97up-list-digest Tuesday, March 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 070



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Dash
Re:FTE 97up - Excursion
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD ABS light
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
RE: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
Re: FTE 97up - Excursion
FTE 97up - Update to Transmission fluid leak
FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors
RE: FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors
FTE 97up - Re: Re: Delivery of '99 Crewcabs
Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results
Re: FTE 97up - Update to Transmission fluid leak
Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results
Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results
Re: FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:35:38 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dash

There is no way to remove the panel it is one piece with the rest of the
dash pad. When ESOF is installed they just cut the opening in this area.
And as far as space behind, you could not fill the cavity behind this area.

Scott.

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:11:33 -0800
From: "Colin Walker"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dash panel removal.

Hello all. I have been lurking on the list for some time and now I would
like to consult the collective list wisdom.

I have a 99 F250 SD XLT 4X4 V10 with manual transfer case and 5 speed. There
is a small rectangular dash panel to the right of the steering column and to
the left of the vent controls. I suspect it is where the shift on the fly
controls would go if I had ordered that option. Is it possible to remove
this panel easily? I would like to mount a switch block in that space. How
much space is behind that panel? Depth? How do I remove the panel without
damaging the dash?

Any instructions would be great!
Thanks for your time.

Colin Walker.
Portland Oregon.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:08:56 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: Re:FTE 97up - Excursion

Nathan, thanks for the engine/towing info on the excursion.
There is a great new Ford media site no ones mentioned. I think it must be
at least quasi-factory sponsored if not fully. It's called
www.fordunleashed.com and it has a fairly detailed writeup with mega
pictures on the Excursion. They appear to be factory brochure photos with
the removed passenger side showing the interior also. Some other neat
features is the liftup rear glass with 2 half doors beneath it! Check it
out.
Mike


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:06:54 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD ABS light

The best way to get the mechanic to ride with you and get the truck to act
up. It sounds like its a electrical problem or possibly a bad speed
sensor. If the sensor would quit working, your speedo would drop to 0, ABS
wouldn't work, Cruise control wouldn't work, and transmission wouldn't go
into OD.

I haven't installed a Ford alarm, but their keyless entry usually has a wire
that acts as the antenna. It gets hidden in the interior so you wouldn't be
able to find it.

Nathan Bernard
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From: Dave Sturtze
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD ABS light


>Just got my 99 SD SC LB 4x4 V10 back from the service dept after
>developing a problem with what I think is the computer. At any speed
>when I hit a bump or small pot hole the ABS light goes on the
>speedometer and tach drop to almost zero for about 3-4 sec then the
>torque converter slips the trans downshifts ( loads of fun at 70+ mph).
>Well dealer says they can't duplicate, funny because it happened to me
>driving out of the lot when I drove over their speed bump, and returned
>the truck after 2 days with only changing oil and air filter. So I get
>home reset the alarm from valet mode only to find my remote doesn't work
>( Ford factory alarm and remote door lock ) I check the alarm and, isn't
>it suposed to have an antenea? So now I can't secure my truck and have
>to either keep it on valet or use the starter over-ride switch. Anyhow
>my question is , does anyone out there have any idea what might be
>causing the ABS light/speedo problem or where the antenea is supposed to
>go on the alarm module ( if I can even find the antenea wire)?
>Thanks
> Dave
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:10:54 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal

For what the tool costs, I'd reccomend getting one, or stop into the dealer
where you bought it and ask if you could use a set of theirs. It only takes
a second to remove a radio. You insert the two U shaped hooks (two holes on
each side of radio). Push out slightly, and pull radio out of the dash.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Norm Brown
To: 97up-list
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:18 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal


>I need to get to the back of the radio on my '99 SD. Some of the posts
>for removing the dash indicate that the radio is connected to the dash
>and removing the dash will also remove the radio. Others disagree. (I
>have a hand held CB and want to connect an antenna splitter in order to
>use the same outside antenna for both CB and radio. I know that the
>antenna for the CB will not be tuned for good SWR)
>
>If I want to remove the radio, what is the procedure?
>
>Thanks
>
>Norm


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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:18:31 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal

If you can not get ahold of the tool, you can also make the same tool out of
a coat hanger. Cut 2 pieces of coat hanger about 10" long each. Bend
each one into a U shape. Insert each one of these into the holes on each
side of the radio and as Nathan mentioned below, push out and remove the
radio. It is very simple.


