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In this issue:

FTE 97up - tires and wheels for sale
Re: FTE 97up - K&N & Dynomax results are in
Re: FTE 97up - K&N & Dynomax results are in
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with Back Injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid
Re: FTE 97up - Orange Peel Paint/ Cat removal
Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid
FTE 97up - Flo Pro muffler installed, love the sound and look!
FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
Re: FTE 97up - K&N & Dynomax results are in
RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Daily digests
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
FTE 97up - Front Valence
FTE 97up - speed limiter
RE: FTE 97up - speed limiter
FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Flo Pro muffler installed, love the sound and look!
Re: FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Front Valence
RE: FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6
FTE 97up - Propane Excursion
Re: FTE 97up - Propane Excursion
Re: FTE 97up - Propane Excursion
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter
Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Virus checking

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:12:08 -0600
From: prsr213 ameritech.net
Subject: FTE 97up - tires and wheels for sale

Hello to everyone on the list. I recently upgrade my tires and wheels
on my 97 reg cab 4X4. I am selling the Goodyear P255/70R/16's and the
aluminum wheels. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me privately.
Chicagoland area.

Sincerely,
Paul

97 Reg. Cab LB, XLT, TT package, Leer Crown Cap.
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:01:59 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N & Dynomax results are in

Thanks for the numbers, it's good to see actual measured results!

Danny


>I was hoping to pick up two tenths from my mods. The first
>pass was a 16.514 81.35 so I was pretty happy... the next pass
>was a 16.46 80.96, but it was then that I noticed that although
>my mods seemed to let the engine breathe easier and rev stronger
>to the revlimiter, the factory computer shifted the tranny out
>of second gear around 4500 rpm. Next pass I decided to manually
>shift ... after blowing that pass from hitting the rev limiter
>in 1st (I blamed it on the slush-o-matic tranny that shifts,
>eventually when it gets around to it. :-) but holding 2nd gear
>through the traps proved worthwile and generated a final
>16.418 82.35! The MPH was way up, telling me that the engine
>definitely breathes better up top and could probably benefit
>from a tranny reprogram to hold the shifts higher. Finishing
>the 1/4 mile in 2nd gear is also a killer - the truck would
>definitely respond to replacing the factory 3.55 gears with
>some 3.73 or 4.1s and still be very driveable.
>
>Chris Akers mailto:jca celotek.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:36:31 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N & Dynomax results are in

Did you run shifting manually prior to doing any mods? If not, you are
jumping to conclusions with the manual shift run.

>
>>I was hoping to pick up two tenths from my mods. The first
>>pass was a 16.514 81.35 so I was pretty happy... the next pass
>>was a 16.46 80.96, but it was then that I noticed that although
>>my mods seemed to let the engine breathe easier and rev stronger
>>to the revlimiter, the factory computer shifted the tranny out
>>of second gear around 4500 rpm. Next pass I decided to manually
>>shift ... after blowing that pass from hitting the rev limiter
>>in 1st (I blamed it on the slush-o-matic tranny that shifts,
>>eventually when it gets around to it. :-) but holding 2nd gear
>>through the traps proved worthwile and generated a final
>>16.418 82.35! The MPH was way up, telling me that the engine
>>definitely breathes better up top and could probably benefit
>>from a tranny reprogram to hold the shifts higher. Finishing
>>the 1/4 mile in 2nd gear is also a killer - the truck would
>>definitely respond to replacing the factory 3.55 gears with
>>some 3.73 or 4.1s and still be very driveable.
>>
>>Chris Akers mailto:jca celotek.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:51:01 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with Back Injuries

JPatte5238 aol.com wrote:

>



> Getting the Lariat package with the adjustable
> leather seats, running boards and Auto tranny allows me to get around pretty
> good. Oh, of coarse, the pain pills help out too.
>
> John Patterson
> 99 F250 superduty

This is the only message from this thread that made it to me. I'll make some
assumptions as to what else has been said concerning back pain and driving.
About two years ago I was rear ended and ended up having back problems among
other things. I was able to get the Workers Compensation insurance company I was
dealing with to buy me a Recaro seat to put in my Mustang. This is common in
Europe, but highly unusual here in the States.
If knowing how I went about this would be helpful to anyone here, let me know
and I'll fill you in.
Reply by direct email and change the subject, or the mail filter will grab it
and I won't read it until my next day off.

