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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!
FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!
RE: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??
FTE 97up - Horsepower rating
Re: RE: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!
Re: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??
Re: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??
FTE 97up - Need some technical help
Re: FTE 97up - Need some technical help
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!
Re: FTE 97up - Horsepower rating
FTE 97up - Triton engine in older model frames?
FTE 97up - Performance Mods to 4.0L V6 or Replacement?
Re: FTE 97up - Performance Mods to 4.0L V6 or Replacement?
Re: FTE 97up - Horsepower rating
FTE 97up - New Truck arrives!
Re: FTE 97up - Performance Mods to 4.0L V6 or Replacement?
Re: FTE 97up - New Truck arrives!
FTE 97up - Deflectors
Re: FTE 97up - Deflectors

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:24:46 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!

I just ran my number and it said my SD is one
involved in recall.

Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4



I have a 99 F250 SD PSD SC and after entering my vin my vehicle
supposedly does not have the problem because the answer came
back stating it was not included in the recall.>>


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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:32:33 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??

Does anyone know how the overhead miles per gallon computer
determines the mileage ??
Also how often does it update?? Am I seeing average mileage
or mileage based on the last calculation?? If its average
my computer shows 12.2 MPG, by my calculations of gallons to
fill tank vs miles traveled I show 13.76 MPG. I'm not
complaining about gas mileage, just wondering how it
calculates.

I'm the guy the transmission cooler failed on then driving
it home from the dealer at 72 miles. I now have 525 miles
on pickup, I do have a very light drip (red fluid) on the
garage floor. I can't see any leaks at the cooler, so maybe
its just from the original leak. Will be keeping an eye on
this one. Other than that, its a nice unit. I'll be towing
our 5th wheel with it first time today. Just a short trip
of 75 miles. Bill
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:38:55 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!

Just ran my number and it said not included in recall. 99
F250 SD SC LB Lariat 4x2 V10, build date 3/05/99

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> I just ran my number and it said my SD is one
> involved in recall.
>
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4
>
>
>
> I have a 99 F250 SD PSD SC and after entering my vin my vehicle
> supposedly does not have the problem because the answer came
> back stating it was not included in the recall.>>
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:02:05 -0500
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??

Bill,

Glad to here you back on the road.

The console displays that average miles per gallon based on cumulative
calculations since the last time it was reset.

If you want to most accurate calculations, say for a particular trip for
example, then reset the system at the start of the trip. To reset, push and
hold both buttons while the MPG is being displayed.

Make sure to calibrate your compass setting as well.

Bill Suarez

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> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 6:33 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??
>
>
> Does anyone know how the overhead miles per gallon computer
> determines the mileage ??
> Also how often does it update?? Am I seeing average mileage
> or mileage based on the last calculation?? If its average
> my computer shows 12.2 MPG, by my calculations of gallons to
> fill tank vs miles traveled I show 13.76 MPG. I'm not
> complaining about gas mileage, just wondering how it
> calculates.
>
> I'm the guy the transmission cooler failed on then driving
> it home from the dealer at 72 miles. I now have 525 miles
> on pickup, I do have a very light drip (red fluid) on the
> garage floor. I can't see any leaks at the cooler, so maybe
> its just from the original leak. Will be keeping an eye on
> this one. Other than that, its a nice unit. I'll be towing
> our 5th wheel with it first time today. Just a short trip
> of 75 miles. Bill
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:35:13 -0500
From: "Blanchester PD"
Subject: FTE 97up - Horsepower rating

Did Ford increase the horsepower from the 99 to the 99 1/2 F350 Turbo
Diesel?
What changes were made from 99 to 99 1/2?

Corey A. Pratt
blanpolice in-touch.net

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:45:31 EST
From: NavJohn aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!

In a message dated 03/27/99 150300, jmschap evansville.net writes:

>
Check out this site to see if your truck has the recall.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.recall.ford.com/

Well, I entered my VIN, and it came back "clean" -- not affected by the
recall. There's a link on this page to the FAQs, and a link there to the Ford
Owners' page. Looked neat, so I decided to sign up. It wouldn't accept my
vehicle number -- said it wasn't a valid VIN. Double checked, and sure
enough, what I thought was the letter "O" was actually a zero. So back to the
recall page -- still clean. Then tried the new VIN on the Ford Owners page.
This time, got a message that says "The VIN you entered is not a Ford
vehicle." I looked out the window and that F450 crew cab PSD sure enough
said "Ford" on it. So called customer service. When I gave them my VIN, they
came back with my name, address, vehicle type, kind of dog I own and how many
beers I had last night. But they didn't know why the web page didn't think I
had a Ford. The nice lady did verify that my vehicle (I took delivery in
early March) was exempt from the recall.
So I guess I'll get me one of those big rear-window decals that says "DODGE"
and cruise (control) on down the highway.

