97up-list-digest Sunday, March 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 068



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - The rest of the story!
FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
FTE 97up - (4) 454 Chevy crew cabs
Re: FTE 97up - The rest of the story!
FTE 97up - Re: Rool top cover
Re: FTE 97up - (4) 454 Chevy crew cabs
FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.
RE: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.
RE: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
Re: FTE 97up - (4) 454 Chevy crew cabs -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Super duty V-10 intake modification
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal
RE: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.
Re: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.
FTE 97up - 99 SD ABS light
FTE 97up - Engine oil leak
FTE 97up - 400 HP V-10

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:51:48 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The rest of the story!

Well Bill, I've got one for you....
In 1968, My grandfather, at the age of 65, bought his FIRST brand new
car, A 1968 Ford custom, with the then NEW 240 Cu in 6 Cyl engine.....

(and a whole bag of never before seen emissions controls)

Very proud day, Smile could be seen for fifteen miles. He Picked up the
car at 2 in the afternoon, loaded My cripled grandmother, and all her
equipment into the car, and drove the 1.5 Miles from the dealer to My
parents house, pulled into the driveway, (which my father just had
paved) and shut the car off. The engine then dieseled (Ran with the key
off) for what seemed like 2 minutes, broke one of the motor mounts, and
the engine "Fell" to the side with the broken mount, crushing the Oil
filter between the frame and the engine, and pumped the entire contents
of the oil pan onto the new pavement.....Needless to say, My grandfather
was crushed, as they towed his pride and joy back to the dealer.

My dad was none too happy either, and it took 20 years to get me to even
THINK about purchasing ANYTHING made by Ford.

The engine always seemed to have a problem with valve lifters / oil
starvation after that, but it did run a long time....

Good luck with your new truck.....It has to get better....Right????

Frank



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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:18:18 -0600
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal

I need to get to the back of the radio on my '99 SD. Some of the posts
for removing the dash indicate that the radio is connected to the dash
and removing the dash will also remove the radio. Others disagree. (I
have a hand held CB and want to connect an antenna splitter in order to
use the same outside antenna for both CB and radio. I know that the
antenna for the CB will not be tuned for good SWR)

If I want to remove the radio, what is the procedure?

Thanks

Norm
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:22:14 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 97up - (4) 454 Chevy crew cabs

>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:25:46 -0800
>From: Bob Mosso
>Subject: FTE 97up - Delivery of '99 Crewcabs
>
>I ordered a F250 V10 crew cab sb 2wd Lariat back in January and Ford
>still isn't building my truck. On 1/18 Ford confirmed the order as
>"clean unscheduled" or "waiting selection by computer", the status has
>never changed. I'm getting very impatient, to the point of looking on
>the local (go ahead curse me) Chevy lot.


You'd be cursing yourself to buy one of them! I won't curse you for making
your own mistakes. It's your money.
:)

>
>Does anyone know why '99 crew cabs are hard to find on the lots? or not
>being built? Is there a part shortage, quality problems? The dealer and
>Ford customer service just give me "clean unscheduled". Is there any way
>to find out when Ford will build crew cabs?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Bob (truckless) Mosso
>(the local Chevy dealer has 4 454 crew cabs on the lot, which color do I
>want?)

Bob,

I have a buddy who had a 95 crew cab dually 454 Generic Motors brand that
was in the shop 38 times in less than 2 years. He had 7 transmissions and
3 engines repaired or replaced as well as various other significant
problems. Chevy offered little or NO help whatsoever. When he finally got
ahold of someone in Corporate, they pushed and shoved on the dealer until
the dealer was forced to offer some help. The dealer said he was going to
do a lot of things until it came time to do them. He ended up driving 350
miles to Little Rock to buy a Dodge Dually (I could not talk him into a
SD). He definitley bought his last Chevy in 1995.

Maybe the reason so many 454's are on Chevy lots and No SD's are on Ford
lots is that Ford builds a Superior truck!! Doesn't finding 4 Chebby's and
No FORDS tell you something????? Just food for thought.


Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:11:07 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The rest of the story!

Bill my trans cooler was leaking too!
Noticed it about 4 days ago.
Lucky for me it was just a lose trans line on the cooler!
I give it about a half turn and it dosent appear to be leaking now?
You know I work at a Ford assy plant in Chicago, and sometimes
they get a jerk doing a job he don't want to do, he can screw up
a lot of cars. Just because he dont care! I do care! and If I see
something wrong I make damm sure it is corrected!
There are people just like myself who work for GM and Dodge
The bad news is they also got people who just don't care!
I think all of the big 3 make great trucks!
You got to have great people putting them together?
Gene
1999 SD F250 V10 4X4 Crewcab SB Lariat

Bill wrote:

> Ordered 1999 Ford F-250 SD, SC, V10, 2WD first week of
> october 1998, picked it up today 3/19/99. Decided to take
> the long way home, 75 miles, well never made it, at the 72
> mile mark I stopped at a friends house only to see
> transmission fluid on the ground. Drove another mile to a
> Ford dealer, they checked the dip stick and no fluid
> showing, after sitting 3 1/2 hours in that dealership, I
> was told a new transmission cooler had to be ordered and
> would not be in till maybe monday or tuesday at the
> earliest. This Dealer call the dealer I bought it from and
> got them to pay for a rental car. Great you say, what a
> junker it is, some small kind of GM product. Oh well I've
> bought several new cars and trucks, this is the first and
> worst start on a new one I've ever had.
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:49:17 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Rool top cover

> I'm thinking of a Pace Edwards roll top bed cover. The idea is
> really a good one: a retractable bed cover. Has anyone used these? My
> biggest fear is leaks from rain or snow.
>
I didn't have a Pace Edwards, but did have a Roll & Lock a few years back,
which is similar . I liked it a lot, but it took up about 8-9 inches of bed
space, very noticeable loss on a shortbed truck. It would sometime admit a
little water around the rear corners in VERY heavy wind/rains (I'm in
Florida and we get tropical rains), but overall remained very dry. We
traveled frequently with all kinds of gear and never had a water problem.
The slide mechanism required lubrication occasionally and I periodically
had to take the roller mechanism cover off and clean out bits of leaves and
such that tended to clog its water drains. The drain holes and associated
drain tubes were 1/4 inch ID and a tiny stick or piece of leaf stem could
block them, after which dirt and decayed leaves would form a dam or totally
block a tube. A minor nuisance, not a big deal.
- --
Gary Brinck...
in Florida's Ocala National Forest


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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:40:38 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - (4) 454 Chevy crew cabs

I purchased a GMC truck about ten years ago. When it fell apart, GMC
refused to assist in getting it fix. To make a long story short: When all
was said and done, I had GMC on repair fraud, title fraud, and odometer
tampering. I will never buy another GMC product again.

Now I have a 98 Ranger that is falling apart. The dealer, the regional
office and even Ford Motor Company has been working with me. Still have
not gotten the Ranger traded out, my fault. And yes at this time I am
still planning to replace it with another Ford truck.

Being that the trucks are built with a lot of human hands involved, there
is bound to be an occasional mistake. I can accept that. What will sway
me towards (or from) a brand is how the manufacture handle the mistakes.

I have purchased three new GMC products: I truck that went back under lemon
law; A Nova that was totaled and sold as new; a Saturn that could not hold
oil. Okay so I am a little slow...

My current Ranger replaced a 94 Ranger that had no problems. (Wanted a 4x4)

Bottom line, I still trust Ford.

- -Julian

At 07:22 03/20/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:25:46 -0800
>>From: Bob Mosso
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Delivery of '99 Crewcabs
>>
>>.... I'm getting very impatient, to the point of looking on
>>the local (go ahead curse me) Chevy lot....
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:54:19 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.

Owners of 1999 Lariat F-250 supercab, did you get front and
rear floor mats??
I got only fronts, the drivers side mat fits ok, but the
passanger side front does not, it has a black ringed locator
hole forward on the bevel part of the floor board and no
locator such as the drives side. Also the mats look and
feel like they came from a K-Mart, nothing like the Eddie
Bauer mat quailty in the past. Please reply here or direct.
Thanks, Bill
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:14:34 -0500
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.

Only my driver's side mat has the black ringed locator and it fits over a
hook on the floor. The passenger side does not have any locator or hook.

I also got a set of back mats (carpets) as well and all four appear to be of
good quality.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:54 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.
>
>
> Owners of 1999 Lariat F-250 supercab, did you get front and
> rear floor mats??
> I got only fronts, the drivers side mat fits ok, but the
> passanger side front does not, it has a black ringed locator
> hole forward on the bevel part of the floor board and no
> locator such as the drives side. Also the mats look and
> feel like they came from a K-Mart, nothing like the Eddie
> Bauer mat quailty in the past. Please reply here or direct.
> Thanks, Bill
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:07:10 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal

If you can figure out how to make a coat hanger into a loop and stick it in
the holes on the side of the radio then you can remove the radio without
removing the dash. If you remove the dash without removing the radio then
the radio will also come out with it.

David

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Norm Brown
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:18 AM
To: 97up-list
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal


I need to get to the back of the radio on my '99 SD. Some of the posts
for removing the dash indicate that the radio is connected to the dash
and removing the dash will also remove the radio. Others disagree. (I
have a hand held CB and want to connect an antenna splitter in order to
use the same outside antenna for both CB and radio. I know that the
antenna for the CB will not be tuned for good SWR)

If I want to remove the radio, what is the procedure?

