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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
FTE 97up - Re;Check Engine Light
Re: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge
RE: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.
FTE 97up - cab noises
FTE 97up - fog lights
FTE 97up - Cab noise
FTE 97up - Trans filter
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC, (V-10)
Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck
Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter
Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck
Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter
FTE 97up - The c*mpetition
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck
FTE 97up - Oil Change
RE: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
Re: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition
Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question
FTE 97up - Door gaskets
Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck
FTE 97up - '99 F-350 SuperDuty Special Service Message
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
FTE 97up - Re: wicked smoke..evil looking
FTE 97up - PSD Oil Change prices
Re: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition
Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:14:04 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

We have the V-10 & 4.30 axle, so far running empty milage is
13.7 to 15.6 mpg. Pulling a 9500# trailer 7.2 to 8.9 mpg.
This mileage is highway at 65 to 70 mph. If you are going
to buy a gas engine and load the truck or pull a trailer
over 5000#, yes the V-10 is the route to go. Depending on
weight pulled you may not need the 4.30 axle. I say pulling
up to #7000 the 3.73 axle and over #7000 the 4.30. My .02.

JJ Thomas wrote:
>
> If I may ask, what type of mileage are you getting and what type of driving
> do you do? Do think the V-10 is worth the extra $350. I am thinking of
> getting either the V8 or the V10 Superduty.
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:10:24 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re;Check Engine Light

>
> Can someone tell what is involved in getting the engine check
> light turned off? It came one just as I was turning over 50K. On the
> last other
> brand PU I had the dealer wanted a handful of money saying all the
> services were
> required by law. I am over fifty miles from my dealer. The truck is
> running like it did when new.

A high percentage of check engine lights are the O2 sensor in need of
replacement/upgrade. This may be covered by emissions warranty.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:02:59 EDT
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge

Thank you rich
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:54:26 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.


Chris Patrick wrote:
>
> last week i towed my Jeep from st. louis to utah with the f-150. with the
> bed loaded, and trailer and jeep, i was sitting at about 5500#, plus
> passenger and driver.
> this evil looking blackish grey smoke poured outta the tailpipe, and i now
> have a black ring of filth about the last 3 inches of my pipe on the
> outside. once it dropped below 4k rpm it was fine...

>>Chris,
>>
>>I would suggest what you experienced was normal. It sounds
>>like the PCM was running the fuel ratio on the rich side.
>>Usually this is to keep detonation down. Your peak
>>torque is at 3000 rpm so that explains why 5th gear was
>>useless and your max rpm was 3400 in 4th.

It could also be burning oil. Next time you tow, check your oil level
carefully. As temperature rises, the viscosity goes down, so you might be
seeing some oil slipping past the rings and getting burned. An oil cooler
wouldn't be a bad idea.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10 2WD






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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:38:16 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - cab noises

Hi Folks,

When I first drove my '99 SuperDuty F250, SC, 4x4, 5.4L, I did notice
the engine noise. It almost made me think twice. It sounded very much
like a diesel engine! I knew it wasn't, so then I kind of got scared. I
was thinking the exhaust was screwed up straight from the factory. I
checked and it looked fine. I decided to wait and see if anything would
fault out; no problems so far. The exhaust sounds a bit tinny. Even my
wife nticed it. Don't know if anyone else noticed it. I still love the
truck.

Jan

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:52:40 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - fog lights

Hey Mitchell (or anybody else),

Can you post some more info on those PIAA foglights? I got a SuperDuty
F250, 4x4, and am looking into some fog lights for it w/o chopping up
the front end. Nothing cheesy, though. I understand Ford has a fog light
kit for the SuperDuty's thats not listed in their SuperDuty accessories
booklet (a mistake in my mind!). If anybody has a picture or diagram of
it, please post it. TIA.

Jan

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:01:58 -0600
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cab noise

Thanks for the info on these rattles, This is why we listen here on this
newsgroup.

This is the first Ford F-series I have owned. So my opinions have no
reference to previous models.

I took steps to innercoat the doors and undercoat the vehicle. I used the
same product as they use for spray-in Bedliners. This works as an excellent
sound deadener. I also removed the rear seat and coated the large rear
panel behind the seat. That vibrated considerably.
When I had the door panels off I used woven carpet padding (you will have to
search a lot of carpet stores to find this, they all use the foam padding)
to insulate the doorpanels and the B and C pillar finish panels. This makes
the truck really sound solid, ant it will be warmer in the winter months. I
own a Diesel so the vehicle already comes with a lot of factory sound
deadening.

If these measures to quiet the vehicle, then install a 600 watt sound system
like I did. I had a lot of fun with this.

Scott.

