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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
Re: FTE 97up - fuel
Re: FTE 97up - fuel
RE: FTE 97up - fuel
RE: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II
FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge
Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
RE: FTE 97up - fuel
FTE 97up - Gas mileage
RE: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light
Re: FTE 97up - Gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
FTE 97up - Re: 99 PSD MPG
Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG
Re: FTE 97up - fuel

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:54:20 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

I've been reading with interest and humor about the pro's and con's of =
diesel versus gas. By filling my 99 PSD CC 4x4 6SPD LB up into the =
filler neck each tank, then using a calculator, I have been getting 19.6 =
mpg empty with 85% country two lane driving and 15% city. I don't have =
1,000 miles on yet so I have not been towing with it yet. Now the diesel =
versus gas (smile). I owned two big block Ford gassers before purchasing =
my first Ford with a diesel. When you are traveling the western states =
at high altitudes towing a 28' travel trailer, or hauling farm =
machinery, the gassers always have their tounge hanging out and you are =
always holding up traffic. With the previous PSD keeping up with the =
flow of traffic is not a problem and the fuel milage is twice what I got =
with my gassers. Is the cost of the diesel justified? I don't know and =
don't care. I want the performance the diesel delivers at all altitudes =
when loaded. BTW the diesel option cost me $ 3,850.00 when I ordered my =
99. Cheers!
Dan - Wisconsin

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:54:56 -0400
From: Pete Serrino
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel

At 10:35 PM 4/5/99 -0500, Glenn See wrote:
My 02's, driving habits affect mileage more
>than any one item.

When comparing fuel economy on gasoline engines don't overlook the effect
of oxygenates. Oxygenates reduce the energy content of gasoline. A blend
with 10% oxygenate will reduce fuel economy vs a blend with 5%, all else
being equal. Throughout the US the percentage varies quite a bit.

Pete Serrino

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:38:01 EDT
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel

Gary,

Yes, the PSD gets 17 mpg mixed driving and can tow 14,000# , but you have to
realize that we paid $4,000 dollars more for that option. I think it was
Frank, oh yes it was Frank that said we would never get out money out of PSD.
Its not the money (pay back) that made us get the PSD, its the performance.
A lot of us on the list are trying to get the good word out to the rest of
you, that the PSD is the way to go. Are intentions are not to brag, just
inform. I hope on your next purchase you will consider the PSD!

John Patterson
F250 PSD
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:03:08 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - fuel

Well, even though this Gas vs Diesel, mine is better than yours thread is
getting kind of old, I will contribute my 2 cents worth.

You do not always have to do or buy something because it makes good
sense.... Economic or otherwise.

For example: I got an F250SD with a V10. Why..... because I wanted
one! Not because I needed one. For the most part, an F150 with the
4.6L V8 would have been just fine.


So the moral of the story is neither one is better. Some people have an
application that fits one better than the other, and some just WANT it.

Now let's lay it to rest!


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:JPatte5238 aol.com [SMTP:JPatte5238 aol.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:38 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - fuel
>
> Gary,
>
> Yes, the PSD gets 17 mpg mixed driving and can tow 14,000# , but you have
> to
> realize that we paid $4,000 dollars more for that option. I think it was
> Frank, oh yes it was Frank that said we would never get out money out of
> PSD.
> Its not the money (pay back) that made us get the PSD, its the
> performance.
> A lot of us on the list are trying to get the good word out to the rest of
>
> you, that the PSD is the way to go. Are intentions are not to brag, just
> inform. I hope on your next purchase you will consider the PSD!
>
> John Patterson
> F250 PSD
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:59:41 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

DITTOS DAN, You are right on the money.

I've been reading with interest and humor about the pro's and con's of
diesel versus gas. By filling my 99 PSD CC 4x4 6SPD LB up into the filler
neck each tank, then using a calculator, I have been getting 19.6 mpg empty
with 85% country two lane driving and 15% city. I don't have 1,000 miles on
yet so I have not been towing with it yet. Now the diesel versus gas
(smile). I owned two big block Ford gassers before purchasing my first Ford
with a diesel. When you are traveling the western states at high altitudes
towing a 28' travel trailer, or hauling farm machinery, the gassers always
have their tounge hanging out and you are always holding up traffic. With
the previous PSD keeping up with the flow of traffic is not a problem and
the fuel milage is twice what I got with my gassers. Is the cost of the
diesel justified? I don't know and don't care. I want the performance the
diesel delivers at all altitudes when loaded. BTW the diesel option cost me
$ 3,850.00 when I ordered my 99. Cheers!
Dan - Wisconsin



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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:04:40 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II

FWIW, I have never seen a fan clutch that worked perfectly. Most of them
seem to stay engaged on startup for a little while until the fan freewheels
and the clutch starts to work. It probbably is just staying locked from when
the engine was warm then shut off, and it takes a while for it to freewheel
again. For instance, on my Bronco, when I start it I get a nice roaring fan
when the engine is cold until I've driven for a minute or two and then it
goes away.

