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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge
Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??
Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge
FTE 97up - Re: loaner/warranty
FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change
FTE 97up - K&N availability for SD V10
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change
FTE 97up - Lifts for '99 F-250/350 Front
FTE 97up - front springs
FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's
FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
FTE 97up - K&N Air Filter
FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's
Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
FTE 97up - Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirts!
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!
FTE 97up - Re: Dead 99 F-350 4x4 PSD

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:12:50 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:07:24 -0500, you wrote:

:On the expedition, the oil gauge is really a two-setting "idiot light" =
with
:a needle instead of a light. That's right, it is NOT an analog guage, =
it
:reads only normal / low / or no oil pressure by positioning the needle =
in
:the normal spot / low spot / or in the off position, respectively. I =
think
:the '99 V-10 may also be like this. Maybe Nathan knows?
:
:
:
:-----Original Message-----
:From: Gordon Croft
:To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
:Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:43 PM
:Subject: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge
:
:
:>I have a '99 F-250 SD V10.
:>
:>Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the oil pressure gauge
:>doesn't seem to move? It goes to about mid point and that's it.
:>Doesn't matter if it's cold, hot, idling or running fast.
:>The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
:>
:>Any comments?
:>Gord
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There was a thread about this in another newsgroup. It seems
that Ford puts an on/off sender for the oil pressure sensor. If
the pressure is over 6 lbs/sq.in. the sender sends "on",
otherwise it sends "off". The gauge is designed with only two
positions -- mid-point when it gets "on" and bottom if it gets
"off". It is also damped so that it moves slowly down to the
bottom position when you turn off the ignition.

Their rationale apparently was that they felt too many people
were being "worried" about the fact that the real, analog gauge
fluctuated!

It was said that there is a way to replace the sender with a
real, analog sender, and short a connector on something in the
dashboard, and then the gauge will work as a real, analog gauge.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:19:36 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:29:15 -0500, you wrote:

: It's just an air filter, after all.
: What's next? Your warranty is void if you install Bosch spark plugs
:instead of Motorcraft? Bah, they'd never make it stick if you =
challenged
:them.
:
Well, of course, if you put in a filter that didn't filter well,
and allowed dirt to get into your engine, it would cause
premature wear. And, if you put one on that restricted the
airflow unduly, it could cause other problems.

You have NO way of knowing if the non-standard item you put on
your can is good for it, much less that it actually does what the
seller says it does!

Do wonder that a manufacturer *might* say the warrantee is void
if you put certain non-standard (and usually performance-related)
equipment on your engine?

Sorry, don't mean to rant, but you have to know that lots of
stuff out there that people want to sell you isn't really going
to deliver, or it may even harm your car. And, with the
emissions controls laws, and our weird "suem all" mentality, you
might just realize that the manufacturers aren't going to look
too kindly on your installation of alternative produces.

I don't think a dealership is to be trusted, necessarily. They
might just want to be difficult, and avoid having to do certain
warrantee work, so they might just say it's voided the warrantee,
without checking on it -- just to be lazy!

As to the oil -- they do give a classification of oil to use, a
person doesn't have to use the Ford brand of oil.

Later,
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:25:59 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

Gordon Croft wrote:
>
> I have a '99 F-250 SD V10.
>
> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the oil pressure gauge
> doesn't seem to move? It goes to about mid point and that's it.
> Doesn't matter if it's cold, hot, idling or running fast.
> The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
>
> Any comments?
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Gordon,

If the gauges are like the F-150's then the oil pressure is
an Idiot gauge, it drops to Zero only if the pressure drops
to zero. As for the voltmeter is uses a buffered signal to
stabilize the reading. I guess Ford doesn't want to have
ignorant people panic when they see the gauges fluctuate.

Regards

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:32:56 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: loaner/warranty

We often talk about what we should expect from the dealer and what makes
this dealer or that good or bad, but don't seem to talk often about what the
dealer should expect of us or what makes us a good or bad customer. I'm not
saying every dealer deserves this consideration. Maybe most don't. But
those rare gems certainly do.

For instance, I take every opportunity to let anyone I meet know that
Sterling-McCall is the worst rip-off dealership I have ever been too and
have the worst jerks in their service department I have ever met. On the
other hand, I have also referred 5 other folks to buy vehicles from Mack
McCormick at Mac Haik Ford, because he is the most professional and helpful
representative at a good dealership that I have had the pleasure of meeting.
By now, I think Mack thinks of me as a "good" customer, because I treat him
with respect and patience and bring him lots of new business from others who
do the same. As a result, he has gone absolutely out of his way for myself
and my friends, providing detailed quotes with fixed mark-ups, lots of free
advice, driving people back and forth from the dealership during service
calls, delivering vehicles personally, meeting after-hours to deliver a
vehicle or discuss a problem...

