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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
FTE 97up - Nathan NGS
FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges
[none]
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD
FTE 97up - Re:
Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
FTE 97up - Real Instrumentation Gauges from Ford
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's
Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??
Re: FTE 97up - '99 order deadline
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges
FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD
Re: FTE 97up - K&N availability for SD V10
FTE 97up - Exhaust & warranty....
Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's
RE: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
RE: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Real Instrumentation Gauges from Ford
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150
FTE 97up - Good Dealers and Good Customers
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
FTE 97up - VIN for '99 Superduty
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:14:52 -0600
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors

I am also very interested in replacing the mirrors on my 99 F-250 PSD. I
find them very difficult to properly adjust, and they don't give the
coverage that I think I need for towing my 5th wheel travel trailer.

A neighbor recently purchased a 1999 motorhome built around Ford's E350.
The mirrors on that vehicle look similar to those on my F250, but have a
single arm, instead of two. That arm is longer, and just the right length
to give good coverage. They may be aftermarket mirrors available only to
the motorhome manufacturer; the RV dealer has no information on them.

My dealer also doesn't know anything about these mirrors. Does anyone here
know how to get them, and if they will fit the existing holes on the F-250
PSD's?


>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:26:42 EST
>From: JPatte5238 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
>
>I recently damaged my tow mirror on my superduty. The front plastic cover
for
>the mirror has cracked off, but that's not the bad news, the bad news is
that
>there is no replacement part for that mirror. Only the mirror assembly is
>replaceable for a small sum of $150.00. Is this my only option for
repairing?
>I was waiting to replace the mirrors that slide in when not is use, but I
>can't run around with broken plastic on the mirror, very tacky. Does
anybody
>have any updates on the newer type of mirrors, either an after-market or
from
>Ford? One more thing, front grill cover for the winter months (PSD), any
>information on where to purchase one?
>
>Thank you
>
>John Patterson

>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:53:09 -0600 (CST)
>From: "Joseph L. Casey"
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
>
>I am very interested in your situation. I ALMOST busted my driver mirror
off
>today. But, there appears to be no visible damage. Keep me (and others)
>up-to-date with your searching. If you can put it on yourself, someone--a
>ford mechanic, for example--might be able to get one for you for 20-40%
off.


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:12:31 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS

We had our NGS tester plugged into a Super

What does a NGS tester cost, and where can I get one


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:58:22 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges

I extremely disappointed to hear that the gauges on my new F350 PSD are not
'Real' gauges. I was a German import auto owner before buying my new
truck(a lifestyle change). All of my imports had true analog gauges usually
VDO brand. On every vehicle I owned I installed the gauges that the dash
was lacking. It was usually an oil temp, vacuum/boost, oil pressure or a
voltmeter. I perform all of the maintenance on my vehicle myself and will
not take possession of a vehicle without a shop manual. Sometimes I had the
manual before I had the vehicle, this was the case with my F350 - it took 7
months to arrive.

I rely on the gauges to identify ANY problems that may arrive. I am
accustomed to seeing a free moving non-damped analog gauge. To hear that
the Oil pressure gauge is an "idiot" gauge outrages me. You can bet that if
there are changes that can be made to make these gauges more "analog like",
I will make these mods (Nathan any help here?). If that is not possible,
I'll replace the entire gauge cluster with a good quality analog gauge
package.

I have not driven the truck since I took delivery in October. I am
installing other mods that I deem essential for a vehicle that I will be
keeping 20 years. I will not drive the vehicle until I have all of these
mods inplace and tested. So, I do not have any experience with the factory
gauge cluster.

I would appreciate receiving e-mail from anyone that has opinions about this
matter. I will compile all of the information and study if there are any
work arounds to correct this issue. If anyone wants to hear of my progress
send me an e-mail to that effect.

Scott Matus

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:08:25 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: [none]

Tell us more about the specifics. Symptoms, sounds, vibrations, smells?
Also what is the configuration of your truck - manual/auto trans.

Scott.
___________________________

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:57:23 EST
From:
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD

Hello everyone,
My 99 PSD F-350 4x4 died and had to be towed in. Dealer is replacing tranny
and possibly the brain also, at 7000miles! says there are 2 others there
with
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:11:43 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD

Wow! Did anything unusual happen before the vehicle "death"? Also, when
your mechanic referred to 2 others with the same problem, was he referring
to the new '99 SuperDuty F-350s in general (I have the V-10 in my '99
SuperDuty F-350) or just the PowerStroke Diesel versions?

