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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Lopsided Suerduty.
FTE 97up - Price Increases
FTE 97up - Fwd for jclem visi.net
FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement
FTE 97up - Door weather-stripping
FTE 97up - Differential breather
FTE 97up - Front Leaf Mounts
RE: FTE 97up - Front Leaf Mounts
FTE 97up - Brake Shield Recall
RE: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Brake Shield Recall
FTE 97up - Lopsided Suerduty
Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement
FTE 97up - Railroad Boxcar Number Source?
RE: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement
FTE 97up - Lopsided Superduty............
Re: FTE 97up - Front Leaf Mounts
Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement
FTE 97up - '98 5.4L V8 F-150 running rough
Re: FTE 97up - Lopsided Superduty............
FTE 97up - Ford Recall: Cruise Control!!

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:36:50 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lopsided Suerduty.

We had one SD that we replaced the rear springs to fix this problem.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 5:42 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Lopsided Suerduty.


>
> Hi all,
>
> I noticed my 99 F250 SC SB 4X4 sits about
> one 1/2" to 3/4" or so low on the drivers side
>rear. I measured from floor to highest point on
>wheel well using the center of the wheel as reference.
> Its absolutely noticeable when looking from
>behind the truck. The front looks to be approx. 1/4"
>low on same side.
> Now I noticed the fuel tank is more toward
>the drivers side, could that be enough (1/4-1/2 tank
>of fuel) to do this or is something not right??
> I thought I remember somebody bringing this up.
>and was told dealer would shim it up??
>
>Thanks
>Vaughn
>99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:34:53 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Price Increases

Ford just announced price increases on most vehicle lines. If you already
had an order in you'll be price protected to the old price. Vehicles on the
lot remain at the old price.
increase $$
F-150 r/c 4x2 XL 139" styleside $81 invoice, $95 retail
F-150 r/c 4/2 XLT styleside $81 invoice $95 retail
F-250LD R/C 4x4 XLT 139" $85 invoice $95 Retail
F--150/250LD Limited slip axle $14 invoice $15 retail
F-150/250LD Two tone paint $30 $35

F-Series Super Duty
F-250 S/C 4x2 XLT 158" $81 invoice $95 Retail
F-250 S/C 4x4 XLT 158" $81 invoice $95 Retail
F-350 Crew cab DRW 4x2 XLT $64 invoice $75 Retail
6.8L V-10 engine $127 invoice $150 retail
7.3L Power Stroke $42 invoice $50 retail
Limited slip axle $14 invoice $15 Retal
Two tone paint $30 invoice $35 retail.

There were many other increases on other lines but these are the F-Series
increases

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:01:05 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 97up - Fwd for jclem visi.net

Forwarded for jclem visi.net

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:46:52 -0500
From: Jim
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Trailer Life comparison of F250SD PSD/V10

For anyone who is interested, Trailer Life magazine in the April issue
has a side by side comparison of the F250 (or F350) SD truck comparing
the V10 against the Powerstroke. I just saw the cover at Barnes and
Noble last night but have not read it yet since I subscribe and the mail
takes longer than the store does.

Also, they have a article with a F550 towing a 5th wheel travel
trailer. Looks like they're being good to Ford this month!

Jim Clem
98 F150 SC 4.6l (tow truck)



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:11:13 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement

Thank you, Nathan for the help!

My vehicle was built on 9-17-98 and takes the air from the wheel well for
the engine. The post Dec 7. trucks now have new airboxes which take air
from the left side of the radiators. Nathan investigated and supplied the
information we need to go to the dealer.

Scott Matus

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut adiis.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 7:24 PM
To: Matus, Scott A
Subject: Re: Air Box Modifications


The TSB is out. It is 99-6-4. Your dealer can get it off his computer.
The replacement airboat kit is part # XC3Z-9K635-AA .

