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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?
Re: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? - bit long.
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????
FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?
FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?
FTE 97up - Gears
RE: FTE 97up - Gears and towing
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?
FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
RE: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
FTE 97up - 255/85/16's?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?
Re: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work
Re: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work
Re: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work
Re: FTE 97up - 255/85/16's?
FTE 97up - New to list
Re: FTE 97up - New to list
FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?
Re: FTE 97up - New to list
FTE 97up - What should I ask??
FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables
FTE 97up - Re: Who is EB?
Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables
FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners
FTE 97up - F350 PSD Noise
Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??
FTE 97up - Re: trip computer
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Who is EB?
Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:24:22 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

> Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his
> Rhino liner) if
> you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner,
> how thick is
> it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
> slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame
> bolts out it you
> ever want to take the bed off?

like anything, preparation is everything. see
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ccr-biz.com/scorpioncoatings/
for a site saying what it is.

its available with any texture from smooth to VERY rough. it does NOT get
slick when wet.. it forms to the metal... it doesnt get brittle in cold
weather, nor does it get soft when hot..

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.inlink.com/~cpatrick/almost.htm
is my page showing the prepwork on my jeep body. they use actual ground
tires to give texture and durability to the liner.. I had 100% load added,
which gives a very rough appearance, and also gives great protection to the
body. I also had sparkles added to the "MUD" colored liner i chose.. kinda
gives it the look of a early 80's skiboat. you can choose color, texture,
sparkles, etc etc. when my jeep is finished, im going to have the exterior
shot in "smooth" to give complete protection.

if you spray over the mounting bolts they will be a bitch to get out.. BUT
if you back them out about 1/3 of the way first, then when the liner is dry
tighten them.. you wont have problems...

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:45:47 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Hey Ross,
I've got a bridge for sale, you interested? Did you know the word gullible
is not in the dictionary? All joking aside, Rhino and Line-X are the top
two liners. The Line-x is supposed to be a somewhat smoother/less fricative
surface than the Rhino, both have great reputations. When comparing the
two, most people have chosen the Line-X. For me it wasn't an option, since
Rhino was the only locally available liner. Rhino is a good product, but
look into Line-X if its around. You can also by some paint on stuff in cans
from auto-places, if you're looking to save money. JC Whitney sells 2
varieties I believe. The canned stuff is supposed to work well, but doesn't
compare to the Rhino/Line-X type of liners. Good luck.




>
>Rhino kicks all the others ass, i can say this because just after i had
mine
>done i had a long conversation with the dealer that does the Rhino here in
>two. We were discussing the differences between all the ones avalible at
this
>time. All had some sort of flaw like pop out, melt,stick to stuff, that
would
>later you would have to come back and redo or was dangerous, like one if
you
>backed a boat in the water and water got to bed level the back of the truck
>would FLOAT! Thats right FLOAT, not to safe in my book. I looked into it
>thoroughly before doing it and Rhino has by far the best. I can say this
>after haveing 2 trucks with plastic liners.
>
>Ross S.
>99 F250SD/PSD/SC/4x4


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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:07:28 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

> Hey Ross,

> All joking aside, Rhino and Line-X
> are the top
> two liners.

thats top SELLING. in comparison tests scorpion lasts longer through a
wider variety of conditions. since its newer and doesnt have the dealer
base of rhino YET, it does not sell in as much quantity. saying that best
selling = best quality is like saying that the ford escort was the best car
in the 80's since it outsold ALL other cars during that decade.

> For me it wasn't an option, since
> Rhino was the only locally available liner. Rhino is a good
> product,

this is true... in comparison however there are several "better" products.


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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:23:38 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?

I would like to know too. There was a real L.L. Bean (outdoors man and hunter).
But
outside the clothing stores and mail order catalogs, what's Eddie B's claim to
fame?

Charles.

Keith Veren wrote:

> I think I asked another group, but maybe this is a repeat question to this
> group, if so I appologise, anyway, here goes:
>
> "Who the heck is Eddie Bauer, and what did he do to have his name plastered
> all over top-end Fords?"
>
> Keith
>
> >Damon Legare wrote:
> >
> >> My question is..Why an EB over XLT with the same options. Im not sold on
> >> leather seats but it looks nice. A pain in the summer heat!! Is the
> overhead
> >> console, MACH radio, and the EB trim worth the extra cost? I would more
> than
> >> likely paint the trim at some point... I wish you could get the MACH
> radio
> >> in the XLT!!!!
> >
> >In my spreadsheet comparison, here is the list of EB items I have. It is
> up to
> >the individual to determine their worth. Between a loaded XLT and an EB
> with
> >the same options, I'm inclined to go with the EB, even figuring the cost of
> >painting the trim ($500 or so is what I remember Mike Smith paying). I
> have the
> >invoice cost difference at $598.
> >
> >Extras in EB
> >--------------------------------
> >EB Trim w/Wheel Well Moldings
> >Trip Computer(compass/temperature/mpg/time/etc)
> >Power Flip-out Rear Windows
> >MACH Stereo System
> >Optional Heated Seats
> >Leather Seats that are Different than the XLT Leather (better???)
> >Automatic Climate Control
> >Power Passenger Seat
> >Auto-Dimming Headlights
> >Chrome Wheels (I think????)
> >
> >*****HOWEVER, in light of the recent discustion regarding the EB trim. I
> will
> >be happy to wait for the 2000 Expy to be announced and what the new Limited
> >Expedition has to offer (since the EB trim is reportedly being dropped ;-).
> I
> >suspect a similiar comparison will exist.
> >
> >Good Luck!
> >
> >PS. How do you like dealing with http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.invoiceorless.com/ ??
>
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:15:08 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?