I'd be very interested to hear from Nathan and others who work at
dealerships... What defines a good CUSTOMER for you and do you go out of
your way to keep your "good" customers happy... more so than "bad"
customers? If you're really daring, you might even mention what you think
makes a "bad" customer, but I'm afraid that might raise the hackles of a few
of them who are reading this now ...! My point is, I think that
when we find a "good" dealership, we need to try to be "good" customers
there and that we might even end up happier as customers if we do...

Regards, Bud

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:48:59 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty

The dealer has no requirement to provide a loaner. I provide them on a case
by case basis. If you didn't buy your vehicle from me though, I can pretty
much guarantee you won't get a loaner. Otherwise it depends what you need.
I can't afford to loan a car out for a oil change, but if it would be tied
up for a few hours I can usually find a car.

Nathan Bernard



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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:39:48 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change

> The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.

The voltmeter shouldn't change - that's what the voltage
regulator in there for. Oil pressure, though...?
- --
Gary Brinck
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:02:20 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change

Hook up a big 8-foot snowplow with an electric solenoid motor, start the
engine, turn on your lights, heater/fan on full, radio, and interior lights.
Then lift the plow with your hand-held (or dash-mounted) control. Watch Mr.
Voltmeter dance!

Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:43 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change


>> The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
>
>The voltmeter shouldn't change - that's what the voltage
>regulator in there for. Oil pressure, though...?
>--
> Gary Brinck
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:12:20 -0500
From: "Larry Hackler"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change

Actually the volt meter should change under a few circumstances. It should
drop when starting the truck, and I tested it with a shop voltmeter and the
voltage does drop, but my voltmeter on my F150 does not show it. The
voltage meter in the truck's instrument panel seems to be 'damped' and it
does not show that transient reduction. If I remember it drops to around 9
or 10 volts. Just as soon as the truck starts and the alternator supplies
power (controlled by the voltage regulator) the voltage holds around 14
volts (not sure of exact voltage, but it's close).

I too was concerned about the voltage meter (oil pressure gauge also, but
that is another thread) and tested it. I let my battery run down (engine
off, lights on, fan on) and it can be noticed on the trucks voltmeter, but
just barely. If your voltage regulator malfunctions you will probably be
able to see it on the gauge, but you will have to watch very closely. The
gauge seems to have a large scale and is heavily damped, so intermittent
voltages spikes or drops will not show up.

I guess Ford spends too much money on people bring their trucks and cars in
because of indications that are normal. Maybe the dealers could educate the
customer, but I think that would be asking too much since (by the way the
list complaints about some dealers) I not sure the dealers understand the
gauge indications themselves.

Any dealers on the list are not included in this comment, but it would be
nice to here from the dealers how they handle customers with non problems
(such as the fluctuating oil gauge)

Larry
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From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:40 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change


>> The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
>
>The voltmeter shouldn't change - that's what the voltage
>regulator in there for. Oil pressure, though...?
>--
> Gary Brinck
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:33:43 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N availability for SD V10

Hoping this hasn't been discussed already...

K&N currently has a filter replacement available for the V10 Super Duty,
but not the full kit yet. Replacement filter p/n is E0945 with (their)
price of $50-60. Filter kit is on their request list, and it won't be
available until late this Summer, at the earliest, based on the current
number of requests received so far.

Their schedule for kit development for a particular application is
affected by the perceived demand. Chris in Product Info/Tech. Support
at K&N said they gladly take requests. So, for anyone else desiring the
K&N Filter Kit for a V10 Super Duty, or for any other particular
application not yet supported for that matter, give them a call and be
counted. K&N: 800-858-3333 or 909-684-9762.

My only vested interest is that hopefully the more requests made, the
sooner the kit will be available.

Dick Dorff
'99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 3.73ls TT Hitch
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:08:00 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change

Good points. Actually, a comprehensive set of gauges including transmission
temperature and, most importantly for early diagnosis of engine problems, a
manifold vacuum gauge would be the first ones I would add. Of course, if I
was designing the dash all gauges would be strictly analog and calibrated to
an NIST standard. Additionally, for certain gauges subject to rapid
oscillations (like the manifold pressure gauge) a mild dampening system may
be helpful (e.g., liquid-filled gauges). Some feel that a rear
differential temperature gauge is important, in conjunction with a
transmission temperature gauge, and an engine oil temperature gauge (in
addition to the engine coolant temperature gauge), especially when towing a
heavy load a long way in the summer heat.