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 07:19:19 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

Just wondering how owners of 1999 Superduty, gas engines,
compare the cab noise to previous 90's models? I travel a
lot of dirt roads local, many are wash board. Rattles and
road noise heard in the cab is much worst than my 1995 was.
Even on smooth black top, my old pickup I could be listening
to the radio at 30 mph and speed up to 65 and still hear it
fine, but not in this one. I also can feel a vibration in
the gas pedal just before each shift point, any others
feeling this?? Just retired and bought it to pull our 5th
wheel and do some traveling. But sorry to say at this point
its not comfortable traveling due to the noise. I have found
and fixed several rattles, such as the reservoir on left
hand inter fender and the wiring block same area. Inside
the plastic heater duct and a wiring connector behind the
glove box. These fixes have helped but still not what the
1995 was and this time we got the Lariat, not just the old
work truck. Maybe have to undercoat it next, has anyone
done that yet?? I still like the pickup, its a great puller
and a good looker. Just a little disappointed at the noise
level. Bill
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:28:50 -0600
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Trans filter

I have a 99 F350 PSD with the 6 speed. It does have a trans cooler inside
the radiator. Like my old '69 Pontiac had. I know that the temps of the
radiator a usually higher than the temp of the trans oil I'm trying to cool.
So I installed an external cooler infront of the radiator and below of the
Intercooler, between the A/C Condenser. You must remove the bumper to do
all this work. As for the filter location: On the right frame rail there is
a welded flange with two 1/2 " holes in it. I used a Perma Cool 1211 filter
mount and a Fram PH8A style filter. I fabricated a mount bracket out of
1-1/2" square aluminum tube about 5 " long and drilled the 5 holes in it.
To get the clearance to perform this installation you MUST remove the
Passenger Fender liner (about 20 Min work).
The Trans lines can be easily cut and flared to install fittings to the PC
filter mount. Remember to use a good quality 3/8" hose and clamps.

You must be patient doing this install.

Scott.

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:00:20 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..

A few quick questions for all the automatics and PSD's out thereI got
case
of syn. Redline D4ATF for my '99 F250 PSD, wanting to do this myself, so
what
kind of capacity am i looking at before i get into this, and anyone have a
recommendation on a good place for a trans filter.
Also where is the water drain for fuel filter on '99 PSD, since i am about
to
do oil change too and this is my first diesel truck, tired of throwing away
money at the dealer! They charge an arm and a leg for oil change.

TIA,
Ross Smith
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:59:36 -0400
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC, (V-10)

Julian asked:

getting either the V8 or the V10 Superduty.>

I think the more pertentant question is what kind of driving you do & how
often to you sell/trade vehicles? I would think that the V-10 would be a
great selling point for a towing/serious work truck for future buyers. I
didn't know it was that inexpensive an option (I have an Expedition). I have
been checking out the Excursion & find it is engine limited for towing. The
5.4 tow limit is 6K while the V10 & PSD versions are both rated at 10K.
Quite a jump in capacity, eh?
Mike in PA

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:56:01 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report

Well I finally joined the ranks of the rest of you, I'm no longer
on the outside looking in. On Tuesday I got my F250 Super Duty
SC PSD 4x4 LSD red Lariat.

Wow!

The dealer tried to sway me into taking delivery on the following day,
but I wasn't going to risk letting this one slip through my fingers like
the V10, the "one that got away", did.

After a quick inspection I said prep it and let's do the paper work.
The truck MSRP'ed for over $37K but I got it for $32,072.44
plus 6.25% tax. Not a bad deal don't you think.

One thing I looked for during the inspection was the rubber gaskets
at the bottom of the doors - there were none. There were all around
gaskets on the door wells of the body. Are these the ones? Or are
there additional ones that should be on the door bottoms? Not sure
about this. But the body shop guy order something under warranty
just the same.

I watch the "prep boys" do their thing and all they appear to be
are car washers. (The body shop guy installed the Ford bug shield,
splash guards and bed liner.) Anyway, when I got home I found
the front leaf springs inserts that are meant to be discarded still
held in place with electrical tape. I also found quite a bit of oil
spread out on everything in the front drivers side wheel well.
It was clear and appeared to be brake fluid. Under the hood the
brake fluid reservoir was wet as if it over flowed. I cleaned all and
will keep a watchful eye on it for awhile.

Question about the bug guard, beside it making it difficult to close
the hood - takes a really good slam to get it to lock: does the guard
interfere with air flow to cool the turbo charger? Thought I remember
reading something here about that.

I don't like the cost cuts by Ford, removing the passenger side
lumbar support or the raised white lettering on the spare tire. But
they also removed the small strip of molding from the side of the
bed just infront of the rear wheel well. So now you only have
protective side moldings on the cab itself.

Charles.






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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:27:39 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II

> I'd MUCH rather hear something that said: "Engine. Power."
than "fan".

Alan,
All the vehicles I've had over the years, or that I drove that belonged
to my folks were promptly taken down and given dual exhaust, any fan clutch
noise was quickly eliminated by the lovely and melodious rumble
just noticeable> from the duals. However, today, if I buy a new truck, I
will have to ask that it be given duals directly from the factory, so that I
can legally get duals put on it when the old pipe rots away. I'm not much
of a fan for electrical cooling fans that are not part of the engine's
components. On two of the smaller econo cars I've owned which had electric
fans, both had times when the fuse burnt and the engine got hot as a result.
I like the idea of the old belt/clutch fans because even if the clutch locks
up, the fan is still turning keeping the engine cool 'til you get to a place
to fix it. If the motor in your electrical fan goes bad, you're stuck
without a cooling system.