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Union Auto [SMTP:unionaut adiis.net]
> Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 1999 8:11 PM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
>
> For what the tool costs, I'd reccomend getting one, or stop into the
> dealer
> where you bought it and ask if you could use a set of theirs. It only
> takes
> a second to remove a radio. You insert the two U shaped hooks (two holes
> on
> each side of radio). Push out slightly, and pull radio out of the dash.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norm Brown
> To: 97up-list
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:18 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
>
>
> >I need to get to the back of the radio on my '99 SD. Some of the posts
> >for removing the dash indicate that the radio is connected to the dash
> >and removing the dash will also remove the radio. Others disagree. (I
> >have a hand held CB and want to connect an antenna splitter in order to
> >use the same outside antenna for both CB and radio. I know that the
> >antenna for the CB will not be tuned for good SWR)
> >
> >If I want to remove the radio, what is the procedure?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Norm
>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:43:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Excursion

Its not factory sponsored. Its using press releases from Ford's
media site (for media members only, requires a password).
www.blueovalnews.com uses the same source, as does Ford Truck
Enthusiasts (but we only use the truck press releases).

Mike McNany wrote:
>
> Nathan, thanks for the engine/towing info on the excursion.
> There is a great new Ford media site no ones mentioned. I think it must be
> at least quasi-factory sponsored if not fully. It's called
> www.fordunleashed.com and it has a fairly detailed writeup with mega
> pictures on the Excursion. They appear to be factory brochure photos with
> the removed passenger side showing the interior also. Some other neat
> features is the liftup rear glass with 2 half doors beneath it! Check it
> out.
> Mike
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:34:32 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Update to Transmission fluid leak

Update to 3/19/99 post of transmission cooler leak with 72
miles on a 1999 F-250, V10, trailer tow, super cab. Talked
to parts manager this morning, he tells me the trans cooler
is a new model part and will have to come from the truck
assembly plants production stock. Production stock are the
parts at the assembly plant waiting to be install on the
assembly line. In other words if the plant only has enought
coolers to feed production and make in plant repairs, I do
not get a cooler. ( As I've worked in an assembly plant for
over 30 years I have seen this happen many times). So the
wait is on and my new pickup sets at the dealer waiting for
parts. I was also told there has been problems with these
new model part transmission coolers, actual problem he did
not say (maybe someone on the list knows more)? As near as I
can tell mine failed sometime after 50 miles. I stopped at
about 50 miles to check an under hood noise (which was a
piece of paper near the fan) and did not see a leak at that
time. The build date on the truck is 3/5/99. Have any others
had cooler leaks or failures. Bill
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:41:18 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors

Has anyone installed the Ford mud flaps/deflectors on a 1999
F-250 SD Lariat with the factory installed running boards??
Do they fit ok?? Is there a Ford rear flap available?? Is
there more than one size?? Anyone have the part numbers?
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:01:49 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors

Bill,

Although the shots are not closeups, you can get an idea what they look like
from my truck.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wsuarez.com/images/Image01-3-21.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wsuarez.com/images/Image02-3-21.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wsuarez.com/images/Image03-3-21.jpg

Regards,

Bill Suarez

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From: Bill [mailto:kg8aw ismi.net]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 12:41 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors


Has anyone installed the Ford mud flaps/deflectors on a 1999
F-250 SD Lariat with the factory installed running boards??
Do they fit ok?? Is there a Ford rear flap available?? Is
there more than one size?? Anyone have the part numbers?
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:13:41 -0800
From: Bob Mosso
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Delivery of '99 Crewcabs

Thanks for all the responses. I apologize for not responding sooner, I
was out for the weekend.

