97up-list-digest Tuesday, March 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 061



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
FTE 97up - Spray on liners
FTE 97up - Receiver based spare tire carrier
FTE 97up - Re: Cat or No Cat
RE: FTE 97up - Re: Cat or No Cat
Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables
Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??
RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
Re: Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners
FTE 97up - Re:Why spray on bedliners?
FTE 97up - New Truck!
FTE 97up - Snowplowing Fun
FTE 97up - 98 Ex for Sale
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??
RE: FTE 97up - 961 idle option
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - I have my new T/C
RE: FTE 97up - What should I ask??
Re: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?
Re: FTE 97up - Mirrors
RE: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?
RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static
FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static
Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?
Re: FTE 97up - 961 idle option
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:09:46 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables

Jon Berman wrote:
>
> Ok, here's a weird one. I recently purchased a 1998 F150, 2wd, shortbed,
> std. cab. Being the "detail-oriented" person I am, I noticed that the
> right (passenger) side tailgate support cable was much looser than the
> left side when the tailgate was down. The left side was tight, but the
> right side was pretty loose. In fact, only when I sat my 170lb. body on
> the tailgate did the right side get tight.
>
> I took it to the dealer who ordered new cables for me, but after
> installing the new ones, the right side was exactly the same--still
> loose. We checked out several other 97+ vehicles on the lot, and most of
> them were loose on the right side too! No one has any idea why one side
> would be loose and one side tight. Any ideas? 2 local dealers and Ford
> customer service is stumped!!
>
> Thank you,
> Jon
>

Jon,

I would ask the dealer to check the bushing on the right
side hinge. If is is missing/wore out then it could cause
your problem. If the frame is bent this could be another
cause. Ford allows too much frame flex on these trucks and
as they age it will create even more problems.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:22:50 -0800
From: Dan Healy
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

I have a spray on liner, and it does not protect from dents.. I have dents in bed
didn't know there was one that protected from dents? Enlighten me!

RSnovi aol.com wrote:
well i guess you don't care about resale value or what you truck looks like in

> the mean time. I like to have a truck that looks good all the time, i use it
> to haul stuff all the time too. I guess its just a matter of personal
> preference, some like to protect their vehicles and not dent and scratch them
> like some tile and construction workers i have seen do.
>
> RS
>
> Date: 3/6/99 3:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: kg8aw ismi.net (Bill)
> Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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> I've seen several posts about spray on bedliner. Question
> is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
> peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
> sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
> covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
> get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
> in then?? I remember when aluminum wheels first came on new
> cars. Some people went out and bought steel wheels then
> stored the new aluminum ones in the garage till it was time
> to sell the car. Don't make sense to me, what is it I don't
> seem to understand?? I'm not joking, I don't understand
> it. Bill
>
> Mike McNany wrote:
> >
> > If you want to do-it-your-self, J.C. Whitney has two different
> packages.
> > One, in black or blue at 16.99 /qt., requires 4 quarts for full size beds.
> > The other, in gray, brown, or black at 99.95, comes in a kit which includes
> > brush, mixer, sandpaper. Like any other "paint", it's the prep that's
> > crucial. I'd use a serious wax stripper before roughing up the surface.
> Just
> > saw these in the catalog, haven't tried them.
> > Mike
> >
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:27:09 -0800
From: Dan Healy
Subject: FTE 97up - Spray on liners

I had a scorpion liner sprayed on 8 months ago... I already have peels
on bolts and tears.. Scorpion has already set up to have bed re-sprayed
and brought back to new condition. So they do stand by their word!
Has anyone sprayed the rocker panels in the doors? I was thinking of
having those sprayed as I do not like the aluminium accesory add-on. I
get a lot of scratches in paint when I step up, and thought maybe it
would help, but concern is when door is shut if it screws up alighnment
of door?

