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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option
FTE 97up - Re: Lariat computer
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
FTE 97up - 87 F150 302 warm idle roughness
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lariat computer
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors
FTE 97up - Mileage Computer
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
FTE 97up - Wheel fitting ?
FTE 97up - re: remote keyless entry
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static
FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
RE: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries
FTE 97up - Retained Radio Power
FTE 97up - Fw: Power Stroke catalyst
FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part III
FTE 97up - Fan clutch exploded view
FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Exhaust with dual side tips
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part III
FTE 97up - Driving with Back Injuries
Re: FTE 97up - Retained Radio Power
FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site
Re: FTE 97up - Retained Radio Power
FTE 97up - Re: 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?
FTE 97up - F-150 V6 HP Spec. & Dif. Ratio
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 V6 HP Spec. & Dif. Ratio
FTE 97up - 99 SD CC PSD 4X4 LB XLT Delivered
Re: FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part III

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:21:34 -0500
From: "Gallagher, Frank"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

While you are on the subject of spray-on liners, I would like to know
about what you guys paid for yours. I called a local
Rhino dealer and got a quote of $399. I want to be sure I'm getting the
best deal if I'm gonna pay that much!

Frank Gallagher
> ----------
> From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:19 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
>
> Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino
> liner) if
> you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how
> thick is
> it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
> slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out
> it you
> ever want to take the bed off?
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Patrick
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
>
>
> >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to
> Scorpion
> >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and
> im
> >getting my truck done next month..
> >
> >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:30:36 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option

Khill wrote "My owner's manual says the radio will stay on for up to 10
minutes
after you shut the key off. Any ideas how to make this work??? Or is
this another phantom option??"

This accessory power exists on my 98 EB Expedition. IF you DON'T open a
door! It's handy for rolling up power windows (and I have the moonroof and
pwr rear quarters, too). Haven't tried it with the radio though.
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:31:00 -0500
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Lariat computer

I asked this question several days age, but for some reason have not
received the list postings until today. Please forgive any repetition.
Has anyone else noticed that their computer reads 2 or more mpg high?
My 99 F-250 PSD with 4500 miles is getting around 16.7mpg and the
computer is saying 18.5 to 19.2.

Any rereplies appreciated,
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:47:50 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

mine was over five hundred, but i had the jeep body pulled off the frame,
and done top and bottom.


> While you are on the subject of spray-on liners, I would like to know
> about what you guys paid for yours. I called a local
> Rhino dealer and got a quote of $399. I want to be sure I'm
> getting the
> best deal if I'm gonna pay that much!
>
> Frank Gallagher
> > ----------
> > From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:19 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> > Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino
> > liner) if
> > you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how
> > thick is
> > it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost,
> does it get
> > slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame
> bolts out
> > it you
> > ever want to take the bed off?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Patrick
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> >
> > >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to
> > Scorpion
> > >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and
> > im
> > >getting my truck done next month..
> > >
> > >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
> > >
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:03:57 -0600
From: "Hill, Richard"
Subject: FTE 97up - 87 F150 302 warm idle roughness

Cold my F150 with FI302 runs like a scalded dog. When warm, it runs like a
regular dog :) It idles rough, and even under light acceleration, it
misses. This isn't a consistant miss, like a plug wire off, but an erratic
miss. I've replaced the EGR valve, and this motor was rebuilt 6000 miles
ago. The injectors were cleaned at the time, and new plugs/wires installed.
The entire distributer has been replaced, and all electronics. The computer
did die on me, and it has been replaced as well.

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:14:57 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

A co-worker of mine has been investigating various spray-on bed liners for
his Ford Lighting due in at the end of March. At a Rhino shop that's been in
business for some seven years, the owner produced from a freezer in his office,
several frozen swatches of spray-on material. One was a Rhino and the others
his competitors. (They all varied in thickness with Ziebart being the
thinnest.)

All appeared to stay flexible at freezing accept for the LinerX, which was hard
as a rock. The owner made a big point of this with my co-worker.

