97up-list-digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 093



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In this issue:

RE: Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change II
FTE 97up - It Finally Arrived!!!!
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question
FTE 97up - Fan Supply power
Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)
Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question
Re: FTE 97up - V8 vs V10 Gas Milage (Tires) -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question
Re: FTE 97up - F250 PSD Ready to buy please Help.
Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets
RE: FTE 97up - Quick Question
Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question
Re: FTE 97up - It Finally Arrived!!!!
FTE 97up - pre wireings FoMoCo.
RE: FTE 97up - Quick Question
Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question
Re: FTE 97up - F250 PSD Ready to buy please Help.
Re: FTE 97up - Torque converter noise
RE: FTE 97up - V8 vs V10 Gas Milage (Tires) -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Re: V8 vs V10 mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
FTE 97up - Door Gaskets Not Solved
Re: FTE 97up - pre wireings FoMoCo.
FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes
FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question
FTE 97up - Catalytic converter
Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)
Re: FTE 97up - Fan Supply power
RE: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question
Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)
Re: FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes
Re: FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes
Re: FTE 97up - TBS
FTE 97up - Re: '99 PSD ticking
Re: FTE 97up - Fog light switch

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:30:26 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets

Could someone please post the part numbers?

Thanks,

George


1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

- -----Original Message-----
From: RAY WRIGHT [mailto:tworites home.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 8:02 AM
To: 97
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets


My brother in law did'nt get the door gaskets on his new crew
cab,he also has factory steps,went to dealer and they ordered
them for him,at no charge.
Ray Wright
tworites home.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:20:10 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change II

The "plan" vehicle prices are for Ford employees and their familys.
Sometimes this gets extended to companies that suply parts for Ford. Right
now on certain vehicles Ford is allowing Dana, Alcoa and other companies
employees have these prices. The way it works is Ford has a price set and
that is all the customer pays. Then Ford gives us a profit (I can't
remember how much, but often better than a normal sale). Unfortunately
there is no way I know of to get these prices except to get hired by Ford.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- ----- Original Message -----
From: C. K. Hartline
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change II


> Ok Nathan,
> What are the 'plan' vehicles? Obviously cheaper than invoice, but
based
> on what? I'd be interested in hearing what this is. Also to everyone on
> the list, could we occasionally write out our acronyms? Like what is a
TSB?
> Some of us are not as 'knowledgeable as others...just every now and then
> remember to put the actual terms in parenthesis for those of us still
> uninformed...
>
> Thanks,
> C.K.
>
> Oh and by the way, where are you located? Perhaps I should consider
buying
> my new truck from you...since you seem to be a cut above most Dealers I've
> seen.
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:05:16 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - It Finally Arrived!!!!

Finally, after almost 5 months of waiting, my F250SD arrived! It was
about time.

Anyway, I have not had much of a chance to drive it yet, but a few
comments:


To me, the V10 gives the illusion of being kind of wimpy. Not so much to
the extent of actual power, but I think the sound of the engine does this.

I was very concerned about the truck fitting in my 7' tall garage door,
but it cleared by about 6" (stock)
As with some of the rest of you, the dealer did not remove the spring
spacers and corresponding electrical tape on the front leafs. There were
also rubber bands wrapped around the brake lines on both sides of the
front. The dealer should have removed this stuff.

Of course, since a stock truck is not acceptable for me, I installed
the 2" Superlift this weekend. It was quite easy to install this lift,
although it definately requires 2 people. The directions with the
Superlift are very detailed any quite easy to follow. The only thing that
the instructions do not mention is the fact that you must recenter your
steering wheel when you finish, although that was only a 3 minute task. I
think the total install time was about 2 1/2 hours. No noticeable
difference in handling with the lift vs. without.