John, crew cabs with the PSD can be found here in SoCal, I just can't
see spending over $4000 for an option I don't want. There was even a
5.4L crew cab on a local lot, I need the V10.

George P., it sounds like 4 to 5 months is the norm. The wife wanted the
Lariat, I was happy with XLT, we would have taken just about any V10
crew cab if it was on the lot. Anyone ordering a vehicle should
checkout www.wheels.com prior to ordering, perhaps I could have
shortened my delivery by a few months...

Charles, the dealer told me 6 weeks (not months). When I was hunting the
local lots other dealers told me 8 to 12 weeks. I didn't believe my
dealer when he said 6 weeks, I was planning on 12 weeks. It will be 10
weeks tomorrow, still unscheduled......

Nathan, my order has been a priority "10" since Jan 15th.......

Stu, I had to look at the Chevys, I need a new tow vehicle, now would be
nice. Never really intended to buy one, just looked. The Chevys were new
1998s, could probably get one under invoice.... I've even looked into
buying a used F250HD for the amount I'd be putting down on the new one,
I need a tow vehicle. I'm new to the list and figured I'd get some
reaction with the Chevy comments.

Julian, it's stories like yours that keeps me buying Ford, or at least
ordering and hoping to buy :).

George C., I'll check it out. I'm always looking for good information
but it would take a lot to sway me towards Chevy.

Gene, I ordered the power tow mirrors, let you know later this year (or
early next year) how I like them....... If my order takes as long as
yours I'll be getting a MY'00! (maybe I should change my order to a
'00?).

Thanks everyone, now I understand,
Bob Mosso

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:51:58 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results

I installed the borla Stainless Steel Exhaust on my '98 Expedition and was
so happy with it I installed the dual-pipe (rear-exit) cat-back system on my
'99 F-350 SuperDuty / SuperCab / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / SRW / LongBed. I had
looked into Gibson, but did not do a comparison between that and Borla,
because I was happy with the Borla on my '98 expedition.) On all Borla
systems, the hardware is stainless steel and comes with a million mile
warrantee. However, I do wish I had comparison shopped, just to make sure I
did not miss something. Did you investigate different brands or just decide
to go with the Gibson based on ads or recommendations from friends? If you
did comparison shop, could you list the factors that sold you on Gibson?
Thanks!

Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Landen Stoker
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results


>Well after lurking around and picking up as much information as possible, I
>decided to install a stainless Gibson dual exhaust system on my 98 F150
>Sport V6. It has been installed now for about a month, so I thought I would
>post to the list my results. I do not have access to a drag strip or dyno
>so, all I can give is my opinions. I can't say if it increased horsepower
or
>not but, I did notice a nice difference in the feel of shifting. It just
>shifts smoother than it used to. I filled the tank up previous to the
>install and after filling it up again, I can say that it did increase MPG.
I
>saw and continue to see about an increase of 2 - 2.5 MPG. In my opinion
that
>is pretty good. I finally decided it was time to put a K&N Filter in, it
>seems like they make a nice combination of upgrades. My only dislike about
>the Gibson , is that the u-bolts are not stainless or even plated, they
>rusted solid in about a week. So if you feel the way I do about that, you
>need to take into consideration the extra cost of putting stainless,
>galvanized, or plated u-bolts on, and add that to the price of the system.
>For those of you that are interested in the sound, it is not loud, but it
>does change the sound from stock to a mellower tone. Under load or
>acceleration you hear a nice rumble in the cab. I am sure it would sound
>really nice if you put it on a V8. Sorry for rambling on. I hope this is
>useful to someone.
>
>Landen Stoker
>KC5QDZ TCAC.NET
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:46:00 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Update to Transmission fluid leak