Anyone else see a similar demonstration?.

Charles.

"Gallagher, Frank" wrote:

> While you are on the subject of spray-on liners, I would like to know
> about what you guys paid for yours. I called a local
> Rhino dealer and got a quote of $399. I want to be sure I'm getting the
> best deal if I'm gonna pay that much!
>
> Frank Gallagher
> > ----------
> > From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:19 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> > Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino
> > liner) if
> > you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how
> > thick is
> > it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
> > slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out
> > it you
> > ever want to take the bed off?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Patrick
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> >
> > >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to
> > Scorpion
> > >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and
> > im
> > >getting my truck done next month..
> > >
> > >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
> > >
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:37:48 -0800
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

I bought some Ultra polished Aluminum wheels and Les Schwab Wild Country TXR
in 285/75R16 last September. I love the tires. The wheels I am not so happy
with. All of the chrome plated lug nuts and axle hub covers have spot rust
on them, and one of the wheels has tarnish spots which will not come off.

Think good and hard before going the route of a polished alloy- they require
regular cleaning and polishing to keep their finish. If I buy aftermarket
mags again, I'll go back to coated aluminum, which wash up easy with soap
and water and you're done.

Just my $0.02.
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:26:30 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

In a message dated 3/9/99 9:25:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
galla010 onyx.dcri.duke.edu writes:

thats what i paid in FL

RS


Date:3/9/99 9:25:10 AM Eastern Standard Time
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While you are on the subject of spray-on liners, I would like to know
about what you guys paid for yours. I called a local
Rhino dealer and got a quote of $399. I want to be sure I'm getting the
best deal if I'm gonna pay that much!

Frank Gallagher
> ----------
> From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:19 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
>
> Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino
> liner) if
> you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how
> thick is
> it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
> slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out
> it you
> ever want to take the bed off?
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Patrick
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
>
>
> >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to
> Scorpion
> >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and
> im
> >getting my truck done next month..
> >
> >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
> >
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:41:32 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

we hit a metal panel with propane torch covered in Scorpion liner. for two
minutes, it didnt melt or get hard.
it did discolor, but when it was cool, a sponge and dawn dishwashing liquid
cleaned the soot off

we then hit a metal panel without any coating... after 2 minutes it was
glowing very red... and the metal warped when it was cooled.

didnt have any other products there, but the point was to check and see if
the scorpion liner would get damaged or catch on fire running so close to
the exaust under my jeep (it was scorp'ed top and bottom)... and it appears
to have passed.




> A co-worker of mine has been investigating various spray-on
> bed liners for
> his Ford Lighting due in at the end of March. At a Rhino shop
> that's been in
> business for some seven years, the owner produced from a
> freezer in his office,
> several frozen swatches of spray-on material. One was a Rhino
> and the others
> his competitors. (They all varied in thickness with Ziebart being the
> thinnest.)
>
> All appeared to stay flexible at freezing accept for the
> LinerX, which was hard
> as a rock. The owner made a big point of this with my co-worker.
>
> Anyone else see a similar demonstration?.



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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:27:40 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lariat computer

mine read correct,but I am missing the outside temp Know anything about that?
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:29:38 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

I paid $425 upstate new york
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:15:06 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option

>
> Khill wrote "My owner's manual says the radio will stay on for up to 10
> minutes
> after you shut the key off. Any ideas how to make this work??? Or is
> this another phantom option??"
>
> This accessory power exists on my 98 EB Expedition. IF you DON'T open a
> door! It's handy for rolling up power windows (and I have the moonroof and
> pwr rear quarters, too). Haven't tried it with the radio though.
> Mike

On my 98 F150, as soon as the key is moved to LOCK, the radio is turned
off, though it does keep power, and the power windows still move until
a door is opened.



