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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
Re: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge
Re: FTE 97up - fuel -Reply
FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
FTE 97up - Fuel tank too small
FTE 97up - Fuel
FTE 97up - New Truck
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel tank too small
FTE 97up - Check Engine Light
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck
Re: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.
Re: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light
Re: FTE 97up - F550 Super Duty Made in Mexico?
Re: FTE 97up - Lumbar Adjustment
FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..
Re: FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..
Re: FTE 97up - Fog Lights
Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light
Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
Re: FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 07:19:19 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

Just wondering how owners of 1999 Superduty, gas engines,
compare the cab noise to previous 90's models? I travel a
lot of dirt roads local, many are wash board. Rattles and
road noise heard in the cab is much worst than my 1995 was.
Even on smooth black top, my old pickup I could be listening
to the radio at 30 mph and speed up to 65 and still hear it
fine, but not in this one. I also can feel a vibration in
the gas pedal just before each shift point, any others
feeling this?? Just retired and bought it to pull our 5th
wheel and do some traveling. But sorry to say at this point
its not comfortable traveling due to the noise. I have found
and fixed several rattles, such as the reservoir on left
hand inter fender and the wiring block same area. Inside
the plastic heater duct and a wiring connector behind the
glove box. These fixes have helped but still not what the
1995 was and this time we got the Lariat, not just the old
work truck. Maybe have to undercoat it next, has anyone
done that yet?? I still like the pickup, its a great puller
and a good looker. Just a little disappointed at the noise
level. Bill
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:28:23 EDT
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge

was it the ford 6 cd changer? thanks rich
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:48:49 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel -Reply

"quote from previous post"
>A lot of us on the list are trying to get the good word out to the rest of
>you, that the PSD is the way to go.

Put this crap to rest, its all about personal prefreence.

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:07:05 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.

last week i towed my Jeep from st. louis to utah with the f-150. with the
bed loaded, and trailer and jeep, i was sitting at about 5500#, plus
passenger and driver.

anyway, with the 4.2 v-6, fifth gear was a complete waste of time.. hit it,
and the truck simply slowed down untill it stalled or i shifted out...

4th gear was fine, except it stayed at 3400 rpm, at 80mph.

now heres my question...

when i came to hills, or had to pass, i would have to shift to 3rd.. and run
it up to 5300-5400 rpm to maintain speed... whenever it got above 4000 rpm,
this evil looking blackish grey smoke poured outta the tailpipe, and i now
have a black ring of filth about the last 3 inches of my pipe on the
outside. once it dropped below 4k rpm it was fine...

there was no loss of power, strange noises, fires or explosions, etc.

now without the trailer, i regularly run it to redline and havent noticed
any smoke...

is this normal? the vehical has 6000 miles on it, ran 91 octane premiom feul
from texaco, phillips 66, shell, and mobil the whole way out there and
back... no "no-name" gas stations. oil level is still normal, as are all
other fluids....

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:22:52 -0400
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

I've got a 99 Superduty SC F-250 V-10 manual transmission 4x4. The truck is
very quiet in my estimation compared to cars even. The only noise problem I
have is when the engine hits 2250 rpm, a resonance is set up in the exhaust
and it can get pretty loud depending on how much load is on the engine at
the time. This noise has decreased some since I first bought the truck, but
is still noticeable. Whenever the truck is not near this rpm, above or
below, its a very quiet vehicle. My only suggestion is to check the rubber
gaskets on the bottoms of the doors. I've heard that some vehicles arrived
without them, and in this case a lot of extra road and wind noise might be
entering the cab because of it.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 7:18 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,


>Just wondering how owners of 1999 Superduty, gas engines,
>compare the cab noise to previous 90's models? I travel a
>lot of dirt roads local, many are wash board. Rattles and
>road noise heard in the cab is much worst than my 1995 was.
>Even on smooth black top, my old pickup I could be listening
>to the radio at 30 mph and speed up to 65 and still hear it
>fine, but not in this one. I also can feel a vibration in
>the gas pedal just before each shift point, any others
>feeling this?? Just retired and bought it to pull our 5th
>wheel and do some traveling. But sorry to say at this point
>its not comfortable traveling due to the noise. I have found
>and fixed several rattles, such as the reservoir on left
>hand inter fender and the wiring block same area. Inside
>the plastic heater duct and a wiring connector behind the
>glove box. These fixes have helped but still not what the
>1995 was and this time we got the Lariat, not just the old
>work truck. Maybe have to undercoat it next, has anyone
>done that yet?? I still like the pickup, its a great puller
>and a good looker. Just a little disappointed at the noise
>level. Bill
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:56:06 -0400
From: "John Luft"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel tank too small