Eddie Bauer is yet another Boutique outdoor clothes place. I remember first
hearing about it, just prior to Ford branding their high end trucks with it.
became somewhat well known in the mid 80's. (1983)
Claims to have been around since 1920.

Some of the first trucks were offered with matching "luggage".
Boggles the mind.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eddiebauer.com/home/home.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eddiebauer.com/about/frame_companyoverview.asp

Charles Abraham wrote:

> I would like to know too. There was a real L.L. Bean (outdoors man and hunter).
> But
> outside the clothing stores and mail order catalogs, what's Eddie B's claim to
> fame?
>
> Charles.
>
> Keith Veren wrote:
>
> > I think I asked another group, but maybe this is a repeat question to this
> > group, if so I appologise, anyway, here goes:
> >
> > "Who the heck is Eddie Bauer, and what did he do to have his name plastered
> > all over top-end Fords?"
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > >Damon Legare wrote:
> > >
> > >> My question is..Why an EB over XLT with the same options. Im not sold on
> > >> leather seats but it looks nice. A pain in the summer heat!! Is the
> > overhead
> > >> console, MACH radio, and the EB trim worth the extra cost? I would more
> > than
> > >> likely paint the trim at some point... I wish you could get the MACH
> > radio
> > >> in the XLT!!!!
> > >
> > >In my spreadsheet comparison, here is the list of EB items I have. It is
> > up to
> > >the individual to determine their worth. Between a loaded XLT and an EB
> > with
> > >the same options, I'm inclined to go with the EB, even figuring the cost of
> > >painting the trim ($500 or so is what I remember Mike Smith paying). I
> > have the
> > >invoice cost difference at $598.
> > >
> > >Extras in EB
> > >--------------------------------
> > >EB Trim w/Wheel Well Moldings
> > >Trip Computer(compass/temperature/mpg/time/etc)
> > >Power Flip-out Rear Windows
> > >MACH Stereo System
> > >Optional Heated Seats
> > >Leather Seats that are Different than the XLT Leather (better???)
> > >Automatic Climate Control
> > >Power Passenger Seat
> > >Auto-Dimming Headlights
> > >Chrome Wheels (I think????)
> > >
> > >*****HOWEVER, in light of the recent discustion regarding the EB trim. I
> > will
> > >be happy to wait for the 2000 Expy to be announced and what the new Limited
> > >Expedition has to offer (since the EB trim is reportedly being dropped ;-).
> > I
> > >suspect a similiar comparison will exist.
> > >
> > >Good Luck!
> > >
> > >PS. How do you like dealing with http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.invoiceorless.com/ ??
> >
> > >
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:24:17 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

In a message dated 99-03-05 10:51:28 EST, you write:

sure whats the price .02? lol! I have RHINO liner in grey it matches top
side rails nicely FYI.

RS



Date:99-03-05 10:51:28 EST
From:schreib webspan.net (Todd E.)
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Hey Ross,
I've got a bridge for sale, you interested? Did you know the word gullible
is not in the dictionary? All joking aside, Rhino and Line-X are the top
two liners. The Line-x is supposed to be a somewhat smoother/less fricative
surface than the Rhino, both have great reputations. When comparing the
two, most people have chosen the Line-X. For me it wasn't an option, since
Rhino was the only locally available liner. Rhino is a good product, but
look into Line-X if its around. You can also by some paint on stuff in cans
from auto-places, if you're looking to save money. JC Whitney sells 2
varieties I believe. The canned stuff is supposed to work well, but doesn't
compare to the Rhino/Line-X type of liners. Good luck.




>
>Rhino kicks all the others ass, i can say this because just after i had
mine
>done i had a long conversation with the dealer that does the Rhino here in
>two. We were discussing the differences between all the ones avalible at
this
>time. All had some sort of flaw like pop out, melt,stick to stuff, that
would
>later you would have to come back and redo or was dangerous, like one if
you
>backed a boat in the water and water got to bed level the back of the truck
>would FLOAT! Thats right FLOAT, not to safe in my book. I looked into it
>thoroughly before doing it and Rhino has by far the best. I can say this
>after haveing 2 trucks with plastic liners.
>
>Ross S.
>99 F250SD/PSD/SC/4x4


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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:30:21 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? - bit long.

Charles Abraham wrote:

> Yesterday, there was an allusion here to a possible compromise in performance on
> the CAT-less PSDs, for Ford to pull them off. Any thoughts?