Just my 2 cents.
C.K.

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:13:04 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck

Todd,

Glad for you! I just got mine too! Hey, does your's have the rubber gaskets at
the
bottom of the doors? Mine has the holes but no gaskets. The dealer had to order
them under warranty.

I thought of the crew cab when first ordering, but went with the super cab. It's
a
good thing I did, for at the end of my garage there is a three foot, eight inch
high
stoop/step, that when I pull in I know I'm in all the way when the front tires
hit.
But behind me is left only five inches between the garage door and my tail gate;

insufficient for the extra length of the crew cab.

Charles.

Todd Wozniak wrote:

> Picked up my new F250 SD CC V-10 Lariet 4x4 3.73 Short bed, on April 5.
> Wow! What a truck, and it still fits in the garage, barely. Ordered it
> on Nov 1. Thanks to all who posted comments and suggestions. I'm enjoying
> breaking in the motor and the looks it gets as I fly down the road. Had
> one of those Pace Edwards roller covers installed as well, works prety
> well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd W.
> Chicago area
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:16:20 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter

In a message dated 99-04-08 10:31:15 EDT, you write:


LET BACK UP A SECOND HERE, you said you had 6 speed, thats a stick right?
why would you need a trans cooler? Just FYI: all i was wondering on was the
4R100 trans filter.

RS

I have a 99 F350 PSD with the 6 speed. It does have a trans cooler inside
the radiator. Like my old '69 Pontiac had. I know that the temps of the
radiator a usually higher than the temp of the trans oil I'm trying to cool.
So I installed an external cooler infront of the radiator and below of the
Intercooler, between the A/C Condenser. You must remove the bumper to do
all this work. As for the filter location: On the right frame rail there is
a welded flange with two 1/2 " holes in it. I used a Perma Cool 1211 filter
mount and a Fram PH8A style filter. I fabricated a mount bracket out of
1-1/2" square aluminum tube about 5 " long and drilled the 5 holes in it.
To get the clearance to perform this installation you MUST remove the
Passenger Fender liner (about 20 Min work).
The Trans lines can be easily cut and flared to install fittings to the PC
filter mount. Remember to use a good quality 3/8" hose and clamps.

You must be patient doing this install.

Scott.

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:16:22 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report

In a message dated 99-04-08 11:02:25 EDT, you write:


not a bad deal at all, i installed the bug sheild on F250 SD myself and did
notice that it is harder to close now.

RS


Date:99-04-08 11:02:25 EDT
From:abrahamc agcs.com (Charles Abraham)
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Well I finally joined the ranks of the rest of you, I'm no longer
on the outside looking in. On Tuesday I got my F250 Super Duty
SC PSD 4x4 LSD red Lariat.

Wow!

The dealer tried to sway me into taking delivery on the following day,
but I wasn't going to risk letting this one slip through my fingers like
the V10, the "one that got away", did.

After a quick inspection I said prep it and let's do the paper work.
The truck MSRP'ed for over $37K but I got it for $32,072.44
plus 6.25% tax. Not a bad deal don't you think.

One thing I looked for during the inspection was the rubber gaskets
at the bottom of the doors - there were none. There were all around
gaskets on the door wells of the body. Are these the ones? Or are
there additional ones that should be on the door bottoms? Not sure
about this. But the body shop guy order something under warranty
just the same.

I watch the "prep boys" do their thing and all they appear to be
are car washers. (The body shop guy installed the Ford bug shield,
splash guards and bed liner.) Anyway, when I got home I found
the front leaf springs inserts that are meant to be discarded still
held in place with electrical tape. I also found quite a bit of oil
spread out on everything in the front drivers side wheel well.
It was clear and appeared to be brake fluid. Under the hood the
brake fluid reservoir was wet as if it over flowed. I cleaned all and
will keep a watchful eye on it for awhile.

Question about the bug guard, beside it making it difficult to close
the hood - takes a really good slam to get it to lock: does the guard
interfere with air flow to cool the turbo charger? Thought I remember
reading something here about that.

I don't like the cost cuts by Ford, removing the passenger side
lumbar support or the raised white lettering on the spare tire. But
they also removed the small strip of molding from the side of the
bed just infront of the rear wheel well. So now you only have
protective side moldings on the cab itself.

Charles.






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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:21:42 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck

Is it me, or is Ford scrimping to save a buck here? These door gaskets
appear to be a warranty item yet I keep seeing truck after truck listed as
arriving without them.
How many folks are taking delivery that don't even think to look, or worse
yet, have no idea they need too?

C.K.

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:34:22 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter

I'm a little confused about the 6 speed 4R100 myself, this IS an automatic
transmission or a stick? The 4R100 I thought was the 4 speed automatic, is
there a 6 speed version of this automatic? Or if not, I've never ever seen
a standard shift transmission with 'cooler lines' running to the radiator.
Or am I just sitting back in the 'Fool's Chair at the King's Table' again?
PLEASE ELABORATE!!