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:11:52 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Door weather-stripping

> Can I request feedback from the members about this? My 99 F350 Crewcab
> does not have the weather-stripping on the bottom of the doors. Just the
> perimeter weather-stripping for each door. A lot of road grime builds up
> on the bottom of every door. I noticed that the newer trucks on the lot
> have the weather-stripping in place. Has anyone had the dealer install
> this free of charge? Is there a TSB on this? Or am I stuck buying these
> myself? Vehicle build date 9-17-98.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott Matus
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:12:34 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Differential breather

> I noticed the same thing that you did. I am using an inline gas filter
> that is used on older carburetor vehicles. They are made from plastic and
> are usually 2 to 3" in length. They just slip right on and the kit
> usually supplies a clamp, use it. This will filter the air entering the
> Diff and only allow minimal water vapor to enter the Diff. You can pick
> it up at Wal-Mart or local parts retailer.
>
> Scott.
> 99 F350 PSD CC 4x4
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:13:00 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Front Leaf Mounts

> Con you describe the Front Leaf Mounts that you had installed on your
> truck? I think that this is the lift that I have been looking for. I did
> not want to change the stock spring rates, but I did want to get a 2 to 3"
> lift to level out the profile of the truck. I have a good Fabricator in
> my area that could build these for me. Are they welded? if so can you
> supply the detailed design. Reply off line if it is to lengthy.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Matus
> 1999 F350 PSD CC 4x4
> 303 748-6655
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:53:22 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Front Leaf Mounts

I would also like to learn more about this setup. This is exactly what I
want to do to my truck. I know Superlift sells a 2" lift that sounds just
like this for about $540 with shocks.
Thank you,
Jeff Schapker
1999 F350 PSD DRW CC 4X4 Lariat


> Con you describe the Front Leaf Mounts that you had installed on your
> truck? I think that this is the lift that I have been looking for. I did
> not want to change the stock spring rates, but I did want to get a 2 to 3"
> lift to level out the profile of the truck. I have a good Fabricator in
> my area that could build these for me. Are they welded? if so can you
> supply the detailed design. Reply off line if it is to lengthy.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Matus
> 1999 F350 PSD CC 4x4
> 303 748-6655
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:54:51 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Brake Shield Recall

Is this a true recall. I have seen this on another site.
Thank you,
Jeff
It is Service Program Number 98B32, and covers certain 1999 model F-250
through F-550 4X4 trucks. The dealer is to install a revised brake line and
a shield. My dealer even told me the part numbers if this will help. For
F-250-350SRW with 137", 142", 156", 158" & 172" wheel base, the part number
is F81Z- 2A753-AA. For F-250-350SRW/DRW with 141", 162", 165" & 176" wheel
base, the part number is F81Z- 2A753-BA. I also have 3 other part numbers,
but they are for F-450 & 550's.


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:14:29 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement

Do they actually replace the air box? I heard they just disconnect the air
box from the duct inside the fender.
Thank you,
Jeff Schapker

Thank you, Nathan for the help!

My vehicle was built on 9-17-98 and takes the air from the wheel well for
the engine. The post Dec 7. trucks now have new airboxes which take air
from the left side of the radiators. Nathan investigated and supplied the
information we need to go to the dealer.

Scott Matus

The TSB is out. It is 99-6-4. Your dealer can get it off his computer.
The replacement airboat kit is part # XC3Z-9K635-AA .

Nathan


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:50:42 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Brake Shield Recall

We've done several of these, all it does is put a cover over the brake lines
incase a rock would hit the line the cover protects it.

Nathan

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From: Jeff Schapker
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 9:56 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Brake Shield Recall


>Is this a true recall. I have seen this on another site.
>Thank you,
>Jeff
> It is Service Program Number 98B32, and covers certain 1999 model F-250
>through F-550 4X4 trucks. The dealer is to install a revised brake line and
>a shield. My dealer even told me the part numbers if this will help. For
>F-250-350SRW with 137", 142", 156", 158" & 172" wheel base, the part number
>is F81Z- 2A753-AA. For F-250-350SRW/DRW with 141", 162", 165" & 176" wheel
>base, the part number is F81Z- 2A753-BA. I also have 3 other part numbers,
>but they are for F-450 & 550's.
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:49:44 -0800
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lopsided Suerduty

Likely and hopefully it is something that replacing the springs will fix. If
that doesn't do it, have a body shop check it. I had a 91 Dodge half ton
that leaned 1/2 inch to one side. I had it back to the dealer 3 times, and
each time they told me "It's within our specs...we checked other trucks on
the lot, and they lean too." It was so noticeable from the rear that other
people commented on it. So off to a body shop it went, where they put it up
on racks and did some sort of diagnostical analysis and found that the frame
was bent. After this, of course, the dealer acknowledged it, tried to
explain that might have happened when they cinched it down on the semi for
transport. Yeah, whatever. I made them replace the truck. This is an
extreme case, but something to consider if all other remedies fail to level
out your truck.