Any recommendations on options for larger/auxillary fuel tank for '99 F250
SD CC SB V-10? Is it pretty simple to do the switch/addition? I only get
about 320 miles on the highway before the fuel light comes on ( it's the 29
gallon tank). I don't mind the MPG so much as having to fill the tank so
often. And no, switching to a PSD is not an option .

Thanx,

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:41:07 -0400
From: "Pete Elliott"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel

Gary,

I have a SWB 2WD F150 w. 4.2L, 5spd and 3.08 gears and NO modifications
other than a tonneau cover. After three months and a little over 2000
miles, I'm getting about 17 MPG around town, better on the highway.

Best suggestion, no offense intended, get your foot out of it if you want
better milage. Or, have blast and pay at the pump.

(Even with no mods, the 4.2 is pretty gutsy!)

- - Pete

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:24:26 -0500
From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Todd Wozniak)
Subject: FTE 97up - New Truck

Picked up my new F250 SD CC V-10 Lariet 4x4 3.73 Short bed, on April 5.
Wow! What a truck, and it still fits in the garage, barely. Ordered it
on Nov 1. Thanks to all who posted comments and suggestions. I'm enjoying
breaking in the motor and the looks it gets as I fly down the road. Had
one of those Pace Edwards roller covers installed as well, works prety
well.

Thanks,



Todd W.
Chicago area


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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:45:08 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck

Todd
Is there a rubber weather strip on the inside bottom of your doors?
I have the same truck and it is missing the rubber!
Gene

Todd Wozniak wrote:

> Picked up my new F250 SD CC V-10 Lariet 4x4 3.73 Short bed, on April 5.
> Wow! What a truck, and it still fits in the garage, barely. Ordered it
> on Nov 1. Thanks to all who posted comments and suggestions. I'm enjoying
> breaking in the motor and the looks it gets as I fly down the road. Had
> one of those Pace Edwards roller covers installed as well, works prety
> well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd W.
> Chicago area
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:47:46 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel tank too small

If you want in-bed tanks, there's plenty of options.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://transferflow.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.aerotanks.com/
plus a number of local shops.

If you want underbed/ between the frame rail mounted tanks,
the only option is Aero. They make a 45 gallon replacement
and aux. tank. (aux tank requires you move the spare tire).

Someone makes a 27 gal. aux tank that drops the spare 4" lower.
I think it is aero.
If you talk to aero, and transfer flow they are like night and day.
Transfer flow is more expensive, but much more professional.
(I'm holding out for transfer flow.)

I've been trying to research replacing the 29 gal tank with a 38 gal
tank from a long bed. The dimensions look almost exact, but I'm
sure I don't have all the info yet. My favorite body shop says the
info is too new on the SD, so I have to call Ford's
tech line to see if they'll tell me.

I have a PSD :-).

My target is about 1000 mi crusing range unloaded, or about 600 loaded.
There's a weight penalty too, tanks/fuel. if you're paying attention to
the GVWR stuff.

John Luft wrote:

> Any recommendations on options for larger/auxillary fuel tank for '99 F250
> SD CC SB V-10? Is it pretty simple to do the switch/addition? I only get
> about 320 miles on the highway before the fuel light comes on ( it's the 29
> gallon tank). I don't mind the MPG so much as having to fill the tank so
> often. And no, switching to a PSD is not an option .
>
> Thanx,
>
> John
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:12:54 PDT
From: "Max ."
Subject: FTE 97up - Check Engine Light

The check engine light is on because the engine computer has stored a
DTC (diagnostic trouble code). A sensor or actuator on your truck is
out of wack. Here in California, to pass smog, the light being on
alone will fail the truck, regardless if the emission levels are ok.
As for turning off the light, the computer has to see that the
problem has gone away or you'll need a Snap-on Code Scanner or the
Ford NGS(the ford computer reader) to manually clear the DTC. If the
problem has not been fixed, the light will come back one. The light
is on for a reason......
Or you can say to hell with it a screw up you nice truck????



