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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Rear Window Power Slider
Re: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang
RE: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Oil Drain Valve
FTE 97up - performance chips (was Trailer Life comparison of...)
RE: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang
FTE 97up - Fwd: FW: Great American Gas Out!
Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply
FTE 97up - Bedliner and Cover.
Re: FTE 97up - PTO
FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - 35" tires on SD
Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield
Re: FTE 97up - F-350 brakes
FTE 97up - V10 horsepower in 2000?
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
RE: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10
FTE 97up - Proper engine oil
Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield
FTE 97up - Loose turbo bolt.....light switch

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 03:47:25 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

My Good man...
You go ahead and "LOAD" your Pickup truck.....All the way to 5000 LBs if
you want, Up to 320 Cubic Feet Generous I admit...After all 5' X 8' X
8' Would be a big pile of what ever your 5000 LBS is, And, Unless you
are Hauling Cocaine In a BALE that large, You are still not approaching
Economic Justification for your $4000 + Engine option.

You are also the first to Claim better than 17 MPG.

But then, Maybe you have a fifty Gallon Aux tank. in which case, My
figures would be wrong.

Just admit it....You got a diesel because you want it.

After all, there are only so many tree stumps to pull.

Point being....If you live near Rochester, your Body will be gone LONG
before you wear out your engine. Unless all you "haul" is your Airstream
on sunny summer days, in which case you Really don't understand the
economics of the situation.

As to The "220,000" Mile Claim...We also own High Milage wheels..The
Toyota that My wife drives Every day, is at 197,000 and counting, And I
have NEVER seen The inside of the Engine. The differance is the
oil....Keep it clean, Keep it full and you will not have Engine
problems, Unless there is a design defect, or the engine was poorly
assembled.

The other "part" of operating expenses is being glossed over, For
example batteries that you will replace, The gasser has one, the Diesel,
two, so that this minor but unavoidable expense has now doubled.

Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
long.

20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline

20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel

Differance $172.85 per year

Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same
the annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still
an almost 13 year payback.

Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
with the longevity, and economy.

If you are the rare bird that is doing 175K / year, you need to rethink
your route, and get a bigger truck.

I feel better.

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:13:45 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply

I agree 100% about the lower fixed portion of the mirrors.
Bill

The Hepburn wrote:
>
> GEORGE CROLL wrote:
> >
> > I'm still wondering why people on this list seem to keep bashing the tow mirrors
> > on the super duty. They have both a convex and a flat mirror and are some of the
> > most useful mirrors I have ever used. Who cares that they stick out a little.
> >
> My complaint about the towing mirrors is that the convex portion is not
> adjustable,
> and the near-side one gives you a good view of the ground at the rear
> wheels - I'd
> like to angle it up a bit...
>
> Alan Hepburn
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:41:29 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Thanks for the math. I had been meaning to run some of the math myself but
never got around to it. I want the diesel with a Jake Brake... well for an
ego boost.

- -Julian

At 03:47 03/31/99 -0800, you wrote (edited for brevity):
>Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
>back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
>long.
>
>20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline
>
>20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel
>
> Differance $172.85 per year
>
>Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same
>the annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still
>an almost 13 year payback.
>
>Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
>with the longevity, and economy.
>
>If you are the rare bird that is doing 175K / year, you need to rethink
>your route, and get a bigger truck.
>
>I feel better.
>
>Frank

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:59:00 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear Window Power Slider

I can purchase a new Rear Window Electric Slider for 15% over my company
cost of $218.00. The Ford Price list is $500.00 for the exact same thing,
probably made by the same company. LOOK at it
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crlaurence.com/newcrlsite/Pages/ford_sliders1.html

If you are interested I'll set up a group purchase. Anyone else interested?
I'll hold this offer open for a week. This is when I'll be ordering my
unit.

Let me know if you have interest. We can work out shipping arrangements
later.

Scott.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:05:56 -0800
From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang

When will this Island Blue clearcoat be available on the F-150, on the 2000
model?
Is it a light or a dark blue?

>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:54:43 -0600
>From: "Union Auto"
>Subject: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang

>4. F-150/250 new color, Island Blue clearcoat metallic is available for
>ordering on F-150/250 Work series, XL, and XLT (n/a on Lariat), it will be
>available with Harvest gold or silver accent.

>On a non-truck note, we just got our 35th anniversary edition Mustang in
and
>it is really nice. If you get a chance take a look at one.

