97up-list-digest Friday, March 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 066



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter
FTE 97up - Re: 5.4L vs 4.6L
Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 5.4L vs 4.6L
FTE 97up - 99 psd mufflers
Re: FTE 97up - 99 psd mufflers
Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid
FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty steps
Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid
FTE 97up - Airlifts/foils ??
FTE 97up - tonneau cover install on SD-shortbed
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply
FTE 97up - At the track!

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:15:06 -0600
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:58:16 -0600
> From: "Union Auto"
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter
>
> Let me know if you find a chip that fixes this problem. I've got several
> customers that would buy one, but every chipmaker I talk to tells me they
> haven't managed to eliminate the speed limiter yet.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>

Have you tried Superchips? There at www.superchips.com. Not to be confused with the ADS superchip, which gets a lot of bad
reviews by owners. Superchips say that they are the only one that CAN remove the speed limiter in the Powerstroke.

Anyone interested in one should check out F150online's bulletin board. There's a lot of good info there.

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:17:10 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 5.4L vs 4.6L

I currently have a 1998 F150 XLT SC 3:55LS Trailer Tow Pakage.......I have
made no performance modificatons to this truck.......I am very happy with
the performance of this truck. I tow with this truck on a regular
basis.....in the 3,000lb range and it performs very well. This truck has a
factory tow rating of 7,000lbs with the towing package. Another plus for the
4.6L is that I am getting almost 17mpg in driving the truck back and forth
to work........about a 42 mile round trip with a good amount of stop and go
driving. I have a co worker that has the same truck with the 5.4L and he is
getting about 13-14 mpg. If you are going to use the truck for some serious
hauling and towing.....then I would go for the 5.4L ........if you are just
going to use it as a commuter with some occasional towing and hauling.....I
would go with the 4.6L. I would not buy the 5.4L "just to say I have it"
just because of the added cost in fuel. You really need to evaluate the way
your truck will be used and make a decision from there.

The way I look at it ......I bought my truck to use as a truck......not a
performance vehicle.........if you want performance........buy a Mustang
Cobra.

Just My .02 Cents

Ron



>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:21:46 -0800
>From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
>Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
>
>I'm planning to order a F150 SC SB 4x4. Can't decide between the 4.6 or
the
>5.4 liter engine.
>I know, it depends on what I want to do with it. For the most part, it
will
>just be an over-powered
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:37:54 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:40:56 -0800, you wrote:

:Where did you get this 5W30 oil restriction?? I know that's whats =
recommended
:in the manual and has some advantage in start-ups but if you read the =
Red Line
:literature the viscosity when warm is about the same for 5W30 or 10W30 =
(which
:by the way is better then regular petrol 10W40 )=20

I got into this late, so I may have missed something before, and
I apologize if I'm jumping on someone, but, here goes:

Why use 10w-30 if the manufacturer recommends 5w-30? The cold
start improvement with the 5w-30 *is* important, and over the
life of your engine will probably make a difference.

Of course, the viscosity when warm is about the same -- that's
what the "30" means in 5w-30 and 10w-30.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:04:54 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 5.4L vs 4.6L

There is one more thing to consider. Trade in:
A few years down the road when you decide that the newer shinier one on the
showroom floor is a must have, the 5.4 will bring a disproportionately higher
trade in or sale on the open market. It's what's wanted. Generally, used
trucks wind up being beaters for a contractor unless it's the very rare really
cherry vehicle. Almost none of us living in the real world can afford the
time or dollars to keep one that way very long

Obviously, if you keep these things forever this becomes a non issue

John G
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:24:00 PST
From: "Max ."
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 psd mufflers

A friend of mine and I both have SD PSD, his a early 99 dually and minea
99 1/2, have been thinking about replacing the stock muffler with a less
restrictive muffler. I know there's 4in and now even 5 inch systems, but
we don't want to replace the whole system, just the muffler. I havn't
seen just the 3 1/2 inch high flow muffler by itself. Any
suggestions?????? Thanx!!!
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:24:05 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 psd mufflers

In a message dated 99-03-18 10:30:07 EST, you write:

well since its a offset , going to be difficult to find a 3 1/2, i have 5 in
cat back from Hypermax engineering, in IL, only thing we had to do is cut
extension pipe to fit wb of my truck and they give you plenty of exhaust tip
for a dually, we had to trim off about 6in. on my SRW. pretty decent fit, we
had to finagle the spare tire to clear the 5in. but thats of about it.


RS
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4


Date:99-03-18 10:30:07 EST
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A friend of mine and I both have SD PSD, his a early 99 dually and minea
99 1/2, have been thinking about replacing the stock muffler with a less
restrictive muffler. I know there's 4in and now even 5 inch systems, but
we don't want to replace the whole system, just the muffler. I havn't
seen just the 3 1/2 inch high flow muffler by itself. Any
suggestions?????? Thanx!!!
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:00:54 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid

>Why use 10W30 if the manufacturer recommends 5W30? The cold
>start improvement with the 5W30 *is* important, and over the
>life of your engine will probably make a difference.