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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:29:11 -0600
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Neat demo. However, I live in the Deep South, where it rarely freezes. I'm
more concerned about the performance of Rhino vs. LineX when exposed to the
hot Louisiana sunshine. I don't want to load up my bed on a sizzling summer
day and find that my cargo has become a permanent addition to my truck.
Have any fellow Southerners had a few years worth of experience with either
of the aforementioned products? Has there been any melting, sticking,
staining, etc.? I'm going to call and make an appointment this week, so
fast replies would be appreciated.

Best regards to all,
George

1999 F-250 SD CC V10
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:15 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners


A co-worker of mine has been investigating various spray-on bed liners for
his Ford Lighting due in at the end of March. At a Rhino shop that's been in
business for some seven years, the owner produced from a freezer in his
office,
several frozen swatches of spray-on material. One was a Rhino and the others
his competitors. (They all varied in thickness with Ziebart being the
thinnest.)

All appeared to stay flexible at freezing accept for the LinerX, which was
hard
as a rock. The owner made a big point of this with my co-worker.

Anyone else see a similar demonstration?.

Charles.

"Gallagher, Frank" wrote:

> While you are on the subject of spray-on liners, I would like to know
> about what you guys paid for yours. I called a local
> Rhino dealer and got a quote of $399. I want to be sure I'm getting the
> best deal if I'm gonna pay that much!
>
> Frank Gallagher
> > ----------
> > From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:19 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> > Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino
> > liner) if
> > you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how
> > thick is
> > it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
> > slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out
> > it you
> > ever want to take the bed off?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Patrick
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> >
> > >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to
> > Scorpion
> > >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and
> > im
> > >getting my truck done next month..
> > >
> > >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
> > >
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:34:52 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

In a message dated 3/9/99 2:30:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
George.Rigney WSNelson.com writes:



i guess i will see once we see 100 here in FL, but so far mine in direct
sunlight seems to be ok. I dont for see a problem with it adhereing to
materials.

RS

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Neat demo. However, I live in the Deep South, where it rarely freezes. I'm
more concerned about the performance of Rhino vs. LineX when exposed to the
hot Louisiana sunshine. I don't want to load up my bed on a sizzling summer
day and find that my cargo has become a permanent addition to my truck.
Have any fellow Southerners had a few years worth of experience with either
of the aforementioned products? Has there been any melting, sticking,
staining, etc.? I'm going to call and make an appointment this week, so
fast replies would be appreciated.

Best regards to all,
George

1999 F-250 SD CC V10
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:15 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners


A co-worker of mine has been investigating various spray-on bed liners for
his Ford Lighting due in at the end of March. At a Rhino shop that's been in
business for some seven years, the owner produced from a freezer in his
office,
several frozen swatches of spray-on material. One was a Rhino and the others
his competitors. (They all varied in thickness with Ziebart being the
thinnest.)

All appeared to stay flexible at freezing accept for the LinerX, which was
hard
as a rock. The owner made a big point of this with my co-worker.

Anyone else see a similar demonstration?.

Charles.

"Gallagher, Frank" wrote:

> While you are on the subject of spray-on liners, I would like to know
> about what you guys paid for yours. I called a local
> Rhino dealer and got a quote of $399. I want to be sure I'm getting the
> best deal if I'm gonna pay that much!
>
> Frank Gallagher
> > ----------
> > From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:19 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> > Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino
> > liner) if
> > you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how
> > thick is
> > it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
> > slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out
> > it you
> > ever want to take the bed off?
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
> >
> >
> > >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to
> > Scorpion
> > >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and
> > im
> > >getting my truck done next month..
> > >
> > >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:45:47 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tow Mirrors

I would like to thank Scott ( I hope that was his name) for instructing me on
how to remove the door panels on the 99 superduty. The death of the tow
mirror is over, a new one was installed for 131 bucks. What a deal! With the
help of Scott, the project took about 30 mins. to install the new mirror. If
anybody wants the old mirror, let me know, the outer plastic was damage, but
with a little goop it was somewhat put back together.