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:37:55 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Receiver based spare tire carrier

I just did a search and found this receiver drawbar based external spare
tire carrier for those who have over, over sized tires at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckworldonline.com/truckworldcom/mir-kyn/index.html
500# tongue/5k capacity on the hitch for towing, $195 (a bit steep), RRS
model has a ball platform, RRD model has an open receiver tube for your
other accessories like bike mount , hitch haul, ect. Never know what you can
find until you look!
Later, Mike the exLT

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:47:50 -0600
From: Kimuel Hill
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Cat or No Cat

>From what I have read and heard, the Cat was removed when Ford added
intake heating for startup. With the intake heating the startup
emissions were low enough to pass the EPA requirements. I don't know of
any timing/fuel changes that went along with that. According to Banks
Engineering, removing the cat reduces exhaust restrictions and enhances
power output.

My ownner's manual says the radio will stay on for up to 10 minutes
after you shut the key off. Any ideas how to make this work??? Or is
this another phantom option??
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:55:41 -0700
From: "Kurt Musgrave"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: Cat or No Cat

Could we hear more details about the intake heating? I had not
heard about this before.

Kurt

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>From what I have read and heard, the Cat was removed when Ford
added
intake heating for startup. With the intake heating the startup

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:22:02 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

Ultra is supposed to be coming out with a five spoke design for SD, I'm told
these wheels will be $125 ea, thats about half the price of a Weld wheel.

Mattb


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From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 4:38 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?


>
> Well, looks like I'm going to have to buy new
>wheels in order to go with bigger tires.
>So....Who makes a good quality wheel, besides
>WELD, (too expensive and don't like designs)
>American Racing? American Eagle Alloys? etc.
>
>Thanks
>Vaughn
>99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
>wolf enter.net
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:23:24 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables

My new SD is the same way.

Mattb

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From: Jon Berman
To: Ford truck mailing list
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 7:58 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables


>Ok, here's a weird one. I recently purchased a 1998 F150, 2wd, shortbed,
>std. cab. Being the "detail-oriented" person I am, I noticed that the
>right (passenger) side tailgate support cable was much looser than the
>left side when the tailgate was down. The left side was tight, but the
>right side was pretty loose. In fact, only when I sat my 170lb. body on
>the tailgate did the right side get tight.
>
>I took it to the dealer who ordered new cables for me, but after
>installing the new ones, the right side was exactly the same--still
>loose. We checked out several other 97+ vehicles on the lot, and most of
>them were loose on the right side too! No one has any idea why one side
>would be loose and one side tight. Any ideas? 2 local dealers and Ford
>customer service is stumped!!
>
>Thank you,
>Jon
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:46:15 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

Hi,

I understand what your saying about lowering the rear
but I like the looks of the higher stance.
I wish BFG made the 255/85/16 in an AT.
That would work good.

Thanks
Vaughn




Vaughn, I think I read you were going to raise the front 2in?
You know maybe if you lower the back 2-3in you could fill that
empty space between the rear wheel well and the tire! The truck
will still sit alittle higher in the rear! You do know Ford will
lower the back for free! They did mine. But it was a little to
low in the rear for me so I stuck a 1in block back in it! But I
didn't need to change shocks or Ubolts when I added the 1in
blocks Ford had to replace this when they removed the factory
blocks. The 1in blocks cost me $17 apair. So what I am getting
at is, Lower the back 3in, go to 285/75/16 The truck will sit
much nicer ride better and look better! And you don't have to
spend the money on the front lift! Or spend the money for the
rims! Do the math! Vaughn this is just my logical way of getting
what I want out of my truck! I may try to go with the 305/70/16
GOODYEAR Have you heard of Denman tires? They make a 34 for your
rim. And I know a guy who put a set of their 36in on the same
rims we have? The tire is called a coyote, you may want to take
a look? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.denmantire.com/catalog/coyote.html I'll be
standing by! I like to know what you do! Gene Vaughn (VDB)
wrote:

> Hi Gene,
>
> I want to go with BFG AT 295/75/16.
> I get some people who say they will work on
> the 7" rim, and others who say you should
> not go bigger than 265/75/16 on 7" rims.
> I'd rather NOT have to buy new rims, but
> I also don't want to have wear and/or handling
> problems with too much tire for the rim.
> I'm pretty sure I could get away with 285's
> on a 7" rim...but maybe not 295's.....
>
> What have you've found out????
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
>
> Vaughn, what size tire are you thinking of going too?
> I have looked at alot of tires!
> There are several tires out there that will fit your rims! All
> the way up to 36in ! Iam thinking about going to a 34in with
> my rims! I do belive you will have to raise the front to go
> taller than a 34in? Gene
>
> Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Quick question, again, since I'm going to
> > be getting new wheels and tires soon,
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:45:51 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

I took a look yesterday at the 2 rims that American Racing now has for the
Superduty. They are the Python and Atlas in a16x8.
Both are about $170 each. I like the Pyhton.