Rob

> On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:56:15 PST, you wrote:
>
> :While at the annual SAE show in Detroit, I spoke with a couple of Eaton
> :employees at their booth, and discovered that they are the supplier of
> :the fan clutch for the F150. They also informed me that IT IS A
> :THERMOSTATICALLY CONTROLLED CLUTCH. I indicated that both my original
> :and dealer-replaced fan clutches both blow lots of air when the vehicle
> :is cold, before the engine thermostat ever opens up. They told me that
> :this should not be happening, as the thermostat band is what controls
> :the fluid going into the clutch. Engagement does not occur unless the
> :temp hitting the thermo band (from the radiator) is something like 170F.
> :Obviously a 30F morning and a cold truck shouldn't cause the clutch to
> :fully engage. It also cycles up and down all the time, no matter if
> :it's hot or cold. An Eaton rep is supposed to call me this week to talk
> :to me about this problem. I will report back my findings to the board.
> :
> :'99 F150 XLT SC/LB 4x4 5.4L tow pkg w/ARE cap
> :
> I"ll be interested to hear what you find out.
>
> Incidentally, my understanding of those fan clutches is a little
> different: As far as I know, the "clutch" isn't controlled by
> any external thermostat, but is simply a fluid which is thin when
> cold, and which gels up when "hot". It's built a little like the
> torque converter on an automatic transmission, and it should
> have lots of slip while it is cold, and it should have very
> little slip when it (and the engine and radiator around it) are
> up to some operating temp which is considered "normal" or a
> little above "normal".
>
> Keep us posted!
>
> Later,
> Alan
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:55:02 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 Model CD Changer cartridge

Hi all,

For all of you with a '99 truck with a factory CD changer, here's some info
that can save you some money. My dad has a '99 Expedition EB with a CD
changer, and he wanted an extra cartridge for it. The dealer wanted over $80
for it. I told him to skip that and I'd find him one elsewhere. Knowing that
the changer is made by Clarion, I went to some stereo shops to find one that
would fit. I found it finally (took a while to find a shop that carried
Clarion, and stocked cartridges). It is model # CAA-355-600 and ran about
$38. Sitll expensive, but less than half the price Ford asks. It is
identical except this one doesn't have all the warning labels of the Ford
cartridge.

Rob
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:29:39 -0500
From: "Jaeger & Daly & College Planners Inc."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

Good Point Dan;
__I've been lurking on the www.tstproducts.com list site as
TurboDiesel listbot.com site for the last 40 days or so & have come to the
same opinion which is why I am about to order my PS.
__It's nice to know what part of the country PS owners are from & what
modifications they have done on the trucks.
__Harold in the Chicago Area... & soon to be the owner of my first F-350 PS.
First time on this site.

_
- ----- Original Message -----
From: DanBrotzman
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 7:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG


> I've been reading with interest and humor about the pro's and con's of
diesel versus gas. By filling my 99 PSD CC 4x4 6SPD LB up into the filler
neck each tank, then using a calculator, I have been getting 19.6 mpg empty
with 85% country two lane driving and 15% city. I don't have 1,000 miles on
yet so I have not been towing with it yet. Now the diesel versus gas
(smile). I owned two big block Ford gassers before purchasing my first Ford
with a diesel. When you are traveling the western states at high altitudes
towing a 28' travel trailer, or hauling farm machinery, the gassers always
have their tounge hanging out and you are always holding up traffic. With
the previous PSD keeping up with the flow of traffic is not a problem and
the fuel milage is twice what I got with my gassers. Is the cost of the
diesel justified? I don't know and don't care. I want the performance the
diesel delivers at all altitudes when loaded. BTW the diesel option cost me
$ 3,850.00 when I ordered my 99. Cheers!
> Dan - Wisconsin
>

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:58:44 -0400
From: "Dave Slomer"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - fuel

Hey, guys... Before you get TOO sick about YOUR mileage...

(1) I have a 97 F350 GAS duallie V8 7.5L auto trans and get 8mpg (+ or - 1)
when towing a 32 foot, 3 or 4 ton fifth wheel. I'll NEVER see 10mpg. (not
complaining, but I don't get 10 very often doing stop-and-go driving (no
long trips without trailer)). I never thought I'd get 15, but, gee, I
thought 11 or 12 wasn't out of the question.