Can someone tell what is involved in getting the engine check
light turned off? It came one just as I was turning over 50K. On the
last other
brand PU I had the dealer wanted a handful of money saying all the
services were
required by law. I am over fifty miles from my dealer. The truck is
running like it did when new.


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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:19:34 -0400
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck

Gene,

Wrong Todd, but yes I have a large rubber weather strip on the bottom of all
4 doors. Many people have received their trucks without them. If you go to
the dealer, they will get them for you. Should cut down on road noise a
lot. I had one come off in the first two weeks of owning the truck, frozen
mud from offroading caused it to rip off when opening the door. I got my
truck in Oct. and since then a lot of people have been getting the trucks
without them.

- -Todd Schreiber

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck


>Todd
>Is there a rubber weather strip on the inside bottom of your doors?
>I have the same truck and it is missing the rubber!
>Gene
>
>Todd Wozniak wrote:
>
>> Picked up my new F250 SD CC V-10 Lariet 4x4 3.73 Short bed, on April 5.
>> Wow! What a truck, and it still fits in the garage, barely. Ordered it
>> on Nov 1. Thanks to all who posted comments and suggestions. I'm
enjoying
>> breaking in the motor and the looks it gets as I fly down the road. Had
>> one of those Pace Edwards roller covers installed as well, works prety
>> well.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Todd W.
>> Chicago area
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:42:41 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - wicked smoke.. evil looking.

Chris Patrick wrote:
>
> last week i towed my Jeep from st. louis to utah with the f-150. with the
> bed loaded, and trailer and jeep, i was sitting at about 5500#, plus
> passenger and driver.
>
> anyway, with the 4.2 v-6, fifth gear was a complete waste of time.. hit it,
> and the truck simply slowed down untill it stalled or i shifted out...
>
> 4th gear was fine, except it stayed at 3400 rpm, at 80mph.
>
> now heres my question...
>
> when i came to hills, or had to pass, i would have to shift to 3rd.. and run
> it up to 5300-5400 rpm to maintain speed... whenever it got above 4000 rpm,
> this evil looking blackish grey smoke poured outta the tailpipe, and i now
> have a black ring of filth about the last 3 inches of my pipe on the
> outside. once it dropped below 4k rpm it was fine...
>
> there was no loss of power, strange noises, fires or explosions, etc.
>
> now without the trailer, i regularly run it to redline and havent noticed
> any smoke...
>
> is this normal? the vehical has 6000 miles on it, ran 91 octane premiom feul
> from texaco, phillips 66, shell, and mobil the whole way out there and
> back... no "no-name" gas stations. oil level is still normal, as are all
> other fluids....
>
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Chris,

I would suggest what you experienced was normal. It sounds
like the PCM was running the fuel ratio on the rich side.
Usually this is to keep detonation down. Your peak
torque is at 3000 rpm so that explains why 5th gear was
useless and your max rpm was 3400 in 4th.
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:28:28 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge

Yes, That cartridge fit the OEM Ford-labled CD changer that came with the
truck from the factory.

Rob

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:24:24 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

I drove a F-250 SD S/C with the rear seat folded down, and noticed that it
is much louder this way than with it in the seating configuration.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 7:18 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,
>
>
> >Just wondering how owners of 1999 Superduty, gas engines,
> >compare the cab noise to previous 90's models? I travel a
> >lot of dirt roads local, many are wash board. Rattles and
> >road noise heard in the cab is much worst than my 1995 was.
> >Even on smooth black top, my old pickup I could be listening
> >to the radio at 30 mph and speed up to 65 and still hear it
> >fine, but not in this one. I also can feel a vibration in
> >the gas pedal just before each shift point, any others
> >feeling this?? Just retired and bought it to pull our 5th
> >wheel and do some traveling. But sorry to say at this point
> >its not comfortable traveling due to the noise. I have found
> >and fixed several rattles, such as the reservoir on left
> >hand inter fender and the wiring block same area. Inside
> >the plastic heater duct and a wiring connector behind the
> >glove box. These fixes have helped but still not what the
> >1995 was and this time we got the Lariat, not just the old
> >work truck. Maybe have to undercoat it next, has anyone
> >done that yet?? I still like the pickup, its a great puller
> >and a good looker. Just a little disappointed at the noise
> >level. Bill
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:29:57 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light