Mike Strukel

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> From:Matt Bailey [SMTP:matthewb sprintmail.com]
> Sent:Saturday, March 06, 1999 10:22 PM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
>
> Ultra is supposed to be coming out with a five spoke design for SD, I'm
> told
> these wheels will be $125 ea, thats about half the price of a Weld wheel.
>
> Mattb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vaughn (VDB)
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 4:38 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
>
>
> >
> > Well, looks like I'm going to have to buy new
> >wheels in order to go with bigger tires.
> >So....Who makes a good quality wheel, besides
> >WELD, (too expensive and don't like designs)
> >American Racing? American Eagle Alloys? etc.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Vaughn
> >99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
> >wolf enter.net
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 07:36:04 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners

When the Rhino Lining techs installed my lining they removed the access
cover for the tailgate lock, and all the other detachable items and screws.
Then they sprayed these parts individually and reinstalled them when they
were "dry". So nothing was glued in and the screws are uncovered as well.

Steve
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From: RAY WRIGHT
To: 97
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 5:41 PM
Subject: Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners


>I have a 1999 f-350 xlt 4x4 psd,I had a ultimate liner installed,love
>it,
>cost was 400.00 plus tax,they had the truck 1 day.Only 1 problem,after
>we had it installed the tailgate mechanism inside the gate did'nt work,
>no fault of the guy who installed the liner,but when the liner is
>applied it is put on the inside of the tailgate.Therefore you cant
>access the inside of the tailgate to repair it.The liner has to be
>removed,at 38.00 per hour,could take 1-3 hrs.have'nt talked to the
>dealer,i am hoping they will be able to help me out with this problem.
>Installer says this is very unusual,but it does happen.You might want to
>think of having the plate taken off the inside of the tailgate,before
>installing the liner.The installer said only one guy has asked for this,
>and he said it did'nt look so good,hopefully you will never have this
>problem,but it can happen.
>Ray Wright
>Windsor CT.
>e-mail:tworites home.com
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 08:32:49 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Why spray on bedliners?

SNIP
is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
in then?? I remember when aluminum wheels first came on new
cars. Some people went out and bought steel wheels then
stored the new aluminum ones in the garage till it was time
to sell the car. Don't make sense to me, what is it I don't
seem to understand?? I'm not joking, I don't understand
it. Bill >
It really keeps the truck looking like new instead of having a fancy
exterior with a dented and ripped up looking (but highly functional) bed.
And in most cases you'll have to admit that pickups travel around relatively
empty. It can be touched up in most cases, just like paint, but its harder
to cut out around the to-be-repaired section during prep. It doesn't get
damaged too easily. It does provide minimal padding, good non skid function
, and doesn't scratch the paint like a regular bedliner.


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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:19:31 EST
From: NavJohn aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - New Truck!

Well, it's still parked in my driveway this morning, so I didn't dream it. I
ordered a F 450 XLT crew cab diesel on Jan. 29. The dealer said it would take
three to four months for delivery. So I was completely unprepared when he
called last Wednesday (March 3) and said "Your truck's in." I said, "Oh,
you've got a build date?" "No," he replied, "It's settin' here on the lot."
So after scrabbling around to get my loan finalized and finding someone to
drive me to the dealership (all the time thinking about the poor fellow on the
Ford truck list whose truck was sold to someone else before he could pick it
up) I took delivery on Saturday, March 6. The only problems are (1) I wasn't
counting on making the BIG payments for another two or three months, and (2) I
thought I had plenty of time to decide what kind of a bed I want to put on it
to haul a fifth wheel trailer. The fiver isn't scheduled to be built until
August, but the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to get a phone
call saying "Hey, your trailer's ready!"
John Wilson
Waddy, KY
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:53:09 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Snowplowing Fun