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Steve #1

'99 F150 Regular Cab 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT
'87 K5 Blazer 350 4X4


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:51:49 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid

Mecon V is different (and more expensive) than standard Mercon. Most auto
parts stores carry it. The reason they switched is it helps eliminate
torque converter "shutter" which was a problem in Crown Vic's.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: jclem
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:47 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid


>I have a 98 F150 SC 4.6l w/4R70W transmission. I tow a 5000 lb trailer
>with it and am getting ready to do a fluid and filter change on it. The
>owner's manual calls for Mercon V fluid. I was looking on Mobil's web
>site and Castrol's at their full synthetic products and although both
>say they meet mercon requirements, they do not specifically state they
>meet Mercon V. I sent a e-mail to Mobil and didn't get a reply. Has
>anyone had this question answered? I don't want to guess and risk my
>warranty.
>
>Also.... I have a XL model which doesn't have carpeting - just the
>rubber mat. Anyone know of a company that sells carpet kits? The
>dealer wants about $460.00 for factory carpeting and I could do my
>living room and dining room cheaper than that.
>
>Jim
>


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:00:20 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Orange Peel Paint/ Cat removal

You won't be able to get it changed over. Any time you remove a CAT
converter, you have to put one back on. If a dealer gets caught for this
they'll be closed down. I wouldn't worry about it anyway they seem to drive
the same as the earlier models.

Nathan

>In a message dated 3/13/99 11:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>xplorit erols.com writes:
>
>> Can I ask the dealer to remove my cat and perform those changes that
>> were made to the post Jan 99 models? Nathan, do you know or can you
>> find out??? Of course I don't want to spend a mint having it done since
>> I bought the truck once already.
>


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:56:28 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid

If it meets the same rating as what Ford requires, you'll be fine using
synthetic transmission fluid. However running 10W30 in a OHC engine is a
big no-no. 5W30 (or in cold weather 0W30) is the only viscosity to use in
the Triton engines. The thickness of the 10W30 can lead to premature engine
wear. Since they switched to the hydrocracked oil, Ford recommends using
5w30 in every gasoline engine it's ever made. The new oils don't brake down
as easy, so the thin oils can handle heat as well as the thicker ones and
will protect better at start up.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Chuck Haugen
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid


>I have a 97 F250 LD and am changing to 10W30 engine synthetic oil (Red
Line)
>and checked with the dealer who said OK but not to use synthetic oil in the
>transmission while under warranty for liability reasons....just in
>case....since I tow close to maximum rating.
>


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:38:30 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Flo Pro muffler installed, love the sound and look!

I had a local shop (Larsen's Muffler & Brake in Big Rapids, MI) install
a nice flo pro welded muffler (no packing) with the stock 2-1/4" inlet
and outlet. A "Y" pipe was fabricated at the exit end, with 2-1/4" tail
pipes going out to 2-1/2" chrome tips (diagonal cut) exiting just under
the bumper. The sound is really nice, not too loud, just a rumble, at
idle, but when you get on it, the volume goes up, without being "rappy".
Cruising down the highway it has a nice low rumble (in the cab), it must
sound great to onlookers. I am extremely impressed, all stainless pipe
and hardware, all welded (no clamps) for about $230 installed. I highly
recommend both the shop and the Flo Pro welded hi performance muffler.

'99 F150 XLT 4x4 5.4L SC/LB with ARE cap, 285/75 Dunlops, Flo Pro
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:21:46 -0800
From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

I'm planning to order a F150 SC SB 4x4. Can't decide between the 4.6 or the
5.4 liter engine.
I know, it depends on what I want to do with it. For the most part, it will
just be an over-powered
commuter vehicle. But what if I need to do something really beefy with it
some day?
Here in the Pacific Northwest, almost all F150 4x4s on the lot are 5.4.
What is the community experience? Anyone out there bought a 4.6 and wished
they had a 5.4 instead?

Thanks
J. Jarchow
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:41:46 -0500
From: Chris Akers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - K&N & Dynomax results are in

"Todd E." wrote:
> Did you run shifting manually prior to doing any mods? If not, you are
> jumping to conclusions with the manual shift run.

Yes, I tried a manual shift when it was stock and the time slowed down.
In an ideal world, I'd have my very own dyno and could plug in
environmental correction factors and do the before and after pulls
to know exactly what HP difference was made. Instead, I used my
best judgement as learned from 16 years of drag racing to try
to achieve reasonable approximations. Yeah, the numbers came up
with 15 HP... that's probably +-5 based on my test conditions.
If nothing else, it's more accurate than "gee, it sure feels
faster". Considering this truck is my tow vehicle, it's good
enough for me. :-)

jC. '67 Camaro (9.40 144.4), '95Z, '98 F150 (16.42 82.4)
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Celotek Corporation phone:919-462-1900 x259
P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.celotek.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:01:40 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

ive learnt something in the years ive been playing with cars.