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:58:28 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Mileage Computer

My 99 Superduty's computer reads about 1 to 1.5 mpg higher than actual. Most
people that I have talked to says the same, enough on the Caddies the mileage
indicator reads higher. So this is the norm!

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:14:42 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Please start trimming the posts when responding.

Ken Payne
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:04:49 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

Hi Kirk,

Thanks for the info,

Vaughn

I bought some Ultra polished Aluminum wheels and Les Schwab Wild
Country TXR in 285/75R16 last September. I love the tires. The
wheels I am not so happy with. All of the chrome plated lug nuts
and axle hub covers have spot rust on them, and one of the
wheels has tarnish spots which will not come off.

Think good and hard before going the route of a polished alloy-
they require regular cleaning and polishing to keep their
finish. If I buy aftermarket mags again, I'll go back to coated
aluminum, which wash up easy with soap and water and you're
done.

Just my $0.02.
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:46:27 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: No Phantom option

Hey Mike! Thanks for the tip on the accessory power! I've had my 99 F250
SD CC for five months now and had no clue that I was able to open and close
the windows with the key off. I had to go out to the garage just to see if
it was really true. I wondered why I would always hear a relay disconnect
when I opened the door after turning off the key. I thought it was just to
light up the buttons for the PW & PL buttons.

I have no clue how one would get the radio to work with this option.

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:18:43 EST
From: BIGDAAG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Hi everyone, I am new to the list. My truck just came in today, and I am
getting the rhino liner on tomorrow. I am having it done through the dealer.
I have the short bed version, and it will cost me only $318. Hope that
helps.
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:09:37 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel fitting ?

Hi all,

In looking for wheels (16x8) for my 99 SD
how do I know what correct back spacing should be?
Do you try to match stock specs or?????

Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:12:51 -0700
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 97up - re: remote keyless entry

>Also can remote keyless entry be added if a truck is >equipped with just
power
>locks?
>Dan Brotzman - WI

I added remote entry with remote start and alarm to my 98 F150. I talked to
the Dealer, and they quoted me $300 for the Ford Unit, installed. They were
the ones that suggested I try the aftermarket. I got a Prestige unit
installed at a Car Stereo place for $275 with alarm. So far, it works fine,
except it doesn't have the range that my 95 with factory remote keyless had.

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:41:35 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static

Harald;

Years ago I was working in Denver during the winter. This place is dry, and
static electricity on everything was the norm. The solution that I was shown
by some of the old timers was to hit the door knobs, whatever with the Back of
your hand first. You are correct, too many nerve endings on the fingers but
the back of the hand is pretty insensitive. It's a temporary work around until
you find a real fix.

John G
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:28:57 -0800
From: "Jose A. Fernandez"
Subject: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

Hello All,

I recently became a statistic by injuring my back during a basketball
game. My doctor guessed I tore a muscle in my lower back -- two weeks
later his guess turns out to be right. During the worst part of the
episode, I drove a neighbor's Chevy S10 pickup, which has an automatic
transmission. As a friend watched me hobble and grimace, he said, "It's
a good thing you aren't driving your truck!"

Zing!

My doctor warned me that unless I take proper care of my back, future
crippling episodes are inevitable.

My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
dealt with driving your manual transmissions?
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:48:49 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

After I first got my 1999 f250sd with a manual I noticed that I though I was
developing back problems after driving. I at first though it might be the
seat but later surmised that it was the very stiff clutch petal that caused
the problem. I have since "strengthened" by clutch foot and all ok.

David

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 12:29 PM
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Subject: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries


Hello All,

I recently became a statistic by injuring my back during a basketball
game. My doctor guessed I tore a muscle in my lower back -- two weeks
later his guess turns out to be right. During the worst part of the
episode, I drove a neighbor's Chevy S10 pickup, which has an automatic
transmission. As a friend watched me hobble and grimace, he said, "It's
a good thing you aren't driving your truck!"

Zing!

My doctor warned me that unless I take proper care of my back, future
crippling episodes are inevitable.