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Budup13 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:59 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD


>Hello everyone,
>My 99 PSD F-350 4x4 died and had to be towed in. Dealer is replacing
tranny
>and possibly the brain also, at 7000miles! says there are 2 others there
with
>same problems. Anyone else hear of this happening?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:11:53 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:

Wasn't there talk here awhile back of a "hold" placed by Ford on all orders for
PSDs with auto?

Charles.

Matus, Scott A wrote:

> Tell us more about the specifics. Symptoms, sounds, vibrations, smells?
> Also what is the configuration of your truck - manual/auto trans.
>
> Scott.
> ___________________________
>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:57:23 EST
> From:
> Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD
>
> Hello everyone,
> My 99 PSD F-350 4x4 died and had to be towed in. Dealer is replacing tranny
> and possibly the brain also, at 7000miles! says there are 2 others there
> with
> same problems. Anyone else hear of this happening?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:22:16 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors

Ford is coming out with telescoping tow mirrors? That would be great
news if they did! I wonder if they could be retro-fitted to replace the
standard power mirrors I ordered?

The only reason I didn't order the tow mirrors on my F250 SD to begin
with is that they weren't retractable. I wanted them - but I also wanted to
be able to park in my garage. Sticking out as they do they would be in
harms way - not to mention my head.

Charles.


Joseph L. Casey wrote:

> I am very interested in your situation. I ALMOST busted my driver mirror off
> today. But, there appears to be no visible damage. Keep me (and others)
> up-to-date with your searching. If you can put it on yourself, someone--a
> ford mechanic, for example--might be able to get one for you for 20-40% off.
>
> At 08:26 PM 1/12/99 EST, you wrote:
> >I recently damaged my tow mirror on my superduty. The front plastic cover for
> >the mirror has cracked off, but that's not the bad news, the bad news is that
> >there is no replacement part for that mirror. Only the mirror assembly is
> >replaceable for a small sum of $150.00. Is this my only option for repairing?
> >I was waiting to replace the mirrors that slide in when not is use, but I
> >can't run around with broken plastic on the mirror, very tacky. Does anybody
> >have any updates on the newer type of mirrors, either an after-market or from
> >Ford? One more thing, front grill cover for the winter months (PSD), any
> >information on where to purchase one?
> >
> >Thank you
> >
> >John Patterson
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> >
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:58:32 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Real Instrumentation Gauges from Ford

Scott, I am the same way (except I drive my '98 5.4L Expedition 4X4 and '99
F-350 V-10 4X4 SuperDuty while upgrading various systems), especially with
regards to the Workshop Manuals. I hope Ford will listen to people like us
and at least OFFER those of us that want full analog instrumentation gauges
the OPTION to purchase them, even if for more money. I think ford will find
over 50% of the purchasers of their vehicles (at least trucks) will opt for
upgraded gauges (if the price is reasonable).

Keith

PS, I am posting this to the Expedition group also because I believe the
more people outraged by the "fake" oil pressure gauge, the more chance of
having Ford do something about it. Tim A., can you help inform Ford about
this? Could you get their position about offering an instrument package
upgrade as an option? Thanks.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matus, Scott A
To: 'unionaut adiis.net'
Cc: 'F 97 - New'
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges


>I extremely disappointed to hear that the gauges on my new F350 PSD are not
>'Real' gauges. I was a German import auto owner before buying my new
>truck(a lifestyle change). All of my imports had true analog gauges
usually
>VDO brand. On every vehicle I owned I installed the gauges that the dash
>was lacking. It was usually an oil temp, vacuum/boost, oil pressure or a
>voltmeter. I perform all of the maintenance on my vehicle myself and will
>not take possession of a vehicle without a shop manual. Sometimes I had the
>manual before I had the vehicle, this was the case with my F350 - it took 7
>months to arrive.
>
>I rely on the gauges to identify ANY problems that may arrive. I am
>accustomed to seeing a free moving non-damped analog gauge. To hear that
>the Oil pressure gauge is an "idiot" gauge outrages me. You can bet that
if
>there are changes that can be made to make these gauges more "analog like",
>I will make these mods (Nathan any help here?). If that is not possible,
>I'll replace the entire gauge cluster with a good quality analog gauge
>package.
>
>I have not driven the truck since I took delivery in October. I am
>installing other mods that I deem essential for a vehicle that I will be
>keeping 20 years. I will not drive the vehicle until I have all of these
>mods inplace and tested. So, I do not have any experience with the factory
>gauge cluster.
>
>I would appreciate receiving e-mail from anyone that has opinions about
this
>matter. I will compile all of the information and study if there are any
>work arounds to correct this issue. If anyone wants to hear of my progress
>send me an e-mail to that effect.
>
>Scott Matus
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:14:37 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

I still have yet to experience one of these vehicles with the piston slap.
On the engines I've built and used forged pistons you get a small knock at
start-up. This is due to the fact that forged pistons expand more than
normal pistons, so at a cold start they have a loose fit causing them to
knock. Is this what is happening?