Weeeeeeeee! Finally got to do some real snowplowing today in my '99 F-350
SuperDuty / 4X4 / V-10 / SuperCab / Longbed that I put the Tuff-Country 3.5"
front spring kit into. Amazingly strong springs, when I put the plow up,
the front goes down very little (1 inch or so). I had to adjust the chain
so the plow will go all the way to the ground now compared to when it was
adjusted for the stock front springs. [Actually, I may have over adjusted
it since I noticed I really dig-up a good chunks of dirt when I miss the
pavement, hmmmm, maybe I could use the truck as a bulldozer!]. So far I am
very impressed with the V-10, plows fine in 4X4 high or 4X4 low. Doesn't
even seem to make a difference as far as the motor "working" seems to go
(obviously in 4X4 low, the revs are higher for a given MPH compared to 4X4
high). I had the 4 molded mudflaps installed last time I was at the dealer
and they do help keep crap off the sides of the truck, well worth the 20
bucks a set (2). Anyway, I did seem to burn a lot of gas, don't know yet
how much but the needle dropped from F to 3/4 rather quickly.

Keith

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:19:57 -0500
From: "Taylor Hollins"
Subject: FTE 97up - 98 Ex for Sale

I have a 1998 Eddie Bauer Expedition with front brush guard and around the
taillights. Also with vent visors and bug sheild. It has 7,500 miles on
it and not a scratch or stain.
I am asking 33,500.00 for it.
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:14:09 -0600
From: "Karl Nyhus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

> Gene wrote:
> Bill, I understand I dont like spray on bed liners!
>They make no sence to me?

>
>>Bill wrote:
>> I've seen several posts about spray on bedliner. Question
>> is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
>> peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
>> sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
>> covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
>> get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
>> in then??


Why a spray-in bed liner? For me, it is because normal wear and tear on the
bed exposes bare metal, with rust not far behind. My hope (and experience so
far) is that the spray-in bed liner is more rugged than the factory paint. I
want to enjoy a rust-free truck during the many years I plan to own it. I
got my Line-X coating from a professional outfit that did good prep work and
who have a talented sprayer on their staff. That's important with a coating
that is applied hot and sets up almost immediately. So far I've needed no
repairs, but spot repairs can be made if I do something really horrendous to
my truck. Get it now?

Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN--1997 Pacific Green Ford F-150 SuperCab XL, SB,
4.6L V8, 4WD, 5-speed, 3.08, LT255/70R16D BFG All-Terrain T/A on steel,
Better Built toolbox, Line-X spray-in liner, rust-proofed, undercoated

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:23:40 -0600
From: "Karl Nyhus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

>Vaughn wrote:
>I want to go with BFG AT 295/75/16.
>I get some people who say they will work on
>the 7" rim, and others who say you should
>not go bigger than 265/75/16 on 7" rims.
>I'd rather NOT have to buy new rims, but
>I also don't want to have wear and/or handling
>problems with too much tire for the rim.
>I'm pretty sure I could get away with 285's
>on a 7" rim...but maybe not 295's.....


Look on the www.bfgoodrichtires.com web site or ask a good BF Goodrich
dealer. Their tech data says rims 7.5 to 9.0 inches wide for the All-Terrain
T/A in 285/75R16, and 7.5 to 9.5 inches wide for 295/75R16. You would need
new wider rims.

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:24:19 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 961 idle option

Thanks Nathan. I'm going for the 96P now. (but it requires the PTO which
I wasn't originally planning)
I debated about it before (it was deleted when I went Lariat, but not added
back when I returned to XLT - debate over dogs and leather) so I'm not too
annoyed. My use for the idle control was more along the lines of the
ambulance alternator output control.
I'm hoping that my dealer just got his math wrong - he was saying that it
was ~$400 for the 96P/PTO combo, over and above the 961 option. Given your
numbers that should be over NO options.
What's the "Full function" give me over the 961 version? My dealer is an
ambulance guy and has only seen the 961.
And while I'm here, has anyone heard of an aircompressor or hydraulic pump
that will bolt to the superduty PTO? The literature implies it doesn't
have the same spline pattern as our farm tractors.
>The 961 option is now only available with the ambulance prep package.
>Instead their offering 96P Full function idle control ($210 retail, 178
>invoice). It still isn't available with the Lariat pkg.