My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
dealt with driving your manual transmissions?
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:13:31 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

I'm driving right now with a minor back injury. And the car I'm driving seems
to make it worst by being too constrictive. It a Ford Contour, a small squeeze
box loaner from my dealership while I wait for my Super Duty.

The injury is a pinched nerve right between my shoulder blades. Nothing as
serious as your's sounds, and probably will be gone in a week or two. But
getting in and out of this tiny vehicle seems to aggravates it. And with big
shoulders, those tiny seats don't help either. Can't find a good position that
lasts for long. So my point is that I think a large truck would be good for your

back. (Sorry, the S10 doesn't qualify.)

As far as stick shift, I once got a deep gash on my right elbow that required
stitches and while it was healing, I learned to shift with my right foot (shoe
on).
Sounds funning and I can laugh at it now - but I actually got pretty good at it.

Best regards and a speedy recovery,

Charles.



"Jose A. Fernandez" wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I recently became a statistic by injuring my back during a basketball
> game....... I drove a neighbor's Chevy S10 pickup, which has an automatic
> transmission. As a friend watched me hobble and grimace, he said, "It's
> a good thing you aren't driving your truck!"

> My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
> dealt with driving your manual transmissions?
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:36 -0500
From: Glenn Lepore
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

At 01:13 PM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
>> dealt with driving your manual transmissions?

I recently had back surgery (had a ruptured disc repaired). I have a
'98 F-150 SC, and a '89 Mustang. I found the F-150 seats caused my back
to give me some grief and the Mustang's seats much more comfortable.

I fixed the F-150 seat problem by using a seat cushion borrowed from
a dining room chair (the kind that tie to the seat). This made me sit
higher in the seat and kept my back from contouring to the seat.

Glenn


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:14:47 -0600
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

I had an operation in my lower back some 16-17 years ago, had to trim a disc
away from the sciatic nerve. I had been driving a compact Jap. car to save
gas in the early 80's. My doc told me that all of his back patients drove
pickups. I got back in a PU, a diesel Chev. and the heavy duty front
springs made me wonder about my decision, but I got a small cushion for my
lower back and it corrected the problem. It was a manual transmission. My
back "went out" while on a trip in a Pontiac Catalina.

My good doctor and the PU's apparently remedied my problem, it has not
re-occurred. I think a PU is the way to go even though you may have to
experiment with various cushions.

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:17:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Frank Bures"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:41:36 -0500, Glenn Lepore wrote:

>At 01:13 PM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>> My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
>>> dealt with driving your manual transmissions?
>
>I recently had back surgery (had a ruptured disc repaired). I have a
>'98 F-150 SC, and a '89 Mustang. I found the F-150 seats caused my back
>to give me some grief and the Mustang's seats much more comfortable.
>
>I fixed the F-150 seat problem by using a seat cushion borrowed from
>a dining room chair (the kind that tie to the seat). This made me sit
>higher in the seat and kept my back from contouring to the seat.

Slightly off topic:

Many years ago when I lived in central Europe, I got my left ankle
dislodged. The pain BTW was quite incredible. Anyway, after X-rays and a
cast I could not walk without help and my wife was on vacation at our
cottage 200 miles away. So I crawled into my Skoda (that was not a vehicle
of choice, there was no other vehicle available) and drove that distance
without clutch. The only problem was to get moving. I did it by switching
the ignition off, shifting into the first and then starting the engine. The
car jumped around a little, but then got moving and from there I shifted
without clutch. I even picked up a hitchhiker on the highway. You would
not believe his face, when he saw my driving style, but by then it was to
late for him to step out :-)


Frank Bures, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Toronto, M5S 3H6
fbures chem.toronto.edu
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:25:18 -0800
From: denton sprague
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

Welcome to the club!! I not only have a chronic bad back, but I also get
gout in my left foot! I finally would up trading a perfectly good '94 Ranger
4 x 4 to get into a '98 Explorer.
In my case, a couple of local doctors highly suggested a sports ute or a
mini-van for seat support and ease of entering/exiting. Since there are
vitrually no returns on mini-vans here, I settled for the Explorer. Now,
wish I had done so years ago.

