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97up-list-digest Friday, March 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 059 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers?? FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement FTE 97up - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there. FTE 97up - Tire Mileage FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. FTE 97up - Intermittent Noise in Truck RE: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator Confusion FTE 97up - Gears Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. Re: FTE 97up - Gears [none] Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. Re: FTE 97up - 961 idle option Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential FTE 97up - '99 SuperDuty F-350 4X4 Front Lift Kit FTE 97up - Changes for '00 FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00 Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00 RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks Re: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers?? RE: FTE 97up - Gears Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer? Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:38:21 -0800 From: Gordon Croft Subject: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers?? I have a '99 F250 SD XLT and was reading, with interest, the discussion a while back about the wipers being speed sensitive - the faster you drive the less "dead" time they have when they are on intermittent. Mine do not! So I took it into the local dealer here (in Canada) and they said (after about 2.5 hours working on it) that the truck does not have this feature!! Is this true? Are these things an option that I don't have or is it just that they can't figure it out??? How can I tell for sure if the truck should have this and what should I tell the dealer to do, to make it work? Thanks, Gord == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:25:05 EST From: JPatte5238 aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement Several months ago the garage door frame moved in front of my tow mirror, thus cracking the plastic. I tried to blame the damage on my wife but that didn't work, so I tried it on the kids and got the same results. I have waited in purchasing a new mirror in hopes for the "slide in" type mirrors would come available. But I don't see that happening soon, so I purchased a new one. In order to install the new mirror, I need to take the inner door panel off. So, does anybody know how to take the inner door panel off of a 1999 F250 superduty (lariat package)? The mirror has an electrical connection that goes behind the panel. Thank you in advance John Patterson == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:30:36 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there. Ford Truck Enthusiasts has reserved a block of 40 rooms at Days Inn Pigeon Forge for the F100 Supernationals, May 13 - 16. The rates for the rooms are: $34.00 + tax Sunday through Thursday $68.00 + tax Friday through Saturday This is a group rate, so be sure to mention Ford Truck Enthusiasts when reserving your room. Rooms are first come, first served, of course, and the last day to reserve at the group rate is April 15. To make your reservation, call: 1-800-645-3079 We've also reserved tables for at least 40 people at Alan Jackson's Show Car Cafe on Saturday at 9:00 AM for breakfast. Total cost for the Breakfast Buffet is $8.00 per person. This price includes tax and gratuity. To reserve your spot, email Don Neighbors at: grover ford-trucks.com by April 25 so we can give the folks at Alan Jackson's a head count. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:36:11 EST From: Alevinson aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - Tire Mileage What do you consider good mileage out of a set of tires on a 3/4 4x4? I have 65,000 on my stock tires and they still have some meat on them. I think that is excellent, what do you think? Alex L == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:48:20 -0800 From: Janowski Subject: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. 97 powerstoke with water in fuel light that comes on during sharp right turns only! Drained the fuel bowl and still the light comes on. Any thought to the problem? Thanks - -Dave- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:02:45 -0600 From: "Jack" Subject: FTE 97up - Intermittent Noise in Truck When I first got my F250 PSD, I was constantly annoyed by intermittent noises that seemed to be coming from various locations within and without the cab. One noise in particular was horrendous, and seemed to be coming from the left front wheel well, each time I hit a bump in the road. It caused me to stop several times on one trip to check the wheel, shocks, etc., for evidence that they were coming apart ...that's how loud it was. After several weeks of searching unsuccessfully for these noises, I had an opportunity to remove everything from the side pockets of both doors before taking the truck in for service. Imagine my surprise when all my noises disappeared!! All of the noises were caused by various items in those door pockets (sun glasses, pencils, a box of ammo, a calculator, etc)! The rattling noises were being amplified by the door pockets, and projected around the inside the cab causing all sorts of consternation to me and my passengers! Hope this helps someone! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:28:44 -0500 From: davesomers Subject: RE: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator Confusion I tried to get the second alternator. Yes the brochures show it in every PSD picture. (The May98 brochures show it as available with any PSD. The December98 brochures do have tiny little print that says its for ambulance package only.) No, you can't order it. I am working through a fleet dealer - normal dealers can't order an ambulance package: leaving off the 47z makes it unbuildable. But an ambulance prep deletes the bed. It adds the second alternator, a power distribution panel, and a rear A/C hookup. I never found out the cost, cause I want the bed. (I couldn't afford the utility body I really want) I talked to a "normal" parts dealer and he said that he could get the alternator, but not the mounting hardware, belt and cables. (Although I think the cables shouldn't be too hard to find "real close" at NAPA.) The "fleet" parts dealer says he can get them all. (I wonder if the "normal" guy just didn't want to be bothered?) And talking to a mechanic, it sounds like the alternator stayed the same, they just changed the rating from 130 to 110 because they weren't really generating that in any real world conditions. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:38:32 -0600 From: Gary Miller Subject: FTE 97up - Gears I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb). Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to use? Thanks, Gary Miller == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:41:06 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. I'd try changing the fuel filter. Nathan Bernard - -----Original Message----- From: Janowski To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 12:01 AM Subject: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. >97 powerstoke with water in fuel light that comes on during sharp right >turns only! Drained the fuel bowl and still the light comes on. Any >thought to the problem? > >Thanks >-Dave- > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 07:57:12 -0800 From: Gene Ball Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gears Go with the 3.73 gears! It will be a very noticeable change. I recently had this done on a Cobra Mustang! I went from a 3.27 to a 4.10 I think I spent $175 on the gear set and $175 for labor. I had the labor done at a local garage that is clean and prompt! Gene Gary Miller wrote: > I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem > is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer > that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to > add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb). > Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the > gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know > what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has > anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to > use? Thanks, Gary Miller > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:55:22 -0700 From: "Matus, Scott A" Subject: [none] You could do as we did with my wife's truck. She 'hates' tan interiors, and wanted grey. So we found a reputable upholster and had the cloth seats converted to leather. It was about $900.00 for the conversion. I am considering custom Sheepskin for my truck. It is always warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Scott. 1999 F150 4x4 SC - Wife's 1999 F350 4x4 CC __________________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:35:14 PST From: "Frank Spor" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day I agree Leather is the way to go, BUT I do not like being told my only color option is TAN.....My Chevy caprice has Grey Leather seats, WHY could I not Get GREY Lariat package.... Hence I ordered and recieved A grey interior XLT....Love it but I did really want the computer. OH WELL Frank == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:03:51 -0700 (MST) From: montblackburn webtv.net (mont blackburn) Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light. Sure --change the fuel filter but buy it from NAPA unless you like paying double. I never was so disgusted as when I went to change the fuel filter on our 99 PSD. It's designed badly, awkward to get to and the gasket is stupid. Ford has been makiing trucks long enough that they should have been able to do better than that. I've had an Astro, a Peterbilt and an Autocar and I could change a filter on in the dark. This truck I need lighting like a surgery room so I can be sure everything is going on right. Why didn't they put on a spin on filter? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:14:49 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 961 idle option The 961 option is now only available with the ambulance prep package. Instead their offering 96P Full function idle control ($210 retail, 178 invoice). It still isn't available with the Lariat pkg. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: davesomers To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com' Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:21 PM Subject: FTE 97up - 961 idle option >My SuperDuty dealer called today to say my order became "dirty" because they aren't offering the 961 idle control anymore. >I find this a little hard to believe, 'cause I know you need it to use the PTO, and all the thousands of ambulances out there want it too. >Has anyone heard anything on this topic? > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:31:46 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential Thanks Stephen for the informative update. I never did subscribed to the theory of "applying the emergency brake to induce the limited-slip". Not on the failures that were being reported here. That would mean that in bad conditions one must set the parking brake slightly prior to driving the truck. Charles. STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com wrote: > > > Hello Folks > > Earlier I had described a situation where the limited slip differential in my > F350 4x4 Crew Cab 5spd had failed. Basically, since the truck was brand new, > the LSD would not provide any power to both rear wheels in a slippery road > condition. One example occurred when I pulled over to let another car pass on a > snowy road. When I tried to go forward again, the truck spun the right rear > wheel and the left rear wheel was just sitting on hard snow and not turning. > > The repair provided by Ford Miramar Trucking included replacing the two > differential "clutch packs" and two "spider gears". This repair was essentially > a rebuild of the differential and they admitted that not only was it defective, > but also the broken clutch pack pieces had already destroyed the two spider > gears. They also said the differential would have had a shorter life. > > I have tested this "new" differential on a dirt hillside, and I can see a clear > improvement. First one wheel spins, then 1/2 second later, both are spinning > and the whole backend starts to move sideways. > > So, all I can say is HOORAY for this particular repair shop! > > - Stephen Witte > > P.S. I have some pictures that I haven't developed yet of the guts of the > differential before it was reassembled into the axle. If anyone wants "TIFF" > files of these pictures, I will send them as soon as I can get around to > finishing the roll of film and developing them. Just let me know. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:55:58 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential I agree Charles, I never had to apply my emergency brake to get my limited slip axles to drive both wheels, they have always worked when needed (sometimes too good, such as when I am on ice waiting for a light to change and the road is crowned and I slide a little sideways instead of going forward because both rear wheels are spinning!). Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Abraham To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Cc: ddorff nortelnetworks.com ; TheLuckes worldnet.att.net ; theluckes att.net ; STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:36 AM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential >Thanks Stephen for the informative update. I never did subscribed to the theory >of "applying the emergency brake to induce the limited-slip". Not on the failures >that were being reported here. That would mean that in bad conditions one must >set the parking brake slightly prior to driving the truck. > >Charles. > >STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com wrote: > >> >> >> Hello Folks >> >> Earlier I had described a situation where the limited slip differential in my >> F350 4x4 Crew Cab 5spd had failed. Basically, since the truck was brand new, >> the LSD would not provide any power to both rear wheels in a slippery road >> condition. One example occurred when I pulled over to let another car pass on a >> snowy road. When I tried to go forward again, the truck spun the right rear >> wheel and the left rear wheel was just sitting on hard snow and not turning. >> >> The repair provided by Ford Miramar Trucking included replacing the two >> differential "clutch packs" and two "spider gears". This repair was essentially >> a rebuild of the differential and they admitted that not only was it defective, >> but also the broken clutch pack pieces had already destroyed the two spider >> gears. They also said the differential would have had a shorter life. >> >> I have tested this "new" differential on a dirt hillside, and I can see a clear >> improvement. First one wheel spins, then 1/2 second later, both are spinning >> and the whole backend starts to move sideways. >> >> So, all I can say is HOORAY for this particular repair shop! >> >> - Stephen Witte >> >> P.S. I have some pictures that I haven't developed yet of the guts of the >> differential before it was reassembled into the axle. If anyone wants "TIFF" >> files of these pictures, I will send them as soon as I can get around to >> finishing the roll of film and developing them. Just let me know. >> >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:03:36 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SuperDuty F-350 4X4 Front Lift Kit Well, I have been driving around with my front 3.5" lift kit (replacement front springs, tracking bar and sway bar extensions and all 4 new shocks) from Tuff Country and I could not be more pleased. After I got the front-end aligned the front-end said that since I got the extra-heavy front springs (diesel version) because I snowplow, that I should drive around with the plow on over dips and bumps to "break the paint off the springs". I did and now it has softened up just a tad and the truck sits absolutely level (with or without the plow up) and the front barely drops any when I put the plow in the air! Very happy so far. I notice everyone looks at truck when I go places because it sits nice and looks quite "aggressive". Keith == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:28:38 -0800 From: "Kirk Werner" Subject: FTE 97up - Changes for '00 Anyone know what changes/improvements/additional options etc that will be offered on the Superduties for 2000 model year? Particularly regarding the V10... Thanks == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:44:10 PST From: "max gaub" Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? For those of you who have PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors? Most all of ones I have seen have them here in Calif, but mine doesn't. Not that I'm complaining, (actually glad), but just wondering why I was so lucky max ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:50:04 PST From: "max gaub" Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why not. Thanx in advance. p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city. Max ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:41:47 -0800 From: George Passidakis Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? Max, I believe the 99.5 model PSD trucks do not have a cat. converter, even in California. Ford made several changes in the mid-model year. I will be picking my F-350 PSD up on Monday(hopefully) and don't expect to see a cat. converter on it. George At 03/04/99 11:50 AM, you wrote: >For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most >all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine >doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why >not. >Thanx in advance. > >p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city. > >Max == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:46:13 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks The one trouble with cloth seats is that when you slide across them you to get out you can really build a static discharge. One way to eliminate the uncomfortable shock is to get out and then touch your elbow, instead of your hand, to the door. For some reason, your elbow is not bothered as much by the static electricity compared