Here's the text I read. It's unclear if there is a performance impact, but the
doubt is cast.. I'd post the URL, but can't seem to locate. it. It was originally
here:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

Keep in mind, this is Gale Banks talking about his products. So there is
some bias. I've included the section on the 99 SD PSD

- ---cut here ---------------
1999 and 1999 Power Strokes It may be informative to point out some of
the differences between the 1994-97 Power Strokes and the 1999 and later.
The more obvious items: intercooled (late)/ non-intercooled (early); wastegated
(late)/ non-wastegated (early); horsepower-torque ratings per Ford's literature
of 235 hp 2700, 500 lb-ft 1600 (late)/ 215 hp 3000, 425 lb-ft 2000
(early). Some not so obvious changes: smaller turbine wheel (late); quieter
injectors (late); more OBDII features in the computer (late).

There are some notable differences between the '99 and the '99 Power
Strokes as well. The most obvious is that the '99 does not have a
catalytic converter. Ford has apparently done enough engine re-calibration
that the emissions requirements can be met without the device. Time will tell
whether this is a power advantage or disadvantage. The upside is that the
engine will have less backpressure to deal with and no potential for a plugged
catalyst. But the downside may be that the injection timing has been modified
to the point of reduced performance and/or fuel economy. This seems to be a
large concern with the new ISB 24-valve Cummins engine, which is also being
produced without a catalyst.

Another difference is in the air-filter housing configuration. The '99 draws its
air supply from the left-side fender area, while the '99 draws air from the
left side of the grille, much like the V-10 Triton. This change may have been
made to reduce noise, or possibly for better protection from water ingestion.
These locations are both different from the early Power Strokes, which draw
air from a gap between the grille and the hood. Incidentally, the air-filter
elements
for the '99 and the '99 - although they look very similar - are different and are
not interchangeable. In fact, the '99 filter element has a caution printed on it
that says, "Warning: Install on Ford Trucks built after 12/7/98".

Another change is in the compressor wheel of the turbo. The '99 has been
modified to make the engine quieter. Once again, time will tell whether this is
good for performance or not.

Ultimately, four levels of performance upgrades are planned for 1999-99
Power Strokes: Git-Kit, Stinger, Stinger-Plus and PowerPack. Git-Kit will
remove the stock muffler and tailpipe and replace it with a Banks Dynaflow
muffler and Monster tailpipe. Unlike the early Power Strokes, we found that
the factory muffler was somewhat restrictive on the '99s. So the Git-Kit removes
the worst airflow restriction on the exhaust side and the Banks OttoMind provides
a proper fuel calibration to exactly match the newfound airflow. The Stinger will
add a 3-inch stainless turbine outlet pipe, Banks Ram-Air filter and DynaFact
pyrometer and boost gauges. Look for Git-Kit and Stinger to be available
sometime in March. Preliminary testing shows Stinger will provide a solid
horsepower and torque gain at the wheels, with safe EGT and emissions.

Stinger-Plus will add a Quick-Turbo turbine housing upgrade and TwinRam
intake plumbing. The turbine housing will help to reduce excessive turbine
inlet pressure, and the TwinRam intake will improve distribution side-to-side in
the engine. We found the stock set-up forces more air into one side of the
engine. The TwinRam equalizes boost pressure to both banks, and we flow
better than stock.

PowerPack will replace the factory intercooler with a Banks Techni-Cooler.
Preliminary flow testing shows improvements of 30 percent over the factory
intercooler. Look for Stinger-Plus and PowerPack availability around June '99.

Preliminary test results show rear-wheel peak horsepower and torque on a
stock vehicle to be about 220 hp 2700 and 463 lb-ft 2000. I also find
it interesting that Navistar's engine tag on the rocker cover of the engine rates
the flywheel horsepower at 250 2700.

Currently, the TransCommand is available for the 4R100 transmission in the
1999 and later vehicles. In addition to the functions in the TransCommand for
the Ford E4OD, this model shortens torque converter lock time after each shift,
proportionate to load.


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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:38:44 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????

I' can't tell any difference in this one and they haven't come out with a
different power rating so it must be the same. (when they changed the
exhaust on the Taurus 24V engine this year they sent out new specs that
reflected a loss in power so I don't think the SD has changed).

Nathan Bernard

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From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????


>Yesterday, there was an allusion here to a possible compromise in
performance on
>
>the CAT-less PSDs, for Ford to pull them off. Any thoughts?
>
>Charles


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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:41:11 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?

According to my vin# my 1999 SD, 350, CC. PSD, 4X4, 6SP, XLT, LB, was =
assembled Jan 25, 99 with expected arrival Feb. 8-15. Have not seen it =
yet and my dealer says it is now off his activity list. It may be off =
his activity list, but certainly is not off mine! How can a person track =
down where this truck may be sitting? If someone can help I would sure =
be grateful.
Also can remote keyless entry be added if a truck is equiped with just =
power locks?=20
Dan Brotzman - WI

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:51:58 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work

How does the Ford 150 4x4 4WD work? I've look at a couple of trucks, they
have the transfer case level on the floor. But there are no hubs. I've
asked a couple of mechanics, but never really got an answer that I was sure of.

Also can I install manual locking hubs? The one mechanic said there were
no "hubs" so to speak.

Thanks.

Julian
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:54:04 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?

Not sure on the first question, but I have seen remote keyless entry kits
in Crutchfield.

