97up-list-digest Tuesday, January 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 007



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty
Re: FTE 97up - Disable Door Chime?
Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires
Re: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Group Purchase
FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??
Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??
Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??
Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter....
FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:48:59 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty

The dealer has no requirement to provide a loaner. I provide them on a case
by case basis. If you didn't buy your vehicle from me though, I can pretty
much guarantee you won't get a loaner. Otherwise it depends what you need.
I can't afford to loan a car out for a oil change, but if it would be tied
up for a few hours I can usually find a car.

Nathan Bernard

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 6:16 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty


>what is the dealer required to do as far as a loaner goes when you in for
>repairs under the 3/36 warranty.
>
>//ck


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:39:34 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Disable Door Chime?

We had our NGS tester plugged into a Super Duty the other day and found out
you can reprogram the GEM to disable key in ignition warning, seat belt
warning , and a bunch of other stuff without affecting certain features that
you might want.

Nathan
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From: Brian K Moberg
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:14 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Disable Door Chime?


>This has probably been brought up before but what is the easiest way to
>disable the lights on/key in ignition chime on a 1998 F-150?
>
>Thanks in advance.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:30:24 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires

Keith,

My STOP problem is significant enough to warrant rotation.
My rear tires wear out faster than the fronts. I am getting
better though, I must admit since I shelled out $1000.00 CDN
for some BFG's I don't STOP as much.


Regards

Jean Marc Chartier


Keith Veren wrote:
>
> Typically, front tires wear first from the increased road friction being the
> primary braking wheels and wear from being the primary "directors" during
> steering. "STOP" syndrome, as you define it, (which I often get, but
> usually in my old big-block chevy project cars, not my Expedition or F-350),
> if not carried to excess, could help equalize the front-rear wear times.
>
> Keith
> >
> > As I suffer from the STOP (spin tires on pavement) syndrome
> >I must rotate my tires as the rear tend to wear out before
> >the front. As far as vibration goes, worn out tires will
> >vibrate more than new ones regardless of where you put them.
> >I suspect that one gets used to the vibration until you
> >change it places, like when you rotate tires. Yes I must
> >sometimes have the front realigned, but it does save the
> >tires. I guess until I correct my STOP syndrome I will be
> >forced to rotate and realign.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:50:45 -0500
From: Chris Akers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Group Purchase

Tiger wrote:
> Since my 4.6L V8 is performing so poorly (11 MPG at best) I'm ready to try
> almost anything the improve the engine.

Ouch! Unless you drive around at WOT everywhere, I'd say you've got
some other problem...

> The only reason I don't get a K&N
> air kit is that the Ford dealer said it voids the warranty. He said something
> about oil contamination from the K&N can hurt the airflow sensor and the
> engine, so Ford wouldn't warranty the engine any more.

There has been a lot of discussion on the F150 online list about this.
Apparently
some dealers had linked the failure of the MAF sensor back to
customer-overoiling
of a K&N filter that goes in the stock airbox (not the full FIPK that replaces
the
airbox and ducting, but the filter that just replaces the stock filter). K&N
says
this isn't a problem with the full FIPK...

> I have recently seen several threads about this here, as well as on the Ford
> newsgroup. It seems that the end of the story is that Ford will void your
> warranty if they find out you have a K&N, while people here say there usually

This is a touchy issue on which I've had extensive personal experience - by
being denied warranty coverage on a late-model GM vehicle that I had lightly
modified. What it comes down to is your relationship with _your_ dealer
service department. I've known guys with superchargers, hot cams, etc on
their cars/trucks and still get warranty replacement of shot rear ends,
transmissions, etc with no problems, while others get denied for much
less. It all goes back to the service department's judgement call. Since
I have a great relationship with my Ford dealer where I got
my '97 and now '98 F150, I don't worry about any mods that I might do
to it - including the K&N, headers, exhaust, etc. I'm sure they will
treat me right. If I was worried about it, I would remove the aftermarket
airbox before I took the truck in for warranty work.

> Of course Ford has to prove
> that the filter damaged your engine, but who has the time and money to fight
> that if they refuse to honor your warranty?

Exactly right! You won't win against a dealer. About the only thing you can do
is un-modify whatever it is that gave them a problem and go to another dealer.

> So my present course of action is not to get one, as much as I'd like to,
> until I get more facts.

Good call, especially if you aren't comfortable with it. Lemme know if
you change your mind. :-)

jC. '67 Camaro, '95 Z28, '98 F150
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Celotek Corporation phone:919-462-1900 x259
P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.celotek.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:29:15 -0500
From: Tom Spangler
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??

>Since my 4.6L V8 is performing so poorly (11 MPG at best) I'm ready to try
>almost anything the improve the engine. The only reason I don't get a K&N
>air kit is that the Ford dealer said it voids the warranty. He said something
>about oil contamination from the K&N can hurt the airflow sensor and the
>engine, so Ford wouldn't warranty the engine any more.
>
>I have recently seen several threads about this here, as well as on the Ford
>newsgroup. It seems that the end of the story is that Ford will void your
>warranty if they find out you have a K&N, while people here say there usually
>aren't any problems unless you don't know what you're doing (and I don't -- I
>don't even know why people oil their air filters). Of course Ford has to
prove
>that the filter damaged your engine, but who has the time and money to fight
>that if they refuse to honor your warranty?
>
>I don't know what to do about installing a K&N because Ford thinks they are
>bad,
>yet all of the Ford enthusiasts here seem to be using them without problems.
>So my present course of action is not to get one, as much as I'd like to,
>until
>I get more facts.
>

Your dealer told you that? Sounds like a load of crap to me. I've
installed K&N air filters in every vehicle I've owned for the past 6-7
years, and I've taken them to the dealer for warranty service and they
(Brighton Ford and Varsity Ford) have never said anything about it. This
includes a 93 Taurus SHO (lemon that went back to the dealer at least 10
times), a 95 Mustang GT, and a 94 Ranger STX 4x4. And I always put those
little "Stop-vehicle equipped with a non-disposable air filter" stickers on
so Joe Mechanic doesn't throw it out to put in a Fram or something. So
they *knew* that I had K&Ns installed. It's just an air filter, after all.
What's next? Your warranty is void if you install Bosch spark plugs
instead of Motorcraft? Bah, they'd never make it stick if you challenged
them.