I had one that leaked (damaged cooler) about three days after it came in. I
was able to get a cooler overnight and no problems since.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:37 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Update to Transmission fluid leak


>Update to 3/19/99 post of transmission cooler leak with 72
>miles on a 1999 F-250, V10, trailer tow, super cab. Talked
>to parts manager this morning, he tells me the trans cooler
>is a new model part and will have to come from the truck
>assembly plants production stock. Production stock are the
>parts at the assembly plant waiting to be install on the
>assembly line. In other words if the plant only has enought
>coolers to feed production and make in plant repairs, I do
>not get a cooler. ( As I've worked in an assembly plant for
>over 30 years I have seen this happen many times). So the
>wait is on and my new pickup sets at the dealer waiting for
>parts. I was also told there has been problems with these
>new model part transmission coolers, actual problem he did
>not say (maybe someone on the list knows more)? As near as I
>can tell mine failed sometime after 50 miles. I stopped at
>about 50 miles to check an under hood noise (which was a
>piece of paper near the fan) and did not see a leak at that
>time. The build date on the truck is 3/5/99. Have any others
>had cooler leaks or failures. Bill


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:05:20 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results

How's the V-10 sound with Duals? I've had some people thinking about
exhaust, but the Dodge V-10 sounds terrible with duals so everyone's been
afraid to try it on a Ford until someone else does.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results


>I installed the borla Stainless Steel Exhaust on my '98 Expedition and was
>so happy with it I installed the dual-pipe (rear-exit) cat-back system on
my
>'99 F-350 SuperDuty / SuperCab / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / SRW / LongBed. I had
>looked into Gibson, but did not do a comparison between that and Borla,
> because I was happy with the Borla on my '98 expedition.) On all Borla
>systems, the hardware is stainless steel and comes with a million mile
>warrantee. However, I do wish I had comparison shopped, just to make sure
I
>did not miss something. Did you investigate different brands or just
decide
>to go with the Gibson based on ads or recommendations from friends? If you
>did comparison shop, could you list the factors that sold you on Gibson?
>Thanks!
>
>Keith
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:56:56 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results

Nathan, so far I only heard it from outside my truck as my dealer's
technician was backing it out of the bay to park it for me to take home
today (had it installed this morning). Very nice growl, (even better than
the rather respectable growl of the stock '98 Explorer with the optional
V-8). Quiet idle, lower tone but about the same volume (or very slightly
more) than stock. Once you give it gas, then the difference is quality of
tone and a little increased volume, also, when going home, I really gave it
the gas and noticed no exhaust "hiss" that the stock systems have a tiny bit
of. The tips for the duals out the rear sit just below the rear bumper, one
on each side, and do not extend out beyond the bumper (which is a relief, I
did not want exhaust pipes interfering with loading, etc.). So far, so
good. No rattles or vibration, they miss everything by a good clearance
margin.

Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results


>How's the V-10 sound with Duals? I've had some people thinking about
>exhaust, but the Dodge V-10 sounds terrible with duals so everyone's been
>afraid to try it on a Ford until someone else does.
>
>Nathan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Veren
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:58 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gibson Exhaust Results
>
>
>>I installed the borla Stainless Steel Exhaust on my '98 Expedition and
was
>>so happy with it I installed the dual-pipe (rear-exit) cat-back system on
>my
>>'99 F-350 SuperDuty / SuperCab / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / SRW / LongBed. I had
>>looked into Gibson, but did not do a comparison between that and Borla,
>> because I was happy with the Borla on my '98 expedition.) On all Borla
>>systems, the hardware is stainless steel and comes with a million mile
>>warrantee. However, I do wish I had comparison shopped, just to make sure
>I
>>did not miss something. Did you investigate different brands or just
>decide
>>to go with the Gibson based on ads or recommendations from friends? If
you
>>did comparison shop, could you list the factors that sold you on Gibson?
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Keith
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:48:49 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mud flaps or mud deflectors....


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