- -Julian

At 13:41 03/05/99 -0600, you wrote:
>According to my vin# my 1999 SD, 350, CC. PSD, 4X4, 6SP, XLT, LB, was
>assembled Jan 25, 99 with expected arrival Feb. 8-15. Have not seen it yet
>and my dealer says it is now off his activity list. It may be off his
>activity list, but certainly is not off mine! How can a person track down
>where this truck may be sitting? If someone can help I would sure be grateful.
>Also can remote keyless entry be added if a truck is equiped with just power
>locks?
>Dan Brotzman - WI
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:18:34 -0600
From: Randy Robb
Subject: FTE 97up - Gears

Gary,
Depends on what size tires you have! If you have 15" tires go with the
3.73 (it's equivalent to a 4.10 with 16" tires). If you have 16"
tires I'd go with a 4.10 . Reason being you have a smaller engine
(4.2L). This will put the engine RPMs around 2800 in forth gear and
2000 in fifth at 60 mph. You'll want to keep the RPMs above 2000 or the
engine will be lugging.

Been there, has a Suburban with the 5.7L, 3.08 gears, 15" tires.
Explains why it got 14 mpg. Once a started towing a 6000# trailer, I
couldn't tow faster then 55-60 mph in drive (3rd auto). Put in a 3.73
and then 60 mph was no problem. Mileage towing was 9-10 mph.

If you having already, look at a catback exhaust system and an improved
air intake (K&N filter minimally).

Hope this helps,
Randy


Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:38:32 -0600
From: Gary Miller
Subject: FTE 97up - Gears

I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem

is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer
that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to
add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb).
Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the

gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know

what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has
anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to
use? Thanks, Gary Miller

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:50:53 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Gears and towing

rim diameter has nothing to do with it. its overall diameter of your tires.
I have a '98 f150 with 4.2 6 banger, and the
factory 17" rims on 275/60r17 tires. i ordered the 3.55 gear ratio with the
5 speed manual. it does every bit of 99MPh where the factory cut out is..
will tow my boat (at 80 mph.. stupid i know..) which weighs 1700# wet, and
tows my jeep on a trailer (about 5500# loaded) easily at 60-65mph... this
easter i will be pulling it from st. louis to Moab Ut. a straight shot down
hwy 70 across colorado. i dunno how it will do at altitude through the
mountains with that load... but will let everyone know... it towed fine in
the ozark area (only 3500ft altitude...)....pulled strong up missouri hills
to 70+ mph...




> Gary,
> Depends on what size tires you have! If you have 15" tires
> go with the
> 3.73 (it's equivalent to a 4.10 with 16" tires). If you have 16"
> tires I'd go with a 4.10 . Reason being you have a smaller engine
> (4.2L). This will put the engine RPMs around 2800 in forth gear and
> 2000 in fifth at 60 mph. You'll want to keep the RPMs above
> 2000 or the
> engine will be lugging.
>
> Been there, has a Suburban with the 5.7L, 3.08 gears, 15" tires.
> Explains why it got 14 mpg. Once a started towing a 6000# trailer, I
> couldn't tow faster then 55-60 mph in drive (3rd auto). Put in a 3.73
> and then 60 mph was no problem. Mileage towing was 9-10 mph.
>
> If you having already, look at a catback exhaust system and
> an improved
> air intake (K&N filter minimally).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Randy
>
>
> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:38:32 -0600
> From: Gary Miller
> Subject: FTE 97up - Gears
>
> I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it.
> My problem
>
> is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull
> the trailer
> that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I
> have had to
> add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb).
> Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of
> changing the
>
> gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I
> do not know
>
> what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has
> anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to
> use? Thanks, Gary Miller

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:48:13 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?

Dan,

I learned the hard way that once it gets to the railroad "mixing yard", all
computer tracking ends. The next word I heard, about two weeks later, was
from my dealer who told me my new truck was sold to someone else.

But Ford Customer Care (800-392-3673), should be able to assist you.

When I called them they gave me what turned out to be the box car serial no. from
my VIN number. I posted here what was to me at the time a "mystery code", and
someone on this list knew what it was and tracked it to the Chicago mixing yard,
for
me. (I have since applied for and gotten my own logon to the railroad computer).

If Ford can give you another railroad box car number I'd be happy to try and track
it
for you. (Keep in mind that the box car is a moving target, and it may have
delivered
your truck to its rightful destination and is now heading somewhere else with a new

cargo.)

Good Luck,

Charles.








>
> >assembled Jan 25, 99 with expected arrival Feb. 8-15.

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:21:22 -0500
From: jclem
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150

Jon:

I have a 98 F150 SC 2wd 4.6l w/3.55 locking rear end. I tow a 25'
travel trailer that has a wet weight of around 5,000lbs. I bought a
Hidden Hitch class III in Virginia for $80.00 and installed it myself.
I didn't have to drill anything and first truck I put a hitch on that I
didn't even have to drop the spare tire.

I have a trick I use from when I installed hitches in high school. I
use four heavy tie wraps when installing by myself. What I do is put
the hitch on the ground and lift one side up to the bolt holes (there
are 4 per side). I put a tie wrap in the front and rear bolt holes on
one side and snug it up. Then lift the other side and put two tie wraps
in and lift the hitch up and snug them. Then I still have two bolt
holes on each side and put those in. After they are in, I cut the tie
wraps and put in the other four.