(2) I'm of the opinion that those 'wings' for the top of the cab that
prevent so much turbulence would be standard equipment (or at least
manufacturer option) if they worked, with or without trailers. Agree?

(3) When I go out West, is there anything to do to insure that I DO make it
up all those steep grades at high altitude? (trade in for a PSD is NOT an
option!)

Dave Slomer
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> All of this fuel economy with the psd is making me sick about my truck,
> >> I have a 97 f150 4.2l v6 5spd with 3.08 gears, the best it has ever
done
> >> was 17.5 on a trip and around 10.5 in town, that is with nothing in it
> >> or behind it. All of you out there with the psd and are getting 17mpg
> >> (sounds good to me) out of them remember that you can tow about 10000#
> >> more than I can. Gary


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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:15:52 -0700
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - Gas mileage

How about an update on the 6.8 and 5.4 mpg
I am getting 10.4 mpg with the 6.8 4X4 and 3.73 gears!
And a heavy foot!
Gene

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:25:55 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com/
Jeff

- -----Original Message-----
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College Planners Inc.
Sent:Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:30 AM
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com; 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

Good Point Dan;
__I've been lurking on the www.tstproducts.com list site as
TurboDiesel listbot.com site for the last 40 days or so & have come to the
same opinion which is why I am about to order my PS.
__It's nice to know what part of the country PS owners are from & what
modifications they have done on the trucks.
__Harold in the Chicago Area... & soon to be the owner of my first F-350 PS.
First time on this site.

_
- ----- Original Message -----
From: DanBrotzman
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 7:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG


> I've been reading with interest and humor about the pro's and con's of
diesel versus gas. By filling my 99 PSD CC 4x4 6SPD LB up into the filler
neck each tank, then using a calculator, I have been getting 19.6 mpg empty
with 85% country two lane driving and 15% city. I don't have 1,000 miles on
yet so I have not been towing with it yet. Now the diesel versus gas
(smile). I owned two big block Ford gassers before purchasing my first Ford
with a diesel. When you are traveling the western states at high altitudes
towing a 28' travel trailer, or hauling farm machinery, the gassers always
have their tounge hanging out and you are always holding up traffic. With
the previous PSD keeping up with the flow of traffic is not a problem and
the fuel milage is twice what I got with my gassers. Is the cost of the
diesel justified? I don't know and don't care. I want the performance the
diesel delivers at all altitudes when loaded. BTW the diesel option cost me
$ 3,850.00 when I ordered my 99. Cheers!
> Dan - Wisconsin
>

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adry Gimenez
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Engine Check Light

That light is something that they put so you go back to the dealer. All they do plug into the computer on the truck and turn it off through there. The only suggestion I have for you is to let it burn out or just pop the bulb, unless you wan`t to go to the dealer.

becks2



_______________________&____________________



Engine Check Light

Can someone tell what is involved in getting the engine check light turned off? It came one just as I was turning over 50K. On the last other brand PU I had the dealer wanted a handful of money saying all the services were required by law. I am over fifty miles from my dealer. The truck is
running like it did when new.

__
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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:04:56 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gas mileage

6.8, 4.30, 2wd, empty my wife gets 15 to 15.6 mpg at 65 - 70
mph without speed control.
I get 13 to 14 mpg driving the same speed with speed control
on.
towing #9500 it gets 7.5 to 8mpg using speed control.

Gene Ball wrote:
>
> How about an update on the 6.8 and 5.4 mpg
> I am getting 10.4 mpg with the 6.8 4X4 and 3.73 gears!
> And a heavy foot!
> Gene
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:09:15 -0500
From: "Jaeger & Daly & College Planners Inc."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

Thanks Jeff;

I checked out the article on T-Red... was very interesting.

Seems this Diesel thing is becomming an obsession... I'll have to call the
Ford dealer to see if I can order my 2000 F350 now.

Thought Y'all might enjoy the following perspective...

Ford Diesel is featured but It takes in ALL diesel nuts, Dodge owners,
Chev
owners etc.
- ----------------------
You know you are a diesel freak when you...
After getting out of your truck you can't take more than ten steps before
looking back to make sure it's still there.
The racket it makes when it's started in the morning sounds sweeter than
the opening chords of Beethoven's 9th.
You honestly think no perfume smells as good as diesel exhaust.
Your spousal unit begins to wonder why you're suddenly volunteering to run

all the errands.
You record fuel consumption, mileage, oil changes, and other significant
events in the life of your truck with such care and accuracy that the most

picky NASA scientist would conclude you're overdoing it.
Three different neighbors have called the police after they've seen you
just
sitting in your truck - at 1:00 o'clock in the morning.
You're rolling out of Las Vegas headed for L.A., it's 110 degrees at 10:00