C.K.

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:12:44 -0700
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition

I imagine there are a few of you out there like me who have not yet bought a
Superduty...who are waiting for various reasons, and have done a lot of
comparison shopping. For those of you in that category, what have you heard
about the Dodge engine revamps? I seem to recall hearing that they were
dropping the old 360 for a totally retooled motor which was smaller, more
high-tech, and more powerful. Wonder if they have any sweeping changes for
the V10 as well, to make it more competetive with the Triton V10? I read
that even know the Dodge V10 boasts bigger numbers all around, the Triton
actually out-performs it. If Ford is going to offer the 2000 trucks with a
300hp V10, I would think that the competition would want to answer that
challenge. I haven't found a good site for reading up on the Dodge trucks-
they used to have a forum like this, but no more.

If you have any info, better email me off line because this is likely a
hostile crowd when it comes to anything other than Ford...
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:17:46 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck

Makes you stop and wonder doesn't it. Was there somebody at the factory
that had this task as part of their job description that was let go?

I mean it appears to be a 50/50 chance that your new truck will have the
bottom door gaskets or not. I thought by this time the problem would have
been identified - and fixed, by Ford. But apparently not.

And the dealership you would think would be checking for them during
prepping the vehicle for customer delivery. My dealer wasn't even aware
of the changes in the 99.5 PSDs, and the cost reduction made by Ford to
the Super Duty, that were pointed out to all of us by Nathan of Union Auto.

Charles.

"C. K. Hartline" wrote:

> Is it me, or is Ford scrimping to save a buck here? These door gaskets
> appear to be a warranty item yet I keep seeing truck after truck listed as
> arriving without them.
> How many folks are taking delivery that don't even think to look, or worse
> yet, have no idea they need too?
>
> C.K.
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adry Gimenez
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Change

Hey.

I got a 99 F-350,Crew-Cab,Dully,Deisel and
The other day I went to get my truck its first Diesel Oil Change. Because it was the first time I went to the dealer thinking it would be done right. Anyway, it cost me $112 just for the oil, filters, and and labor. Anybody think thats a ripoff....I do. And to top it off, the mechanic that did it steped on the tow hook to get on top and slipped. He fell and "almost" cracked his head open. He broke his legg and got blood over the truck. He also scratched it on the way down. He blames it on me because he says if I would`nt have put "armorall" on it he would not have fallen. Thats what I get for trying to make my truck look good.



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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:47:53 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition

> For those of you in that category, what
> have you heard
> about the Dodge engine revamps? I seem to recall hearing that
> they were
> dropping the old 360 for a totally retooled motor which was
> smaller, more
> high-tech, and more powerful. Wonder if they have any
> sweeping changes for
> the V10 as well, to make it more competetive with the Triton
> V10? I read
> that even know the Dodge V10 boasts bigger numbers all
> around, the Triton
> actually out-performs it. If Ford is going to offer the 2000
> trucks with a
> 300hp V10,

three words

"dodge power wagon"

slated for production 2001/2002, with a 7.2 litre motor cranking out 780 ft
pounds of torque.

while its styling is controversial, this thing will be a behemoth!

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:26:51 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

Adry,

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. A sad story but a funny one.
Sorry to hear about the damage done to your truck though. But I
know what you mean about expecting the best from the dealership
in workmanship. In picking up my new truck just the other day, I
watched with dread as these two "neanderthals" worked on prepping
it for delivery. I couldn't wait for them to take their uncaring hands off
my truck. It shouldn't be this way - but unfortunately, it is.

Hope your truck comes out looking like new,

Charles.


Adry Gimenez wrote:

> Hey.
>
> I got a 99 F-350,Crew-Cab,Dully,Deisel and
> The other day I went to get my truck its first Diesel Oil Change. Because it was the first time I went to the dealer thinking it would be done right. Anyway, it cost me $112 just for the oil, filters, and and labor. Anybody think thats a ripoff....I do. And to top it off, the mechanic that did it steped on the tow hook to get on top and slipped. He fell and "almost" cracked his head open. He broke his legg and got blood over the truck. He also scratched it on the way down. He blames it on me because he says if I would`nt have put "armorall" on it he would not have fallen. Thats what I get for trying to make my truck look good.
>
> Becks2
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:07:08 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition

>From what I've heard the new V-8's will be based of the engine in the 1999
Jeep, so they should be simmilar to the Triton engines. I haven't heard
anything on the V-10 though. I don't think the engine is their problem, its
the transmission, I've driven several and they never seem to be in the gear
that you need. One thing to look at is the durability of freshly revamped
Chrysler products. (1. check on transmissions in the 1996 and newer
Caravans,2. brakes, transmission durability, and pulling to the right on
1994 and up Ram trucks, head gaskets on certain mini-vans and just about
every other Chrysler product).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Kirk Werner
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 1:12 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition


>
>
> I imagine there are a few of you out there like me who have not yet bought
a
> Superduty...who are waiting for various reasons, and have done a lot of
> comparison shopping. For those of you in that category, what have you
heard
> about the Dodge engine revamps? I seem to recall hearing that they were
> dropping the old 360 for a totally retooled motor which was smaller, more
> high-tech, and more powerful. Wonder if they have any sweeping changes
for
> the V10 as well, to make it more competetive with the Triton V10? I read
> that even know the Dodge V10 boasts bigger numbers all around, the Triton
> actually out-performs it. If Ford is going to offer the 2000 trucks with a
> 300hp V10, I would think that the competition would want to answer that
> challenge. I haven't found a good site for reading up on the Dodge trucks-
> they used to have a forum like this, but no more.
>
> If you have any info, better email me off line because this is likely a
> hostile crowd when it comes to anything other than Ford...
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:31:03 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report

The bug shield isn't a problem on a Super Duty. The older Diesels took
their air from the left hand corner of where the hood shuts. A bug shield
would restrict this and cause big problems. If you have a 1997 or older
turbo diesel (not just Power Stroke, but the IDI turbo also) make sure that
if you have a bug shield it has a notch in this area to let it breathe.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Abraham
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report


> Well I finally joined the ranks of the rest of you, I'm no longer
> on the outside looking in. On Tuesday I got my F250 Super Duty
> SC PSD 4x4 LSD red Lariat.
>
> Wow!
>
> The dealer tried to sway me into taking delivery on the following day,
> but I wasn't going to risk letting this one slip through my fingers like
> the V10, the "one that got away", did.
>
> After a quick inspection I said prep it and let's do the paper work.
> The truck MSRP'ed for over $37K but I got it for $32,072.44
> plus 6.25% tax. Not a bad deal don't you think.
>
> One thing I looked for during the inspection was the rubber gaskets
> at the bottom of the doors - there were none. There were all around
> gaskets on the door wells of the body. Are these the ones? Or are
> there additional ones that should be on the door bottoms? Not sure
> about this. But the body shop guy order something under warranty
> just the same.
>
> I watch the "prep boys" do their thing and all they appear to be
> are car washers. (The body shop guy installed the Ford bug shield,
> splash guards and bed liner.) Anyway, when I got home I found
> the front leaf springs inserts that are meant to be discarded still
> held in place with electrical tape. I also found quite a bit of oil
> spread out on everything in the front drivers side wheel well.
> It was clear and appeared to be brake fluid. Under the hood the
> brake fluid reservoir was wet as if it over flowed. I cleaned all and
> will keep a watchful eye on it for awhile.
>
> Question about the bug guard, beside it making it difficult to close
> the hood - takes a really good slam to get it to lock: does the guard
> interfere with air flow to cool the turbo charger? Thought I remember
> reading something here about that.
>
> I don't like the cost cuts by Ford, removing the passenger side
> lumbar support or the raised white lettering on the spare tire. But
> they also removed the small strip of molding from the side of the
> bed just infront of the rear wheel well. So now you only have
> protective side moldings on the cab itself.
>
> Charles.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:33:15 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

In a message dated 99-04-08 15:40:34 EDT, you write:


what a dumb ass, even i can reach the filler standing on the ground and i am
5' 9"-10". I would tell him to get some brains, stepping on the tow hook
thats just asking for it. I know after letting the dealer do mine twice i
decided i could handle this, plus its as easy as the filter is to get to and
everything.

RS


Hey.

I got a 99 F-350,Crew-Cab,Dully,Deisel and
The other day I went to get my truck its first Diesel Oil Change. Because it
was the first time I went to the dealer thinking it would be done right.
Anyway, it cost me $112 just for the oil, filters, and and labor. Anybody
think thats a ripoff....I do. And to top it off, the mechanic that did it
steped on the tow hook to get on top and slipped. He fell and "almost"
cracked his head open. He broke his legg and got blood over the truck. He
also scratched it on the way down. He blames it on me because he says if I
would`nt have put "armorall" on it he would not have fallen. Thats what I get
for trying to make my truck look good.



Becks2
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:30:12 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question

Nathan,
Scott Matus and I are trying to change are intermediate pipe and was
wondering if you could help. We both have 172" WB built before 12/07/98 and
wanted to change the intermediate pipe to one built after 12/07/98. I am
sure you know the ones built after 12/07/98 [I think this date is correct]
does not have a catalytic converter. I was told part # XC3Z-5A212-CA would
interchange onto our trucks. I looked a new 172" WB and it looks like the
pipes would interchange but I did not have a measuring tape. Is there any
way you can find out if this possible? Other people on the Ford Diesel
Website said they have done this and it worked perfectly. I hate to order
the part and it not work. Scott said he had part # XC3Z-5A212-GA and it was
2" to short. My parts man said that pipe was for 176" WB.
Thanks for your time and help,
Jeff


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:20:24 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Door gaskets

My 99 does not have any gaskets on the door other than the rubber seal on the cab. What is this door gasket and
where does it go. Does it attach to the bottom of the door so mud does not get on the inside of the door below the
cab seal. I get a lot of crap there. I also removed the factory steps because they did'nt suite my taste. They are for
sale if someone wants to make me an offer. They seemed pretty steep in the catalog from ford.

thanks for the tip on the door gaskets, I had no idea until reading the list.


