97up-list-digest Saturday, April 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 081



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - F-450 or 550
FTE 97up - Re: PSD Fuel Filter
[none]
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals
FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe
FTE 97up - Fuel Economy
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II
FTE 97up - Re:
RE: FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe
Re: FTE 97up - F-450 or 550

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:23:54 -0800
From: Dan Healy
Subject: FTE 97up - F-450 or 550

Anyone have a 450 or 550? I am considering trading in a 96 Dodge 3500
(Nothing but HEADACHES) for a new 450 or 550, I primarily carry ro\ck,
dirt and was wondering if anyone had one and what there comments are? I
want a Diesel...
Thanks D Healy http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.healysland.com

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:30:47 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Fuel Filter

> >>Does anyone know where I can get a fuel filter for the 99 psd other than
> from ford.
>
Got mine off the shelf at Discount Auto. Sounds like the parts stores in your
area don't see many Powerstrokes (but they will now!).

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Gary Brinck...
in Florida's Ocala National Forest


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:29:37 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: [none]

John,
My local auto parts store is fully stocked with original equipment Ford
filters. The fuel filter kit costs $40.00, far less then the $60.00 plus
Ford charges.

Scott Matus
in Colorado

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:32:14 -0800
From: "John E. Nichols"
Subject: FTE 97up - Diesel fuel filter

Does anyone know where I can get a fuel filter for the 99 psd other than

from ford. I have tried all of the local parts stores and no one has
it
including NAPA, they said it was backordered. I'm past 20,000 miles
and would like to replace it soon.

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:40:22 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:47:18 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe

Ross,
I talked with my parts dealer after pulling the part number off of one of
his trucks on the lot of the same wheel base. It did take some
cross-referencing on his part, but I eventually got a number that he could
place the order. My 176" WB pipe cost $71.00 (got some discount), but the
price of a new cat is well over $400. I'll just store it away.

Installation will be the hassle this weekend.

Scott.
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:56:50 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement

In a message dated 99-04-01 09:45:26 EST, you write:


where did you get it, I already have A cat back on My PSD and was wanting to
do away with cat, and didnt really feel like punching it out. any info from
where you got it would be appretiated.
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:52:47 -0800
From: paul
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy

I'm rather jealous of all of you who are getting 17mpg and up with your
diesels. I have a '99 F350 PSD crew cab, dually and over the first 3500
miles I get right at 14mpg (plus or minus 0.3) empty with 80/20
hwy/town, and right at 10mpg (plus or minus 0.5) towing a 10.5-11.5k
5th wheel (depending on whether full or empty H20). I drive very
conservatively, 60-65mph empty and 58 mph towing, with smooth
accelleration at all times. The truck is completely stock with the
excpeption of Roll-a-Long cosmetics. Any thoughts on what might be
causing this and whether this is enough difference to go looking for a
problem?

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:23:57 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy

A couple of questions come to mind. Auto or manual trans? Limited slip
rear? Limited slip is only on the 4.10 rear so you'll lose a mile or two
per gal. there. If yes to the above then you are probably close to what you
will be getting as far as mileage is concerned.

At 08:52 AM 4/2/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm rather jealous of all of you who are getting 17mpg and up with your
>diesels. I have a '99 F350 PSD crew cab, dually and over the first 3500
>miles I get right at 14mpg (plus or minus 0.3) empty with 80/20
>hwy/town, and right at 10mpg (plus or minus 0.5) towing a 10.5-11.5k
>5th wheel (depending on whether full or empty H20). I drive very
>conservatively, 60-65mph empty and 58 mph towing, with smooth
>accelleration at all times. The truck is completely stock with the
>excpeption of Roll-a-Long cosmetics. Any thoughts on what might be
>causing this and whether this is enough difference to go looking for a
>problem?
>
>Thanks
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:30:40 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy

What rear end do you have? 3.73 or 4:10? Tire size 215 or 235?
What's your RPM at 65? Are you over 2000 RPM? If yes, that could
partially explain your milage. Also check your tire pressure. Try 70-75% of
rated max pressure.
Do you have 4x4 w/wout auto hubs? Automatic?
And I hope your doing the milage calculations other than the trip
computer...