I hope the best for you.

Kirk

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:17:07 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement

That was the first TSB that helped but didn't fix the problem. The new TSB
is a whole new air box and battery cover that takes the air from the grille
area instead of the fender. If you look at a truck built after Dec 7th it
already has this installed.

Nathan

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From: Jeff Schapker
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement


>Do they actually replace the air box? I heard they just disconnect the air
>box from the duct inside the fender.
>Thank you,
>Jeff Schapker
>
>Thank you, Nathan for the help!
>
>My vehicle was built on 9-17-98 and takes the air from the wheel well for
>the engine. The post Dec 7. trucks now have new airboxes which take air
>from the left side of the radiators. Nathan investigated and supplied the
>information we need to go to the dealer.
>
>Scott Matus
>
>The TSB is out. It is 99-6-4. Your dealer can get it off his computer.
>The replacement airboat kit is part # XC3Z-9K635-AA .
>
>Nathan
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:48:09 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Railroad Boxcar Number Source?

Those of you whom have gotten the railroad boxcar number of
your truck shipment, where did you get that number from, the
dealership or Ford Customer Care or someone else?

Thanks,

Charles.



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:25:03 -0800
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement

Thanks Nathan for answering my questions.
Jeff

That was the first TSB that helped but didn't fix the problem. The new TSB
is a whole new air box and battery cover that takes the air from the grille
area instead of the fender. If you look at a truck built after Dec 7th it
already has this installed.

Nathan
>Do they actually replace the air box? I heard they just disconnect the air
>box from the duct inside the fender.
>Thank you,
>Jeff Schapker
>
>Thank you, Nathan for the help!
>
>My vehicle was built on 9-17-98 and takes the air from the wheel well for
>the engine. The post Dec 7. trucks now have new airboxes which take air
>from the left side of the radiators. Nathan investigated and supplied the
>information we need to go to the dealer.
>
>Scott Matus
>
>The TSB is out. It is 99-6-4. Your dealer can get it off his computer.
>The replacement airboat kit is part # XC3Z-9K635-AA .
>
>Nathan


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:40:20 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lopsided Superduty............

Thanks to everybody who responded to the lopsided
SD.
Its going into the dealer in two weeks so we will
see whats up.

Thanks
Vaughn






Likely and hopefully it is something that replacing the springs
will fix. If that doesn't do it, have a body shop check it. I
had a 91 Dodge half ton that leaned 1/2 inch to one side. I had
it back to the dealer 3 times, and each time they told me "It's
within our specs...we checked other trucks on the lot, and they
lean too." It was so noticeable from the rear that other people
commented on it. So off to a body shop it went, where they put
it up on racks and did some sort of diagnostical analysis and
found that the frame was bent. After this, of course, the dealer
acknowledged it, tried to explain that might have happened when
they cinched it down on the semi for transport. Yeah, whatever.
I made them replace the truck. This is an extreme case, but
something to consider if all other remedies fail to level out
your truck.

I hope the best for you.

Kirk

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:58:09 EST
From: BIGDAAG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front Leaf Mounts

Hi everyone, I got my old mounts out today and climbed under my truck to
compare them to the new ones. The old ones are about 9 1/2 inches across the
top, 6 1/2 on the front side, and 6 3/4 inches on the rear side(triangle
shaped). The new ones are 9inches across the top, 9 1/4 down the front, and
11 inches on the rear side. These are all measurements for the front mount on
the front springs. I measured the horizontal distance from the bolt holes
that mount to the frame to the bolt hole that mounts the spring. Stock was 4
1/2 inches and the new mounts measured 7 1/2, so I got 3 inches of lift.
The rear mount of the front leafs is 9 1/2 inches long. I don't have the
original mount, so I don't know the difference there.
It is hard to explain what they look like in much more detail. I'll take
some pictures this weekend, if they turn out, I would be glad to send copies
if you are interested. E Mail me directly with your address.
I have to go down to the dealer next week. While I'm there, I'll ask if
they will sell and ship the kit, and what they would charge. If I can be of
any more help let me know.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:40:24 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Air Box Replacement