John Wilson
Beautiful Waddy, KY

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:29:54 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!

Folks:

I'm having a real problem trying to get information
on the recall for MAZDA TRUCKS as like we all know
they are almost exactly the same as Ranger.

Does anyone know if my 1999 MAZDA B2500 Regular
Cab with the 2.5L engine falls into those being
recalled. I DO HAVE cruise control.

Thank you,

Michael
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:23:45 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??

Bill wrote:
>
SNIP
>
> I'm the guy the transmission cooler failed on then driving
> it home from the dealer at 72 miles. I now have 525 miles
> on pickup, I do have a very light drip (red fluid) on the
> garage floor. I can't see any leaks at the cooler, so maybe
> its just from the original leak. Will be keeping an eye on
> this one. Other than that, its a nice unit. I'll be towing
> our 5th wheel with it first time today. Just a short trip
> of 75 miles. Bill
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Bill

Sorry I can not help with the computer but I would
recommend an Engine shampoo to remove any traces of the old
leak. If after you still see red oil you will know it is a
new leak or they didn't fix the first one properly. Cheap
insurance in the long run.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:50:19 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lariat overhead mph computer ??

I would get one of those aluminum cookie sheets from the local grocery
store and slip it under the truck near where the previous leak was. That
way you can tell if it is still leaking.

- -Julian

At 06:32 03/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone know how the overhead miles per gallon computer
>determines the mileage ??
>Also how often does it update?? Am I seeing average mileage
>or mileage based on the last calculation?? If its average
>my computer shows 12.2 MPG, by my calculations of gallons to
>fill tank vs miles traveled I show 13.76 MPG. I'm not
>complaining about gas mileage, just wondering how it
>calculates.
>
>I'm the guy the transmission cooler failed on then driving
>it home from the dealer at 72 miles. I now have 525 miles
>on pickup, I do have a very light drip (red fluid) on the
>garage floor. I can't see any leaks at the cooler, so maybe
>its just from the original leak. Will be keeping an eye on
>this one. Other than that, its a nice unit. I'll be towing
>our 5th wheel with it first time today. Just a short trip
>of 75 miles. Bill
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:11:42 -0600
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: FTE 97up - Need some technical help

This post will be a bit odd, but since it is dealing with a 4x4 Ford Truck
chassis, I
may find the answers here. I have a 1941 Ford Tudor Sedan Deluxe 'car'. It
has all the goodies of the day still with it, including the still running
flathead V-8 engine. But as I have a rare muscle disease that requires a
few of the more modern ammenities on a vehicle, I am going to rebuild her
with a few major and minor modifications. I would like to find a 4x4
chassis and drive train to slip under the body. The end result will be a 4
wheel drive car with a Triton V-10 under the hood. And yes I plan to put
her down on the ground as much as possible, don't need the nieghborhood
looking up her fender skirts..lol. From what I can tell visually, the old
Ford has tons of room to accomodate the engine
the cooling aspects needed for the Triton V-10>. My question concerns
finding a chassis that will suit my needs. The person fitting the frame to
the car doesn't know enough about the V-10's to suggest which 4x4's are
compatible with the V-10 other than the 3/4 ton or higher chassis. The V-10
is not available in a 1/2 chassis. My question stems around the tranny.
Don't both Triton engines use the same E4OD automatic transmission? Is it
possible then to find a salvaged 1/2 ton F-150 with a Triton 5.4 and the
electric front hubs already there, and simply change the engine out for a
6.8 ? I'm more than willing to beef
up the axles and driveshafts if that is necessary to accomodate the V-10
into such a frame, or can a fellow just go to Ford and buy the components he
wants? IE: purchase the frame and axles as parts and then bolt up the
engine and transmission purchased separately? Someone has even suggested
that I go with the 3/4 ton stuff all the way around as well. I'm just
beginning on this project and my goal is to make as few dead end mistakes as
possible. At this point all I have is the car and the dreams of the final
product in my head. I would welcome any ideas or technical expertise or
being forwarded to the guys who can point me in the right directon to make
this vehicle a reality. The old Ford has some really classy lines
mention a lot of chrome>, and I know this can be done.

C.K. Hartline


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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:37:33 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Need some technical help

Hi C.K.,

For what little it's worth, here's my suggestions for you.

#1 I think you can forget the salvage idea for now, anything
new enough to be in a junk yard is probably going to have
frame damage and a bunch of other stuff wiped out.