I also decided to go with a bigger tire than I originally planned. I had
been thinking that the 295/75R16 BF Boodrich would be a good fit, but I
saw a SD with the Trailmaster lift and 295s last week, and the tire looked
way too small. So, I changed my mind. I ordered 35x12.50 BFG Mud
Terrains on American Eagle 589 rims(16.5x8.5). I was a little leary about
the American Eagle rims, but found out that a couple of my buddies have
these and have had good luck with them. I also only plan on running these
tires/rims in the spring/summer/fall and swapping back to the stock ones for
the winter, so I would expect they will hold up just fine. The load
rating is 3450lbs per wheel if anyone is interested. That should be
plenty, especially since I usually haul air around anyway!


Mike Strukel

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:21:34 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

Farm&Fleet in northern Illinois sells the Fram oil filter equivalent to the
Motorcraft
FL-1995, for $8.09.

Roger J Hutflesz wrote:

> Hi Nathan,
>
> Bell Ford in Phoenix charged me ...
>
> Filter $18.96

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:28:53 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question

Mine came rust free, bright and shinny.

Charles.

Keith Veren wrote:

> Did your truck's front axle (axle tubes and pumpkin) and front hubs/rotors
> (backside) come from the factory rust and/or cheaply painted which then
> quick became rust???

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:38:22 -0600
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fan Supply power

I agree with the warning labels, but differ about the wiring.

I think that most cars that arrive from the factory have the fan on a
circuit that is Hot at all times. My cars have never had a problem of the
battery running dead.

You will note that the under hood temperatures will rise on a hot summer
day. After shutting down an engine the fan must be allowed to run to cool
the engine compartment. You may experiencing starting problems with high
under hood temps. My Electric fans on my vehicles never ran more than 3 to
5 minutes after engine shutdown. I personally would wire the electric fan
to a Hot at all times circuit. If you find it running too long than the
thermostat is set at the wrong temp.

my 2 cents.

Scott.
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I would strongly suggest that you put warning labels all
over the Fan Shroud advising mechanics or anybody for that
matter that the fan could come on at any moment.
I would also suggest you wire it to a circuit that is hot
in RUN only. This will prevent the fan from running with
the engine off.
I would lastly suggest that you check with someone in the
know to find out at what temperature your fan should turn on
and off at. If it turns on too low you might not get up to
proper operating temp, too high and you could boil over. If
it turns off tool low it could run all the time reducing fan
motor life, too high and you could cook your engine if you
turn it off too hot.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:42:15 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)

On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:49:06 -0700, you wrote:


:I was going to let the engine idle until I see the temp just start to =
rise
:above normal. (I've been watching the temp gauge for the last few weeks=
so
:I know where it sits when the engine is warmed up.) Then I'll lower the
:temp control just enough to start the fan. I've got a three-position
:switch on the dash so I can manually control the fan if I need to. I'll=
be
:keeping a close watch on the temp gauge for the next few days (and =
through
:summer, if it ever gets here) to make sure all is well.
:
:Thanks for the suggestions,
:
:Danny
=46or what it's worth..... My old car with the electric cooling
fan would not turn the fan on until the temp gauge was quite near
the top end of the "normal" range. When I had to sit in line
somewhere, in the summer, it would always creep up to near the
top end of the normal range, then the fan would come on until it
cooled down to a point about midway in the range.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:44:06 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question

When the dealer's mechanic was cleaning the overflow of brake fluid from
my driver's side wheel well, they removed patches of that mystery coating
from the frame. I later went and bought a can of rubberized under coating
and touched-up the bare spots. But its not the same stuff. I think the factory
coating has paraffin (wax) in it. Anyone know for sure what's in this stuff?

> The frame was about the only
> part that had a good coat of paint from the factory but it is more like
> an undercoating (stayed tacky for quite some time) and loves to collect
> dirt, may have to deal with it in the future.
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:06:21 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V8 vs V10 Gas Milage (Tires) -Reply

What does changing the pulleys accomplish? And what pulleys are you
>talking about? I have never heard of that.

changing to a smaller drive pulley and lighter aluminum accessorie pullyeys has two effects. first by using lighter
aluminum pulleys it saves some weight the engine must turn. Second it allows the accessories to turn slower and
use less energy. Agreeably, these are only minor savings but this is a popular mod in high reving engines used for
drags or racing. The V-10 seems to work well at 3000 to 6000 rpm and if you run there a lot you might get a marginal
increase in power and mileage. My guess is that it wouldnt be worth the money but it would work.