George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:43:58 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post Delivery Report -Reply

Congrats Charles.

Look close at where the brake fluid spilled. I have had problems with brake fluid eating paint away on the inside of
the engine bay when it leaks. Would not want to have rust inside your new engine compartment.

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:59:32 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition -Reply

While we are bashing on the competition gotta agree with Nathan. Sisters 97 chrysler minivan = 3 transmissions and
a cracked frame in two years. Friends 98 cherokee, 18K needs new brakes and rotors, only gets 12 mpg city with
the inline 6 . Another friends 97 wrangler with the inline 6 gets 14 mpg hyw 10 city, both vehicles have already
broken the cheap plastic transfer case shifter bracket. I have also heard about overheating problems with the new
24 valve ISB when towing heavy loads on the truckworld site. The steering, tire wear and brake problem on the
dodge trucks are associated with the ISB as well. Rumor is that the heavy front of the dodge truck with the ISB
causes these problems. I am not sure how ford solved this problem My friend with a dodge 1/2 ton 4x4 with the 360
has had no problems at all.

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:28:25 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter

The 4R100 is a 4 speed automatic and the 6 speed is a manual transmission.
However the 6 speed does have an external oil cooler (the 5 speed does not),
and an actuall oil pump (as opposed to the usuall splasher).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trans filter


> In a message dated 99-04-08 10:31:15 EDT, you write:
>
>
> LET BACK UP A SECOND HERE, you said you had 6 speed, thats a stick right?
> why would you need a trans cooler? Just FYI: all i was wondering on was
the
> 4R100 trans filter.
>
> RS
>
> I have a 99 F350 PSD with the 6 speed. It does have a trans cooler
inside
> the radiator. Like my old '69 Pontiac had. I know that the temps of the
> radiator a usually higher than the temp of the trans oil I'm trying to
cool.
> So I installed an external cooler infront of the radiator and below of
the
> Intercooler, between the A/C Condenser. You must remove the bumper to do
> all this work. As for the filter location: On the right frame rail there
is
> a welded flange with two 1/2 " holes in it. I used a Perma Cool 1211
filter
> mount and a Fram PH8A style filter. I fabricated a mount bracket out of
> 1-1/2" square aluminum tube about 5 " long and drilled the 5 holes in it.
> To get the clearance to perform this installation you MUST remove the
> Passenger Fender liner (about 20 Min work).
> The Trans lines can be easily cut and flared to install fittings to the
PC
> filter mount. Remember to use a good quality 3/8" hose and clamps.
>
> You must be patient doing this install.
>
> Scott.
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:37:41 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

What is the going rate for a Diesel oil change. We charge $13.84 for a
FL-1995 filter, $21.00 for 14qt of Motorcraft oil, and $13.50 for labor for
a total of $48.34 (air filters and fluids are added to this if neccesary).
Is this in the normal ball park for a service? Also what are Dealerships
charging for Gasoline engine services?

Thanks

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:16:46 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question

I have the following part numbers

F-250/350 extension and Catalyst delete pipe
XC3Z 5A212 EA for 142" wb
XC3Z 5A212 BA for 156" wb
XC3Z 5A212 DA for 158" WB
XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" wb
XC3Z 5A212 GA for 176" WB

hope this helps.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Schapker
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:30 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question


>
>
> Nathan,
> Scott Matus and I are trying to change are intermediate pipe and was
> wondering if you could help. We both have 172" WB built before 12/07/98
and
> wanted to change the intermediate pipe to one built after 12/07/98. I am
> sure you know the ones built after 12/07/98 [I think this date is correct]
> does not have a catalytic converter. I was told part # XC3Z-5A212-CA
would
> interchange onto our trucks. I looked a new 172" WB and it looks like the
> pipes would interchange but I did not have a measuring tape. Is there any
> way you can find out if this possible? Other people on the Ford Diesel
> Website said they have done this and it worked perfectly. I hate to order
> the part and it not work. Scott said he had part # XC3Z-5A212-GA and it
was
> 2" to short. My parts man said that pipe was for 176" WB.
> Thanks for your time and help,
> Jeff
>
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:57:30 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck

Are the door rubbers suppose to be on the 2 and 4 wheel
drive models or just the 4 WD.

"C. K. Hartline" wrote:
>
> Is it me, or is Ford scrimping to save a buck here? These door gaskets
> appear to be a warranty item yet I keep seeing truck after truck listed as
> arriving without them.
> How many folks are taking delivery that don't even think to look, or worse
> yet, have no idea they need too?
>
> C.K.
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:01:50 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F-350 SuperDuty Special Service Message

OK all you owners of 1999 SuperDuty F-Series (4X4 only) there is a Special
Service Message Number 12555 which states:

"Some 1999 SuperDuty F-Series 4X4 Models may exhibit a squeal noise from the
front axle in both 4x2 and 4x4 modes. This may be caused by a lack of
lubrication to the front axle seal. Engineering is currently testing an
oil-impregnated seal material that will work along with the gear lube to
prevent the noise from occurring. Do Not attempt repairs at this time
Lubing the seal is only a temporary repair and will lead to a repeat repair
attemp. This message will be updated when new information becomes
available."