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kent Tombs
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:18 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!


>My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
>pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
>because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
>was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
>few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
>explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
>the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
>noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
>Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
>has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
>performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:20:58 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's

You need to go to the dealer where your going to have it serviced and ask
them. If a truck comes in here with a plow it gets the same warranty
coverage as any other truck. The only exceptions are if something on the
plow damages the truck. For example if it had an electrical problem and
burned up the truck wiring (never has happened but the best example I could
think of). Also If you ABUSE the truck and were to knock out transmissions,
After 2 you can bet it's not the trucks fault (I have seen this, the rigors
of fwd to reverse shifts while still moving are very very detrimental to
transmission life).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Schrager
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:09 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's


>I'm new to the list. Hope someone can answer this one a little better
>than Ford. I have a 99SD Crew Cab Turbo Deisel 4x4 and they say if I put
>any plow on it kiss my warranty goodby. I've had two answers, both
>different. One too much weight for the front axel. The second was it
>would bend the frame. From watching the list there seems to be some good
>advice out there. Hope someone can help, else I got an option I don't
>really need.
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:36:37 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??

The K&N is a very good air filter and shouldn't void engine warranty. What
it could void is the Mass air flow sensor Warranty. The problem is that if
a drop of oil were to come out of the filter (Would only happen if you over
oiled it on a cleaning) and that drop of oil landed right on the small
sensor it would ruin the MAF sensor. The odds of this happening are pretty
slim, and I run this on just about every vehicle I've owned. The exception
is my 1997 Taurus LX. The MAF is directly infront of the filter on the DOHC
V-6 so I can see it causing problems. Ford apparently feels the same way
because this is about the only thing I've seen with a warning on the air box
not to run oil type filters.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Tom Spangler
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 4:42 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??


>>Since my 4.6L V8 is performing so poorly (11 MPG at best) I'm ready to try
>>almost anything the improve the engine. The only reason I don't get a K&N
>>air kit is that the Ford dealer said it voids the warranty. He said
something
>>about oil contamination from the K&N can hurt the airflow sensor and the
>>engine, so Ford wouldn't warranty the engine any more.
>>
>>I have recently seen several threads about this here, as well as on the
Ford
>>newsgroup. It seems that the end of the story is that Ford will void your
>>warranty if they find out you have a K&N, while people here say there
usually
>>aren't any problems unless you don't know what you're doing (and I
don't -- I
>>don't even know why people oil their air filters). Of course Ford has to
>prove
>>that the filter damaged your engine, but who has the time and money to
fight
>>that if they refuse to honor your warranty?
>>
>>I don't know what to do about installing a K&N because Ford thinks they
are
>>bad,
>>yet all of the Ford enthusiasts here seem to be using them without
problems.
>>So my present course of action is not to get one, as much as I'd like to,
>>until
>>I get more facts.
>>
>
>Your dealer told you that? Sounds like a load of crap to me. I've
>installed K&N air filters in every vehicle I've owned for the past 6-7
>years, and I've taken them to the dealer for warranty service and they
>(Brighton Ford and Varsity Ford) have never said anything about it. This
>includes a 93 Taurus SHO (lemon that went back to the dealer at least 10
>times), a 95 Mustang GT, and a 94 Ranger STX 4x4. And I always put those
>little "Stop-vehicle equipped with a non-disposable air filter" stickers on
>so Joe Mechanic doesn't throw it out to put in a Fram or something. So
>they *knew* that I had K&Ns installed. It's just an air filter, after all.
> What's next? Your warranty is void if you install Bosch spark plugs
>instead of Motorcraft? Bah, they'd never make it stick if you challenged
>them.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:30:42 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 order deadline

They should be announcing when "build out" is going to be in a month to two
months, so check back then.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: John H. Bethea, P.E.
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:15 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 order deadline