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 18:36:03 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

Maybe misled some of you on bed liners?
My opinion is bed liners are a near must if you use the truck!
I do have a slide in under the rail liner!
I can not accept a dent or scratch inside or outside of my truck!
I just dont care for the spray in liners.
Gene
Karl Nyhus wrote:

> > Gene wrote:
> > Bill, I understand I dont like spray on bed liners!
> >They make no sence to me?
>
> >
> >>Bill wrote:
> >> I've seen several posts about spray on bedliner. Question
> >> is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
> >> peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
> >> sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
> >> covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
> >> get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
> >> in then??
>
> Why a spray-in bed liner? For me, it is because normal wear and tear on the
> bed exposes bare metal, with rust not far behind. My hope (and experience so
> far) is that the spray-in bed liner is more rugged than the factory paint. I
> want to enjoy a rust-free truck during the many years I plan to own it. I
> got my Line-X coating from a professional outfit that did good prep work and
> who have a talented sprayer on their staff. That's important with a coating
> that is applied hot and sets up almost immediately. So far I've needed no
> repairs, but spot repairs can be made if I do something really horrendous to
> my truck. Get it now?
>
> Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN--1997 Pacific Green Ford F-150 SuperCab XL, SB,
> 4.6L V8, 4WD, 5-speed, 3.08, LT255/70R16D BFG All-Terrain T/A on steel,
> Better Built toolbox, Line-X spray-in liner, rust-proofed, undercoated
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:14:58 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - I have my new T/C

Time: Monday 03-08-99, 04:05 am

Received a call from the dealer on Friday and
they said that my truck was ready, even though they
had said that they would not get a new T/C from
Okalahoma until at least Monday. I can't believe
how much quieter the truck really is! If you think
you have a problem, all I can say is, bring it in
and have them look at it. Worked for me. But on
another note I still have that burnt smell from the
heater, even though they did spray that mildew
cleaner on the components involved. They also
claimed to have changed the air filter box (Per
oasis TSB 97-16-11), but it looks like the old one
to me. It is still dusty and the air cleaner and
bottom of the box still have pine needles stuck in
them. I am going to go back and ask them about
this. The box still takes air from under the wheel
well.

Talk to you all later....Steve Ng...The FishNg1

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:09:51 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

Vaughn,

I have seen quite a few sets of these tires/rims in the paper. Many of
them have been listed for months. Since the rims only fit the 99s,
there is almost no market for the rims. The tires on the other hand
should be worth $300 or so.


Mike Strukel


> -----Original Message-----
> From:Vaughn (VDB) [SMTP:wolf enter.net]
> Sent:Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:39 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 97up - What should I ask??
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Quick question, again, since I'm going to
> be getting new wheels and tires soon, what
> is a fair price to ask for my stock rims (XLT)
> with the 265/75/16 FireStone AT tires?
> They have approx. 6000 miles on them.
>
> Thanks again,
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:19:39 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?

Eddie Bauer was at one time an outdoor sportswear company, used to outfit
expeditions. They are based in Seattle. Today they have been bought out by
Speigles (I think) They still have a nice line of casual clothes and some
sports oriented stuff (down jackets, sweaters and so forth) Good goods, kind
of pricey. So Ford bought the rights to an outdoorsy name, like Jeep had a
Levi's version, Lincoln had a Ralph Lauren, Bill Blass version.

Market, Market, Market and get them consumers to part with their money.

John G
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:37:40 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mirrors

I used that technique in my 86 Blazer. It has one god awful blind spot on the
right. I try to set it up so that as I lose them in the rear view mirror they
show up in the right mirror and as the rear end drops out of sight they show
up in my peripheral vision.

