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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: PSD vs V10
FTE 97up - Cat Replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Re:Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Diesel fuel filter
RE: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
RE: FTE 97up - Diesel fuel filter
FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - V10 horsepower in 2000?
Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil
Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield
Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil
Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil
FTE 97up - Re:PTO
Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply
FTE 97up - Lumbar Adjustment
Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Frank and Bill
Re: FTE 97up - Frank and Bill
Re: FTE 97up - Frank and Bill
RE: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Speed-o Recall

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:23:46 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD vs V10

Frank wrote:

> You are also the first to Claim better than 17 MPG.
>
Then I'll be the second... my 99 PSD is consistently delivering a minimum
of 18 mpg and up to 20 on occasion. That's unloaded, of course.

> Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
> with the longevity, and economy.
>
While I wouldn't argue with you on the payback or the fact that some
(many?) folks have bought the diesel for just that reason, those of us who
tow BIG trailers (I have a 10,000# 5W RV) buy the diesel for the extra
torque. and the improved towing economy. We absolutely need the massive
torque and the PSD delivers it with much better economy than the V10
anyway. Does the towing economy pay for the engine? No, not that I can
see, but the fuel savings plus the enhanced trade-in value offset the extra
diesel cost enough so that I can afford to have the power I need.
- --
Gary Brinck...


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:40:38 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement

I received my intermediate pipe yesterday for my PSD from Ford, thus
replacing the Cat system. The pipe had to be shipped directly from Livonia
MI. The local parts distribution warehouses do not stock the unit yet. Our
state is not requiring Emissions on any Diesels at this time. If this ever
changes I'll just install the old cat piping. I'll post the findings that I
have with the new restriction free pipe. I will expect to see some
performance boost, but I don't know if my seat-of-the-pants dynamometer is
accurate enough to tell the difference.

Scott Matus.
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:42:17 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Ken Payne,

Anyway to filter out all this investment and psyche crap?

Charles,

F250 SUPEREGO PSD 4x4 SC Lariat in To-Be-Seen-In-Red.



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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:56:50 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement

In a message dated 99-04-01 09:45:26 EST, you write:


where did you get it, i already have A cat back on My PSD and was wanting to
do away with cat, and didnt really feel like punching it out. any info from
where you got it would be appretiated.

Ross Smith
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Date:99-04-01 09:45:26 EST
From:Matus.Scott.A tci.com (Matus, Scott A)
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I received my intermediate pipe yesterday for my PSD from Ford, thus
replacing the Cat system. The pipe had to be shipped directly from Livonia
MI. The local parts distribution warehouses do not stock the unit yet. Our
state is not requiring Emissions on any Diesels at this time. If this ever
changes I'll just install the old cat piping. I'll post the findings that I
have with the new restriction free pipe. I will expect to see some
performance boost, but I don't know if my seat-of-the-pants dynamometer is
accurate enough to tell the difference.

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:54:57 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

As of March 22nd, the national average retail price for diesel was $1.08,
which includes taxes. By region, Calif. was showing $1.27.

For more info goto:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ttnews.com/members/fuel/



mlester wrote:

> Gee, where do you live, you can get diesel fuel at .97 per gal.
>
> I'm in southern Calif. and it is 1.51 per gal this a.m. and 1.57 per gal
> this afternoon.
>
> regards
>
> Martial
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Moore
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:50 AM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:23:09 -0800
From: Dave Conde
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Whoa there Frank,
You sound of a man passionate about gas... maybe more so than the
original diesel owning poster. Although, somewhat kindly, your response
smacks of diesel owners fooling themselves regarding their purchase, a
mild but present insult. And while there is inevitably some chest
pounding exaggerations weaved into any man extolling the virtues of his
baby, I sense some of the same in your response. In any case, I gather
your willing to allow, but are suspect of the unloaded/highway
Powerstroke MPGs of 17. Ask around, and I think you'll find of anyone
who has owned one since it arrived in '94 and a 1/2, that under these
unhindered and ideal conditions, that the hwy mileage is around 20 mpg.
Personally, my '95 350 CC 4x4 used to get 22 mpg in the first year of
it's life. During that year, it ran on the 'Dime-thin" stock off-road
tires, and positively amazed me with it's highway going sipping of fuel
tanks. It averaged 16 mpg when doing the 'round town, some highway
scenario. Alas, that year passed quickly, and before I knew it the urge
to spruce it up ended in a 4" lift and 38" Cepek FC radials that,
without mercy, took my all mileage down to 15 mpg. Nowadays, it doesn't
matter what I do: unloaded highway going, around the town, hauling the
ski boat w/ MXers in the bed('bout as heavy duty as I get), or
high altitude stuff... I always get the same mileage: 15 mpg (a lot of
rolling friction in those tires).
Point is, I believe you mentioned 14 mpg as the comparison number for
the V10. I don't own one, so I certainly can't know, but this, I assume
is as high an mpg as one can probably expect from this impressive
engine. Your calculated 17 mpg is NOT as good as it gets for the owner
of a Powerstroke. You're spot on with battery costs doubling for a
deisel, but an extra $70-$130 every 4 or five years has only the
slightest of impacts. Around here, before the Silicon valley gas glut,
the best I paid for diesel was $1.01, while the best I paid for gas was
around $1.29. So, if one were more generous with the diesel's max mpg,
and adjusted for a national average of diesel versus gas prices
(definately in diesel's favor... for :o( now), we'd come out with a
drastically different picture than the one you've painted. How
different, I don't know. I'm too lazy to do the calcualtions.
Additionaly, if you want to add another comparison (all be it, a weak
one), how about service costs? While gas truck motors don't need valve
adjusts nearly as often as todays high-revving lil' 4 bangers, they
still need 'em. In my opinion, a valve adjustment or mechanical failure
are the only reasons I'll risk a service department touching a vehicle
of mine. For my truck, this means significantly lower service costs, in
the way of avoiding scheduled dealer maintenance intervals who's primary
valid purpose would be significant procedures such as valve adjusts. I
know realistically this doesn't amount to much more money than the
battery thing, but just thought I'd bring it up.
Granted, the Powerstroke is pretty damn expensive, but the $4000 retail
price you use in your calculations ain't the whole story if most of
these guys are gettin' their trucks for just over invoice. I believe
invoice on the option is somewhere between $3200 and $3400.

Man that's long-winded... sorry.

- --Dave


Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 03:47:25 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of
F250SDPSD/V10

My Good man...
You go ahead and "LOAD" your Pickup truck.....All the way to 5000 LBs if
you want, Up to 320 Cubic Feet Generous I admit...After all 5' X 8'
X
8' Would be a big pile of what ever your 5000 LBS is, And, Unless you
are Hauling Cocaine In a BALE that large, You are still not approaching
Economic Justification for your $4000 + Engine option.

You are also the first to Claim better than 17 MPG.

But then, Maybe you have a fifty Gallon Aux tank. in which case, My
figures would be wrong.

Just admit it....You got a diesel because you want it.

After all, there are only so many tree stumps to pull.

Point being....If you live near Rochester, your Body will be gone LONG
before you wear out your engine. Unless all you "haul" is your Airstream
on sunny summer days, in which case you Really don't understand the
economics of the situation.

As to The "220,000" Mile Claim...We also own High Milage wheels..The
Toyota that My wife drives Every day, is at 197,000 and counting, And I
have NEVER seen The inside of the Engine. The differance is the
oil....Keep it clean, Keep it full and you will not have Engine
problems, Unless there is a design defect, or the engine was poorly
assembled.

The other "part" of operating expenses is being glossed over, For
example batteries that you will replace, The gasser has one, the Diesel,
two, so that this minor but unavoidable expense has now doubled.

Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
long.

20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline

20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel

Differance $172.85 per year

Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same
the annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still
an almost 13 year payback.

Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
with the longevity, and economy.