#2 Consider ordering a new F-250 SD chassis cab, stripped
of all the unnecessary options, remove the cab, alter the wheelbase
as required for your car, fabricate body mounts as required by
the car. Then, you can start the "fun stuff" of integrating electronics
and controls for the truck chassis into the car.

Option 2 goes against my cheapskate nature,
but in this case, it might be cheaper in the long
run. Dealer parts are usually very high, sometimes
buying a complete vehicle can save money, this
might be one of those cases.
Buying new may also get you some warranty
consideration on the drivetrain which you might
not get with used junkyard parts, that may be
worth something, check it out.

This is all just my 2=A2 worth, YMMV blah blah

Best Regards,
Robert


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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:06:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!

At 07:29 AM 3/28/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Folks:
>
>I'm having a real problem trying to get information
>on the recall for MAZDA TRUCKS as like we all know
>they are almost exactly the same as Ranger.
>
>Does anyone know if my 1999 MAZDA B2500 Regular
>Cab with the 2.5L engine falls into those being
>recalled. I DO HAVE cruise control.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Michael

This is the wrong group. This group is for full
size chassis trucks. We has a group for small
chassis trucks, see the web site.

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:16:01 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Horsepower rating

Basically they changed the calibration and eliminated the CAT converter.
The Power output is the same, and they didn't even notify the dealers that
they had done it. I learned the cat had been removed by mail from this
list.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Blanchester PD
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 1999 5:35 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Horsepower rating


> Did Ford increase the horsepower from the 99 to the 99 1/2 F350 Turbo
> Diesel?
> What changes were made from 99 to 99 1/2?
>
> Corey A. Pratt
> blanpolice in-touch.net
>


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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:17:19 -0800
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: FTE 97up - Triton engine in older model frames?

Is it possible to put a Triton engine into an older frame, I'm looking to
put a new Triton engine into an older frame with the electric front hubs on
a 4x4. Is this possible? How much work is involved? I believe the
autolocking front hubs were introduced in the latter half of '89, so I
would be working with an '89 or new 4x4 frame and the E4OD tranny.
Would appreciate any input from you Ford servicemen or engine engineering
experts. All this will be placed under a '41 Ford Sedan Deluxe. I know
there will be a ton of work to make the body fit the frame, but getting the
4x4 and Triton engine with the chassis is my first step, without actually
purchasing a brand new truck and throwing the body away.

C.K. Hartline

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:24:36 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Performance Mods to 4.0L V6 or Replacement?

Been hunting around in the archives for any help on this, but haven't found
any. I miss the zipfiles. Oh well, I miss my old Compaq 102 transportable
too, so it may just be me... . Well, here goes...

I need to make my annual trek from Houston to San Diego in May, trailering
my little 2500# boat/trailer behind my '94 Explorer (sorry this is not a
post about Super Duties, I apologize, but you guys always have good answers,
so please bear with me... ). Things will get pretty hot and altitudes reach
up around 5000 feet, with grades up to 10%. Even when the engine was new,
without any kind of help in the aspiration department, it still had its
problems on steep grades at high altitude. Now, with 110,000 miles on it,
even though it still purrs like a kitten, I'm afraid it might really
struggle. I'm bouncing around thoughts on what I could do to give the truck
a bit more "oomph."

Things I'm thinking about include:

1. Supercharging the existing engine (I'm thinking Paxton or Vortec), adding
a performance chip (HyperMax or SuperChip) and opening up the exhaust with a
cat-back and perhaps new headers (probably Borla). Plus is that this will
keep my hp up while in the mountains. Minus is that the engine may run even
hotter, a problem when towing up long grades in the desert (I do have the
trailer tow package with super engine cooling, but maybe I'd need to do
something more in that department).
2. Dropping in a rebuilt '97 or newer 4.0. If I recall correctly, Ford is
selling a 4.0L SOHC version that has 210hp and a bit more torque. It seems
like this would be an easy fit, though not sure how well it would mate with
the existing 4 speed auto w/OD. Plus side is the hp. Minus is it will
still lose 2% hp for every 1000 ft if no aspiration mods, but that's still
more than the 4.0 OHV, it's also a bit higher winding engine.
3. Dropping in a rebuilt 5.0L V-8. This little beast has about the same hp
as the SOHC V-6, but a lot more torque at 288 ft-lb (OK, SuperDuty owners
may laugh all you want...). Again, not sure about the trannie on this one.
Sure this would be a great hauler, but I bet I would have to replace every
bit of intake, emissions, computer, you name it. Betting it would be more
trouble than it would be worth.

If anyone has thoughts on the above or their own ideas or has worked with a
reputable customizing shop that they would recommend, I'd appreciate any
help I can get.