Granted, you have a much larger wind profile, but 14 seems a bit on the low
side.

Depending on the answers above, you may want to then look into
the engine side of things.

I have a 99 4x4 SC Short bed w/ Auto SRW. 265 tires 65lbs. Gets
14-16 around town, 19+ from San Jose to Los Angeles (relatively unloaded)
67 or so mph (1950 RPM), and as high as 20.8 coming back from Las Vegas
via Death Valley (speeds below 55 MPH) Truck unloaded, w/ full tank
weighs 7000 lbs.

Also check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel. com (jasons new/improved site)

paul wrote:

> I'm rather jealous of all of you who are getting 17mpg and up with your
> diesels. I have a '99 F350 PSD crew cab, dually and over the first 3500
> miles I get right at 14mpg (plus or minus 0.3) empty with 80/20
> hwy/town, and right at 10mpg (plus or minus 0.5) towing a 10.5-11.5k
> 5th wheel (depending on whether full or empty H20). I drive very
> conservatively, 60-65mph empty and 58 mph towing, with smooth
> accelleration at all times. The truck is completely stock with the
> excpeption of Roll-a-Long cosmetics. Any thoughts on what might be
> causing this and whether this is enough difference to go looking for a
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 02:34:18 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II

On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:56:15 PST, you wrote:

:While at the annual SAE show in Detroit, I spoke with a couple of Eaton=20
:employees at their booth, and discovered that they are the supplier of=20
:the fan clutch for the F150. They also informed me that IT IS A=20
:THERMOSTATICALLY CONTROLLED CLUTCH. I indicated that both my original=20
:and dealer-replaced fan clutches both blow lots of air when the vehicle=20
:is cold, before the engine thermostat ever opens up. They told me that=20
:this should not be happening, as the thermostat band is what controls=20
:the fluid going into the clutch. Engagement does not occur unless the=20
:temp hitting the thermo band (from the radiator) is something like 170F.=
=20
:Obviously a 30F morning and a cold truck shouldn't cause the clutch to=20
:fully engage. It also cycles up and down all the time, no matter if=20
:it's hot or cold. An Eaton rep is supposed to call me this week to talk=
=20
:to me about this problem. I will report back my findings to the board.
:
:'99 F150 XLT SC/LB 4x4 5.4L tow pkg w/ARE cap
:
I"ll be interested to hear what you find out.

Incidentally, my understanding of those fan clutches is a little
different: As far as I know, the "clutch" isn't controlled by
any external thermostat, but is simply a fluid which is thin when
cold, and which gels up when "hot". It's built a little like the
torque converter on an automatic transmission, and it should
have lots of slip while it is cold, and it should have very
little slip when it (and the engine and radiator around it) are
up to some operating temp which is considered "normal" or a
little above "normal".

Keep us posted!

Later,
Alan
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:56:14 EST
From: KCochran1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:

In a message dated 4/2/99 9:31:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Matus.Scott.A tci.com writes:

> My local auto parts store is fully stocked with original equipment Ford
> filters. The fuel filter kit costs $40.00, far less then the $60.00 plus
> Ford charges.
>

If you're paying $40, you'e nuts. DIS has them for $13.99 or $13.12 / 5 or
more.

DIS is at: dieselpage.com


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:14:28 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe

Scott,
Do you have the part number for the 172" WB.

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:09:13 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-450 or 550

Dan Healy wrote:
>
> Anyone have a 450 or 550? I am considering trading in a 96 Dodge 3500
> (Nothing but HEADACHES) for a new 450 or 550, I primarily carry ro\ck,
> dirt and was wondering if anyone had one and what there comments are?

I've got an F450 Crew Cab - picked it up a week ago and so far it's
everything I expected, and more. With a custom service body for fifth
wheel towing it tips the scales at 8500 lbs, and got 12 mpg on its
first tank of fuel driving 65 to 70 mph on the freeway with no payload.
COnsidering its weight, and the fact that its got a 4.88:1 axle I'm
not disappointed.

Alan Hepburn

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