If you are the rare bird that is doing 175K / year, you need to rethink
your route, and get a bigger truck.

I feel better.

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:37:36 -0800
From: Dave Conde
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Wow! so if I'd shopped for the 97 cent pkg of hotdogs instead of the
$3.17 hotdogs I just bought, that would be a significant savings over
the life of my truck? Sorry Brian, there's just no easy way factor in
the "if I invested it, instead of spending it" argument... where does it
end?

- -- Dave Conde


Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:32:45 -0800
From: Brian K Moberg
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

One aspect that I have yet to hear mentioned is the time value of money.
The $4000, even if very conservatively invested, will double to $8000 in
about 10 years. Therefore the effective payback point is longer if you
are only considering the dollars and cents. However, make no mistake
about it. The Powerstroke is one impressive engine. :-)
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:54:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

>
> Wow! so if I'd shopped for the 97 cent pkg of hotdogs instead of the
> $3.17 hotdogs I just bought, that would be a significant savings over
> the life of my truck? Sorry Brian, there's just no easy way factor in
> the "if I invested it, instead of spending it" argument... where does it
> end?
>
> -- Dave Conde
>

What about one of the main reasons of getting a PSD? Because it plain
kicks ass!

Yes, I could say that buying a mini Toyota will save money over the life
of the truck, but that is not an issue here.

If someone wants a PSD, and can afford it, get it. To heck with what others
say, and to heck with saving cash over the life of the truck.

I know my next pickup in a couple of years will be a PSD, barring unforseen
changes.
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:32:14 -0800
From: "John E. Nichols"
Subject: FTE 97up - Diesel fuel filter

Does anyone know where I can get a fuel filter for the 99 psd other than

from ford. I have tried all of the local parts stores and no one has
it
including NAPA, they said it was backordered. I'm past 20,000 miles
and would like to replace it soon.

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:01:27 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

DITTOS DOUG,
Sounds like we have a few tight asses out there! If you are worried about
saving a few bucks hear and there you do not need to be driving a truck this
size, gas or diesel. Fuel economy was the last thing I thought about when I
bought my truck.
People that worry about where every dime goes need to sit home and admire
check book. People with this penny bitching attitude do not deserve a real
truck.
MORE POWER - POWERSTROKE RULES

What about one of the main reasons of getting a PSD? Because it plain
kicks ass!

Yes, I could say that buying a mini Toyota will save money over the life
of the truck, but that is not an issue here.

If someone wants a PSD, and can afford it, get it. To heck with what others
say, and to heck with saving cash over the life of the truck.

I know my next pickup in a couple of years will be a PSD, barring unforseen
changes.


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:06:37 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Diesel fuel filter

This is where I buy all my 99 PSD supplies.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/index.htm
Jeff

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Sent:Thursday, April 01, 1999 2:32 PM
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Subject:FTE 97up - Diesel fuel filter

Does anyone know where I can get a fuel filter for the 99 psd other than

from ford. I have tried all of the local parts stores and no one has
it
including NAPA, they said it was backordered. I'm past 20,000 miles
and would like to replace it soon.

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:58:53 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

I for one don't see how anyone can truly believe one truck is better than
another due to the type of engine. Everyone uses there truck for different
things for different amounts of time. I go with a new ride approx every 4
years my father has a 10 year old suburban that is about to roll 200k.
Some people will never throw so much as a sheet of plywood in there SD and
others will drop 4000 lbs in it and try to tow a trailer at the same time.

I work in Prudhoe bay Alaska 2 weeks at a time. The other day I had 4000
lbs of product in the bed. We let our truck idle constantly when its cold,
essentially it runs from Sept to mid April. It is a 99 F350 crew cab w /
PSD. I wouldn't have any other truck in this situation.

On the other side of the coin I drive a F250 SC w/ 6.8l at home. My boat
and trailer run approx 10,000 lbs. I tow it twice a year and every time I
do I have to admit I wish I had my work truck. The other 99.9 % of the
time you couldn't pay me to drive that noisy diesel. I don't like the way
the power comes on and quite frankly think diesel is gutless when it comes
to daily driving. At the same time the diesel doesn't change a lick between
being empty and having 4000 lbs in it.