>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>Union, IA 50258

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:32:11 -0500
From: "Philip Kubat"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply

They stick out allot, but you do get use to them. I live in Boston and its
a challenge with those mirrors. The best of both worlds would be the tow
mirror that telescoped in. (Maybe I will retrofit mine!)

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of GEORGE CROLL
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 11:07 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply


I'm still wondering why people on this list seem to keep bashing the tow
mirrors on the super duty. They have both a
convex and a flat mirror and are some of the most useful mirrors I have ever
used. Who cares that they stick out a
little.

My .02
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:22:12 -0800
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Oil Drain Valve

I've installed the Fumoto plug on my '98 Explorer. It really makes changing
the oil a snap. At least on my engine, V6 4.0L SOHC, the drain plug exits
to the side and doesn't hang any lower than the factory plug. It does stick
out a bit more but I don't think it will be a problem even if I went offroad
unless something large just happens to hit the plug exactly right.
I also purchased some clear plastic tubing to fit over the nipple of the
valve so I can tell when the oil has finished draining. Just Put the tube
on, open the valve, come back 15 min later, shut the valve off and swap the
oil filter. I first saw the plug in Performance Parts but I purchased mine
from Summit Racing Equipment, 800-230-3030. It's definately worth the
couple bucks. Just take a look at where yuor existing valve is, you need
about an inch around the plug and about 2-3 inches from the drain plug
surface to mount this easily.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Suarez, William
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 08:42
> To: 97up-List Ford-Trucks.Com (E-mail)
> Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Drain Valve
>
>
> 'morning folks,
>
> In my newest copy of the Performance Products catalog they show an brass
> spring loaded valve for replacing the standard oil drain plug.
> Looks like a
> handy device, no more fishin' for the plug in the waste oil or
> burning your
> hands on hot oil.
>
> Performance Products does not list one for the 99 SD's w/ the PSD and only
> lists their vendor as: "FUMOTO".
>
> Is anyone familiar with that name? I'd like to contact them to see if they
> have one for the PSD pan.
>
> Or perhaps another source??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Suarez
>
> 99 F250SD SC PSD Lariat
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> William J. Suarez
> mailto:wsuarez netsilicon.com
> NETsilicon Inc. - Director of Technical Services
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.netsilicon.com/
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:57:24 -0800
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - performance chips (was Trailer Life comparison of...)

Jean Marc,

I'm glad to hear this...at one time I was looking into a boosting the
performance of my Dodge Ram, and so I did some reading up on performance
chips. The info I extracted from that reading basically said no towing if
you've got a chip installed. I thought this was ridiculous. Good to hear
that there are tow-specific chips available.

Kirk

- ----------


> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:37:51 -0500
> From: Jean Marc Chartier
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SD PSD/V10
>
> Kirk Werner wrote:
>>
>> I read that when you fit an engine with a performance chip, you shouldn't do
>> any significant towing with it.
> SNIP
>> Kirk
>>
>
> Kirk,
>
> I would disagree with that, there are a few chips that are
> taylor made for towing. But just to be sure you should
> check with your chip manufacturer.
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:21:36 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Frank -

I'm here to tell you that 17+ is what I get on my truck now - here are the
very exacting figures I have collected since I started:

12/27/9854326.86$25.490.9547517.68
12/27/9894523.72$21.090.8940216.95
12/30/98139127.22$26.100.9644616.39
01/08/99179625.07$27.561.1040516.15
01/16/99223127.691$27.110.9843515.71
01/28/99266826.95$25.310.9443716.22
02/07/99310827.62$27.070.9844015.93
02/16/99352224.94$23.940.9641416.60
02/23/99395625.284$22.760.9043417.17
03/03/99436323.632$21.480.9140717.22
03/08/99483527.244$24.490.9047217.32
03/19/99531326.67$25.570.9647817.92
03/27/99578225.54$24.750.9746918.36

The last number is the MPG. While I agree with you that /many/ people
don't need the PSD it's a "macho" thing I think many people on the list (if
they admit or don't) bought the truck itself as a "macho" thing. I did and
I enjoy it everyday desite the fact that a honda accord could get be back
and forth to work everyday.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Frank Spor
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 5:47 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of
F250SDPSD/V10


My Good man...
You go ahead and "LOAD" your Pickup truck.....All the way to 5000 LBs if
you want, Up to 320 Cubic Feet Generous I admit...After all 5' X 8' X
8' Would be a big pile of what ever your 5000 LBS is, And, Unless you
are Hauling Cocaine In a BALE that large, You are still not approaching
Economic Justification for your $4000 + Engine option.