It can be done, but It's a very sensitive position. And I've got teenagers in
the area that walk by and readjust everyone's mirror free of charge. Oh for a
power conversion for that mirror.

John G
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:45:07 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?

and all this time i thought eddie bauer played Hockey for the rangers in the
70's.


> Eddie Bauer was at one time an outdoor sportswear company,
> used to outfit
> expeditions. They are based in Seattle. Today they have been
> bought out by
> Speigles (I think) They still have a nice line of casual
> clothes and some
> sports oriented stuff (down jackets, sweaters and so forth)
> Good goods, kind
> of pricey. So Ford bought the rights to an outdoorsy name,
> like Jeep had a
> Levi's version, Lincoln had a Ralph Lauren, Bill Blass version.

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:38:49 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

I also found out that Ultra makes 1 wheel to fit the SD so far. TYPE 150 -
Polished Alum. $175 each, chromed alum $325

Can you say EXPENSIVE!

Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Vaughn (VDB) [SMTP:wolf enter.net]
> Sent:Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:28 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
>
>
> Well, looks like I'm going to have to buy new
> wheels in order to go with bigger tires.
> So....Who makes a good quality wheel, besides
> WELD, (too expensive and don't like designs)
> American Racing? American Eagle Alloys? etc.
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:53:33 -0800
From: "Harald Stenger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static

I've noticed a serious static problem with my 99 F350 this winter here in
Seattle. I can actually see an arc when I put my hand to the door to close
it. I tried a grounding strap hanging off the frame, but that didn't help.
Pulling the door shut by the stowage bin on the door panel works, but I'm
afraid this will deform the panel over time. I've resorted to holding the
metal part of the door while stepping out as this causes the discharge to
occur between my shoe and the ground where it's not noticeable. Another
option is to hold your key in your hand and touch the key tip to the door
before grabbing it to close it. There's just too many nerve endings in the
fingers to subject them to thousands of volts of electricity. Someone
mentioned anti-static spray: I'll have to try that. Maybe just rubbing
dryer sheets on the cloth seat would help?


Harald

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:53:34 -0800
From: "Harald Stenger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bed liners

I have the plain black Rhino liner on my truck to avoid the inevitable
rusting that occurs when the paint scratches from cargo or when a plastic
liner rubs dirt through the paint. It's also great because cargo doesn't
slide all over while driving.

I wonder if all Rhino dealers use the same procedures? My local dealer
removed the bed bolts and the tailgate access panel before spraying the
lining. I damaged the lining while loading my camper and they touched up
the lining no charge. That repair already paid for the extra cost of the
Rhino lining over a plastic liner that would now be damaged and
unrepairable. Can't beat that.

I also looked at Line-X, but decided against them because the finish was
harder than I wanted. It does look like a good product though.

Harald

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:55:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Foye
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

When looking at wheels you have to consider what you are going to be
doing with your rig. If you plan on putting heavy loads or a camper
you will have to get a stronger wheels. I too have looked at the
American Racing, American Eagles, and others but, have found that
their wheels are cast aluminum and not forged, which is much stronger.
If you look at Alcoa/Mickey Thompson or the Weld wheels you will see
that they are forged and have something like 3500lb capacity.
Just something to consider when looking at wheels.

Chris



- ---"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
>
> Well, looks like I'm going to have to buy new
> wheels in order to go with bigger tires.
> So....Who makes a good quality wheel, besides
> WELD, (too expensive and don't like designs)
> American Racing? American Eagle Alloys? etc.
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
> wolf enter.net
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 09:56:15 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fan clutch follies Part II

While at the annual SAE show in Detroit, I spoke with a couple of Eaton
employees at their booth, and discovered that they are the supplier of
the fan clutch for the F150. They also informed me that IT IS A
THERMOSTATICALLY CONTROLLED CLUTCH. I indicated that both my original
and dealer-replaced fan clutches both blow lots of air when the vehicle
is cold, before the engine thermostat ever opens up. They told me that
this should not be happening, as the thermostat band is what controls
the fluid going into the clutch. Engagement does not occur unless the
temp hitting the thermo band (from the radiator) is something like 170F.
Obviously a 30F morning and a cold truck shouldn't cause the clutch to
fully engage. It also cycles up and down all the time, no matter if
it's hot or cold. An Eaton rep is supposed to call me this week to talk
to me about this problem. I will report back my findings to the board.