All I can say is, THANK YOU Nathan, when I brought mine in the second time
around for the problem, they did not have a newer TSB for the "real" fix.
They acted like I did not know what I was talking about when I said, walk in
your lot and look at the New delivery of trucks and you would see a reworked
air system.
I went fishing this last weekend and had to use one of those old forest
sytem roads to get to the river.This road has many potholes that are full of
water and after coming home from this expedition, my truck started running
rough and was harder to start than normal. I inspected the air filter and it
seemed okay, but may have been damp. I also drained the fuel filter and it
seemed that the truck ran better. Maybe all the bouncing around mixed water
from the bottom of the tank and ended up in the fuel.
They did tell me that if I could bring the correct TSB # , they would be
happy to fix it. I am not complaining about my dealer, because they have
treated me well and have done most everything that I have asked of them. But,
now I have the TSB and can approach them with this problem.
I will call them and have them order the parts and will keep all posted.

Thanks to all,
Steve Ng....The FishNg1
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:25:19 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: FTE 97up - '98 5.4L V8 F-150 running rough

I am having a major problem with my truck and I hope some of you guys know
what it might be. It seems that after only 7100 miles my truck is begining
to shake worse than the Northridge earthquake here in Cali. It idles really
rough. Whenever the accelerator is down it runs like new but whenever I'm
stopped at a stop sign or red light it starts vibrating again. It almost
seems like there are a bunch of little surges going on. There have even
been times that the truck has rocked side to side at a stop light. Every
time I have passengers in my truck they comment about the shaking so I know
it's no in my head. I have already taken the truck to the selling
dealership twice but they say that their "tune-up guy" can't find anything
wrong. I finally got one of the techs. to call one of his friends down in
the Kentucky factory where my truck was built to see if they might know
anything about this but his friend won't be back to work until Monday. Has
anybody out there had the same problem? If so, how did you solve it? Also,
here in California can this qualify my truck as a lemon? I love my truck
dearly, but not even my highly modified '88 Chevy Silverado C1500 pickup
shake like my new F-150 and if I can't find a solution I will go ahead and
try to have Ford buy my truck back. Please, help!




Thanks,
Jose Pomposo

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:36:48 -0800
From: Chuck Haugen
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lopsided Superduty............

This dialogue scares the hell out of me........found that the right front
corner seems too low and there is no spring set-up, just shocks and axles, so
what is there to adjust up or down that would be a solid stationary item that
doesn't move with the truck (a 97 F250 LD 4x4 with a 5.4L) There is a
self(auto) leveling system in the rear with two leaf springs (BTW...this systm
sometimes "runs" when there is no engine running or ignition on) Anybody
knows or even guesses on this one. I am the second owner and there is
evidence of off-roading; the Transmission pan has a slight dent and the cross
brace guarding the pan just behind it has been hit in the center only with a
slight bend, but not structurally so as to change anything.

Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
>
> Thanks to everybody who responded to the lopsided
> SD.
> Its going into the dealer in two weeks so we will
> see whats up.
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
>
> Likely and hopefully it is something that replacing the springs
> will fix. If that doesn't do it, have a body shop check it. I
> had a 91 Dodge half ton that leaned 1/2 inch to one side. I had
> it back to the dealer 3 times, and each time they told me "It's
> within our specs...we checked other trucks on the lot, and they
> lean too." It was so noticeable from the rear that other people
> commented on it. So off to a body shop it went, where they put
> it up on racks and did some sort of diagnostical analysis and
> found that the frame was bent. After this, of course, the dealer
> acknowledged it, tried to explain that might have happened when
> they cinched it down on the semi for transport. Yeah, whatever.
> I made them replace the truck. This is an extreme case, but
> something to consider if all other remedies fail to level out
> your truck.
>
> I hope the best for you.
>
> Kirk
>
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