I have towed my boat with two other vehicles a 98 PSD and a 90's chev. with
a 454 and dual rear wheels. With all three vehicles it is unpleasant. the
trailer is about 35 feet long and has three axles. All three trucks got
jerked all over the road and felt pretty much gutless. the PSD was by far
the best but by all means it wasn't pretty.

What it all boils down to is, what you are planing to use you vehicle for,
and to a large degree your personal preference. They are both great
trucks. I belive the money issue is about a wash either way. The gas
engine isn't as long lived, diesel parts are way more expensive. You could
calculator whip it to death and I'd bet you come up with approx the same
end cost. FYI I make a solid 6-8 mpg with my gas rig and couldn't care
less. As someone pointed out if I would have been after fuel economy I
wouldn't have bought a truck.
Again just personal preference and opinion.

pk


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:14:13 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Well said Perry!

Perry Klein wrote:

> I for one don't see how anyone can truly believe one truck is better than
> another due to the type of engine. Everyone uses there truck for different
> things for different amounts of time. I go with a new ride approx every 4
> years my father has a 10 year old suburban that is about to roll 200k.
> Some people will never throw so much as a sheet of plywood in there SD and
> others will drop 4000 lbs in it and try to tow a trailer at the same time.
>
> I work in Prudhoe bay Alaska 2 weeks at a time. The other day I had 4000
> lbs of product in the bed. We let our truck idle constantly when its cold,
> essentially it runs from Sept to mid April. It is a 99 F350 crew cab w /
> PSD. I wouldn't have any other truck in this situation.
>
> On the other side of the coin I drive a F250 SC w/ 6.8l at home. My boat
> and trailer run approx 10,000 lbs. I tow it twice a year and every time I
> do I have to admit I wish I had my work truck. The other 99.9 % of the
> time you couldn't pay me to drive that noisy diesel. I don't like the way
> the power comes on and quite frankly think diesel is gutless when it comes
> to daily driving. At the same time the diesel doesn't change a lick between
> being empty and having 4000 lbs in it.
>
> I have towed my boat with two other vehicles a 98 PSD and a 90's chev. with
> a 454 and dual rear wheels. With all three vehicles it is unpleasant. the
> trailer is about 35 feet long and has three axles. All three trucks got
> jerked all over the road and felt pretty much gutless. the PSD was by far
> the best but by all means it wasn't pretty.
>
> What it all boils down to is, what you are planing to use you vehicle for,
> and to a large degree your personal preference. They are both great
> trucks. I belive the money issue is about a wash either way. The gas
> engine isn't as long lived, diesel parts are way more expensive. You could
> calculator whip it to death and I'd bet you come up with approx the same
> end cost. FYI I make a solid 6-8 mpg with my gas rig and couldn't care
> less. As someone pointed out if I would have been after fuel economy I
> wouldn't have bought a truck.
> Again just personal preference and opinion.
>
> pk
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:28:19 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 horsepower in 2000?

I'd be willing to bet on it, but their probably won't be anything official
until June or July.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Sven Setterdahl
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:43 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 horsepower in 2000?


> I just read on Blue Oval News that the Excursion will have a 300hp,
430ft.-lb. 6.8L V10. Any word whether the Super
> Duties will get the same engine?
>
> Sven
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:29:22 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil

Run the 5W30, Ford is now recomending 5W30 year around even for the engines
they'd previously recomended 10W30 (except Diesel).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Jon Berman
To: Ford truck mailing list
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:24 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil


> Hello,
>
> The owners manual for my recently purchased 1998 F-150, 2wd, auto, says
> to use 5w-30 engine oil. I live in Southern California and was wondering
> if 10w-30 would be a better choice, or does it make any difference?
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Jon
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:30:44 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield

It's eligible, They probably haven't done one yet. and think your refering
to the last TSB.