Hope I didn't bore everybody.... just a trick I use. Oh.... don't
forget the tranny cooler if you don't already have one.



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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:40:19 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150

> I have a trick I use from when I installed hitches in high school. I
> use four heavy tie wraps when installing by myself. What I do is put
> the hitch on the ground and lift one side up to the bolt holes (there
> are 4 per side). I put a tie wrap in the front and rear bolt holes on
> one side and snug it up. Then lift the other side and put
> two tie wraps
> in and lift the hitch up and snug them. Then I still have two bolt
> holes on each side and put those in. After they are in, I cut the tie
> wraps and put in the other four.

good trick... i use a combination of laying on my back, and trying to
support the
hitch on my knees and one hand, while with the other one hand threading one
bolt, then trying to
grab the impact wrench (usually about 6" outta reach) and snugging it down.
once one bolt is
in the rest are easy.... not quite as elegant as your wiretie idea, but it
works!!!

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:45:05 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - 255/85/16's?

Hi all,

Think these would look geeky on a 99 SD
SC 4X4 with 2" leveling kit??
They are (suppose to be) 33.33 in diameter
but only 7.93 inch tread width.
I have 265's on it now, with stock rims (7")
I'd rather have 295's but the price of new
8" wheels would kill me.

Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:13:39 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 SD Delivery Tracking?

>
> Not sure on the first question, but I have seen remote keyless entry kits
> in Crutchfield.
>
> -Julian

I think most midrange to high-end burglar alarm systems offer remote
activated unlocking/locking.

PS: Anyone heard of a car alarm (called the Dragon, IIRC) which blows
white smoke (same stuff as a club's fog machine) into the passenger
compartment when the alarm goes off?
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:51:38 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work

JJ Thomas wrote:
>
> How does the Ford 150 4x4 4WD work? I've look at a couple of trucks, they
> have the transfer case level on the floor. But there are no hubs. I've
> asked a couple of mechanics, but never really got an answer that I was sure of.
>
> Also can I install manual locking hubs? The one mechanic said there were
> no "hubs" so to speak.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Julian


Julian,


Do you know how a front wheel drive car works. The hubs
are splined to the half shafts so they are permanently
connected. One of the half shafts is permanently connected
to the differential and the other has a sliding connector
which is engaged via a vacuum motor / solenoid when 4x4 is
activated.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:24:28 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work

1997 and newer F-150 are what we in the Lock Out Hub business call Center
Disconnect or Live Spindle. 1995+ Explorers, 1998+ Rangers, 1988+ Chevrolet
PU's, 1994+ Dodge PU's, Jeep Wranglers, Jeep Cherokee's... have the same
type of system. These vehicles have a two piece axle with a coupling on one
side of the differential (usually on the passenger side axle tube) that
engages and disengages one of the axle shafts. When disengaged this system
prevents axle wind up and steering bind up, the bad part is that since one
axle shaft is always turning, so is the differential gears. The wheel ends
of these vehicles are much like a front wheel drive car. The wheel ends do
not have provisions for a lock out hub assy. When you put your F-150 in 4wd
the the transfer case engages, at the same time the axle coupling locks up,
thats how the system works. Putting lock out hubs on wheel ends like these
requires changing axle shafts, spindles and wheel hubs, a very expensive
conversion.

Mattb

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From: JJ Thomas
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:58 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work


>How does the Ford 150 4x4 4WD work? I've look at a couple of trucks, they
>have the transfer case level on the floor. But there are no hubs. I've
>asked a couple of mechanics, but never really got an answer that I was sure
of.
>
>Also can I install manual locking hubs? The one mechanic said there were
>no "hubs" so to speak.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Julian
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:19:58 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - How Does Ford 150 4x4 4WD Work

Are both shafts connected to the differential by the sliding connector, or
just one? I recall that in the Toyota's only one shaft is connect via a
sliding connector. The other shaft is permanently connected. Thus
increasing the wear on the spider gears in the differential. That would
also make the option of installing a locker unavailable.

Thanks

Julian

At 20:51 03/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>JJ Thomas wrote:
>>
>> How does the Ford 150 4x4 4WD work? I've look at a couple of trucks, they
>> have the transfer case level on the floor. But there are no hubs. I've
>> asked a couple of mechanics, but never really got an answer that I was
>> sure of.
>>
>> Also can I install manual locking hubs? The one mechanic said there were
>> no "hubs" so to speak.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Julian
>
>
>Julian,
>
>
> Do you know how a front wheel drive car works. The hubs
>are splined to the half shafts so they are permanently
>connected. One of the half shafts is permanently connected
>to the differential and the other has a sliding connector
>which is engaged via a vacuum motor / solenoid when 4x4 is
>activated.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:32:58 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 255/85/16's?

I've got BFG 285/75R 16 All Terrains on my 99 SD SC LB V-10. They are 32.8
and still look rather small for the truck (not lifted at all, no clearance
problems). There is another SD in my neighborhood that has Wildcountry
305/75R 16's on stock premium wheels, I do believe these wheels are also 7"
wide. The truck looks much better with the wider tires but the rules say you
need an 8" to 9" wheel. I wish I would have gone for the 295's that BFG
makes.