>I intend to order a '99 4x4 SC this Spring. Does anybody know when Ford
>stops accepting orders for the '99s? Finances prevent me from ordering
>right now, but I don't think I can wait until Fall '99 for the '00
>models..........unless somebody knows of design changes worth waiting for.
>
>John
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:29:42 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS

Ford sells the NGS tester through their Rotunda dealership tools department.
I'd guess that they are several thousand dollars. You might check with your
Mac-tools or Snap-on tool dealer and they might be able to get you something
similar for much less money.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS


>
>We had our NGS tester plugged into a Super
>
>What does a NGS tester cost, and where can I get one
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:53:24 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges

The reason they put the "idiot gauges" on almost every vehicle any more is
because of people getting overly nervous by gauges fluctuating. We used to
get complaints all the time about oil pressure being "different than it was
when it was new" despite the fact that this was actually caused by a change
in temperature. As for changing the gauges over, I don't know who to talk
to. I'd try to contact Auto meter or VDO and see if they have any
suggestions. One thing, though, the PCM (powertrain control module) keeps
tabs on every bit of information (including oil press, engine temp, trans
temp, vacuum and about any other bit of information you could imagine, and
if it sees a problem it will turn on one of the idiot lights. It can also
do other things, like if the engine is getting hot it will turn of the A/C
to help alleviate the problem. If someone made a tool (like Ford's tester)
that could get this information out and display it on a LCD display this
would be the best solution. I don't know if anyone makes any scanners that
will display this information, though.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matus, Scott A
To: 'unionaut adiis.net'
Cc: 'F 97 - New'
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges


>I extremely disappointed to hear that the gauges on my new F350 PSD are not
>'Real' gauges. I was a German import auto owner before buying my new
>truck(a lifestyle change). All of my imports had true analog gauges
usually
>VDO brand. On every vehicle I owned I installed the gauges that the dash
>was lacking. It was usually an oil temp, vacuum/boost, oil pressure or a
>voltmeter. I perform all of the maintenance on my vehicle myself and will
>not take possession of a vehicle without a shop manual. Sometimes I had the
>manual before I had the vehicle, this was the case with my F350 - it took 7
>months to arrive.
>
>I rely on the gauges to identify ANY problems that may arrive. I am
>accustomed to seeing a free moving non-damped analog gauge. To hear that
>the Oil pressure gauge is an "idiot" gauge outrages me. You can bet that
if
>there are changes that can be made to make these gauges more "analog like",
>I will make these mods (Nathan any help here?). If that is not possible,
>I'll replace the entire gauge cluster with a good quality analog gauge
>package.
>
>I have not driven the truck since I took delivery in October. I am
>installing other mods that I deem essential for a vehicle that I will be
>keeping 20 years. I will not drive the vehicle until I have all of these
>mods inplace and tested. So, I do not have any experience with the factory
>gauge cluster.
>
>I would appreciate receiving e-mail from anyone that has opinions about
this
>matter. I will compile all of the information and study if there are any
>work arounds to correct this issue. If anyone wants to hear of my progress
>send me an e-mail to that effect.
>
>Scott Matus
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:46:15 -0500
From: millered pb.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

I have put 4000 miles on a 1998 Ford Explorer XLT with a 4.0L SOHC and seem
to only get 15-16 MPG for mostly highway driving. The best I've ever
gotton was 17MPG. This is pretty disappointing since the window sticker
advertised 19MPG on the highway. I've tried removing roof racks and
putting in 89 Octane instead of 87. Nothing has an effect. Is this
normal or is there something wrong? (Engine also pings heavily when you
accelerate hard - the dealer checked it out and said there were no computer
codes indicating a problem)


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:44:49 -0500
From: Alan Schrager
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD

Budup13 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> My 99 PSD F-350 4x4 died and had to be towed in. Dealer is replacing tranny
> and possibly the brain also, at 7000miles! says there are 2 others there with
> same problems. Anyone else hear of this happening?

Mine has been doing weird things not shifting properly. Thought it was
the cold weather. I've got 7K on mine also. Guess I better watch.

Alan
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:23:26 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N availability for SD V10

QUESTION:
Have any of you just purchased a K&N Filter replacement in any other
vehicles, and if so, does it really make a big difference? I have a 99 SD
V-10 and I'm considering a replacement filter, but I've never bought a K&N
before. Also, is a K&N Filter Kit that much better than just the
replacement filter?