"get what you want"

theres not much price difference between the 4.6 and 5.4. your already
getting a "premium" truck i.e. high profit for ford.. so go all the way. you
will have the extra horsies when you want them, and since your turning both
axles, extra torque will be nice.

resale value is also a consideration.. the 5.4 is better than the 4.6.


for the record, i bought the 4.2 2wd because i needed a truck fast, and im
already looking at trading it in on a 5.4 4wd.


> I'm planning to order a F150 SC SB 4x4. Can't decide between
> the 4.6 or the
> 5.4 liter engine.
> I know, it depends on what I want to do with it. For the
> most part, it will
> just be an over-powered
> commuter vehicle. But what if I need to do something really
> beefy with it some day?
> Here in the Pacific Northwest, almost all F150 4x4s on the
> lot are 5.4.
> What is the community experience? Anyone out there bought a
> 4.6 and wished
> they had a 5.4 instead?
>
> Thanks
> J. Jarchow
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:20:11 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

My son has a 4.6 in this F-150 4x4. Its fine for a commuter
vehicle, but if that's all you need than buy a Crown Vic,
mileage will be 2 to 3 times better and a quieter ride. If
you want to do any trailer pulling at all with the F-150
4.6, forget it and get the 5.4. There should be a law
against the 4.6 in a pickup!

"Jarchow, Jaye" wrote:
>
> I'm planning to order a F150 SC SB 4x4. Can't decide between the 4.6 or the
> 5.4 liter engine.
> I know, it depends on what I want to do with it. For the most part, it will
> just be an over-powered
> commuter vehicle. But what if I need to do something really beefy with it
> some day?
> Here in the Pacific Northwest, almost all F150 4x4s on the lot are 5.4.
> What is the community experience? Anyone out there bought a 4.6 and wished
> they had a 5.4 instead?
>
> Thanks
> J. Jarchow
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:43:24 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

"Jarchow, Jaye" wrote:
>
> I'm planning to order a F150 SC SB 4x4. Can't decide between the 4.6 or the
> 5.4 liter engine.
> I know, it depends on what I want to do with it. For the most part, it will
> just be an over-powered
> commuter vehicle. But what if I need to do something really beefy with it
> some day?
> Here in the Pacific Northwest, almost all F150 4x4s on the lot are 5.4.
> What is the community experience? Anyone out there bought a 4.6 and wished
> they had a 5.4 instead?
>
> Thanks
> J. Jarchow
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Jaye,

I refer you to your own statement " it will just be an
over-powered commuter vehicle." You will not regret getting
the 5.4 for its extra power. You might regret the 4.6.
There is a 40 hp and 55 lbs/ft difference between the two.
I have a 97 XLT SC 4x4 w/ 4.6L and I wish I could have
ordered the 5.4 but Ford doesn't offer them with the 5 speed
manual.:-(

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:00:30 -0500
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

I have a 98 4.6 auto extended cab 4x4 while a good friend has an identical
99 5.4. We have never towed head to head, but unloaded we have had some
stoplight races. The two trucks are very very close. He can only pull half
a car length on me from 0 to 60. Truth is that neither of these mammoth
vehicles is anywhere near overpowered!

Regards,
Mike Sutton
mike.sutton gsc.gte.com
(919) 549-1215

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From:Bill [SMTP:kg8aw ismi.net]
Sent:Tuesday, March 16, 1999 11:20 AM
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

My son has a 4.6 in this F-150 4x4. Its fine for a commuter
vehicle, but if that's all you need than buy a Crown Vic,
mileage will be 2 to 3 times better and a quieter ride. If
you want to do any trailer pulling at all with the F-150
4.6, forget it and get the 5.4. There should be a law
against the 4.6 in a pickup!


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:07:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Daily digests

Please do not email me asking why you aren't getting a
digest every day! I'm sick of the dozen queries each
day. Take a small moment to look at the digest numbers
and you'll see that the digests are consecutive. No
digests are lost and it only takes a small moment of
your time to verify this.

When list traffic slows down, the digests don't meet
the minimum size for transmission on a daily basis.