Nathan Bernard

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Schapker
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:34 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield


>
> I went in to the dealership today to order parts for the air box and brake
> shield. They said I would have to bring the truck in for an inspection
all
> day before they would order the parts. My truck is 1999 F350 C.C.
4X4,DRW,
> PSD built on 07/21/98. I do not understand this inspection which would
cause
> them to have my truck an extra day on two separate occasions. Is this
truck
> not eligible for these TSB's. Any comments or suggestions.
> Thank you,
> Jeff
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:23:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil

I thought I heard/read that Ford is no longer making 5W-30 Motorcraft oil.
Is this true? Either way, I think if Ford recommends 5W-30, I'll continue
to use it.

Danny


> Run the 5W30, Ford is now recomending 5W30 year around even for the engines
> they'd previously recomended 10W30 (except Diesel).
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:45:57 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil

Ford has switched to a hydrocracked base oil, but the 5W30 is still
available.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Gaudenti
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil


> I thought I heard/read that Ford is no longer making 5W-30 Motorcraft oil.
> Is this true? Either way, I think if Ford recommends 5W-30, I'll continue
> to use it.
>
> Danny
>
>
> > Run the 5W30, Ford is now recomending 5W30 year around even for the
engines
> > they'd previously recomended 10W30 (except Diesel).
> >
> > Nathan Bernard
> > Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:40:37 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:PTO

>
> Could I use the PTO to raise and lower the car on hydraulics to assist my
> getting in and out of the vehicle? IE: it's difficult for me to get up from
> a low sitting position, anything lower than say mid thigh hieght when I'm
> standing. Perhaps I could use the PTO for a purpose like that.
>
> C.K.

I think these are more easily done with an electro hyrdaulic pump, the
PTO pumps are more for longer run times, plus you have to run the
engine, and use high idle if you have auto trans. It would work
however.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:36:56 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply

Paul wrote:
>
> Alan,
> Check out the page below at Diesel Injection Services site for a mirror fix:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/art0299mf.htm
>
Thanks; I've looked at that. It's on my list of things to do when I feel
like breaking something!

Alan Hepburn


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:45:47 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: FTE 97up - Lumbar Adjustment

Hi Nathan.

People on another Ford list are lamenting (to put it mildly) the loss of
lumbar adjustment on the passenger seat - is there any way to add it
by buying the parts from Ford, or aftermarket?

Alan Hepburn


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:22:42 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> As of March 22nd, the national average retail price for diesel was $1.08,
> which includes taxes. By region, Calif. was showing $1.27.
>
> For more info goto:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ttnews.com/members/fuel/
>
According to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flyingj.com on 31 Mar their nationwide average was
$1.048, with a low of $0.879 in GA, MS, and SC and a high of $1.339 in CA.
Of course here in the SF Bay area of CA we're paying $1.449 and up...

Alan Hepburn


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:01:38 -0500
From: "Pete Elliott"
Subject: FTE 97up - Frank and Bill

Fellas, Fellas, Fellas ....

Everybody here knows that some portion of truck enthusiasm is directly
connected to testosterone. Everybody here, from us lowly F150 4.2L 4x2
regular cab SWB guys to the F450 PSD 4x4 guys, is partly interested because
we like trucks and the big size and the power and and and and..... Most
(but not all) of us have other reasons to own the beasts, and most (but not
all) admit that testosterone poisoning has influenced more than one
automobile (and electronics, and camping, and boating, and and and) purchase
in our lives. It's no secret!!!! It's also a waste of bandwidth for y'all
to go on calling each other names. Either meet halfway and fight, or let it
go.

Frank, if reading the posts on this list bothers you, do something else!
Stress is bad for your health.

Bill, don't take it all so personally. If you need, or want a PSD, that's
your business.

Lets get back to sharing information regarding our trucks so we can all
spend more time on the road and less time by the side of the road.

That's MY $.02.

(yes, I do feel better.)