- --Brandt


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From: Dick Dorff
To: 97up ; f150
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:39 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N availability for SD V10


>Hoping this hasn't been discussed already...
>
>K&N currently has a filter replacement available for the V10 Super Duty,
>but not the full kit yet. Replacement filter p/n is E0945 with (their)
>price of $50-60. Filter kit is on their request list, and it won't be
>available until late this Summer, at the earliest, based on the current
>number of requests received so far.
>
>Their schedule for kit development for a particular application is
>affected by the perceived demand. Chris in Product Info/Tech. Support
>at K&N said they gladly take requests. So, for anyone else desiring the
>K&N Filter Kit for a V10 Super Duty, or for any other particular
>application not yet supported for that matter, give them a call and be
>counted. K&N: 800-858-3333 or 909-684-9762.
>
>My only vested interest is that hopefully the more requests made, the
>sooner the kit will be available.
>
>Dick Dorff
>'99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 3.73ls TT Hitch
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:27:59 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust & warranty....

I recently had a friend put a new exhaust system and turbo muffler on his
Ford 460 v8. He said it improved his mileage by 1-1.5mpg and he can tell a
definite difference in power. Because of his influence, I am considering
doing the same on my 99 SD v-10. After all of the recent talk about voiding
warranties, I am concerned that by adding a new performance exhaust system,
my warranty will be voided. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:35:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's

Time for some comic relief:

I was told that if you are driving on the highway, and pop the stick in reverse,
that the trans won't shift until you are at a low speed. Of course, this is
something that will always remain a mystery to me, because I do value my
truck's drive train. (This guy is one who spends a ton of cash fixing a
car, then pops his car into park on the highway because he didn't like the
idea of a parking pawl...)

(Same guy who fixed his car so it would start in drive on an auto tranny.)

> After 2 you can bet it's not the trucks fault (I have seen this, the rigors
> of fwd to reverse shifts while still moving are very very detrimental to
> transmission life).
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:59:50 -0800
From: "Kevin Mayer"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges

I also find this very disappointing, as do most visitors to the PSD web
site. I would gladly pay extra for real gauges. I also find the omission of
a turbo boost gauge bothersome.

Kevin
Bear Creek Consulting
Kevin Mayer
phone 425-702-9500
fax 425-702-0421
Web Site Development, Marketing and Hosting
www.bearcreeknet.com



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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:58 AM
To: 'unionaut adiis.net'
Cc: 'F 97 - New'
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges


I extremely disappointed to hear that the gauges on my new F350 PSD are not
'Real' gauges. I was a German import auto owner before buying my new
truck(a lifestyle change). All of my imports had true analog gauges usually
VDO brand. On every vehicle I owned I installed the gauges that the dash
was lacking. It was usually an oil temp, vacuum/boost, oil pressure or a
voltmeter. I perform all of the maintenance on my vehicle myself and will
not take possession of a vehicle without a shop manual. Sometimes I had the
manual before I had the vehicle, this was the case with my F350 - it took 7
months to arrive.

I rely on the gauges to identify ANY problems that may arrive. I am
accustomed to seeing a free moving non-damped analog gauge. To hear that
the Oil pressure gauge is an "idiot" gauge outrages me. You can bet that if
there are changes that can be made to make these gauges more "analog like",
I will make these mods (Nathan any help here?). If that is not possible,
I'll replace the entire gauge cluster with a good quality analog gauge
package.

I have not driven the truck since I took delivery in October. I am
installing other mods that I deem essential for a vehicle that I will be
keeping 20 years. I will not drive the vehicle until I have all of these
mods inplace and tested. So, I do not have any experience with the factory
gauge cluster.

I would appreciate receiving e-mail from anyone that has opinions about this
matter. I will compile all of the information and study if there are any
work arounds to correct this issue. If anyone wants to hear of my progress
send me an e-mail to that effect.

Scott Matus

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:08:14 -0500
From: "PlatinumCrown Incorporated"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges

I've got a 99 SD V-10 4x4 manual. What's this about the oil guage being an
idiot guage only. Are you saying that it doesn't give real oil pressure
readouts? I would be extremely annoyed if that were the case. Say it isn't
so!



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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:29:36 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

Use Mobil 1 5-30 oil. Put the rack back on. Try a tank or two of high-test
to see if the pinging is fuel-related. You will only get the EPA mileage on
most any vehicle if you fill the tank full to the brim, drive a constant 55,
choose an interstate that is level or slightly downhill, have a slight
tailwind, don't turn off the highway till the tank is about gone, don't turn
on the A/C, and say 3 "Hail Marys". Anyway, my wife has the big 5.0L V-8 in
her '98 XLT 4X4 Explorer. She is only getting 11 to 13 MPG, so look on the
bright side! Finally, feel good that gas is so cheap these days, it could
be a lot worse!