George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:00:07 -0400
From: "jim schang"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question

Jeff: I also have a pre 12/7/98 Super Duty and of course would like to
eliminate the catalytic converter. Unfortunately I missed the discussion
about the elimination of the catalytic converter. Wonder if you could fill
me in. If you know, why did Ford include it in the earlier models and then
decide to eliminate it later etc.? What are the emission implications in a
emission control state like Florida?

Thanks

jim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Schapker
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:30 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question
>
>
>
>
> Nathan,
> Scott Matus and I are trying to change are intermediate pipe and was
> wondering if you could help. We both have 172" WB built before
> 12/07/98 and
> wanted to change the intermediate pipe to one built after 12/07/98. I am


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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:00:38 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 PSD Ready to buy please Help.

John,

Lots of people on this list - including myself, have done much better $1500.
And I'm sure you'll get lots of feedback to that effect. I paid $200 over in
Illinois. Also, turn-around on new Super Duty's seems to be getting faster.
Being a Lariat (like mine), may be your only gate. About the trans - go for the
automatic, 90% of all trucks sold are auto's, which should tell you something.


Ford4x4 aol.com wrote:

> I am ready to order a 2000 F250, SD Extra Cab, Lariat, 4x4, Power
> Stroke, 6spd, long box, I don't have a trade so it's going to be a straight
> forward purchase. I have all my options selected. The only option I ponder
> over is my choice of transmission. I've talked to one dealer in the Southern
> Oregon area. He said I'd have to wait a few months for the 2000 prices and
> particulars. He gave me a price of about $1500 over invoice on a 1999 and
> about a 2-3 month delivery time. If I wanted one I'd have to order it
> straight away.
>

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:06:50 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - door gaskets

Mine has running boards and came without door gaskets. However, my dealer
did not question me and ordered them immediately under warranty.


> The dealer "assumes" that the gaskets are not necesssary if the running boards are on the truck. Any truth
> > to this???
> >
> > George Croll
> > EPA-OAR-ARD
> > (202)564-0162
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:22:05 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Quick Question

When I see surface rust underneath my vehicles, I keep a close eye on it.
If it seems to be getting worse, I scrape it off. I then paint it with a
Rustoleum primer, followed by a coat of Rustoleum paint (usually black).
After a couple of months, I go back and put wax on it. I can't remember
what the name brand is, but it's a type of wax recommended for outdoor
furniture. I imagine any paste wax would do. If I'm too busy to do all
that, I just put some cheap car wax on the rusty spot as a temporary
band-aid.

Having said all this, I wouldn't worry too much about a little surface rust.
I've seen carbon-steel valves on offshore platforms that have been rusting
for ten years or more and still operate.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 9:44 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question


When the dealer's mechanic was cleaning the overflow of brake fluid from
my driver's side wheel well, they removed patches of that mystery coating
from the frame. I later went and bought a can of rubberized under coating
and touched-up the bare spots. But its not the same stuff. I think the
factory
coating has paraffin (wax) in it. Anyone know for sure what's in this stuff?

> The frame was about the only
> part that had a good coat of paint from the factory but it is more like
> an undercoating (stayed tacky for quite some time) and loves to collect
> dirt, may have to deal with it in the future.
> Kent
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:40:19 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question

Try Hammerite rust proofing paints. This stuff is the hardest I've seen,
actually
has small glass beads in it. Can be painted directly over light surface rust to
stop
the oxidizing. Available in spray can and quart cans for brushing on. They have
a
high temperature black too. Buy it at Ace hardware.

George Rigney wrote:

> I then paint it with a
> Rustoleum primer, followed by a coat of Rustoleum paint (usually black).

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:42:32 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - It Finally Arrived!!!!

Welcome aboard!

Charles.

"Strukel, Mike" wrote:

> Finally, after almost 5 months of waiting, my F250SD arrived! It was
> about time.
>

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:50:39 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - pre wireings FoMoCo.