Ken Payne
Admin
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:40:05 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

I'd recommend the 5.4L its only about $400, gets similar mileage has much
more power, and has coil on plug ignition eliminating some future maitence
expense. On a 4x2 or a Reg. cab, It would be a more difficult decision, but
on a S/C 4x4 go with the 5.4L.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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From: Jarchow, Jaye
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:33 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6


>I'm planning to order a F150 SC SB 4x4. Can't decide between the 4.6 or
the
>5.4 liter engine.
>I know, it depends on what I want to do with it. For the most part, it
will
>just be an over-powered
>commuter vehicle. But what if I need to do something really beefy with it
>some day?
>Here in the Pacific Northwest, almost all F150 4x4s on the lot are 5.4.
>What is the community experience? Anyone out there bought a 4.6 and wished
>they had a 5.4 instead?
>
>Thanks
>J. Jarchow


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:20:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lawton
Subject: FTE 97up - Front Valence

If you're referring to the plastic piece just under the front bumper
that is the same length as the bumper, I just had to replace mine due
to my K-9 radar not working correctly. Had to make a quick lane
adjustment to avoid a puppy, wound up flying over a ditch. The truck
didn't stop rolling and the dog didn't seem to mind, so everything was
cool, the part only cost 56 clams, and they should have them in stock.




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:41:58 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - speed limiter

Well on the way back from a weekend of racing less the trailer in tow on the
interstate some idiot in one of those new eclipse's was really getting on my
nerves, you know the kind the decide to be in the left lane and meander back
and forth ahead and behind you at night. So since i was aleady crusing above
the speed limit, i decided to air the turbo out a bit and put some distance on
this guy. While doing this i discovered the speed cutoff at just shy of 95mph
or so, the F250SD PSD 4x4, was plenty stable with a load of gear in the back.
Anyone else have this problem? i will probably get a chip burnt to get rid of
it some time later on.

Ross S
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
9sec93cobra "world fastest stock suspension cobra"
Vortech XX-trim/FP efi
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:11:56 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - speed limiter

i posted this problem earlier, and got a myriad of responses to get a
computer chip. for me, 98mph is 3500 rpm in 5th gear, on my 2wd 4.2 litre
f150, shod in 275 50vr17 tires.... i suspect the truck would do 115/120 if
the limiter wasnt there. with the stx package, its VERY stable.

direct answer... buy a chip.





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> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of RSnovi aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 4:42 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - speed limiter
>
>
> Well on the way back from a weekend of racing less the
> trailer in tow on the
> interstate some idiot in one of those new eclipse's was
> really getting on my
> nerves, you know the kind the decide to be in the left lane
> and meander back
> and forth ahead and behind you at night. So since i was
> aleady crusing above
> the speed limit, i decided to air the turbo out a bit and put
> some distance on
> this guy. While doing this i discovered the speed cutoff at
> just shy of 95mph
> or so, the F250SD PSD 4x4, was plenty stable with a load of
> gear in the back.
> Anyone else have this problem? i will probably get a chip
> burnt to get rid of
> it some time later on.

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:00 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply

Hi all

While on the subject of the front valence I have a question. If I wanted to give my truck the custom look and have all
of the front the same color, similar to what the Dodge trucks can get, white paint, white grill, white bumper etc...
What can I do to the valence. I can't powder coat it and I do not think paint will work as it is soft plastic. The chrome
bumper can be painted white and Stull offers a color matched white grill with the stainless inserts. The front valence
would look stupid if it were still grey. Any suggestions?

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:12:12 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Flo Pro muffler installed, love the sound and look!

Yeah....more noise is always better, especially for those living near
thoroughfares or freeways, especially the 'rumbley' type.

SAE

Jordan Rautiola wrote:

> Cruising down the highway it has a nice low rumble (in the cab), it must
> sound great to onlookers.

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:34:14 -0600
From: Landen Stoker
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply

I own a 98 F150 Sport "Color Matched Bumpers", what I have considered doing in the past is buying an aftermarket spoiler or
"valence" that is paintable, they run anywhere from $100 - $250 roughly. Then you can take it somewhere and get it painted.

Landen

GEORGE CROLL wrote:

> Hi all
>
> While on the subject of the front valence I have a question. If I wanted to give my truck the custom look and have all
> of the front the same color, similar to what the Dodge trucks can get, white paint, white grill, white bumper etc...
> What can I do to the valence. I can't powder coat it and I do not think paint will work as it is soft plastic. The chrome
> bumper can be painted white and Stull offers a color matched white grill with the stainless inserts. The front valence
> would look stupid if it were still grey. Any suggestions?
>
> George Croll
> EPA-OAR-ARD
> (202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:35:46 -0600
From: Landen Stoker
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front Valence

Thanks Carlos, called around and found out I could get one for about 50
also. Thank goodness I was afraid it was going to be high.