Thanks

Norm
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:12:18 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - (4) 454 Chevy crew cabs -Reply

fourwheeler.com's .02

If you want an honest assesment of the 454 Chevy vs the V-10 ford there was a review in four Wheeler magazine a
few months back. I think the article is posted on the fourwheeler.com page under one on one ford vs chevy. the
bottom line is that the article states that the 454 was faster and had a little more HP (240 hp, 380 ft/lbs for the 454
and 200 hp, 340ft/lbs for the 6.8l) but worse mileage than the ford V-10 , 9 vs 11. In fairness to the ford the Chevy
had 4.56 gears vs. the fords 3.73, I do not think this changes a dyno test for hp but surley affects mileage and
accelaration. What this means is that the power and mileage will be about the same with similar gearing. Other than
that the ford was a better truck due to the many improvments made including, rear disk antilock brakes, much better
automatic transmission, better interior, more comfortable, bettter handling etc.. . The older chevy design is also a
generation in technology behind the super duty ford. Because of this It will devalue much faster as the old chevy 1
tons are replaced with whatever chevy has planned for their next generation. Might want to read it for yourself as it
is a little more impartial than those of us who already have chosen ford.

BTW I chose the ford over the chevy, I had a chevy for years but didnt like the new silverado with its way to carlike
look and feel.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:25:53 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super duty V-10 intake modification

Hi all

I have read that the new V-10 manifold has a "dual plane" intake plenum with a special valve which opens up
between the two intake halves to allow the engine to breath better at high RPM. My understanding of the divided
intake is that it allows for a better idle and torque characteristics at low rpm. I wonder if this valve were removed
what the effect on overall engine performance would be. What I have noticed is that the engine seems to get a
"boost" of power at about 3000+ rpm's. This may be due to the opening of the divider. I do not fully understand the
effect of a single plane manifold at lower rpm's on an engine but I suspect that the stock cams must be pretty mild
and the effect might be pretty minimal at idle and might give better power in the 1500 to 3000 rpm range. Anyone think
this might work?

thanks
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:17:08 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD radio removal

go to a parts americia or something like that and buy the tool to take the
radioo out they cost less then $10.00
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:41:06 -0600
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.

The factory floor mats in the lariat are not worth a dime, check out Nifty
Products Carpets www.niftyproducts.com sold through Summit Racing Equipment
www.summitracing.com I think you will like quality and they fit like a
glove.
Jeff



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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:54:49 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.

Same here, got all four mats and only the ring on the drivers side. The
mats match the carpet perfectly.

> -----Original Message-----

Only my driver's side mat has the black ringed locator and it fits over a
hook on the floor. The passenger side does not have any locator or hook.

I also got a set of back mats (carpets) as well and all four appear to be of
good quality.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:54 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Floor mat?? Lariat owners.
>
>
> Owners of 1999 Lariat F-250 supercab, did you get front and
> rear floor mats??
> I got only fronts, the drivers side mat fits ok, but the
> passanger side front does not, it has a black ringed locator
> hole forward on the bevel part of the floor board and no
> locator such as the drives side. Also the mats look and
> feel like they came from a K-Mart, nothing like the Eddie
> Bauer mat quailty in the past. Please reply here or direct.
> Thanks, Bill
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:54:48 -0800
From: Dave Sturtze
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD ABS light

Just got my 99 SD SC LB 4x4 V10 back from the service dept after
developing a problem with what I think is the computer. At any speed
when I hit a bump or small pot hole the ABS light goes on the
speedometer and tach drop to almost zero for about 3-4 sec then the
torque converter slips the trans downshifts ( loads of fun at 70+ mph).
Well dealer says they can't duplicate, funny because it happened to me
driving out of the lot when I drove over their speed bump, and returned
the truck after 2 days with only changing oil and air filter. So I get
home reset the alarm from valet mode only to find my remote doesn't work
( Ford factory alarm and remote door lock ) I check the alarm and, isn't
it suposed to have an antenea? So now I can't secure my truck and have
to either keep it on valet or use the starter over-ride switch. Anyhow
my question is , does anyone out there have any idea what might be
causing the ABS light/speedo problem or where the antenea is supposed to
go on the alarm module ( if I can even find the antenea wire)?
Thanks
Dave

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:49:18 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine oil leak

The other day I noticed that my truck(PSD 99) was leaking a very small amount
of oil on the garage floor. The leak was coming from the front of the truck.
For many days I just ignored the leak, hoping that it would go away. Then
finally the drops were getting to be puddles, a real mess. So finally I got
underneath the truck to meet with the devil. Darn, a new truck leaking oil, I
don't need this. Can you imagine what was going through my mind on what it
was. Valve cover, rear main, oil pump assembly, engine replacement, I don't
know, what do I know! So under the truck I go, drip, drip, drip, there it
was, the oil filter was loose :-)

John Patterson
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:18:40 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - 400 HP V-10

>From paxton automotive

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Like other Paxton Automotive supercharger kits, this heat-treated
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bracket, hardware and everything necessary for a professionally looking
installation.
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