'99 F150 XLT SC/LB 4x4 5.4L tow pkg w/ARE cap

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:36:16 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Eliminating static

The static build up is resulting from your clothing rubbing across the seat
as you ride in your vehicle, and especially when you slide out of the seat.
If you hold onto the door while getting out of the seat, you will discharge
static electricity into the door as it builds up, rather than letting it
build all the way up before discharging it. The static strap for the truck
doesn't do anything, since the static build up is between your body and the
vehicles upholstery. Winter is almost over, and when it get warmer and more
humid, the static build up decreases. In the interim, keep holding onto the
door while you slide out, or you can make sure the first thing that touches
the door is your elbow, shoulder, or something other than bare skin. Good
luck.



>I've noticed a serious static problem with my 99 F350 this winter here in
>Seattle. I can actually see an arc when I put my hand to the door to close
>it. I tried a grounding strap hanging off the frame, but that didn't help.
>Pulling the door shut by the stowage bin on the door panel works, but I'm
>afraid this will deform the panel over time. I've resorted to holding the
>metal part of the door while stepping out as this causes the discharge to
>occur between my shoe and the ground where it's not noticeable. Another
>option is to hold your key in your hand and touch the key tip to the door
>before grabbing it to close it. There's just too many nerve endings in the
>fingers to subject them to thousands of volts of electricity. Someone
>mentioned anti-static spray: I'll have to try that. Maybe just rubbing
>dryer sheets on the cloth seat would help?
>
>





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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:29:08 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

Hi,
I don't haul or tow anything so.....
And if I did it "probably" would not be anything
major.

Thanks
Vaughn



When looking at wheels you have to consider what you are going
to be doing with your rig. If you plan on putting heavy loads
or a camper you will have to get a stronger wheels. I too have
looked at the American Racing, American Eagles, and others but,
have found that their wheels are cast aluminum and not forged,
which is much stronger.
If you look at Alcoa/Mickey Thompson or the Weld wheels you
will see
that they are forged and have something like 3500lb capacity.
Just something to consider when looking at wheels.

Chris



- ---"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
>
> Well, looks like I'm going to have to buy new
> wheels in order to go with bigger tires.
> So....Who makes a good quality wheel, besides
> WELD, (too expensive and don't like designs)
> American Racing? American Eagle Alloys? etc.
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
> wolf enter.net
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:17:51 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?

The dealer can call OPC and initiate a trace to see what happened.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: DanBrotzman
To: '97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 1:41 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?


According to my vin# my 1999 SD, 350, CC. PSD, 4X4, 6SP, XLT, LB, was
assembled Jan 25, 99 with expected arrival Feb. 8-15. Have not seen it yet
and my dealer says it is now off his activity list. It may be off his
activity list, but certainly is not off mine! How can a person track down
where this truck may be sitting? If someone can help I would sure be
grateful.
Also can remote keyless entry be added if a truck is equiped with just power
locks?
Dan Brotzman - WI



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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:14:54 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 961 idle option

The only thing I can see is that it looks like the full function has a cord
so you can use it outside the vehicle.

Nathan Bernard

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From: davesomers
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 961 idle option


>Thanks Nathan. I'm going for the 96P now. (but it requires the PTO which
>I wasn't originally planning)
>I debated about it before (it was deleted when I went Lariat, but not added
>back when I returned to XLT - debate over dogs and leather) so I'm not too
>annoyed. My use for the idle control was more along the lines of the
>ambulance alternator output control.
>I'm hoping that my dealer just got his math wrong - he was saying that it
>was ~$400 for the 96P/PTO combo, over and above the 961 option. Given your
>numbers that should be over NO options.
>What's the "Full function" give me over the 961 version? My dealer is an
>ambulance guy and has only seen the 961.....


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