Landen

Carlos Lawton wrote:

> If you're referring to the plastic piece just under the front bumper
> that is the same length as the bumper, I just had to replace mine due
> to my K-9 radar not working correctly. Had to make a quick lane
> adjustment to avoid a puppy, wound up flying over a ditch. The truck
> didn't stop rolling and the dog didn't seem to mind, so everything was
> cool, the part only cost 56 clams, and they should have them in stock.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:22:42 -0600
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Front Valence -Reply

Here is a place that has a front air dam for the Super Duties.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.coolwheels.com/urlindex.cfm?searchquery=Lights%20Ford%20Pickup
Jeff



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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:21:45 -0500
From: Glenn Lepore
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 4.6

At 01:40 PM 3/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I'd recommend the 5.4L its only about $400, gets similar mileage has much
>more power, and has coil on plug ignition eliminating some future maitence
>expense. On a 4x2 or a Reg. cab, It would be a more difficult decision, but
>on a S/C 4x4 go with the 5.4L.

I have a '98 F-150 SC 4x4 with the 4.6. For what we use it for (light
towing, commuting, vacation trips) I'm happy with it. I plan on
adding a K&N filter, and maybe a cat-back exhaust. These mods should
give the 4.6 a little more guts.

Glenn

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'89 Mustang GT (His.....)
'98 F-150 SC 4X4 XLT (Hers.... for now)

"Be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth in gear"
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:44:32 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Propane Excursion

Ford just announced it will offer a propane version of its new Excursion.
The propane Excursion will put out at least 62 percent less smog emissions.
The propane Excursion will be produced as a test fleet and placed with key
customers around the country. The program will test the technology and help
determine if there is market demand for increased production of the vehicle.
The propane version of Excursion will be equipped with the V-10 and have the
same performance of the comparable gasser. The propane Excursion will have
two fuel tanks that hold a total of just under 40 gallons, giving the
vehicle a range of about 250 miles between fills.
Scott.



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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:17:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Propane Excursion

"Matus, Scott A" wrote:
>
> Ford just announced it will offer a propane version of its new Excursion.
> The propane Excursion will put out at least 62 percent less smog emissions.
> The propane Excursion will be produced as a test fleet and placed with key
> customers around the country. The program will test the technology and help
> determine if there is market demand for increased production of the vehicle.
> The propane version of Excursion will be equipped with the V-10 and have the
> same performance of the comparable gasser. The propane Excursion will have
> two fuel tanks that hold a total of just under 40 gallons, giving the
> vehicle a range of about 250 miles between fills.
> Scott.
>

The full press release is on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site.

Later,
Ken
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:20:38 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Propane Excursion

That looks like a good urban hauler, like airport limos and so forth. My
problem is where do you find Propane with the road tax attached unless you
have a selfowned tank?

Here in Virginia it's getting harder to find clear white K1 Kerosene for space
heaters.

Seems that some folks were burning Kerosene in their on road diesels. Now all
of the kerosene is dyed red.

Ah well

John G
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:58:16 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter

Let me know if you find a chip that fixes this problem. I've got several
customers that would buy one, but every chipmaker I talk to tells me they
haven't managed to eliminate the speed limiter yet.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - speed limiter


>Well on the way back from a weekend of racing less the trailer in tow on
the
>interstate some idiot in one of those new eclipse's was really getting on
my
>nerves, you know the kind the decide to be in the left lane and meander
back
>and forth ahead and behind you at night. So since i was aleady crusing
above
>the speed limit, i decided to air the turbo out a bit and put some distance
on
>this guy. While doing this i discovered the speed cutoff at just shy of
95mph
>or so, the F250SD PSD 4x4, was plenty stable with a load of gear in the
back.
>Anyone else have this problem? i will probably get a chip burnt to get rid
of
>it some time later on.
>
>Ross S
>99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
>9sec93cobra "world fastest stock suspension cobra"
>Vortech XX-trim/FP efi


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:20:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter

Speed limiter or rev limiter?

>
> Let me know if you find a chip that fixes this problem. I've got several
> customers that would buy one, but every chipmaker I talk to tells me they
> haven't managed to eliminate the speed limiter yet.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:40:56 -0800
From: chuck007
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mercon V Transmission Fluid

Where did you get this 5W30 oil restriction?? I know that's whats recommended
in the manual and has some advantage in start-ups but if you read the Red Line
literature the viscosity when warm is about the same for 5W30 or 10W30 (which
by the way is better then regular petrol 10W40 ) and besides this was run by
the service mgr. and he says either is OK. I can understand the dealers
reluctance to recommend synthetic in the transmission while still under
warranty, since there is the "unknown" factor for wear etc as far as the mfg.
is concerned.....no concern in my book.
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