Keith



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From: millered pb.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:53 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage


>
>
>I have put 4000 miles on a 1998 Ford Explorer XLT with a 4.0L SOHC and seem
>to only get 15-16 MPG for mostly highway driving. The best I've ever
>gotton was 17MPG. This is pretty disappointing since the window sticker
>advertised 19MPG on the highway. I've tried removing roof racks and
>putting in 89 Octane instead of 87. Nothing has an effect. Is this
>normal or is there something wrong? (Engine also pings heavily when you
>accelerate hard - the dealer checked it out and said there were no computer
>codes indicating a problem)
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:09:43 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges

Sorry, but it is true. I have a '99 F-350 XLT SuperDuty / 4X4 / V-10
SuperCab / Longbed / Automatic
and a '98 Expedition 4X4 / automatic / XLT and they both have idiot oil
gauges (but the other gauges are "real" I am told. Just wait until they
make the fuel gauge an idiot gauge!!


Keith



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From: PlatinumCrown Incorporated
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges


>I've got a 99 SD V-10 4x4 manual. What's this about the oil guage being an
>idiot guage only. Are you saying that it doesn't give real oil pressure
>readouts? I would be extremely annoyed if that were the case. Say it
isn't
>so!
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:35:57 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

Cheap??? I wish it was still 85cents a gallon. Am I the only one who remembers
those days???

Keith Veren wrote:

> Finally, feel good that gas is so cheap these days, it could
> be a lot worse!
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: millered pb.com
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:53 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
>
> >
> >
> >I have put 4000 miles on a 1998 Ford Explorer XLT with a 4.0L SOHC and seem
> >to only get 15-16 MPG for mostly highway driving. The best I've ever
> >gotton was 17MPG. This is pretty disappointing since the window sticker
> >advertised 19MPG on the highway. I've tried removing roof racks and
> >putting in 89 Octane instead of 87. Nothing has an effect. Is this
> >normal or is there something wrong? (Engine also pings heavily when you
> >accelerate hard - the dealer checked it out and said there were no computer
> >codes indicating a problem)
> >
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:29:26 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

I can get gas for 85 cents a gallon here in New Jersey today! Right now,
gas is the cheapest that it has ever been, when price is adjusted for
inflation.


>
>Cheap??? I wish it was still 85cents a gallon. Am I the only one who
remembers
>those days???
>


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:52:33 -0500
From: "Jim & Colleen Long"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

I just filled my beast up at 74.9 a gallon here in Warner Robins, Georgia.

>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:56:42 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

Union Auto wrote:
>
> I still have yet to experience one of these vehicles with the piston slap.
> On the engines I've built and used forged pistons you get a small knock at
> start-up. This is due to the fact that forged pistons expand more than
> normal pistons, so at a cold start they have a loose fit causing them to
> knock. Is this what is happening?
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Tombs
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:18 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
>
> >My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> >pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> >because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> >was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> >few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> >explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> >the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> >noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> >Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> >has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> >performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> >Kent
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Yes the piston slap (Knock) is more noticeable when cold. When you start
the motor you can hear the noise instantly when you rev it, then after
about 1.5-2 min the noise will become less noticeable, but you can
still hear it when fluctuating the revs between 2200-3000 rpm.So I would
have to say yes it is probably related to piston expansion but I find
this to be an odd characteristic of street production vehicle that is
intended for work daily and will consume high mileage and must be
reliable. If Ford feels that these characteristics are fine and they can
guarantee at least 300,000 km then I dont see any problem. This vehicle
is serviced well (Oil & Filter etc) every 2500km,Owner/Operater/Mechanic
with pride in my vehicles.
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:20:34 GMT
From: jerryrei lightspeed.net (Gerald O. Reinen)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:46:15 -0500, you wrote:

>
>
>I have put 4000 miles on a 1998 Ford Explorer XLT with a 4.0L SOHC and =
seem
>to only get 15-16 MPG for mostly highway driving. The best I've ever
>gotton was 17MPG. This is pretty disappointing since the window sticker
>advertised 19MPG on the highway. I've tried removing roof racks and
>putting in 89 Octane instead of 87. Nothing has an effect. Is this
>normal or is there something wrong? (Engine also pings heavily when =
you
>accelerate hard - the dealer checked it out and said there were no =
computer
>codes indicating a problem)
>
>
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We have a 4WD 98 Explorer with the SOHC engine. =20

This fall we took a trip of 4800 miles in the Southwest. Before the
trip we modified the exhaust system and air filter. We changed to a
"Flow Through" type muffler and changed the tail pipe to 2 1/2 inches.
We also changed the air filter to a K&N filter. =20

Our overall mileage was 18.3 MPG. with increased acceleration. This
was with the A/C on most of the time. At that time we didn't fully
understand that the A/C is on for most of the positions on the switch.