Keith



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From: Larry Hackler
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change


>Actually the volt meter should change under a few circumstances. It should
>drop when starting the truck, and I tested it with a shop voltmeter and the
>voltage does drop, but my voltmeter on my F150 does not show it. The
>voltage meter in the truck's instrument panel seems to be 'damped' and it
>does not show that transient reduction. If I remember it drops to around 9
>or 10 volts. Just as soon as the truck starts and the alternator supplies
>power (controlled by the voltage regulator) the voltage holds around 14
>volts (not sure of exact voltage, but it's close).
>
>I too was concerned about the voltage meter (oil pressure gauge also, but
>that is another thread) and tested it. I let my battery run down (engine
>off, lights on, fan on) and it can be noticed on the trucks voltmeter, but
>just barely. If your voltage regulator malfunctions you will probably be
>able to see it on the gauge, but you will have to watch very closely. The
>gauge seems to have a large scale and is heavily damped, so intermittent
>voltages spikes or drops will not show up.
>
>I guess Ford spends too much money on people bring their trucks and cars in
>because of indications that are normal. Maybe the dealers could educate
the
>customer, but I think that would be asking too much since (by the way the
>list complaints about some dealers) I not sure the dealers understand the
>gauge indications themselves.
>
>Any dealers on the list are not included in this comment, but it would be
>nice to here from the dealers how they handle customers with non problems
>(such as the fluctuating oil gauge)
>
>Larry
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:40 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Voltmeter change
>
>
>>> The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
>>
>>The voltmeter shouldn't change - that's what the voltage
>>regulator in there for. Oil pressure, though...?
>>--
>> Gary Brinck
>> in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:18:16 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lifts for '99 F-250/350 Front

Also, for those wanting to lift the front of their '99 SuperDuty 4X4 F-250
or F-350, Tuff Country [www.tuffcountry.com ] just released a 3.5" front
spring replacement system with new, higher-arch leaf-springs, new "U"-bolts,
sway-bar end links, tracking bar bracket, etc., for about $550. Don't yet
know the pound-rating of the springs, though. Additionally, I got this
e-mail back when I inquired as to other options to lift the front:



We offer progressive rate front add-a-leafs for your truck. They are
designed to give 2 to 2 1/2 inches of lift with increased weight capacity.
With u-bolts and center pins, they are only $159.95. Please call with any
other questions.

Jeff
Tuff
800-288-2190]>


Keith


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From: Dick Dorff
To: 97up ; f150
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:33 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N availability for SD V10


>Hoping this hasn't been discussed already...
>
>K&N currently has a filter replacement available for the V10 Super Duty,
>but not the full kit yet. Replacement filter p/n is E0945 with (their)
>price of $50-60. Filter kit is on their request list, and it won't be
>available until late this Summer, at the earliest, based on the current
>number of requests received so far.
>
>Their schedule for kit development for a particular application is
>affected by the perceived demand. Chris in Product Info/Tech. Support
>at K&N said they gladly take requests. So, for anyone else desiring the
>K&N Filter Kit for a V10 Super Duty, or for any other particular
>application not yet supported for that matter, give them a call and be
>counted. K&N: 800-858-3333 or 909-684-9762.
>
>My only vested interest is that hopefully the more requests made, the
>sooner the kit will be available.
>
>Dick Dorff
>'99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 3.73ls TT Hitch
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:46:59 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: FTE 97up - front springs

I lifted my front end on my 99 F-250 SD SC 4x4 XLT 5.4, three inches.
This levelled the truck to within a .25 inch. I had it done at a spring
shop, they added one leaf and re-arced the old ones. that`s all. It now
has 36 inch Radial Super Swampers and the ride is just as smooth as
stock.
Kent
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:54:04 -0500
From: Alan Schrager
Subject: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's

I'm new to the list. Hope someone can answer this one a little better
than Ford. I have a 99SD Crew Cab Turbo Deisel 4x4 and they say if I put
any plow on it kiss my warranty goodby. I've had two answers, both
different. One too much weight for the front axel. The second was it
would bend the frame. From watching the list there seems to be some good
advice out there. Hope someone can help, else I got an option I don't
really need.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:08:15 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:17:20 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N Air Filter

The K&N air filter for a 96 Mustang (4.6)/ 97-98 F150/ or 97-98
van,(5.4) will fit the stock air filter housing on a 99 Superduty with
5.4
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:26:42 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors

I recently damaged my tow mirror on my superduty. The front plastic cover for
the mirror has cracked off, but that's not the bad news, the bad news is that
there is no replacement part for that mirror. Only the mirror assembly is
replaceable for a small sum of $150.00. Is this my only option for repairing?
I was waiting to replace the mirrors that slide in when not is use, but I
can't run around with broken plastic on the mirror, very tacky. Does anybody
have any updates on the newer type of mirrors, either an after-market or from
Ford? One more thing, front grill cover for the winter months (PSD), any
information on where to purchase one?