The manufacturer makes recommendations based on a *wide* range of
environments, including North Dakota in winter.

I use Red Line 10W30 because (1) winters here in Oregon (Portland) don't
get really cold, and (2) 10W30 is the "natural" viscosity of the oil base
stock, requiring no modifiers to achieve that performance. 5W30 requires
modifiers, slightly compromising film strength under extreme stress, and it
will thin out slightly more under extreme heat. (The "30" designation is at
a certain temperature representing a typical "hot.") I'm more concerned
about protecting the engine when hauling a camper up to Mount Hood in
second or third gear over several miles at 50mph when the temperature is in
the 90s.

For the same reason I have switched out the auto-trans fluid for the Red
Line stuff, with my dealer's blessing. (They did the swap, including a
drain of the torque converter--there's a drain plug.) These are excellent,
race-proven products. No more molasses-in-the-tranny shifts on cold
mornings, either.

If I lived in Wisconsin, I surely would switch the engine oil to 5W30 for
the winter months, but not in this climate.

Cold-start wear is less of an issue with most synthetics, as they have an
affinity for the metal surfaces. There is more lubricant on the surfaces on
cold-start.
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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:05:38 -0800
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Super Duty steps

For Sale:

Dee Zee Backroad nerf bars to fit 1999 Ford Super Duty supercab pickup
truck. These bars have 2 truck steps built in on each side and are black
anodized aluminum. They bolt into the stock holes. They are in like new
condition and include all mounting hardware. I can't return them as they
were special ordered and I decided too late that I personally don't like
that styling on my truck. Price is $225 or best offer and I will ship COD
(or they can be picked up in the Seattle, WA area). Check this link for a
picture:

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:29:07 -0800
From: chuck007
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid

You don't know me but thanks anyway for the vote of confidence on the Red Line
Synthetic oil issue.....BTW what transmission oil did you use (my dealer says
NO while under warranty !!??) and how do you like the self-leveling rear
suspen ( I have it too) and any problems with it? Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:36:27 -0800
From: chuck007
Subject: FTE 97up - Airlifts/foils ??

Has anyone used or have experience with the cab-over Air-lifts or Air-foils
for sending the on-coming air drafts up and over the pick-up bed and up and
over the trailer so as to reduce the wind resistance? I am not as interested
in the fuel economy as I am in the increased ease of towing, especially
up-hill (or maybe up-hill is a mute point since the speed is reduced anyway) ??
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:59:16 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - tonneau cover install on SD-shortbed

Well yesterday i picked up my tonneau cover($) for my short bed F250 4x4SD
PSD/4x4/SC. I decided to go the FoMoCo route on this because i had seen how
good the F150 one fit and finish was. It was a tad bit more, than i had found
one else where but worth it i think.
First of all the instructions suck, must have been some idiot writing them.
All the numbers are stamped on the frame for you to figure out what bracket
goes where, i figured this out after using my intelligence after trying to
read instructions. They basically give you pictures and you figure out what
bolts go where. After i sorted that all out the aluminum frame was clamped in
and bows slide in nice. They don't tell you where any thing lines up either,
its pretty much you figure it out. Then has two little set screws to hold it
on each end(look a little small for the job). In the end it looks pretty
good, but i have done alot of other aftermarket installs on parts of other
companies on truck and cars, and i will have to say this one has to get the
thumbs down for destructions.

Ross S.
9sec93cobra
9 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:04:52 EST
From: KVS427 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

I have a 99 F150 SC SB 4x4 Lariet with the 5.4L engine and here is a good way
to see the difference. Just go to the dealership, drive a truck with the 4.6
L and then drive the 5.4L, back to back. This will tell the story for you.

If I am not mistaken there were some improvements made to the 5.4L for the
99model year that increased horsepower. There is definitely a difference,
though the 4.6L is sufficient, the 5.4 L just feels stronger.

I don't think the difference on the sticker or at the pumps will be enough to
matter if you need or just want the extra horsies. The motor does run great.

Hope my humble opinion helps.

Kevin S.
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:15:26 EST
From: Genekend aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply

I got a spoiler from Stillen for my 1997 F150 2WD. It has 4 driving lights and
looks real good,. I had it painted silver to match the silver trim. You can
see it on at www.stillen.com. It was $168 from Stillen, but I have seen it
cheaper since I purchased mine at Autobahn.

>While on the subject of the front valence I have a question. If I wanted to
give my >truck the custom look and have all
>of the front the same color, similar to what the Dodge trucks can get, white
paint, >white grill, white bumper etc...
>What can I do to the valence. I can't powder coat it and I do not think
paint will >work as it is soft plastic. The chrome
>bumper can be painted white and Stull offers a color matched white grill with
the >stainless inserts. The front valence
>would look stupid if it were still grey. Any suggestions?
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:23:18 EST
From: Mlovett214 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - At the track!

I don't ever write to the list just read. I have been a member for over a
year though. I recently went to our small dragstrip here close to town and
gave the truck a run. Thought you all might be interested. I have a 97
Lariat, short bed, regular cab, 5.4, Flowmasters, K&N, and 3.55 rear end. In....

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