The Check engine light isn't like the old Dodge that came on at a specified
mileage. Most times they come on due to a emmisions problem. It isn't any
major thing (unless another light comes on with it), It can be caused by as
little as leaving your gas cap loose.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Adry Gimenez
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 3:22 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light


>
>
> That light is something that they put so you go back to the dealer. All
they do plug into the computer on the truck and turn it off through there.
The only suggestion I have for you is to let it burn out or just pop the
bulb, unless you wan`t to go to the dealer.
>
> becks2
>
>
>
> _______________________&____________________
>
>
>
> Engine Check Light
>
> Can someone tell what is involved in getting the engine
check light turned off? It came one just as I was turning over 50K. On the
last other brand PU I had the dealer wanted a handful of money saying all
the services were required by law. I am over fifty miles from my dealer. The
truck is
> running like it did when new.
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:26:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F550 Super Duty Made in Mexico?

The F-800 has been produced in Mexico, and now some F-450 and F-550's will
be built there (most still Kentucky), however, I haven't heard on the F-650
and F-750. But since they replace the F-800 I'd guess that they'll also be
Mexican.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Abraham
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 4:57 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - F550 Super Duty Made in Mexico?


> Any truth to this rumor that the F550 and higher will be
> produced south of the border? And if true, any chance
> the lower models like the F250 will join them?
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:31:31 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lumbar Adjustment

I don't know of any way to feasably add the lumbar unless you can find a
wrecked SD at a salvage yard and price trading.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: The Hepburn
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:45 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Lumbar Adjustment


> Hi Nathan.
>
> People on another Ford list are lamenting (to put it mildly) the loss of
> lumbar adjustment on the passenger seat - is there any way to add it
> by buying the parts from Ford, or aftermarket?
>
> Alan Hepburn
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:00:20 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..

A few quick questions for all the automatics and PSD's out thereI got case
of syn. Redline D4ATF for my '99 F250 PSD, wanting to do this myself, so what
kind of capacity am i looking at before i get into this, and anyone have a
recommendation on a good place for a trans filter.
Also where is the water drain for fuel filter on '99 PSD, since i am about to
do oil change too and this is my first diesel truck, tired of throwing away
money at the dealer! They charge an arm and a leg for oil change.

TIA,
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:41:08 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..

You'll have to check the owners manual, but I think the transmission is
in the vicinity of 16 quarts. Don't forget the torque converter.
You really want to get all the old stuff out if you are replacing
synthetic.

The fuel separator switch should be a yellow switch that's behind the fuel
filter bowl. It's on the drivers side of the fuel filter. The fuel filter bowl
is at the top of the block just behind the plastic "power stoke" cover.

If you're going to drain the fuel filter in the garage, you'd do yourself
a favor by hooking up a line to the fuel drain line, which is visible
trough the passenger side wheel well. Look in front of the
shock, and you should see a stainless line terminate where
the block and oil pan meet. Near the front of the block.
(3 or 4 ft, about 3/8" rubber hose??)

Otherwise you could experience your first diesel spill/cleanup too :-).

And I'm sure you know, but 14 qts of oil. Don't forget to prefill the oil
filter before reinstalling. It's almost 2qts just for the filter.

It's also a good idea to predrain the current oil filter by
poking the filter with a small nail or drill.
Makes it way easier when removing. Need a big oil filter
wrench or a strap wrench too. (good for fuel filter changes too)
(see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/ for fuel filters )


And for the fine details of this, also see...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com
Search the archives, this has been discussed at length.

Have fun ...
(I have a 4x4, and can squeeze a 5 gallon drum underneath the
oil pan. You probably have to buy a huge pan for the 2x4.)

- -john

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> A few quick questions for all the automatics and PSD's out thereI got case
> of syn. Redline D4ATF for my '99 F250 PSD, wanting to do this myself, so what
> kind of capacity am i looking at before i get into this, and anyone have a
> recommendation on a good place for a trans filter.
> Also where is the water drain for fuel filter on '99 PSD, since i am about to
> do oil change too and this is my first diesel truck, tired of throwing away
> money at the dealer! They charge an arm and a leg for oil change.
>
> TIA,
> Ross Smith
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:38:27 -0400
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog Lights

PIAA makes a couple different ones. I installed a nice little set of fog
lights each side of the front license plate. Hooked them up to the low
beams and voila, they can be switched on and off with the low beams.