Can any one explain all the leads around master cyliner area and two
connectors on underside with no connection, is this suppose to be for
accessories wireing or what the deal, i was jsut wondering after i was
underneather waiting for oil to drain.

TIA
Ross Smith
99F250 PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:22 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Quick Question

Glass beads, huh? Sounds great! I will definitely try the stuff next time.
Thank you very much for an excellent suggestion.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:40 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question


Try Hammerite rust proofing paints. This stuff is the hardest I've seen,
actually
has small glass beads in it. Can be painted directly over light surface rust
to
stop
the oxidizing. Available in spray can and quart cans for brushing on. They
have
a
high temperature black too. Buy it at Ace hardware.

George Rigney wrote:

> I then paint it with a
> Rustoleum primer, followed by a coat of Rustoleum paint (usually black).

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:32:09 -0600
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question

There is another excellent paint for rusty and rust preventitive outside use. It is
called IronClad--.

I once had something welded and the welder asked, "what in the world is that
paint, it doesn't even come off very easily with the welding torch on it. Most
paint comes right off when I put the torch to it."

Charles Abraham wrote:

> Try Hammerite rust proofing paints. This stuff is the hardest I've seen,
> actually
> has small glass beads in it. Can be painted directly over light surface rust to
> stop
> the oxidizing. Available in spray can and quart cans for brushing on. They have
> a
> high temperature black too. Buy it at Ace hardware.
>
> George Rigney wrote:
>
> > I then paint it with a
> > Rustoleum primer, followed by a coat of Rustoleum paint (usually black).
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:44:49 -0500
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 PSD Ready to buy please Help.

John,

You owe it to yourself to give http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://forddirect.com a shot. They have
dealers located across the country dedicated to giving straight quotes and
delivery times. I'm not sure if they have an Oregon dealer but they can
probably get close.

>> I am ready to order a 2000 F250, SD Extra Cab, Lariat, 4x4, Power
>> Stroke, 6spd, long box, I don't have a trade so it's going to be a
straight
>> forward purchase. I have all my options selected. The only option I
ponder
>> over is my choice of transmission. I've talked to one dealer in the
Southern
>> Oregon area. He said I'd have to wait a few months for the 2000 prices
and
>> particulars. He gave me a price of about $1500 over invoice on a 1999
and
>> about a 2-3 month delivery time. If I wanted one I'd have to order it
>> straight away.
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:10:00 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Torque converter noise

The one I was refering to was TSB 99-3-5 that replaces the torque converter.
Another TSB (98-20-9) covers rattling noises in Park or Neutral on Super
Duty's with 4R100, Power Stroke that were built before 6/11/99

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: John E. Nichols
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 9:34 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Torque converter noise


> Nathan,
>
> I read in a recent post where you described a torque converter noise
> that some
> owners had experienced. Is there a TSB out for this and what type of
> noise is it.
> You may remember my noise problem that sounds like a power steering pump
>
> noise but doesn't change when I turn the wheel. Also could the old air
> box design
> be causing the noise. I have been running the truck with out the fan
> all winter
> but that was not causing the noise. My truck was one of the first built
> around
> january 98 and is a PSD CC AT 4x4. Any insight would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:06:13 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - V8 vs V10 Gas Milage (Tires) -Reply

The V-10 seems to work well at 3000 to 6000
> rpm and if you run there a lot you might get a marginal
> increase in power and mileage. My guess is that it wouldnt
> be worth the money but it would work.
>

of course, simply reducing your overall RPM to 2500-5500 would yeild a much
greater reduction in gas consuption, and it would be free. usually "power
pulleys" are used for performance cars where fuel economy is not a concern.

the downside of power pulleys is that your battery will not charge as fast,
your AC will not get as cold, and your power steering will not be as easy to
use..

I used power pulleys on my 'Vette, and yeilded about 3/10 of a second ET in
the Quarter, and about 7-8 rear wheel horsepower increase.