You are also the first to Claim better than 17 MPG.

But then, Maybe you have a fifty Gallon Aux tank. in which case, My
figures would be wrong.

Just admit it....You got a diesel because you want it.

After all, there are only so many tree stumps to pull.

Point being....If you live near Rochester, your Body will be gone LONG
before you wear out your engine. Unless all you "haul" is your Airstream
on sunny summer days, in which case you Really don't understand the
economics of the situation.

As to The "220,000" Mile Claim...We also own High Milage wheels..The
Toyota that My wife drives Every day, is at 197,000 and counting, And I
have NEVER seen The inside of the Engine. The differance is the
oil....Keep it clean, Keep it full and you will not have Engine
problems, Unless there is a design defect, or the engine was poorly
assembled.

The other "part" of operating expenses is being glossed over, For
example batteries that you will replace, The gasser has one, the Diesel,
two, so that this minor but unavoidable expense has now doubled.

Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
long.

20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline

20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel

Differance $172.85 per year

Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same
the annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still
an almost 13 year payback.

Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
with the longevity, and economy.

If you are the rare bird that is doing 175K / year, you need to rethink
your route, and get a bigger truck.

I feel better.

Frank
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:24:45 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang

Its available now. I'd call it a darker version of teal.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jarchow, Jaye
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang


> When will this Island Blue clearcoat be available on the F-150, on the
2000
> model?
> Is it a light or a dark blue?
>
> >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:54:43 -0600
> >From: "Union Auto"
> >Subject: FTE 97up - F-Series changes/ 35th anniversary Mustang
>
> >4. F-150/250 new color, Island Blue clearcoat metallic is available for
> >ordering on F-150/250 Work series, XL, and XLT (n/a on Lariat), it will
be
> >available with Harvest gold or silver accent.
>
> >On a non-truck note, we just got our 35th anniversary edition Mustang in
> and
> >it is really nice. If you get a chance take a look at one.
>
> >Nathan Bernard
> >Union Auto, Inc.
> >Union, IA 50258
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:54:52 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: FTE 97up - Fwd: FW: Great American Gas Out!

Has anyone seen this? It's worth a try........ I'm all for stirring up
trouble. :)

>>
>> I'm all for this! Let the revolution begin!
>>
>> "THE GREAT "GAS OUT"
>>
>> It's time we did something about the price of gasoline in America!
>> We are all sick and tired of high prices when there are literally
>> millions of gallons in storage. Know what I found out? If there was
just ONE day
>> when no one purchased any gasoline, prices would drop drastically. The
>> so-called oil cartel has decided to slow production by some 2 million
barrels per
>> day to drive up the price. I have decided to see how many Americans we can
>> get to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one particular day! Let's have a GAS
OUT! >> Do not buy any gasoline on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!! Buy on
>> Thursday before, or Saturday after. Do not buy any gasoline on
>> FRIDAY, APRIL 30, 1999.
>> Wanna help? Send this message to everyone you know. Ask
>> them to do the same. All we need is a few million to participate in
order to make
>> a difference. Let me know how many you will send out. We CAN make a
>> difference.
>>
>>

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:08:47 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F250 '99SD Rear View Mirror -Reply

Alan,
Check out the page below at Diesel Injection Services site for a mirror fix:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/art0299mf.htm

At 08:20 PM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote:
>My complaint about the towing mirrors is that the convex portion is not
>adjustable,
>and the near-side one gives you a good view of the ground at the rear
>wheels - I'd
>like to angle it up a bit...
>
>Alan Hepburn

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:43:55 -0500
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 97up - Bedliner and Cover.

Hi all,

New to the list and new to the world of Ford trucks. Over the years I was
forced by my employer to drive (dare I say) Chevy's and was the unfortunate
owner of a 1984 GMC S-15.

I'm not kissing up here, but the new 1999 F-150 XL I just bought is by far
and away the best truck I have ever driven. I had to conserve on $$ so I
only got the regular cab, short bed with the 4.2L V-6. This motor has a
lot of kick to it, but I probably should have gone with the Triton. I
don't really carry that much personally, so this motor should be a good
balance between power and fuel economy.