Stephen
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From: Adry Gimenez
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:55 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Fog Lights


>
>I got a 99 F-350, CrewCab, Dully, Lariat, and I been looking for a pair of
hologen beam fog lights for it. I`m looking for something small enough that
will fit in the open space between the tow hooks. Any recomindations?????
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:23:02 -0700
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

Ask here on the list. I think that is where I heard about it. If not I'll
take a look around some of my old stomping grounds and see if I can root
one up for ya.

My computer plays simple Ta-Da. I had to rebuild my computer before I
started a new job so I have not had a chance to turn my creative talents
loose on it... yet.

At 00:15 04/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Where can I get that wav file? My wife only thinks the tune I play now is
>annoying
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JJ Thomas
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:58 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
>
>
>>To add,
>>
>>Your Windows start up WAV is a PS cranking over...
>>
>>-Julian want a diesel, will get gas...
>>

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:28:19 -0700
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

If I may ask, what type of mileage are you getting and what type of driving
do you do? Do think the V-10 is worth the extra $350. I am thinking of
getting either the V8 or the V10 Superduty.

TIA

- -Julian

At 10:22 04/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I've got a 99 Superduty SC F-250 V-10 manual transmission 4x4. The truck is
>very quiet in my estimation compared to cars even. The only noise problem I
>have is when the engine hits 2250 rpm, a resonance is set up in the exhaust
>and it can get pretty loud depending on how much load is on the engine at
>the time. This noise has decreased some since I first bought the truck, but
>is still noticeable. Whenever the truck is not near this rpm, above or
>below, its a very quiet vehicle. My only suggestion is to check the rubber
>gaskets on the bottoms of the doors. I've heard that some vehicles arrived
>without them, and in this case a lot of extra road and wind noise might be
>entering the cab because of it.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:59:24 -0500
From: "John Bell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

I"m getting anywhere from 12.5 to 14mpg. with my V10.(99 SD/SC 2wd).YES!!!!
it's worth the money....this truck is strong.Traded a 97 F150 with 4.6
litre....this Super Duty,in spite of it's much greater size and weight,
would suck the headlights out of my old F150.Great fun "buzzin" sporty cars
on the interstate.(hehe).Which ever you choose...they're great trucks. J.B.
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From: JJ Thomas
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,


>If I may ask, what type of mileage are you getting and what type of driving
>do you do? Do think the V-10 is worth the extra $350. I am thinking of
>getting either the V8 or the V10 Superduty.
>
>TIA
>
>-Julian
>
>At 10:22 04/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I've got a 99 Superduty SC F-250 V-10 manual transmission 4x4. The truck
is
>>very quiet in my estimation compared to cars even. The only noise problem
I
>>have is when the engine hits 2250 rpm, a resonance is set up in the
exhaust
>>and it can get pretty loud depending on how much load is on the engine at
>>the time. This noise has decreased some since I first bought the truck,
but
>>is still noticeable. Whenever the truck is not near this rpm, above or
>>below, its a very quiet vehicle. My only suggestion is to check the
rubber
>>gaskets on the bottoms of the doors. I've heard that some vehicles
arrived
>>without them, and in this case a lot of extra road and wind noise might be
>>entering the cab because of it.
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:16:07 -0400
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

The way I look at it is that many people are spending $350 plus on exhaust
just to get an extra 10HP from their engine. Upgrading to the V-10 is by
far the cheapest way you will ever be able to increase torque and horsepower
of your engine. Super-chargers, chips, headers, intakes, etc. will all
cost an arm and a leg in comparison of price/performance ratio to the extra
$350 for the V-10. Having said that, the new improved V-10, which should
come out sometime, might be worth waiting for. I'm not overly impressed
with the power of the V-10 over 3.73 gears. Its improved somewhat with
time, but it still isn't a screamer.

As for gas mileage, I get 14 mpg highway with a fiberglass cab-high cap on
the back, empty. Other than long highway trips, I haven't even bothered to
calculate gas mileage, nor do I really care. I know the V-10 and the V-8
get very similar mileages, so mileage wasn't really an issue when deciding
which engine to get.