I do notice a slight "squeak - squeak - squeak" when driving with the
drivers-side window down going slow next to a building (sound reflection).
I took it in (thought it might be the front "U"joint) and they showed my the
Special Service Message quoted above. The tech did squirt a little lube in
the seal and the noise went away. Apparently, this is due to an "improved"
design (remember, if it is working good - fix it) consisting of an inner and
outer axle seal (with the outer seal being a "dust seal"). The outer seal
can't get lube from the axle due to the inner seal, so you get
rubber-on-rubber squeak. The lube stopped the noise, and the tech said that
it will not cause a problem, but I want it fixed anyway!


Keith

'99 F-350 SuperDuty / 6.8L V-10 / 4X4 / XLT / SuperCab / Longbed / Factory
Snow-Plow Package / Tuff-Country 3.5" Lift / 8' Fisher Plow w/FishStik / Tow
/ Class V / 4-Wheel OTF / Cloth Captains 1-power / Off-Road / SRW / Power TT
Mirrors / Automatic w/Power-Take-off

'98 Expy 5.4L V-8 / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Off-Road / Rear Air / 3rd Seat / 17" /
3.73LS

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:15:24 EDT
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

Adry,

To lower your cost on oil changes, this is what I do. Go to your discount
stores and purchase 16 qrts or 4 gals of oil, I use Mobil Delvac or Shell
Rotellat or equal, the cost is about 20 bucks. Then I go to the quickie lube
places and have them change out the oil for about 12 bucks. The cost of an
oil change is now 32 bucks, what a deal.

John Patterson
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:33:08 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

The tow hook is not a step, and not intended or designed to be used as
one....make sure the dealer knows they're paying for the scratches too. You
paid good money for that truck, and if you scratch it, it's your baby; but
if they do the damage, they need to pay you. As far as the price to change
the oil on the diesel, that sounds about right. From what I understand the
oil filter isn't cheap at all, even if you do it yourself,
you're disabled like myself, you might consider doing next time>. Just
remember if you do it, use a stool to get up there to the top of the
engine...no sense making the idiot's-mistake twice.

C.K.

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 23:06:35 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

Adry Gimenez wrote:
>
> Hey.
>
> I got a 99 F-350,Crew-Cab,Dully,Deisel and
> The other day I went to get my truck its first Diesel Oil Change. Because it was the first time I went to the dealer thinking it would be done right. Anyway, it cost me $112 just for the oil, filters, and and labor. Anybody think thats a ripoff....I do. And to top it off, the mechanic that did it steped on the tow hook to get on top and slipped. He fell and "almost" cracked his head open. He broke his legg and got blood over the truck. He also scratched it on the way down. He blames it on me because he says if I would`nt have put "armorall" on it he would not have fallen. Thats what I get for trying to make my truck look good.
>
> Becks2
>
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Adry,

I am glad to hear the guy will live. God (if you believe)
tends to look out for this kind of fool. There exists
little stools to step on to get closer to your work. Don't
feel guilty because this guy didn't use one. BTW I hope
they washed your truck...

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:08:12 -0500
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: wicked smoke..evil looking

Running a truck that hard.......Its a wonder all you had was wicked
smoke.......especially with the 4.2 V6. From what I have been hearing on
this list.....you had your truck severely overloaded with the 4.2 and a 5
speed......and not treating it very well at that. Why on earth would you
drive 80mph when towing....and the engine running 5300+ RPMs when going up
grades. Why would you run the truck in 5th gear until it stalled anyway. If
you keep treating your truck like this....I don't think it will live to see
10,000 miles. It is people like you that get innocent people in trouble when
you lose control of your vehicle. If someone would stop in front of
you....or veer into your lane....you would'nt have a chance in hell of
stopping.

Just my .02 Cents

Ron


>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:07:05 -0500
>From: "Chris Patrick"
>Subject: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.
>
>last week i towed my Jeep from st. louis to utah with the f-150. with the
>bed loaded, and trailer and jeep, i was sitting at about 5500#, plus
>passenger and driver.
>
>anyway, with the 4.2 v-6, fifth gear was a complete waste of time.. hit it,
>and the truck simply slowed down untill it stalled or i shifted out...
>
>4th gear was fine, except it stayed at 3400 rpm, at 80mph.
>
>now heres my question...
>
>when i came to hills, or had to pass, i would have to shift to 3rd.. and
run
>it up to 5300-5400 rpm to maintain speed... whenever it got above 4000 rpm,
>this evil looking blackish grey smoke poured outta the tailpipe, and i now
>have a black ring of filth about the last 3 inches of my pipe on the
>outside. once it dropped below 4k rpm it was fine...