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:23:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: V8 vs V10 mileage

>
> Harald is pretty much on the mark. Wider tires will have a tendancy to
> hydroplane in wet, everything else being the same. Some of that can be
> eliminated with tread design, allowing the water to migrate out from under
> the tread area.
>
> There was a lot of hoopla a few years back with the Goodyear Aquatread.
> Basically, it did work pretty well. Goodyear did actually do better that just
> an ad campaign. It was a good wet weather tire although they also apparantly
> had a fairly sticky tread compound as well..

I bought the Aquatread's for my ex-truck, and they worked excellently in
rain -- the difference between stopping, and hydroplaning through an inter-
section.



- --
Douglas R. Floyd | Mirror Mirror on the wall
| True hope lies beyond the coast
Disclaimer: | You're a damned kind can't you see
I speak for myself, not IBM. | That tomorrow bears insanity -- Blind Guardian
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:48:08 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets

I'm going to do a little more reaserch on this I'll try and get some
information to you in a day or two. What style truck to you have? (regular,
super or crew)

Nathan Bernard

- ----- Original Message -----
From: George Rigney
To:
Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Door gaskets


> Nathan,
>
> My wife's F250 SD is missing the door gaskets. Can you post the part
> number, please? Also, is that a free fix? By the way, it's a 2x4.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
> 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
> 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
> 1999 F250 SD CC V10
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut adiis.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:30 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
>
>
> There is only one plant that makes F-350's (Kentucky Truck Plant KTP). I
> don't know why some of the trucks don't have the gaskets. I've had a few
> F-150's with this problem, but its easy to fix.
>
> Nathan Bernard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jaeger & Daly & College Planners Inc.
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
>
>
> > I wonder if all of these trucks with the missing gaskets are comming
from
> > one manufacturing plant? I am about to order my F-350 and I think that
I
> > can request a truck from a specified manufacturing plant... not sure...
> > Anyone know the truth.
> > Harold in the Chicago Area.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: GEORGE CROLL
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:20 PM
> > Subject: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
> >
> >
> > > My 99 does not have any gaskets on the door other than the rubber seal
> on
> > the cab. What is this door gasket and
> > > where does it go. Does it attach to the bottom of the door so mud
does
> > not get on the inside of the door below the
> > > cab seal. I get a lot of crap there. I also removed the factory
steps
> > because they did'nt suite my taste. They are for
> > > sale if someone wants to make me an offer. They seemed pretty steep
in
> > the catalog from ford.
> > >
> > > thanks for the tip on the door gaskets, I had no idea until reading
the
> > list.
> > >
> > >
> > > George Croll
> > > EPA-OAR-ARD
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:55:35 -0400
From: "Jerry Thomas"
Subject: FTE 97up - Door Gaskets Not Solved

I have been following the threads on the door gaskets. Just today it was
announced that the correlation seems to be that the trucks with factory
running boards don't get the gaskets. Unfortunately that is not the case
with my truck. A 1999 F-250/Lariat/SC/SB/V-10/2X4. It has the gaskets. I
did order the truck early last year - before they were publically
introduced - and took delivery in April 1998.

It could be Ford found a way to cut costs. From the sounds of things an
unacceptable way!

My cab has a very accepatable noise level.

The truck has been outstanding so far. I use it primarily to pull a 5500#
travel trailer (with ease). I get 14-15 mpg empty(highway) and 10-11 mpg
towing. It has the 4.30LS axle so it"s towing capacity is much greater than
I am currently hauling. It is a pleasure to tow with reserve power versus
the 302 engine I have had in my last two F-150's. Only 7000 miles so far -
so still a pup!

Jerry Thomas
Rochester, New York


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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:58:18 -0400
From: "Bill Wood"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - pre wireings FoMoCo.

The 4 wires by the master cylinder are for Aux Equipment.
Remove the panel under the steering colum and you will
find the other end of them. May be used for Meyers
snowplow or aux lighting control. The other wires, if near
the wheel wells may be for front ABS . If near transmisssion
may be for PTO option.
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:50 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - pre wireings FoMoCo.