- -----Original Message-----
From: JJ Thomas
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,


>If I may ask, what type of mileage are you getting and what type of driving
>do you do? Do think the V-10 is worth the extra $350. I am thinking of
>getting either the V8 or the V10 Superduty.
>
>TIA
>
>-Julian
>
>At 10:22 04/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I've got a 99 Superduty SC F-250 V-10 manual transmission 4x4. The truck
is
>>very quiet in my estimation compared to cars even. The only noise problem
I
>>have is when the engine hits 2250 rpm, a resonance is set up in the
exhaust
>>and it can get pretty loud depending on how much load is on the engine at
>>the time. This noise has decreased some since I first bought the truck,
but
>>is still noticeable. Whenever the truck is not near this rpm, above or
>>below, its a very quiet vehicle. My only suggestion is to check the
rubber
>>gaskets on the bottoms of the doors. I've heard that some vehicles
arrived
>>without them, and in this case a lot of extra road and wind noise might be
>>entering the cab because of it.
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:55:38 -0500
From: "Kenneth L. Collier Jr."
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light

On other brands of vehicles I have turned the check engine light off
by disconnecting the battery cable for a few minutes (10 min. to be
sure).
If you are not concerned about any possible problems with your truck,
then
try this. I have heard that this light is designed to turn on in order
to entice
the owner to take the truck back to the dealer for service. Hope this
works.

KLC

>Engine Check Light
>
> Can someone tell what is involved in getting the engine
check light turned off?

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:07:46 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cab noise 1999 F-250 SD, SC,

Nathan,
I noticed the same thing in my f-350 SC on the way home from a fishing trip.
At first I thought that I had left a door ajar. I even stopped and checked
all doors. I think that the noise may be from the rubber flaps that they
install in the rear of the cab to decrease the air-tight cab when closing the
doors. These would be covered with the seat up.
By the way Nathan, my truck is in the shop right now having the newest air
box fix installed , along with a few other things, including that pesty turbo
bolt that keeps on coming loose. Thanks for the numbers and advice.
Steve Ng....The FishNg1....Gig Harbor, WA
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:56:47 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - trans filter& 4R100 trans capacity..

In a message dated 99-04-07 18:41:27 EDT, you write:


thanks for all the info, i got engine oil done, i guess i might need some
more ATF, i will check the book though. thanks for all the info i will give
a gander to drain the water. I do know a few things from my car racing, but
this isnt all custom stuff so i have to scratch my head when theres no
aluminum all over the place and plenty of room to work. i will come up with
something for drain, im sure i got something around.

I was wondering if there was a better way than to take a oil bath when
removeing filter, i didnt even think about putting a hole in it!

Yep thats what i use 5 gallon bucket! everyone laughs at me when i tell them
i use it with truck on the ground.

Ross Smith
99F250 SD PSD/SC/4x4
9sec93cobra



You'll have to check the owners manual, but I think the transmission is
in the vicinity of 16 quarts. Don't forget the torque converter.
You really want to get all the old stuff out if you are replacing
synthetic.

The fuel separator switch should be a yellow switch that's behind the fuel
filter bowl. It's on the drivers side of the fuel filter. The fuel filter
bowl
is at the top of the block just behind the plastic "power stoke" cover.

If you're going to drain the fuel filter in the garage, you'd do yourself
a favor by hooking up a line to the fuel drain line, which is visible
trough the passenger side wheel well. Look in front of the
shock, and you should see a stainless line terminate where
the block and oil pan meet. Near the front of the block.
(3 or 4 ft, about 3/8" rubber hose??)

Otherwise you could experience your first diesel spill/cleanup too :-).

And I'm sure you know, but 14 qts of oil. Don't forget to prefill the oil
filter before reinstalling. It's almost 2qts just for the filter.

It's also a good idea to predrain the current oil filter by
poking the filter with a small nail or drill.
Makes it way easier when removing. Need a big oil filter
wrench or a strap wrench too. (good for fuel filter changes too)
(see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/ for fuel filters )


And for the fine details of this, also see...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com
Search the archives, this has been discussed at length.

Have fun ...
(I have a 4x4, and can squeeze a 5 gallon drum underneath the
oil pan. You probably have to buy a huge pan for the 2x4.)

-john
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:10:54 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II....


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