Anyway, on to the subject now after my brief introduction: Can anyone
recommend a good bed liner and/or a good tonneau cover? I have done some
shopping but what I am really wondering is what is the difference between
the $129 rail version versus the $200 rail version of cover. Am I going to
miss something on the $200? I have already ordered the Duraliner bed
liner, but if someone knows of a better one I can still cancel the order.

TIA

P.S. I've been lurking for a day or two now and here in NJ the law is 20
years to register a "classic" car and 25 for an "antique".


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:02:23 -0600
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PTO

Could I use the PTO to raise and lower the car on hydraulics to assist my
getting in and out of the vehicle? IE: it's difficult for me to get up from
a low sitting position, anything lower than say mid thigh hieght when I'm
standing. Perhaps I could use the PTO for a purpose like that.

C.K.
cakid stlmo.com
ca-kid swbell.net


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:32:45 -0800
From: Brian K Moberg
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

One aspect that I have yet to hear mentioned is the time value of money.
The $4000, even if very conservatively invested, will double to $8000 in
about 10 years. Therefore the effective payback point is longer if you
are only considering the dollars and cents. However, make no mistake
about it. The Powerstroke is one impressive engine. :-)


Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
long.

20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline

20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel

Differance $172.85 per year

Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same the
annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still an
almost 13 year payback.

Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
with the longevity, and economy. If you are the rare bird that is doing
175K / year, you need to rethink
your route, and get a bigger truck.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:47:02 -0800
From: "mlester"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Gee, where do you live, you can get diesel fuel at .97 per gal.

I'm in southern Calif. and it is 1.51 per gal this a.m. and 1.57 per gal
this afternoon.

regards


Martial
- -----Original Message-----
From: David Moore
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10


>Frank -
>
>I'm here to tell you that 17+ is what I get on my truck now - here are the
>very exacting figures I have collected since I started:
>
>12/27/98 543 26.86 $25.49 0.95 475 17.68
>12/27/98 945 23.72 $21.09 0.89 402 16.95
>12/30/98 1391 27.22 $26.10 0.96 446 16.39
>01/08/99 1796 25.07 $27.56 1.10 405 16.15
>01/16/99 2231 27.691 $27.11 0.98 435 15.71
>01/28/99 2668 26.95 $25.31 0.94 437 16.22
>02/07/99 3108 27.62 $27.07 0.98 440 15.93
>02/16/99 3522 24.94 $23.94 0.96 414 16.60
>02/23/99 3956 25.284 $22.76 0.90 434 17.17
>03/03/99 4363 23.632 $21.48 0.91 407 17.22
>03/08/99 4835 27.244 $24.49 0.90 472 17.32
>03/19/99 5313 26.67 $25.57 0.96 478 17.92
>03/27/99 5782 25.54 $24.75 0.97 469 18.36
>
>The last number is the MPG. While I agree with you that /many/ people
>don't need the PSD it's a "macho" thing I think many people on the list (if
>they admit or don't) bought the truck itself as a "macho" thing. I did and
>I enjoy it everyday desite the fact that a honda accord could get be back
>and forth to work everyday.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
>[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Frank Spor
>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 5:47 AM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of
>F250SDPSD/V10
>
>
>My Good man...
>You go ahead and "LOAD" your Pickup truck.....All the way to 5000 LBs if
>you want, Up to 320 Cubic Feet Generous I admit...After all 5' X 8' X
>8' Would be a big pile of what ever your 5000 LBS is, And, Unless you
>are Hauling Cocaine In a BALE that large, You are still not approaching
>Economic Justification for your $4000 + Engine option.
>
>You are also the first to Claim better than 17 MPG.
>
>But then, Maybe you have a fifty Gallon Aux tank. in which case, My
>figures would be wrong.
>
>Just admit it....You got a diesel because you want it.
>
>After all, there are only so many tree stumps to pull.
>
>Point being....If you live near Rochester, your Body will be gone LONG
>before you wear out your engine. Unless all you "haul" is your Airstream
>on sunny summer days, in which case you Really don't understand the
>economics of the situation.
>
>As to The "220,000" Mile Claim...We also own High Milage wheels..The
>Toyota that My wife drives Every day, is at 197,000 and counting, And I
>have NEVER seen The inside of the Engine. The differance is the
>oil....Keep it clean, Keep it full and you will not have Engine
>problems, Unless there is a design defect, or the engine was poorly
>assembled.
>
>The other "part" of operating expenses is being glossed over, For
>example batteries that you will replace, The gasser has one, the Diesel,
>two, so that this minor but unavoidable expense has now doubled.
>
>Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
>back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
>long.
>
>20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline
>
>20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel
>
> Differance $172.85 per year
>
>Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same
>the annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still
>an almost 13 year payback.
>
>Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
>with the longevity, and economy.
>
>If you are the rare bird that is doing 175K / year, you need to rethink
>your route, and get a bigger truck.
>
>I feel better.
>
>Frank
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:38:33 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - 35" tires on SD