Our only complaint is the increased noise. I am now looking for a
different muffler that will deliver increased performance, over the
factory supplied, with less noise. =20

Anyone have recommendations?

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:56:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Real Instrumentation Gauges from Ford

- -snip-
>
>Keith
>
>PS, I am posting this to the Expedition group also because I believe the
>more people outraged by the "fake" oil pressure gauge, the more chance of
>having Ford do something about it. Tim A., can you help inform Ford about
>this? Could you get their position about offering an instrument package
>upgrade as an option? Thanks.

I doubt they will. The people on Fordnatics have complained about
the gauges on various Fords for years.

Ken Payne

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:58:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

At 01:35 PM 1/13/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Cheap??? I wish it was still 85cents a gallon. Am I the only one who
>remembers
>those days???
>

Gas station half a mile down the street is 69 cents. Most around
here are 79 cents.

Ken Payne

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:12:28 -0600
From: Landen Stoker
Subject: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150

I am looking at buying a CAT-Back System for my 98 F150. I am sort of
leaning towards a dual outlet rear exit Gibson. Has anyone had
experience with this model. I have personally heard the little side exit
model they make, and personally I think it sounded a little puny. I
would like to have a nice sound to it, nothing really annoying, but
possibly a nice light rumble at idle increasing under load. I am
assuming there will probably be a significant difference in sound
between the two because the dual rear exit uses larger diameter pipes.
Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Landen Stoker

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:26:51 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150

I had a Gibson dual exit catback on my
95 Dodge Ram 5.2. 4x4. It sounded excellent!
The best I can compare it to is the mid
80's Monte Carlo's with the dual exhaust.
I'm going with the same system on my 99 SD.

Vaughn
99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White






I am looking at buying a CAT-Back System for my 98 F150. I am
sort of leaning towards a dual outlet rear exit Gibson. Has
anyone had experience with this model. I have personally heard
the little side exit model they make, and personally I think it
sounded a little puny. I would like to have a nice sound to it,
nothing really annoying, but possibly a nice light rumble at
idle increasing under load. I am assuming there will probably be
a significant difference in sound between the two because the
dual rear exit uses larger diameter pipes. Any opinions or
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Landen Stoker

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:14:24 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150

I also have a 99 SD w/V-10 and would like a cat-back dual system.
Appearently Gibson only makes a single 3" cat-back (jobber $260), at least
that's what the tech at Gibson said. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for
about $600 (to rich for my blood) and I'm told it's very loud, dual 3"
pipes. If anyone else knows of a dual cat-back for 99 SD V-10, I'd really
like to hear about it.

Mattb
99 SD SC V-10 XLT


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From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150


>
>I had a Gibson dual exit catback on my
>95 Dodge Ram 5.2. 4x4. It sounded excellent!
>The best I can compare it to is the mid
>80's Monte Carlo's with the dual exhaust.
>I'm going with the same system on my 99 SD.
>
>Vaughn
>99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I am looking at buying a CAT-Back System for my 98 F150. I am
>sort of leaning towards a dual outlet rear exit Gibson. Has
>anyone had experience with this model. I have personally heard
>the little side exit model they make, and personally I think it
>sounded a little puny. I would like to have a nice sound to it,
>nothing really annoying, but possibly a nice light rumble at
>idle increasing under load. I am assuming there will probably be
>a significant difference in sound between the two because the
>dual rear exit uses larger diameter pipes. Any opinions or
>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Landen Stoker
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:22:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Kershner
Subject: FTE 97up - Good Dealers and Good Customers

Bud Feuless & Miki Magara wrote:

"For instance, I take every opportunity to let anyone I meet know that
Sterling-McCall is the worst rip-off dealership I have ever been too and
have the worst jerks in their service department I have ever met. On
the
other hand, I have also referred 5 other folks to buy vehicles from Mack
McCormick at Mac Haik Ford, because he is the most professional and
helpful
representative at a good dealership that I have had the pleasure of
meeting."