Thank you

John Patterson
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:37:55 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

Kent Tombs wrote:
>
> My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> Kent

Hi Kent:

I have been reading about this problem in some of the messages
and to me I can't imagine how piston slap (If that is really what
it is) would not be considered a MAJOR problem in any IC engine.
After all the parts are supposed to move around in there as perfectly
as they can and a piston slap noise would mean a big problem to me.

Sure, back in the racing days with some engines pumped up to the
max we could experience some piston slap at a certain RPM or on
a cold start but to have it happen the way you describe would bring
*ME* to the dealers door for a tear down or new engine or something.

Just some thoughts,

Michael
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:53:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors

I am very interested in your situation. I ALMOST busted my driver mirror off
today. But, there appears to be no visible damage. Keep me (and others)
up-to-date with your searching. If you can put it on yourself, someone--a
ford mechanic, for example--might be able to get one for you for 20-40% off.

At 08:26 PM 1/12/99 EST, you wrote:
>I recently damaged my tow mirror on my superduty. The front plastic cover for
>the mirror has cracked off, but that's not the bad news, the bad news is that
>there is no replacement part for that mirror. Only the mirror assembly is
>replaceable for a small sum of $150.00. Is this my only option for repairing?
>I was waiting to replace the mirrors that slide in when not is use, but I
>can't run around with broken plastic on the mirror, very tacky. Does anybody
>have any updates on the newer type of mirrors, either an after-market or from
>Ford? One more thing, front grill cover for the winter months (PSD), any
>information on where to purchase one?
>
>Thank you
>
>John Patterson
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:06:24 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

"Michael D. Sheridan" wrote:
>
> Kent Tombs wrote:
> >
> > My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> > pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> > because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> > was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> > few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> > explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> > the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> > noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> > Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> > has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> > performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> > Kent
>
> Hi Kent:
>
> I have been reading about this problem in some of the messages
> and to me I can't imagine how piston slap (If that is really what
> it is) would not be considered a MAJOR problem in any IC engine.
> After all the parts are supposed to move around in there as perfectly
> as they can and a piston slap noise would mean a big problem to me.
>
> Sure, back in the racing days with some engines pumped up to the
> max we could experience some piston slap at a certain RPM or on
> a cold start but to have it happen the way you describe would bring
> *ME* to the dealers door for a tear down or new engine or something.
>
> Just some thoughts,
>
> Michael
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Have not been following this group until recently (4-5 days) if there
are others with this problem (noisee) would appreciate knowing the
situation
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:07:57 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's

And just for the record, they will not even try to sell you an extended
Warranty on a gasser, if you hint or openly admit that you are going to
install a P L O W.....It was a quick and easy way out of the Business
managers office though.

Frank



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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:25:05 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's

Did you order your truck (or did it list on the window sticker if you bought
if off the lot) with the Snowplow Package? I did order my F-350 SuperDuty /
4X4 / V-10 / SuperCab / Longbed / with the snowplow package from Ford. The
package provides the strongest front springs available from Ford. The
warranty story for me is that even if I plow commercially, my 3-year
bumper-to-bumper is the same as anyones. However, if you put a plow on your
vehicle, I was informed that the Ford ESP Extended Warranty program could
not be purchased. My dealer did mention that some people purchase the Ford
ESP extended warranty program anyway and just remove the plow when they come
to the dealer for warranty work. It really is up to the dealer to determine
if you are plowing or if they want to turn a blind eye and let you get the
extended warranty program anyway.

The bottom line is that the basic 3-year bumper-to-bumper Ford Warranty will
cover you for plowing if you have the Snowplow option. I do not know if you
are covered if you do not have the snowplow option on your SuperDuty.

Keith



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From: Alan Schrager
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Snow- plows for SD's


>I'm new to the list. Hope someone can answer this one a little better
>than Ford. I have a 99SD Crew Cab Turbo Deisel 4x4 and they say if I put
>any plow on it kiss my warranty goodby. I've had two answers, both
>different. One too much weight for the front axel. The second was it
>would bend the frame. From watching the list there seems to be some good
>advice out there. Hope someone can help, else I got an option I don't
>really need.
>
>Alan
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:14:17 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000008.html
for many posts on piston slap issue with some 5.4L engines. I got rid
of my noise by switching to Mobil 1.