Mattb
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From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 3:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 255/85/16's?


>
>Hi all,
>
>Think these would look geeky on a 99 SD
>SC 4X4 with 2" leveling kit??
>They are (suppose to be) 33.33 in diameter
>but only 7.93 inch tread width.
>I have 265's on it now, with stock rims (7")
>I'd rather have 295's but the price of new
>8" wheels would kill me.
>
>Thanks
>Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:28:14 EST
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - New to list

Hi everybody!!
Due to the untimely death of my '92 f-150 4x4 last week. (as a result of a
meeting with a telephone pole) I am forced to find myself a new vehicle.
I'm setting my sights on a '97 f-150 2wd supercab. Does the V-6 have adequate
power for this type of truck? Any suggestions/comments an reliability, what to
look/watch out for, etc?

thanks in advance
Tom Maciejewski
Westford, MA
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:39:50 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New to list

Hi Tom,

My company purchased a '98 F-150 4.6L auto 3.55 gears last year. We got the
V8 at my insistence, because of my belief that the V6 would be inadequate, and
the 4.6L, just barely adequate. Experience with this truck shows that I was
wrong. The 4.6 w/3.55 gears is a little hot rod! I now believe that the V6
would have been fine, with a $695 lower tab as well.
See an earlier post for someone else's experience towing up to a 5,000 pound
trailer with a V6 and 3.08 gears, pretty impressive to me that a V6 is capable
of so much.
As far as things to look out for, I know of none, our company truck has been
flawless for some 15,000 miles now.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 3/5/99 6:31:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, TMac79 aol.com
writes:

> Due to the untimely death of my '92 f-150 4x4 last week. (as a result of a
> meeting with a telephone pole) I am forced to find myself a new vehicle.
> I'm setting my sights on a '97 f-150 2wd supercab. Does the V-6 have
> adequate
> power for this type of truck? Any suggestions/comments an reliability, what
> to
> look/watch out for, etc?
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:28:02 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Who makes GOOD wheels?

Well, looks like I'm going to have to buy new
wheels in order to go with bigger tires.
So....Who makes a good quality wheel, besides
WELD, (too expensive and don't like designs)
American Racing? American Eagle Alloys? etc.

Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
wolf enter.net
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:39:35 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New to list

It all depends on the use of the truck. If you are going to tow anything with
it, get the 5.4 ltr. V8. If not go with the 6 banger. Also, you must look at
the resale of the truck, the V8 models will have a higher resale than the 6.
I sold my old 4.6ltr for a superduty to handle my towing needs.

John Patterson
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:39:08 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

Hi all,

Quick question, again, since I'm going to
be getting new wheels and tires soon, what
is a fair price to ask for my stock rims (XLT)
with the 265/75/16 FireStone AT tires?
They have approx. 6000 miles on them.

Thanks again,
Vaughn
99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:49:44 -0800
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables

Ok, here's a weird one. I recently purchased a 1998 F150, 2wd, shortbed,
std. cab. Being the "detail-oriented" person I am, I noticed that the
right (passenger) side tailgate support cable was much looser than the
left side when the tailgate was down. The left side was tight, but the
right side was pretty loose. In fact, only when I sat my 170lb. body on
the tailgate did the right side get tight.

I took it to the dealer who ordered new cables for me, but after
installing the new ones, the right side was exactly the same--still
loose. We checked out several other 97+ vehicles on the lot, and most of
them were loose on the right side too! No one has any idea why one side
would be loose and one side tight. Any ideas? 2 local dealers and Ford
customer service is stumped!!

Thank you,
Jon

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:24:23 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Who is EB?

Keith asked "Who the heck is Eddie Bauer, and what did he do to have his
name plastered all over top-end Fords?"

Keith,
From loosely gathered info, Eddie Bauer was (is) a high priced
outfitter for adventure/hunting who parlayed his fame into a series of high
priced outdoor oriented clothing, bags, and accessories, ala L.L. Bean.
Remember when Ford had the designer series of luxury cars, like a "Bill
Blass" series Lincoln Mark 4(or 5)? They had a hard time using letters to
signify top of the line, like the XLT originally meant. Another general
example was that an "S" started out signifying Sport but ended up truly
signifying Stripped. Defeated themselves with a marketing ploy of putting
the previous top of the line designation letters on lower priced and base
models. And all the catchy words are being used up. Hence the name game.
There are Eddie Bauer stores in many malls and I live close to the one at
the outlet mall in Grove City PA on I-79 halfway between Erie & Pittsburgh.
Apparently EB, inc.. upped the ante for the name and the future top of the
line will be "Limited". The first Eddie Bauer Explorers came with a very
nice complete set of 3 or 4 pc luggage. On my 98 Expy, they gave us a super
fancy gym bag supposedly valued at $150. Better than a sharp stick in the
eye, I guess! I also received an EB catalog and a 20% EB discount coupon
which I used to buy a set of 3 tan & black duffels that were already on sale
to match my EB Expedition.
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:00:50 -0700
From: mjsieler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tailgate support cables

Jon:
How about this for an explanation:
Simple geometry explains that a plane or surface face is established by
three points. (Two points make a line, the third a plane.) Think of a three
legged stool. It is always flat on the floor, never rocks from leg to leg.
Using Jon's tailgate as an example, two hinge points and one cable are
creating a plane.