> Can any one explain all the leads around master cyliner area and two
> connectors on underside with no connection, is this suppose to be for
> accessories wireing or what the deal, i was jsut wondering after i was
> underneather waiting for oil to drain.
>
> TIA
> Ross Smith
> 99F250 PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:58:54 PDT
From: "P. E."
Subject: FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes

Would someone please be kind enough to post the trouble indications
listed by the following codes?
KOEO-P1111, Continuous-P0303, P0304, Running-P1111
Thanks for your time.

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:11:27 -0700
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 5.4L V8 rough idle question

Does anybody out there that has a 1997-98 F-150 with the 5.4L V8 w auto
trans. have a problem with the truck idleing rough? I am currently in a
battle with my dealer about the excessive surging that goes on in my engine.
They claim that the rough idle is a "characteristic" of the 5.4L V8. I
don't buy it, but I need proof before going any further.

Thanks in advance,
Jose Pomposo

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:11:55 EDT
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Catalytic converter

Hi Everybody,
Just got my 97 f-150 SC XL 4.2L back from the dealer today. The
problem was the check engine light came on over the weekend. (wouldn't bother
me much, but i just got the truck last monday) Anyway, the service tech said
that a bad catalytic converter was the culprit. And of course, they have to
order the parts which is gonna take a week,but it's still driveable. Seems
kinda strange to me because the truck only has 33k miles on it(thank goodness
for warranties!!) Has anyone else had this kind of problem with their truck??
I'm curoius to see if a new Cat will improve power a little bit.

Tom Maciejewski
97 f-150 SC XL 4.2L
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:28:42 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)

>Keep me posted on how it turns out. (You can be the test
>mule) ;-) I might do the same thing to my F-150.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier

Oh joy, I've always wanted to be a mule. :)

I took the commuter bus to work today, so I only drove about 3.5 miles each
way. It is strangely quieter. Sometimes it feels like the engine isn't
running. I took the long way home and the temp never got above normal (and
the fan didn't start). But again, it was only about 50 F today.

You might do the same? When there was first talk of electric fans many
months ago, you sounded like you wouldn't try it.

Could you do me a little favor? Next time you have your hood open (and
your shroud off), would you measure your radiator core. Just the core
dimensions...width, height and thickness. I'm curious if the same radiator
is used for all engines.

Danny
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 03:00:18 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan Supply power

On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:38:22 -0600, you wrote:

:I agree with the warning labels, but differ about the wiring.
:
:I think that most cars that arrive from the factory have the fan on a
:circuit that is Hot at all times. My cars have never had a problem of =
the
:battery running dead.
:
:You will note that the under hood temperatures will rise on a hot summer
:day. After shutting down an engine the fan must be allowed to run to =
cool
:the engine compartment. You may experiencing starting problems with =
high
:under hood temps. My Electric fans on my vehicles never ran more than 3=
to
:5 minutes after engine shutdown. I personally would wire the electric =
fan
:to a Hot at all times circuit. If you find it running too long than the
:thermostat is set at the wrong temp.
:
:my 2 cents.
:
:Scott.
:=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
:
I believe this would be the best way, too. My old car with an
electric fan operated this way, and it never caused a problem.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:02:59 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question

Jim,
Ford de-tuned the 99.5 to meet EPA standards without a catalytic converter.
You can keep the catalytic converter and put it back on if FORD or EPA
complains.
Here's a quote from JBird off the Ford-Diesel.com site.

"Already did it (Don't tell the Feds) and definitely makes the engine
happier Better low-rpm throttle response, faster spool-up. Mileage is up,
but there are too many variables to tell how much (Warmer weather, etc.)
It's not any louder, and can't interfere with the computer. There is no
catalyst monitor system on the diesel, so the PCM doesn't know the
difference. The price may seem a bit high, but the pipe really is top-notch,
real heavy, unlike a lot of the aftermarket stuff. There's quite a few part
numbers, depending on the wheelbase (Get yours off the door jamb before you
come in to order it.) Just ask for the intermediate pipe off a similar model
99 1/2. Took me about a half hour to install, but I work at a dealership and
had access to a hoist and torches. One end bolts to a flange and the other
is a slip fit with a clamp, but still came apart easy after heating a bit.
Of course, this mod is technically illegal, but since the 99 1/2 comes this
way and you get better mileage, morally I suppose it's 'right."
JBird