- - Pete

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:38:22 -0600
From: "John Bell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Frank and Bill

Pete..well spoken.I'm on this list for useful info.If I was really
interested in childish "flame wars" I would be on a Chevy list.Just
drive..Dammit!!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Pete Elliott
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:18 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Frank and Bill


>Fellas, Fellas, Fellas ....
>
>Everybody here knows that some portion of truck enthusiasm is directly
>connected to testosterone. Everybody here, from us lowly F150 4.2L 4x2
>regular cab SWB guys to the F450 PSD 4x4 guys, is partly interested because
>we like trucks and the big size and the power and and and and..... Most
>(but not all) of us have other reasons to own the beasts, and most (but not
>all) admit that testosterone poisoning has influenced more than one
>automobile (and electronics, and camping, and boating, and and and)
purchase
>in our lives. It's no secret!!!! It's also a waste of bandwidth for y'all
>to go on calling each other names. Either meet halfway and fight, or let
it
>go.
>
>Frank, if reading the posts on this list bothers you, do something else!
>Stress is bad for your health.
>
>Bill, don't take it all so personally. If you need, or want a PSD, that's
>your business.
>
>Lets get back to sharing information regarding our trucks so we can all
>spend more time on the road and less time by the side of the road.
>
>That's MY $.02.
>
>(yes, I do feel better.)
>
>- Pete
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:14:43 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Frank and Bill

I totally agree. I got on this list to share useful info, when I get 30
emails about Frank and Bills opinions, I find it a waste of time to even
sort through them. No offense guys but lets talk about things that we can
all benefit from.

Mattb




>Pete..well spoken.I'm on this list for useful info.If I was really
>interested in childish "flame wars" I would be on a Chevy list.Just
>drive..Dammit!!

>
>
>>Fellas, Fellas, Fellas ....
>>
>>Everybody here knows that some portion of truck enthusiasm is directly
>>connected to testosterone. Everybody here, from us lowly F150 4.2L 4x2
>>regular cab SWB guys to the F450 PSD 4x4 guys, is partly interested
because
>>we like trucks and the big size and the power and and and and..... Most
>>(but not all) of us have other reasons to own the beasts, and most (but
not
>>all) admit that testosterone poisoning has influenced more than one
>>automobile (and electronics, and camping, and boating, and and and)
>purchase
>>in our lives. It's no secret!!!! It's also a waste of bandwidth for
y'all
>>to go on calling each other names. Either meet halfway and fight, or let
>it
>>go.
>>
>>Frank, if reading the posts on this list bothers you, do something else!
>>Stress is bad for your health.
>>
>>Bill, don't take it all so personally. If you need, or want a PSD, that's
>>your business.
>>
>>Lets get back to sharing information regarding our trucks so we can all
>>spend more time on the road and less time by the side of the road.
>>
>>That's MY $.02.
>>
>>(yes, I do feel better.)
>>
>>- Pete
>>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:10:50 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement

Though I didn't replace the Cat with a "intermediate" I did punch it out. I
can't say that there was much of a performance increase there was a
documented MPG increase of 2+.

david

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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:57 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat Replacement


In a message dated 99-04-01 09:45:26 EST, you write:


where did you get it, i already have A cat back on My PSD and was wanting to
do away with cat, and didnt really feel like punching it out. any info from
where you got it would be appretiated.

Ross Smith
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Date:99-04-01 09:45:26 EST
From:Matus.Scott.A tci.com (Matus, Scott A)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to:97up-list ford-trucks.com
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com ('F 97 - New')

I received my intermediate pipe yesterday for my PSD from Ford, thus
replacing the Cat system. The pipe had to be shipped directly from Livonia
MI. The local parts distribution warehouses do not stock the unit yet.
Our
state is not requiring Emissions on any Diesels at this time. If this ever
changes I'll just install the old cat piping. I'll post the findings that
I
have with the new restriction free pipe. I will expect to see some
performance boost, but I don't know if my seat-of-the-pants dynamometer is
accurate enough to tell the difference.

Scott Matus. >>....

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