With a four legged stool, if each leg is not perfectly balanced relative to
the sitting surface or plane the stool will rock from leg to leg. With Jon's
tailgate, the other cable is the fourth point which is out of plane and
therefore loose. Because it is difficult in any manufacturing environment to
get the tailgate mounting points perfectly flat one of the cables will
always be loose. Unless, of course, the hinge points are excessively sloppy.
When under a load the tailgate is kept from excessive bending by the
remaining cable which is now tight. Just like a four legged stool with
enough flex in the joints to not rock when someone sits on it.

My two cents worth. Hope that helps.
- --
MjS

Jon Berman wrote:

> Ok, here's a weird one. I recently purchased a 1998 F150, 2wd, shortbed,
> std. cab. Being the "detail-oriented" person I am, I noticed that the
> right (passenger) side tailgate support cable was much looser than the
> left side when the tailgate was down. The left side was tight, but the
> right side was pretty loose. In fact, only when I sat my 170lb. body on
> the tailgate did the right side get tight.
>
> I took it to the dealer who ordered new cables for me, but after
> installing the new ones, the right side was exactly the same--still
> loose. We checked out several other 97+ vehicles on the lot, and most of
> them were loose on the right side too! No one has any idea why one side
> would be loose and one side tight. Any ideas? 2 local dealers and Ford
> customer service is stumped!!
>
> Thank you,
> Jon
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:30:55 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

If you want to do-it-your-self, J.C. Whitney has two different packages.
One, in black or blue at 16.99 /qt., requires 4 quarts for full size beds.
The other, in gray, brown, or black at 99.95, comes in a kit which includes
brush, mixer, sandpaper. Like any other "paint", it's the prep that's
crucial. I'd use a serious wax stripper before roughing up the surface. Just
saw these in the catalog, haven't tried them.
Mike

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:33:17 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

I've seen several posts about spray on bedliner. Question
is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
in then?? I remember when aluminum wheels first came on new
cars. Some people went out and bought steel wheels then
stored the new aluminum ones in the garage till it was time
to sell the car. Don't make sense to me, what is it I don't
seem to understand?? I'm not joking, I don't understand
it. Bill

Mike McNany wrote:
>
> If you want to do-it-your-self, J.C. Whitney has two different packages.
> One, in black or blue at 16.99 /qt., requires 4 quarts for full size beds.
> The other, in gray, brown, or black at 99.95, comes in a kit which includes
> brush, mixer, sandpaper. Like any other "paint", it's the prep that's
> crucial. I'd use a serious wax stripper before roughing up the surface. Just
> saw these in the catalog, haven't tried them.
> Mike
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:52:46 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

Vaughn, what size tire are you thinking of going too?
I have looked at alot of tires!
There are several tires out there that will fit your rims!
All the way up to 36in ! Iam thinking about going to a 34in with my rims!
I do belive you will have to raise the front to go taller than a 34in?
Gene

Vaughn (VDB) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Quick question, again, since I'm going to
> be getting new wheels and tires soon, what
> is a fair price to ask for my stock rims (XLT)
> with the 265/75/16 FireStone AT tires?
> They have approx. 6000 miles on them.
>
> Thanks again,
> Vaughn
> 99 F250 SD sc sb XLT 4X4 5.4
>
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:30:16 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

Bill, I understand I dont like spray on bed liners!
They make no sence to me?
Gene

Bill wrote:

> I've seen several posts about spray on bedliner. Question
> is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
> peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
> sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
> covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
> get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
> in then?? I remember when aluminum wheels first came on new
> cars. Some people went out and bought steel wheels then
> stored the new aluminum ones in the garage till it was time
> to sell the car. Don't make sense to me, what is it I don't
> seem to understand?? I'm not joking, I don't understand
> it. Bill
>
> Mike McNany wrote:
> >
> > If you want to do-it-your-self, J.C. Whitney has two different packages.
> > One, in black or blue at 16.99 /qt., requires 4 quarts for full size beds.
> > The other, in gray, brown, or black at 99.95, comes in a kit which includes
> > brush, mixer, sandpaper. Like any other "paint", it's the prep that's
> > crucial. I'd use a serious wax stripper before roughing up the surface. Just
> > saw these in the catalog, haven't tried them.
> > Mike
> >
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:33:16 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Spray on bedliners

In a message dated 3/6/99 3:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kg8aw ismi.net
writes:


well i guess you don't care about resale value or what you truck looks like in
the mean time. I like to have a truck that looks good all the time, i use it
to haul stuff all the time too. I guess its just a matter of personal
preference, some like to protect their vehicles and not dent and scratch them
like some tile and construction workers i have seen do.