F-250/350 extension and Catalyst delete pipe
XC3Z 5A212 EA for 142" WB
XC3Z 5A212 BA for 156" WB
XC3Z 5A212 DA for 158" WB
XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" WB
XC3Z 5A212 GA for 176" WB

Jeff


Jeff: I also have a pre 12/7/98 Super Duty and of course would like to
eliminate the catalytic converter. Unfortunately I missed the discussion
about the elimination of the catalytic converter. Wonder if you could fill
me in. If you know, why did Ford include it in the earlier models and then
decide to eliminate it later etc.? What are the emission implications in a
emission control state like Florida?

Thanks

jim




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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:11:54 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - electric fan (was Fan clutch follies Part II)

Danny Gaudenti wrote:
>
> > Keep me posted on how it turns out. (You can be the test
> >mule) ;-) I might do the same thing to my F-150.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jean Marc Chartier
>
> Oh joy, I've always wanted to be a mule. :)
>
> I took the commuter bus to work today, so I only drove about 3.5 miles each
> way. It is strangely quieter. Sometimes it feels like the engine isn't
> running. I took the long way home and the temp never got above normal (and
> the fan didn't start). But again, it was only about 50 F today.
>
> You might do the same? When there was first talk of electric fans many
> months ago, you sounded like you wouldn't try it.
>
> Could you do me a little favor? Next time you have your hood open (and
> your shroud off), would you measure your radiator core. Just the core
> dimensions...width, height and thickness. I'm curious if the same radiator
> is used for all engines.
>
> Danny
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Danny,

When it was first mentioned on the list I admit I was
against using an electric fan. Since then I have heard of a
mustang with a V10. It used an electric fan. If it can
cool a V10 it should be able to cool a V8. An off road
truck spends a lot of time in slow speed situations as does
a truck in traffic, and I am still leery of the fans ability
to cool things under these conditions. As for the rad it
has the same part # in the manual for all three engines.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:42:40 EDT
From: JCBANVILLE aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes

In a message dated 99-04-12 19:11:32 EDT, you write:


listed by the following codes?
KOEO-P1111, Continuous-P0303, P0304, Running-P1111
Thanks for your time. >>

PO303 & PO304 are cylinder no.'s 3 & 4 misfire detected, according to my
HAYNES manual.

JimB
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:14:09 PDT
From: "P. E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes

Thanks for the info. The warranty work receipt stated that the #3&4
coil pack was replaced, along with the plugs. The vehicle runs great,
again.

The original trouble was a rough idle, bad missfire on acceleration,
and bucking/surging at any cruise speed. It took a day before
the "check engine" light came on.
PE


>From: JCBANVILLE aol.com
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '98 Expedition EEC Codes
>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:42:40 EDT
>
>In a message dated 99-04-12 19:11:32 EDT, you write:
>PO303 & PO304 are cylinder no.'s 3 & 4 misfire detected, according
to my
>HAYNES manual.
>
>JimB
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:56:40 -0700
From: William Street
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - TBS

I'd like a copy please.

Thanks

Bill

Gene Ball wrote:

> I will email the TBS directly to anyone who wants it!
> Gene
>
> JPatte5238 aol.com wrote:
>
> > Can anybody give me the TBS for the lowering of the rearend of the superduty.
> > A friend at work is having a hard time to get the dealerships approval on
> > this. For what I understand, the 4" spacer is removed and a 2" spacer is
> > installed. This includes the change out of the brake lines. (5th wheel
> > towing)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > John Patterson
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:36:06 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: '99 PSD ticking

Well, I brought my truck on today and had the mechanic ride with me. He is
the one who changed the fuel regulator last week and I gave him your note and
he said that they had also changed those check valves as part of the
Regulator TSB.
I took him down the freeway and he said that everything that he was hearing....


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