Sure see a lot of SD's on the used lots here in Houston these days. Maybe
I'll find one at a reasonable price by May... . Hey, I can dream... (o;

Thanks! - Bud


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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:07:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Mods to 4.0L V6 or Replacement?

At 06:24 PM 3/28/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Been hunting around in the archives for any help on this, but haven't found
>any. I miss the zipfiles. Oh well, I miss my old Compaq 102 transportable
>too, so it may just be me... . Well, here goes...

As soon as we upgrade the server, the zip files come back.
We'll have both zip files and searchable archives.

Ken Payne

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:16:49 -0600
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Horsepower rating

I may have bragged on my 97 F 150 too soon. For the first time in over
fifty years of driving cars and trucks I have a differential seal leaking.
Can some one tell me book rate on replacing the seal on the pinion? Don't
know how long it has been leaking. It took less than a pint to bring it up
to level. The PU has about 49K on with not cowboying.

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:44:49 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: FTE 97up - New Truck arrives!

Hidy-ho neighbours!

Friday afternoon we took delivery of our new truck - a 1999 F450SD Crew
Cab,
PSD, 4R100, 2WD, XLT trim and I must say I'm happy. Our first tank of
diesel
gave us about 12 mpg in freeway driving (San Jose to Sacramento and back
to the RV Show) which isn't bad for a vehicle that weighs over 8K lbs and
a 4.88:1 axle, and only 500 miles on the odometer.

The truck was born on 12/8/98 and delivered to the dealer the first week
of February. Then it went to the body fitters for a custom service body,
which is a customised utility body cut down so it fits under our fifth
wheel. The whole thing looks great. I finally found something to complain
about though: they moved the high beam switch from its proper location
on the floor, up to the turn signal stalk ...

Alan Hepburn
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:24:34 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Performance Mods to 4.0L V6 or Replacement?

Bud Feuless & Miki Magara wrote:
>
> Been hunting around in the archives for any help on this, but haven't found
> any. I miss the zipfiles. Oh well, I miss my old Compaq 102 transportable
> too, so it may just be me... . Well, here goes...
>
> I need to make my annual trek from Houston to San Diego in May, trailering
> my little 2500# boat/trailer behind my '94 Explorer (sorry this is not a
> post about Super Duties, I apologize, but you guys always have good answers,
> so please bear with me... ). Things will get pretty hot and altitudes reach
> up around 5000 feet, with grades up to 10%. Even when the engine was new,
> without any kind of help in the aspiration department, it still had its
> problems on steep grades at high altitude. Now, with 110,000 miles on it,
> even though it still purrs like a kitten, I'm afraid it might really
> struggle. I'm bouncing around thoughts on what I could do to give the truck
> a bit more "oomph."
>
>SNIP
>
> Thanks! - Bud
>
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Bud,

The cheapest solution I could thing of would be to
Downshift and use the 4 way flashers. I am not being
facetious but it will get you acrost the mountains and won't
cost you an arm and a leg. Lower gears will also get you up
the hills, what do you have in it now 3.73? Maybe a 4.10
would help.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:30:20 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Truck arrives!

The Hepburn wrote:
>
> Hidy-ho neighbours!
>
SNIP
> I finally found something to complain
> about though: they moved the high beam switch from its proper location
> on the floor, up to the turn signal stalk ...
>
> Alan Hepburn
> Alan Hepburn.com
>
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Alan,

At least you won't complain when the darned thing rusts and
sticks on hi. I have a manual tranny in my 97 F-150 and it
makes shifting and flashing at the same time possible. It
also has flash to pass where you just pull it towards you
and it goes to hi beams until you release it. Hard to do
with a floor button..

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:25:29 +800
From: bwat wa.freei.net
Subject: FTE 97up - Deflectors

What's the deflector of choice out there for "99 SuperDuty?

i.e., I'd like the pro's & con's of some brands. ANybody have BUGFLECTOR II
that came colored? Especially in Oxford White.
Did it match your truck's paint, great or just OK?

Thanks, bwat in the wet.windy Northwest
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:51:23 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Deflectors

In a message dated 3/29/99 1:30:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, bwat wa.freei.net
writes:

I got the one from FoMoCo. price wasnt too crazy and it fits nice, directions
can go in the garbage. I sized it up and drilled the holes myself, If i would
have wasted the time on looking at directions would have taken under a hour.

Ross Smith
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4


Date:3/29/99 1:30:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:bwat wa.freei.net
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to:97up-list ford-trucks.com
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com

What's the deflector of choice out there for "99 SuperDuty?

i.e., I'd like the pro's & con's of some brands. ANybody have BUGFLECTOR II
that came colored? Especially in Oxford White.
Did it match your truck's paint, great or just OK?

Thanks, bwat in the wet.windy Northwest
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