Does anybody have 16.5x9.75 wheels
and 35" BFG AT's on their SD?
If so, how far, if at all, do they stick out
from the wheel wells?

Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:48:41 -0500
From: "Bill Wood"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Frank:
You are right,I don't put 5000 lbs "on the truck". Actually it is in two
different combinations.
# 1 A 2400lb Coachmaen truck camper ,on the back,pulling an 18' Boston
Whaler up into the Adirondack mountains.
#2 Pulling a 4800 lb fith wheel flat bed trailer with either 4 tons
of hay or an 8500 lb John Deere tractor to ANYWHERE in there is
a show or tractor pull.
Even with these loads, I can still get 13.6 mpg.
When empty, that power stroke, 6spd OD and 3.73 gear combination
can get almost 19 mpg on a trip. (17 around town) People that I work with
have older 460's,454's and one has a new V-10. Of all of them, the v-10 gets
the best milage. It gets a whopping 12.5 empty. The
others are in the 6-11 mpg area.
Do your math, that means at least 50% better with the diesel.
As far as the rust issue........Use a garden hose or car wash!
Even on the farm, we know how to deal with snow, salt, mud and B.S.!
Very often, we have snow that is bumper deep on an F350 SD 4X4
until 9 AM. Let,s see your wife make it to work every morning with
her little Toy!
Just admit it, you are an anti (real) TRUCK , import driving "city
slicker"!
Stick to your area of expertise and leave this site to the
FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIAST!
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From: Frank Spor
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10


> My Good man...
> You go ahead and "LOAD" your Pickup truck.....All the way to 5000 LBs if
> you want, Up to 320 Cubic Feet Generous I admit...After all 5' X 8' X
> 8' Would be a big pile of what ever your 5000 LBS is, And, Unless you
> are Hauling Cocaine In a BALE that large, You are still not approaching
> Economic Justification for your $4000 + Engine option.
>
> You are also the first to Claim better than 17 MPG.
>
> But then, Maybe you have a fifty Gallon Aux tank. in which case, My
> figures would be wrong.
>
> Just admit it....You got a diesel because you want it.
>
> After all, there are only so many tree stumps to pull.
>
> Point being....If you live near Rochester, your Body will be gone LONG
> before you wear out your engine. Unless all you "haul" is your Airstream
> on sunny summer days, in which case you Really don't understand the
> economics of the situation.
>
> As to The "220,000" Mile Claim...We also own High Milage wheels..The
> Toyota that My wife drives Every day, is at 197,000 and counting, And I
> have NEVER seen The inside of the Engine. The differance is the
> oil....Keep it clean, Keep it full and you will not have Engine
> problems, Unless there is a design defect, or the engine was poorly
> assembled.
>
> The other "part" of operating expenses is being glossed over, For
> example batteries that you will replace, The gasser has one, the Diesel,
> two, so that this minor but unavoidable expense has now doubled.
>
> Go over the figures...It will take a long time to get the purchase price
> back, By my figures 23 years....I ain't driving any Pickup truck that
> long.
>
> 20000 Mi/year 14 MPG = 1428.57 gals X 1.15 /Gal = $1642.85 Gasoline
>
> 20000 Mi/year 17 Mpg = 1176.47 gals X 1.25 / Gal = $1470.58 Diesel
>
> Differance $172.85 per year
>
> Just for the sake of argument, lets call the cost per gallon the same
> the annualized fuel cost differance is still only $315.13 which is still
> an almost 13 year payback.
>
> Just admit it, it is an ego boost, nothing more, nothing less, and stop
> with the longevity, and economy.
>
> If you are the rare bird that is doing 175K / year, you need to rethink
> your route, and get a bigger truck.
>
> I feel better.
>
> Frank
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>

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:34:47 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield

I went in to the dealership today to order parts for the air box and brake
shield. They said I would have to bring the truck in for an inspection all
day before they would order the parts. My truck is 1999 F350 C.C. 4X4,DRW,
PSD built on 07/21/98. I do not understand this inspection which would cause
them to have my truck an extra day on two separate occasions. Is this truck
not eligible for these TSB's. Any comments or suggestions.
Thank you,
Jeff

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:24:07 EST
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-350 brakes

Mine is Diesel. I am thoroughly satisfied.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:43:48 -0600
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 horsepower in 2000?