"Jose A. Fernandez" wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I recently became a statistic by injuring my back during a basketball
> game. My doctor guessed I tore a muscle in my lower back -- two weeks
> later his guess turns out to be right. During the worst part of the
> episode, I drove a neighbor's Chevy S10 pickup, which has an automatic
> transmission. As a friend watched me hobble and grimace, he said, "It's
> a good thing you aren't driving your truck!"
>
> Zing!
>
> My doctor warned me that unless I take proper care of my back, future
> crippling episodes are inevitable.
>
> My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
> dealt with driving your manual transmissions?
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:46:10 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

I would definetely get some sort of step if I had a back problem....

That first step down out of a 250 SD gives a pretty jarring stop at the
bottom.

My .02

Frank




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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:09:28 EST
From: LOUISETUL aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

In a message dated 3/10/99 10:44:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, jaf kuriake.com
writes:

>
> My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
> dealt with driving your manual transmissions?


I don't have an injured back, but hubby fractured a vertebrae 3 years ago
falling off a loading dock. Yes, it was painful and for the year following
the injury, he was off several months. He still has trouble with it. But as
for driving the truck. No problem. We have a '97 F250 Powerstroke with the
5-speed tranny. Of course, he only gets to drive it on weekends or when we go
on a trip. This MY truck. But again back to back injuries and driving a
manual. He doesn't have any problems with it. He can adjust the seat for
him. And when we do travel, we do stop every couple of hours to get out and
walk around.

Louise
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:12:52 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Driving with back injuries

I've had back problems for about 35 years, I think the real
answer is learn to live with it. Learn how to position your
body when sitting, standing or laying down. Sometimes you
have to shim the body up with another cushion or pillow, and
its impossible to be comfortable in any one position over a
long period of time (such as driving long distances). For
me the most comfortable position for driving is to raise the
seat or sit on an addition cushion, once on the road and the
speed control can be set, place both feet flat on the floor
board and back against the front of the seat, knees as low
as possible. But remember what works for me may no for you.
As for driving a manual trans car, if driving a manual
causes pain then try an automatic. Good luck, hope my reply
doesn't sound rude, but been there done that, its whatever
feels comfortable to you.

Glenn Lepore wrote:
>
> At 01:13 PM 3/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >> My question for the list is: How have you folks with injured backs
> >> dealt with driving your manual transmissions?

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:53:17 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: FTE 97up - Retained Radio Power

With all this talk about the "missing" retained accessory power on the
radio, while it is present on the power windows, and mentioned in the
manual; I decided to have my dad bring it up with the service manager when
he brought his '99 Expy EB in for it's first service. He showed the page in
the manual to the manager and they wrote it up. This is what the invoice
said when he got the truck back:

"Concern Verified. Feature only present on Lincoln Navigator."

My question is, if it is only present on the Nav, why is the feature
mentioned in the Expedition, LD F-series, and SD F-series manuals?

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:55:43 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: Power Stroke catalyst

E348

I've noticed that the Super Duty F-Series trucks with the
Power Stroke no longer have a catalyst like the earlier '99s did.
What other changes enabled this to happen? Thanks. -- Nathan
Bernard, Union Auto, Inc. e-mail: unionaut adiis.net

Nathan,

According to an engineer at Navistar, the company that builds the 7.3L
POWER STROKEr to Ford's exacting specifications, all 7.3L V-8s built
for Ford since Job #1, January 1999, no longer require a catalytic
converter to meet emissions regulations.

Navistar modified the fuel system, the air intake system, the engine's
electronic control module and other engineering details that enabled
Navistar to eliminate the catalytic converter.

Thanks for your question; keep them coming! Good Selling!