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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:49:34 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??

So, I take it that it's ok to use a different brand of motor oil and oil filter
other than Motorcraft without voiding the warranty too???

Tom Spangler wrote:

> >I don't know what to do about installing a K&N because Ford thinks they are
> >bad,
> >yet all of the Ford enthusiasts here seem to be using them without problems.
> >So my present course of action is not to get one, as much as I'd like to,
> >until
> >I get more facts.
> >
>
> Your dealer told you that? Sounds like a load of crap to me.
> What's next? Your warranty is void if you install Bosch spark plugs
> instead of Motorcraft? Bah, they'd never make it stick if you challenged
> them.
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:55:49 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter voids warranty??

In a message dated 99-01-11 17:36:02 EST, you write:


PLEASE ............. GO POSTAL that just a bunch of BS, i have probably had
3-4 cars and trucks car with them no one ever said anything at the dealer.

BTW : anyone know when K &N plans to release one for 99 PSD?

thanks
Ross Smith
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
9sec93cobra



Date:99-01-11 17:36:02 EST
From:tspangle ismi.net (Tom Spangler)
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>Since my 4.6L V8 is performing so poorly (11 MPG at best) I'm ready to try
>almost anything the improve the engine. The only reason I don't get a K&N
>air kit is that the Ford dealer said it voids the warranty. He said
something
>about oil contamination from the K&N can hurt the airflow sensor and the
>engine, so Ford wouldn't warranty the engine any more.
>
>I have recently seen several threads about this here, as well as on the Ford
>newsgroup. It seems that the end of the story is that Ford will void your
>warranty if they find out you have a K&N, while people here say there
usually
>aren't any problems unless you don't know what you're doing (and I don't --
I
>don't even know why people oil their air filters). Of course Ford has to
prove
>that the filter damaged your engine, but who has the time and money to fight
>that if they refuse to honor your warranty?
>
>I don't know what to do about installing a K&N because Ford thinks they are
>bad,
>yet all of the Ford enthusiasts here seem to be using them without problems.
>So my present course of action is not to get one, as much as I'd like to,
>until
>I get more facts.
>

Your dealer told you that? Sounds like a load of crap to me. I've
installed K&N air filters in every vehicle I've owned for the past 6-7
years, and I've taken them to the dealer for warranty service and they
(Brighton Ford and Varsity Ford) have never said anything about it. This
includes a 93 Taurus SHO (lemon that went back to the dealer at least 10
times), a 95 Mustang GT, and a 94 Ranger STX 4x4. And I always put those
little "Stop-vehicle equipped with a non-disposable air filter" stickers on
so Joe Mechanic doesn't throw it out to put in a Fram or something. So
they *knew* that I had K&Ns installed. It's just an air filter, after all.
What's next? Your warranty is void if you install Bosch spark plugs
instead of Motorcraft? Bah, they'd never make it stick if you challenged
them.




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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:59:37 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N filter....

I was just looking at the K&N filters in JC Whitney.......around $35-$40.
Have any of you noticed a difference in power or gas mileage?

Also, try looking at www.nationalfuelsaver.com . A friend of mine had an
F-150 that was getting around 12mpg and he swears this little device
increased his mileage to 15mpg....he has kept careful track of his mileage
so I believe him...he swears by it. I just ordered one today for $99.00 and
they do not void manufacture warranty.

- -Brandt

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:37:07 -0800
From: Gordon Croft
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

I have a '99 F-250 SD V10.

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the oil pressure gauge
doesn't seem to move? It goes to about mid point and that's it.
Doesn't matter if it's cold, hot, idling or running fast.
The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.

Any comments?
Gord
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:21:19 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

Gordon Croft wrote:
>
> I have a '99 F-250 SD V10.
>
> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the oil pressure gauge
> doesn't seem to move? It goes to about mid point and that's it.
> Doesn't matter if it's cold, hot, idling or running fast.
> The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
>
> Any comments?
> Gord

Likewise on my 99 Mazda B2500 2.5L.

Michael
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:07:24 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

On the expedition, the oil gauge is really a two-setting "idiot light" with
a needle instead of a light. That's right, it is NOT an analog guage, it
reads only normal / low / or no oil pressure by positioning the needle in
the normal spot / low spot / or in the off position, respectively. I think
the '99 V-10 may also be like this. Maybe Nathan knows?



- -----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Croft
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:43 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge


>I have a '99 F-250 SD V10.
>
>Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the oil pressure gauge
>doesn't seem to move? It goes to about mid point and that's it.
>Doesn't matter if it's cold, hot, idling or running fast.
>The voltmeter doesn't seem to change either.
>
>Any comments?
>Gord
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 03:16:57 EST
From: KCochran1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil pressure gauge

In a message dated 1/11/99 8:46:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gordon_croft bc.sympatico.ca writes:

> I have a '99 F-250 SD V10.
>
> Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the oil pressure gauge....


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