Kent Tombs wrote:
>
> My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> Kent
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:31:44 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

Mark Lee wrote:
>
> See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000008.html
> for many posts on piston slap issue with some 5.4L engines. I got rid
> of my noise by switching to Mobil 1.
>
> Kent Tombs wrote:
> >
> > My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> > pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> > because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> > was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> > few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> > explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> > the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> > noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> > Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> > has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> > performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> > Kent
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Mobil 1 5w-30 regular oil or synthetic, I have been doing oil changes
every 2500 km, have used both conventional and synthetic.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:34:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirts!

Hi Gang!

After numerous delays, we finally have Ford Truck Enthusiasts
t-shirts! We've been promising these for a while and had
many people beg for them over the past several months. The
artist completed the work last week and the design went to
press today. Pricing information will be available this
weekend (after we find out what it will cost to ship them).

The t-shirts are 100% cotton with a front pocket and a design
on the back. Sizes child medium through adult XXXL are
available. For a preview of the design before they go on sale
this weekend:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/tshirt.jpg

The image on the web site is 640x480 pixels, the image on the
shirt is hi-resolution with over 1900x1400 pixels. I believe
most everyone will be happy with the design! To those that
entered a design, we haven't forgotten. Our first order of
business after we make some sales is to provide a prize pack
to you. Any announcement will be made with ordering details
this weekend.

Regards to everyone,
Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:02:35 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

Sorry Ken, I should have mentioned Mobil 1 5W synthetic. It made an
immediate difference and burned less oil. Well worth the extra cost in
my case..

Kent Tombs wrote:
>
> Mark Lee wrote:
> >
> > See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000008.html
> > for many posts on piston slap issue with some 5.4L engines. I got rid
> > of my noise by switching to Mobil 1.
> >
> > Kent Tombs wrote:
> > >
> > > My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> > > pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> > > because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> > > was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> > > few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> > > explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> > > the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> > > noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> > > Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> > > has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> > > performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> > > Kent
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> Mobil 1 5w-30 regular oil or synthetic, I have been doing oil changes
> every 2500 km, have used both conventional and synthetic.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:44:00 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

Mark Lee wrote:
>
> Sorry Ken, I should have mentioned Mobil 1 5W synthetic. It made an
> immediate difference and burned less oil. Well worth the extra cost in
> my case..
>
> Kent Tombs wrote:
> >
> > Mark Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000008.html
> > > for many posts on piston slap issue with some 5.4L engines. I got rid
> > > of my noise by switching to Mobil 1.
> > >
> > > Kent Tombs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> > > > pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> > > > because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> > > > was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> > > > few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> > > > explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> > > > the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> > > > noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> > > > Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> > > > has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> > > > performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
> > > > Kent
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> > Mobil 1 5w-30 regular oil or synthetic, I have been doing oil changes
> > every 2500 km, have used both conventional and synthetic.
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I really appreciate your response Mark, I will definitely try the Mobil
1.Out of curiosity what truck do you have, what is the mileage, and when
did you start getting piston slap noise.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:49:26 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 V8 NOISY!

I have 98 EB 5.4L, all options excl moonroof. Currently have 40,000+
miles. Problem started (noticed) around 20,000 mi. I have had vehicle
just over a year. Let me know if it helps...

Kent Tombs wrote:
>
> Mark Lee wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Ken, I should have mentioned Mobil 1 5W synthetic. It made an
> > immediate difference and burned less oil. Well worth the extra cost in
> > my case..
> >
> > Kent Tombs wrote:
> > >
> > > Mark Lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/f150board/Forum10/HTML/000008.html
> > > > for many posts on piston slap issue with some 5.4L engines. I got rid
> > > > of my noise by switching to Mobil 1.
> > > >
> > > > Kent Tombs wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My 99 Superduty 5.4 V8 seems to have a mild piston slap noise. It has
> > > > > pretty much been ther since day one but never gave it to much thought
> > > > > because it is overhead cam with aluminium haeds and I thought maybe it
> > > > > was related to that. Took it into the dealer and they say they have a
> > > > > few 4.6 motors with the same noise but dont yet know why. Their only
> > > > > explanation to date is that the piston manufacturer says that because of
> > > > > the material the pistons are made from there may be some piston slap
> > > > > noise heard. Any one else experience this , if so love to hear from you.
> > > > > Truck will be going in for futher examination. The main thing is that it
> > > > > has been noted prior to warranty expiring, as this may be good for
> > > > > performance benefits but I doubt long term reliability.
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