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:13:36 -0500
From: Todd Styles
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Oil Change prices

Local dealer charges $69 for PSD oil service. Dealer where I bought my
truck (~20 miles away) charges $62 but I received coupon book for $5.00 off
every oil service for a total of $57. I traded in a '97 F150 4.6 and had
the "lifetime oil service" for a one-time charge of $125 and $2 disposal
fee/change. These are Memphis prices. FWIW, I pay between .89 and 1.04
for diesel, depending how far I want to drive to get fuel and have gotten a
worst of 17.3 and a best of 19.5 with an average of 18.0 MPG... unloaded.
Towing a #2000 trailer made no difference on fuel mileage.
Todd. '99 F250 SD,SC,SB XLT 4x2,PSD w/ 6-speed and 3.73LS.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Union Auto [SMTP:unionaut adiis.net]
> Sent:Thursday, April 08, 1999 5:38 PM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change
>
> What is the going rate for a Diesel oil change. We charge $13.84 for a
> FL-1995 filter, $21.00 for 14qt of Motorcraft oil, and $13.50 for labor
> for
> a total of $48.34 (air filters and fluids are added to this if neccesary).
> Is this in the normal ball park for a service? Also what are Dealerships
> charging for Gasoline engine services?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:10:54 -0500
From: "Jaeger & Daly & College Planners Inc."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition

__Try www.tstproducts.com for a start... an excellent site (list) that has
excellent information & very helpful people but is mainly diesel & Dodge.
__Harold in the Chicago Area

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk Werner
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 1:12 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - The c*mpetition


>
>
> I imagine there are a few of you out there like me who have not yet bought
a
> Superduty...who are waiting for various reasons, and have done a lot of
> comparison shopping. For those of you in that category, what have you
heard
> about the Dodge engine revamps? I seem to recall hearing that they were
> dropping the old 360 for a totally retooled motor which was smaller, more
> high-tech, and more powerful. Wonder if they have any sweeping changes
for
> the V10 as well, to make it more competetive with the Triton V10? I read
> that even know the Dodge V10 boasts bigger numbers all around, the Triton
> actually out-performs it. If Ford is going to offer the 2000 trucks with a
> 300hp V10, I would think that the competition would want to answer that
> challenge. I haven't found a good site for reading up on the Dodge trucks-
> they used to have a forum like this, but no more.
>
> If you have any info, better email me off line because this is likely a
> hostile crowd when it comes to anything other than Ford...
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:18:07 -0500
From: "Jaeger & Daly & College Planners Inc."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door gaskets

I wonder if all of these trucks with the missing gaskets are comming from
one manufacturing plant? I am about to order my F-350 and I think that I
can request a truck from a specified manufacturing plant... not sure...
Anyone know the truth.
Harold in the Chicago Area.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: GEORGE CROLL
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 4:20 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Door gaskets


> My 99 does not have any gaskets on the door other than the rubber seal on
the cab. What is this door gasket and
> where does it go. Does it attach to the bottom of the door so mud does
not get on the inside of the door below the
> cab seal. I get a lot of crap there. I also removed the factory steps
because they did'nt suite my taste. They are for
> sale if someone wants to make me an offer. They seemed pretty steep in
the catalog from ford.
>
> thanks for the tip on the door gaskets, I had no idea until reading the
list.
>
>
> George Croll
> EPA-OAR-ARD
> (202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:48:28 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Change

In a message dated 99-04-08 18:42:20 EDT, you write:

For '99 PSD
try 66. at one dealer and i think other was right at 70., hec man i can
getFL-1995 for 9.47 Walmart!


Ross Smith
99F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
9sec93cobra



Date:99-04-08 18:42:20 EDT
From:unionaut adiis.net (Union Auto)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to:97up-list ford-trucks.com
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com

What is the going rate for a Diesel oil change. We charge $13.84 for a
FL-1995 filter, $21.00 for 14qt of Motorcraft oil, and $13.50 for labor for
a total of $48.34 (air filters and fluids are added to this if neccesary).
Is this in the normal ball park for a service? Also what are Dealerships
charging for Gasoline engine services?

Thanks

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:51:41 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question

In a message dated 99-04-08 19:19:51 EDT, you write:


OOOOOO, you know who is going to be checkin this out tommorrow at the dealer!

ME!

The 5in. Exhaust is just screaming to be opened up!

Ross S.
99 F250 PSD/SC/4x4
9sec93cobra


Question
Date:99-04-08 19:19:51 EDT
From:unionaut adiis.net (Union Auto)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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To:97up-list ford-trucks.com

I have the following part numbers

F-250/350 extension and Catalyst delete pipe
XC3Z 5A212 EA for 142" wb
XC3Z 5A212 BA for 156" wb
XC3Z 5A212 DA for 158" WB
XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" wb
XC3Z 5A212 GA for 176" WB

hope this helps.

Nathan

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Schapker
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:30 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe Question


>
>
> Nathan,
> Scott Matus and I are trying to change are intermediate pipe and was
> wondering if you could help. We both have 172" WB built before 12/07/98
and
> wanted to change the intermediate pipe to one built after 12/07/98. I am
> sure you know the ones built after 12/07/98 [I think this date is correct]
> does not have a catalytic converter. I was told part # XC3Z-5A212-CA
would
> interchange onto our trucks. I looked a new 172" WB and it looks like the....


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