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:59:05 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part III

An engineer from Eaton (manufacturer of Ford's fan clutches) called me
today and I told him about how both my original and the dealer replaced
fan clutches cause irregular and "higher than necessary" fan speeds,
particularly in sub-freezing winter temps. He told me that Eaton does
not test the clutch operation in cold temps since they are more
concerned with cooling at high temps. They typically start testing at
80F and go up. Can you believe it? OK Ford owners, the next time you
start up your truck, listen to and/or watch the cooling fan operation,
and see if it doesn't go up and down all the time, and run fast (and
blow lots of air) when its cold out. Starting up a stone cold engine
should never engage the fan clutch since it won't engage until around
170F -- the Eaton engineer concluded. Then why is it running so fast?
It takes forever for the cab to warm up, I think in large part because
the fan is blowing the cold air against the fire wall so hard. I would
like to hear from other F owners how their cooling fans operate, both
stone cold and when warmed up. Thanks alot!
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:11:46 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fan clutch exploded view

Check out the neat drawing and explanation of how the fan clutch is
supposed to work in our Ford F-Series trucks.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eaton.com/fluidpower/explosio.html
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:45:13 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Exhaust with dual side tips

I am installing the Borla stainless steel dual-exhaust pipe "cat-back" kit
on my '99 F-350 SuperDuty / V-10 / 4X4 / SuperCab / Longbed. The two pipes
exit in the rear in a traditional dual-exhaust set-up. The tail pieces
really look neat, A pipe surrounded by a larger pipe with flanges between
them, kind of like a custom mag wheel. I have the Borla single exhaust
Cat-Back on my Expedition and it is really nice; however, it is not loud at
all, in fact, I kind of wish it was a little louder!

Keith


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To: expedition intellisys.net
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:11 PM
Subject: EXPEDITION: Exhaust with dual side tips


Tom, I am thinking about doing my own exhaust too, similiar to what
you did. Did you just remove the Y-pipe and run the new pipe from
there???? I am looking at possibly installing dual pipes(with Cherry
Bomb mufflers) and having an exit on each side. My big problem is
routing the exhaust pipe passed the filler tube. Any hits??? All
that I can figure out is to put a heat shield up to protect the filler
tube from the exhaust pipe. It may be more hassle than it is really
worth. Do you sense any extra power from this????

Chris "Thermo" Coleman


From: "Cody, Tom (RHD-CHB)"
Subject: FW: EXPEDITION: Exhaust with dual side (stock location) tips

Repost due to list problems...

Ashok,

I installed a custom CAT Back exhaust system with Dual 2 real exit
pipes.
It isn't stainless due to the costs. I went with aluminized Steel.
The
muffler is a Dynomax and the sound is very very good. Deep tone, but
not
too loud. The muffler shop (local MIDAS) had some challenges running
the
rear pipes, however, they got it done. They both exist at the same
location
as the stock rear. I really like the system and I'm especially glad
I
went with the dual exits rather than a single aftermarket cat back
system.
Every keeps asking me where I got the Expedition with dual exhaust or I
love
the "what kind of engine to you have in that thing, it sounds great?"

Tom


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:23:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part III

My fan does blow lots of cold air on startup. I think someone said it
will at first because the fluid is thick when cold and has to circulate
and that takes some time. But it does also cycle fast/slow before the
engine is warm. Whatever, I'm going "fix" it by replacing it with
an electric.

Good exploded view of the fan clutch, thanks.

Danny

> An engineer from Eaton (manufacturer of Ford's fan clutches) called me
> today and I told him about how both my original and the dealer replaced
> fan clutches cause irregular and "higher than necessary" fan speeds,
> particularly in sub-freezing winter temps. He told me that Eaton does
> not test the clutch operation in cold temps since they are more
> concerned with cooling at high temps. They typically start testing at
> 80F and go up. Can you believe it? OK Ford owners, the next time you
> start up your truck, listen to and/or watch the cooling fan operation,
> and see if it doesn't go up and down all the time, and run fast (and
> blow lots of air) when its cold out. Starting up a stone cold engine
> should never engage the fan clutch since it won't engage until around
> 170F -- the Eaton engineer concluded. Then why is it running so fast?
> It takes forever for the cab to warm up, I think in large part because
> the fan is blowing the cold air against the fire wall so hard. I would
> like to hear from other F owners how their cooling fans operate, both
> stone cold and when warmed up. Thanks alot!