a.m. and you're pulling 11,000 lbs of trailer up the stateline grade when
you
see a Dodge Cummins ahead and know that life as you know it will end if
you
don't pass and render it a speck in your rearview mirror.
You hear the word "bible" and immediate think "owner's manual."
You find yourself looking at maps to see if there isn't some way to drive
to
Europe instead of flying.
Every Monday morning as you drive up the street, your neighbors are
frantically running to the curb with their trash cans thinking that the
garbage truck has arrived three hours early. You laugh with glee.
The kids waiting for the school bus begin to pick up their books only to
find
out someone put a t444e in a pickup. You grin and wave as you motor by.
You roll down the window on a cold day while driving just to hear the
motor.
When driving through a tunnel or long underpass you slightly slow down
just
to hear the motor reverberate off the walls.
Your wife dabs diesel fuel behind her ears when she "wants your
attention".
You drive around with a ton of gravel just cuz it seems right.
You can't eat and drive when you are not carrying a load.
You pull up to places that have valet parking and purposefully make sure
your
exhaust is placed so that you can fill the main entry with diesel fumes.
You buy a laptop computer for your fiver so you can keep in touch when
you're
on the road.
You set The Ford Diesel Website page on your browser as your default
"home"
page so ya never miss a post!
With less than 100 miles on a new Power Stroke, you ve already got it
partially disassembled to add a winch, larger fuel tanks, exhaust & turbo
system modifications, additional instruments, CB, an exhaust brake and a
class 5 trailer hitch.
Sports cars no longer interest you because they can t haul a cord of wood
in
the back and two cords in the trailer.
You put the exhaust right beside the snobs in the convertible on the
interstate and floor it!
When pulling in to your local convenience store, you target the poor sap
on
the outdoor pay phone so they can enjoy the idle mode of the Power Stroke
while you run in to get that cold one.

__Harold in the Chicago Area.

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:36:03 -0700
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

To add,

Your Windows start up WAV is a PS cranking over...

- -Julian want a diesel, will get gas...

At 17:09 04/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks Jeff;
>
>I checked out the article on T-Red... was very interesting.
>
>Seems this Diesel thing is becomming an obsession... I'll have to call the
>Ford dealer to see if I can order my 2000 F350 now.
>
>Thought Y'all might enjoy the following perspective...
>
>Ford Diesel is featured but It takes in ALL diesel nuts, Dodge owners,
>Chev
>owners etc.
>----------------------
>You know you are a diesel freak when you...
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:23:47 EDT
From: Speir2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 PSD MPG

I have owned 5 Chev 2 Ford 1 Dodge PU's before the 99 Ford
SD SC F 250 PSD I now have over 7000 miles on it, I use a log
to keep MPG Towing a 7300 TT it is 12.4 non-towing it is 19.01
average for all diesel put in the tank. As for the $4450.00 extra
for the diesel engine, I had a 94 Chev 350 that struggled when
towing the TT at 8.4 MPG speed dropped off bad going up hill's
The PSD when I set the CC on 2000 RPM at 68 MPH it stay's
there with out a struggle, I am amazed at the ease the engine
seems to enjoy the load, I have enjoyed this PU better than
any vehicle ever owned no ego about it just great performance
at it best as I cruise the road with the TT attached.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:15:22 -0400
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG

Where can I get that wav file? My wife only thinks the tune I play now is
annoying


- -----Original Message-----
From: JJ Thomas
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PSD MPG


>To add,
>
>Your Windows start up WAV is a PS cranking over...
>
>-Julian want a diesel, will get gas...
>
>At 17:09 04/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Thanks Jeff;
>>
>>I checked out the article on T-Red... was very interesting.
>>
>>Seems this Diesel thing is becomming an obsession... I'll have to call the
>>Ford dealer to see if I can order my 2000 F350 now.
>>
>>Thought Y'all might enjoy the following perspective...
>>
>>Ford Diesel is featured but It takes in ALL diesel nuts, Dodge owners,
>>Chev
>>owners etc.
>>----------------------
>>You know you are a diesel freak when you...
>==========/ snip/ ==========
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:44:07 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel

JPatte5238 aol.com wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
> Yes, the PSD gets 17 mpg mixed driving and can tow 14,000# , but you have to
> realize that we paid $4,000 dollars more for that option. I think it was
> Frank, oh yes it was Frank that said we would never get out money out of PSD.
> Its not the money (pay back) that made us get the PSD, its the performance.
> A lot of us on the list are trying to get the good word out to the rest of
> you, that the PSD is the way to go. Are intentions are not to brag, just
> inform. I hope on your next purchase you will consider the PSD!....


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