RS

Date:3/6/99 3:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:kg8aw ismi.net (Bill)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to:97up-list ford-trucks.com
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com

I've seen several posts about spray on bedliner. Question
is: When the spray on liner becomes damaged from use do you
peel the spray in liner out or have to respayed?? Is this
sort of like people that buy a new car and install seat
covers?? If so why not use the original bed and when you
get ready to sell it, have it repainted or a liner sprayed
in then?? I remember when aluminum wheels first came on new
cars. Some people went out and bought steel wheels then
stored the new aluminum ones in the garage till it was time
to sell the car. Don't make sense to me, what is it I don't
seem to understand?? I'm not joking, I don't understand
it. Bill

Mike McNany wrote:
>
> If you want to do-it-your-self, J.C. Whitney has two different
packages.
> One, in black or blue at 16.99 /qt., requires 4 quarts for full size beds.
> The other, in gray, brown, or black at 99.95, comes in a kit which includes
> brush, mixer, sandpaper. Like any other "paint", it's the prep that's
> crucial. I'd use a serious wax stripper before roughing up the surface.
Just
> saw these in the catalog, haven't tried them.
> Mike
>
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:44:51 -0500
From: RAY WRIGHT
Subject: Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners

I have a 1999 f-350 xlt 4x4 psd,I had a ultimate liner installed,love
it,
cost was 400.00 plus tax,they had the truck 1 day.Only 1 problem,after
we had it installed the tailgate mechanism inside the gate did'nt work,
no fault of the guy who installed the liner,but when the liner is
applied it is put on the inside of the tailgate.Therefore you cant
access the inside of the tailgate to repair it.The liner has to be
removed,at 38.00 per hour,could take 1-3 hrs.have'nt talked to the
dealer,i am hoping they will be able to help me out with this problem.
Installer says this is very unusual,but it does happen.You might want to
think of having the plate taken off the inside of the tailgate,before
installing the liner.The installer said only one guy has asked for this,
and he said it did'nt look so good,hopefully you will never have this
problem,but it can happen.
Ray Wright
Windsor CT.
e-mail:tworites home.com
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:46:39 -0800
From: "John E. Nichols"
Subject: FTE 97up - F350 PSD Noise

Gene

The noise that my truck makes is a binding noise that sounds just like a
power steering
pump going up or run without fluid. I have removed the fan and clutch
but the noise
continues. It is loud and sometimes goes away but cannot be heard
outside because
of diesel clatter. It doesnot make the noise when outside temperatures
are extreme,
- -20 or +80, it doesnot sound like a rattleing noise or heat shield.

John

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:08:48 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What should I ask??

Hi Gene,

I want to go with BFG AT 295/75/16.
I get some people who say they will work on
the 7" rim, and others who say you should
not go bigger than 265/75/16 on 7" rims.
I'd rather NOT have to buy new rims, but
I also don't want to have wear and/or handling
problems with too much tire for the rim.
I'm pretty sure I could get away with 285's
on a 7" rim...but maybe not 295's.....

What have you've found out????

Thanks
Vaughn




Vaughn, what size tire are you thinking of going too?
I have looked at alot of tires!
There are several tires out there that will fit your rims!
All the way up to 36in ! Iam thinking about going to a 34in with
my rims! I do belive you will have to raise the front to go
taller than a 34in? Gene

Vaughn (VDB) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Quick question, again, since I'm going to
> be getting new wheels and tires soon,
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:45:15 -0500
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: trip computer

I was wondering if anyone else is finding that their computer is running
around 2 mpg high. My 99 F-250 SD PSD has 4500 miles and is giving me
agout 16.6 mpg, but the computer is reading 18.5 to 19.1 avg.

Thank you for any responses,
Rick Kane
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:59:56 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Who is EB?

Thanks for the response!

Keith

PS.
I still think they should name a car after a top automobile
designer/racer/builder/aficionado, etc. instead of a clothing manufacturer


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Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 12:21 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Who is EB?


>Keith asked "Who the heck is Eddie Bauer, and what did he do to have his
>name plastered all over top-end Fords?"
>
>Keith,
> From loosely gathered info, Eddie Bauer was (is) a high priced
>outfitter for adventure/hunting who parlayed his fame into a series of high
>priced outdoor oriented clothing, bags, and accessories, ala L.L. Bean.
>Remember when Ford had the designer series of luxury cars, like a "Bill
>Blass" series Lincoln Mark 4(or 5)? They had a hard time using letters to
>signify top of the line, like the XLT originally meant. Another general
>example was that an "S" started out signifying Sport but ended up truly
>signifying Stripped. Defeated themselves with a marketing ploy of putting
>the previous top of the line designation letters on lower priced and base
>models. And all the catchy words are being used up. Hence the name game.
>There are Eddie Bauer stores in many malls and I live close to the one at
>the outlet mall in Grove City PA on I-79 halfway between Erie & Pittsburgh.
>Apparently EB, inc.. upped the ante for the name and the future top of the
>line will be "Limited". The first Eddie Bauer Explorers came with a very
>nice complete set of 3 or 4 pc luggage. On my 98 Expy, they gave us a super
>fancy gym bag supposedly valued at $150. Better than a sharp stick in the
>eye, I guess! I also received an EB catalog and a 20% EB discount coupon
>which I used to buy a set of 3 tan & black duffels that were already on
sale
>to match my EB Expedition.
>Mike
>
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