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:22:14 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Driving with Back Injuries

I think I have you all beat on the back injury topic. I had a 2" tumor that
was making love to my spinal cord T5. They had to remove the back of three
vertebrae to remove the little monster. The surgery has a success, and I am
still walking and talking. Getting the Lariat package with the adjustable
leather seats, running boards and Auto tranny allows me to get around pretty
good. Oh, of coarse, the pain pills help out too.

John Patterson
99 F250 superduty
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:35:30 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Retained Radio Power

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:53:17 -0800, you wrote:

:With all this talk about the "missing" retained accessory power on the=20
:radio, while it is present on the power windows, and mentioned in the
:manual; I decided to have my dad bring it up with the service manager =
when
:he brought his '99 Expy EB in for it's first service. He showed the page=
in
:the manual to the manager and they wrote it up. This is what the invoice
:said when he got the truck back:
:
:"Concern Verified. Feature only present on Lincoln Navigator."
:
:My question is, if it is only present on the Nav, why is the feature
:mentioned in the Expedition, LD F-series, and SD F-series manuals?
:
:Rob
:=3D=3D FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info =
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I bet they made a mistake......

:-)

Later,
Alan
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:20:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce yet another
free service to its members and visitors on the web site
(http://www.ford-trucks.com/).

We now have access to Ford Motor Company's media center.
Check out the site often for the latest Ford truck news
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"March 10, 1999 - 1999 SVT F-150 Lightning to pace NASCAR
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:25:14 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Retained Radio Power

Rob Bryan wrote:
>
> With all this talk about the "missing" retained accessory power on the
> radio, while it is present on the power windows, and mentioned in the
> manual; I decided to have my dad bring it up with the service manager when
> he brought his '99 Expy EB in for it's first service. He showed the page in
> the manual to the manager and they wrote it up. This is what the invoice
> said when he got the truck back:
>
> "Concern Verified. Feature only present on Lincoln Navigator."
>
> My question is, if it is only present on the Nav, why is the feature
> mentioned in the Expedition, LD F-series, and SD F-series manuals?
>
> Rob
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Bob,

All that is needed is to run a wire to the radio power
circuit from GEM power lead for the window switch circuit.
Just make sure you cut the radio power circuit from it's
original power source so it doesn't fry the GEM. As for why
Ford mentioned it, all I can say is someone goofed.

Regards

Jean marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:46:16 -0600
From: "Dunn"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?

Call the 800 number, they can tell you what ramp your truck has been deliver
to, surely it's made it that far. Mine F250 XLT PSD SB 4x2 was built 2/9/99
and delivered 2/27/99 to Texas. Just make sure you talk to a real person.

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:50:11 -0800
From: Jon Lam
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 V6 HP Spec. & Dif. Ratio

I have just purchased a used 1997 F-150 XL V6 S/C 2WD 5SP. It works
fine but I don't know what is the engine spec. - HP & torque and what
is the Dif. ratio?
Any helps is welcome.

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:16:19 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 V6 HP Spec. & Dif. Ratio

Jon Lam wrote:
>
> I have just purchased a used 1997 F-150 XL V6 S/C 2WD 5SP. It works
> fine but I don't know what is the engine spec. - HP & torque and what
> is the Dif. ratio?
> Any helps is welcome.
>
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Jon,

The HP is 210 5000 rpm and torque is 260 lbs/ft 3000
rpm. For the axle ratio look at the Vehicle certification
label on the driver side door jam or door. In the box
marked axle you will see a code. 18 = 3.08 19 = 3.55 and
H9 = 3.55 limited slip. There is no limited slip offered
with the 3.08.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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