I just read on Blue Oval News that the Excursion will have a 300hp, 430ft.-lb. 6.8L V10. Any word whether the Super
Duties will get the same engine?

Sven

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:09:00 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

Investment potential was one thing I thought of when deciding between the
diesel and the gas. I put $2,500 into Sun Microsystems stock a year ago,
its worth $12,000 today. Granted thats a good investment, but there were
even better investments. Bottom line, take $100 per month (the extra amount
your loan costs for the diesel) make a decent investment with it, and the
diesel should never beat the gas.

However, the V-10 is not the diesel, and if you have real need for towing,
the V-10 just won't do. I have the V-10, but I live in New Jersey, where a
vast majority of the state is pretty flat, so even towing a boat isn't a
problem. If it were a high mileage work truck that towed daily, the diesel
is the only way to go. If you're a casual tower, then the gas is probably
more efficient use of your money, unless of course you tow very heavy loads
occasionally


>One aspect that I have yet to hear mentioned is the time value of money.
>The $4000, even if very conservatively invested, will double to $8000 in
>about 10 years. Therefore the effective payback point is longer if you
>are only considering the dollars and cents. However, make no mistake
>about it. The Powerstroke is one impressive engine. :-)
>
>


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:50:58 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

So Bill which is it ...You get 19 MPG, Or 12 I am confused....

I Agree MY DIESEL tractor runs ALL day on Damn little fuel, Not so with
a diesel pickup...

My Gasoline 5.4 4X4 SD Gets 16.5 MPG on a trip with nothing in it, on
it, or towed behind it.....

It Gets about 11 Plowing Snow ALL day (something else you are not
supposed to do with your diesel by the way)

And when it is Just out making money, it runs 14 MPG

Oh Yeah The 96 F150 4X4 gets 15, at 53K and so did the 87 F150 4X4
(Which I sold for a good buck at 131,000K)....The 77 4X4, 400, C6 got
about six....But it was a solid six....Never varied...Up hill down hill,
always six....

The wife's KENTUCKY built Toyota, (same part of Japan as MY SD), STILL
gets 35...Even with the four snow tires, and the winter gas.

My hose freezes at about zero...But I know its warm in the Barn.

At least the pressure washer freezes my hands quick.

As far as the comparison....Your diesel at 17, The Gasser at 6.5, it is
still over a year and a half before you see a payback...

Same 20000 K / year, same 1.25/ Gal...The gasser uses $3846.15, Your
diesel uses $1470.58...But you did not pay any interest on the Gasoline
expense.

You also admit that you do not "always" get 17 or better, and the gasser
does not always get 6.5

Point bein Bill, If you hook a chain to the bumper of the Diesel truck,
and the other end around your red neck, I doubt that you have got the
traction to pull your head out of your A$$.

I feel MUCH better now.

Frank


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:55:14 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SDPSD/V10

I live in Houston Texas.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 4:47 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Subject: Trailer Life comparison of
F250SDPSD/V10


Gee, where do you live, you can get diesel fuel at .97 per gal.

I'm in southern Calif. and it is 1.51 per gal this a.m. and 1.57 per gal
this afternoon.

regards


Martial

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:24:14 -0800
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 97up - Proper engine oil

Hello,

The owners manual for my recently purchased 1998 F-150, 2wd, auto, says
to use 5w-30 engine oil. I live in Southern California and was wondering
if 10w-30 would be a better choice, or does it make any difference?

Thanks for any advice,
Jon

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:48:08 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement & Brake Shield

I went to my dealer with the TSB for the Air box change and the advisor
called up his service dept. and they ordered it and made an appointment for a
week later. They said to call a day ahead to make sure the part came in.
I also gave them a list of other things to look at like the ticking noise
that some say is a fuel regulator problem.
I have brought my truck several times, always with a list and an educated
guess and description of my problems and they have always taken care of me.

As far as your brake recall, you should have received documentation in the
mail regarding this issue and your dealer does not have to look at a....


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