Bud, I find it interesting that your experience with Houston
dealerships is so completely opposite of mine. I am acquainted with
Sterling McCall and his reputation for integrity and cannot imagine
his operation as being a "rip off dealership". Our son purchased a new
1993 Toyota there and has been pleased with the transaction and
extremely pleased with the service work performed there. I am sorry
you had a bad experience, but if it was only one event, I would urge
you to discuss your complaint with Sterling personally and I feel
confident he would do his best to see you are satisfied.

Mac Haik Ford, on the other hand, was for several years on my "worst
dealership" list as a result of service work (truck dept) that was
sloppy, incomplete, behind schedule and overpriced. After repeated
visits and disappointments, I changed dealerships. In fairness to Mac
Haik, it's been some time since I visited their Ford dealership, so I
don't know if they still deserve that reputation. And, the Mac Haik
C***y dealership always provided us with great service.

One man's pleasure is another man's pain. My $.02 worth...

TK






_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:25:29 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

Come-on, I remember being a kid of 16 and buying gas for $0.30/gallon, but
back then $0.30 was harder to come by than $1.15 is today. Yes, gas is
cheap, cheap cheap. Compare it to times past and factor inflation into the
equation and you will see that today gas really is cheap. Compare it to the
prices in other countries and you will see that what American pay is cheap.
Enjoy it while you can. By the biggest and best vehicle you can find and
enjoy the relatively inexpensive cost to drive it. Believe me, one day in
the future we will all look back to this decade and say "boy, back in the
mid to late 1990's, gas was really cheap".

Keith

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From: Alan Wilson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage


>
>Cheap??? I wish it was still 85cents a gallon. Am I the only one who
remembers
>those days???
>
>Keith Veren wrote:
>
>> Finally, feel good that gas is so cheap these days, it could
>> be a lot worse!
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: millered pb.com
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:53 PM
>> Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >I have put 4000 miles on a 1998 Ford Explorer XLT with a 4.0L SOHC and
seem
>> >to only get 15-16 MPG for mostly highway driving. The best I've ever
>> >gotton was 17MPG. This is pretty disappointing since the window sticker
>> >advertised 19MPG on the highway. I've tried removing roof racks and
>> >putting in 89 Octane instead of 87. Nothing has an effect. Is this
>> >normal or is there something wrong? (Engine also pings heavily when
you
>> >accelerate hard - the dealer checked it out and said there were no
computer
>> >codes indicating a problem)
>> >
>> >
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:45:15 -0700
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - VIN for '99 Superduty

Can anyone decode the following VIN for a '99 Superduty?

1FTNX20FXXEC81464

My dealer tells me this is the VIN for my truck that was manufactured on
November 16th and is sitting in Kansas City awaiting transportation to
final destination. The ETA was 11/30/98. Initially, I was told that the
truck was "in" and would be available for delivery on 12/26/98. While in
transit to take possession, the dealer called on my cell phone and told
me not to come - he made a "mistake" and my truck had not yet arrived -
but assured me (and continues to do so) that it was "on its way". (It's
a 65 mile trip and I was 15 miles away!) Still waiting for truck
I just want to verify that the above VIN actually describes the type of
truck I ordered as I am starting to get concerned that the dealer is not
being totally up front with me and possibly ordered the wrong truck.

Thanks......Norm





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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 02:40:38 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

I can remember when I paid 25 cents a gallon, and I am only 43. Sure is a
broad spectrum of truck owners these days. I am enjoying my 99 F-350 SD,
waited a long time to be able to afford this truck as I am a working man with
4 children. Lucky to have a wife that is now making more than me ( Her
paycheck actually pays for my truck). Now if only I had a bigger
boat....Hmmmmm!
Keep up the great posts and will let everyone know if another injector or if
my TC goes out. Build date of 11/98 with 2200 miles.
Steve Ng the FishNg1
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 02:52:14 EST
From: Budup13 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD

My truck is a 99 F-350 Extended Cab SRW 4x4 PSD Auto trans Woodland Green
symptoms of death
At first I would hear some klang noise, a single klang when putting it into
gear a couple of weeks before it died, this could be or not associated.
On the day it went I drove maybe 2 miles from home in 10 degrees weather and
it began running sluggish and coughing and sputtering. As this is my first
deisel I thought it might be a fuel related problem so I pulled over and let
it idle and this it did well, but when I would try to rev the engine it would
not rev past 2, felt like no power . So I thought I would try to drive it.
Made it about 2 more miles before it lost all power and died. Also while this
was happening the overdrive off light on the shifter was blinking off and on....


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