to your finger(s). Another way is to spray the interior with "Static-Guard" which is a product for eliminating static build-up in the clothes dryer. Even another way that some have gotten rid of static is to connect a thick braided copper wire from the A-frame (just "inside" the driver's wheel), or other frame part and let the other end just touch (and drag) on the ground, however, you may have to clamp on a little fishing weight to ensure it drags on the ground. Some moving equipment uses a rubber (metalized) drag strip to eliminate static build-up, looks like a 1-inch wide strip of steel-belted tire type of material. when I am getting little shocks, especially during the winter, I just get out and touch my forearm or elbow to the door to discharge the static. Even works when you have a coat on. Has anyone else figured out a method to reduce and/or eliminate the dreaded wintertime/dry weather static shock felt after you exit your vehicle then go to shut the door? Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Trevino, Julia R To: 'expedition intellisys.net' Cc: 'JTREVINO UH.EDU' Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:18 PM Subject: EXPEDITION: STATIC DISCHARGES Hello everybody: I got my Expedition about a year and a half ago, and ever since I've been having really bad static problems with it... It's a 1998 XLT Expedition.. I like to know if anyone else has experienced this and if so what was done to fix the problem.. I'm not talking about "once in a while static discharges", I'm talking about all the time...I'm so frustrated with this "condition" I don't know what to do... I've been to the dealear already and he didn't seem to believe me, so I asked him to step in to see if it would do it to him..Sure enough, he was on the seat for less than a minute, got out, touched the door and got shocked.. I could see he was very suprised, so he called his boss and it happened to him too.. Unfortunately, there is nothing they can do.. I was shown a list of "Message codes" of areas, that as an owner of this particular expedition, can expect to encounter. I wish I had seen this list before I bought it.. The static discharge problem is in there and they call it a "normal condition"???? It's a really bad situation when you have a family vehicle, and your family (I'm talking about my children ) do not want to get in cause they know they're going to get shocked. It is an all year round problem. I would really appreciate any comments on this. Thanks, julia jtrevino uh.edu ____________________________________________ To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo intellisys.net with the message "unsubscribe expedition" or "unsubscribe expedition-digest" Contact vic san.rr.com if you have problems List homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Xpedition.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:53:01 -0800 From: johny Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? It's reported that the newer 99 superduties with PSD's no longer have Catalytic Converters. Newer as of Jan 99. My 99 built on 6/98 has a converter. Doesn't seem to matter what state you are in. If you have a 99.5, there's was a good article on the possible performace impacts of this.There may be some detuning of the engine to get better emissions, that would remove the Cat. Converter. Unfortunately I can't find it. There may be references to it in the chat with Gale Banks, as that was what started it. Granted, there some bias built in. But something that was interesting. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/22599log.htm max gaub wrote: > For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most > all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine > doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why > not. > Thanx in advance. > > p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city. > > Max > > ______________________________________________________ > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:07:15 -0500 From: Bill Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks Open the door, place your hand on the metal part of the door and keep it there as you slide out. You may feel a little tingle, but not the heavy shock of touching the metal after your out. Worth a try, works for me. Keith Veren wrote: > > The one trouble with cloth seats is that when you slide across them you to > get out you can really build a static discharge. One way to eliminate the > uncomfortable shock is to get out and then touch your elbow, instead of your > hand, to the door. > Has anyone else figured out a method to reduce and/or > eliminate the dreaded wintertime/dry weather static shock felt after you > exit your vehicle then go to shut the door? > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trevino, Julia R > To: 'expedition intellisys.net' > Cc: 'JTREVINO UH.EDU' > Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:18 PM > Subject: EXPEDITION: STATIC DISCHARGES > > Hello everybody: > I got my Expedition about a year and a half ago, and ever since I've been > having really bad static problems with it... > It's a 1998 XLT Expedition.. > I like to know if anyone else has experienced this and if so what was done > to fix the problem.. > I'm not talking about "once in a while static discharges", I'm talking about > all the time...I'm so frustrated with > this "condition" I don't know what to do... > I've been to the dealear already and he didn't seem to believe me, so I > asked him to step in to see if it would do it > to him..Sure enough, he was on the seat for less than a minute, got out, > touched the door and got shocked.. I could see > he was very suprised, so he called his boss and it happened to him too.. > Unfortunately, there is nothing they can do.. > I was shown a list of "Message codes" of areas, that as an owner of this > particular expedition, can expect to > encounter. I wish I had seen this list before I bought it.. The static > discharge problem is in there and they call it a > "normal condition"???? > It's a really bad situation when you have a family vehicle, and your family > (I'm talking about my children ) do not > want to get in cause they know they're going to get shocked. It is an all > year round problem. > > I would really appreciate any comments on this. > > Thanks, > > julia > jtrevino uh.edu > > ____________________________________________ > To unsubscribe send an email to > majordomo intellisys.net with the message > "unsubscribe expedition" or "unsubscribe expedition-digest" > Contact vic san.rr.com if you have problems > List homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Xpedition.net > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:11:13 -0700 From: Roger J Hutflesz Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? Mine (1999 F250) has the Cat converter. It was originally purchased in Nevada. (now resides in AZ.) Roger H. On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:44:10 PST "max gaub" writes: >For those of you who have PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors? >Most >all of ones I have seen have them here in Calif, but mine doesn't. Not > >that I'm complaining, (actually glad), but just wondering why I was so > >lucky > >max > >______________________________________________________ > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:13:47 -0700 From: Roger J Hutflesz Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner. The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino" Any positive/negative comments?? Thanks, Roger H. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:21:57 -0800 From: johny Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement Remove the door switch panel (assuming power windows) Behind that, near the door release handle there should be a screw. remove that. At the bottom of the door, there is another light panel. There is a screw that also needs to be removed. Door panel is supposed to slip off easily. Obviously, I have not tried this yet. Be warned. I've seen the discussion on the net somewhere though. (and of course the Helms manuals) Possibly here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/articles.htm JPatte5238 aol.com wrote: > Several months ago the garage door frame moved in front of my tow mirror, thus > cracking the plastic. I tried to blame the damage on my wife but that didn't > work, so I tried it on the kids and got the same results. I have waited in > purchasing a new mirror in hopes for the "slide in" type mirrors would come > available. But I don't see that happening soon, so I purchased a new one. In > order to install the new mirror, I need to take the inner door panel off. So, > does anybody know how to take the inner door panel off of a 1999 F250 > superduty (lariat package)? The mirror has an electrical connection that goes > behind the panel. Thank you in advance > > John Patterson > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:33:33 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00 I've read some articles on the Excursion that say it will have a V-10 with 300 HP and 430 lb/ft of torque at 2000 RPM. I'd guess the SD will get this same HP improvement. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Werner To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:38 AM Subject: FTE 97up - Changes for '00 >Anyone know what changes/improvements/additional options etc that will be >offered on the Superduties for 2000 model year? Particularly regarding the >V10... > >Thanks >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:39:44 EST From: JudgeR aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:43:21 -0800 From: "Rob Bryan" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00 Makes sense as that is about the same hp/L and tq/L as the new 260hp/245ft-lb 5.4L engine. I take it that the Y2K model will also get this V8 as its standard engine. (actually it'd be 327hp, 435 ft-lb to be the same) Now I wonder if the F-150 will finally get the 240hp/293ft-lb 4.6 from the '99 Expedition (along with its full-time transfer case). Rob > I've read some articles on the Excursion that say it will have a V-10 with > 300 HP and 430 lb/ft of torque at 2000 RPM. I'd guess the SD will get this > same HP improvement. > > Nathan Bernard > Union Auto, Inc. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:02:07 -0600 From: "Chris Patrick" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to Scorpion liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and im getting my truck done next month.. > I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:12:21 -0500 From: "Mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks Isn't that what those 1" wide by 10" long strips hanging down from some vehicles are for? They touch the ground, thereby grounding the vehicle and discharge static buildup? Steve - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Veren To: Ford Truck Mailing List ; expedition intellisys.net Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:48 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks >The one trouble with cloth seats is that when you slide across them you to >get out you can really build a static discharge. One way to eliminate the >uncomfortable shock is to get out and then touch your elbow, instead of your >hand, to the door. For some reason, your elbow is not bothered as much by >the static electricity compared to your finger(s). Another way is to spray >the interior with "Static-Guard" which is a product for eliminating static >build-up in the clothes dryer. Even another way that some have gotten rid >of static is to connect a thick braided copper wire from the A-frame (just >"inside" the driver's wheel), or other frame part and let the other end just >touch (and drag) on the ground, however, you may have to clamp on a little >fishing weight to ensure it drags on the ground. Some moving equipment uses >a rubber (metalized) drag strip to eliminate static build-up, looks like a >1-inch wide strip of steel-belted tire type of material. when I am getting >little shocks, especially during the winter, I just get out and touch my >forearm or elbow to the door to discharge the static. Even works when you >have a coat on. Has anyone else figured out a method to reduce and/or >eliminate the dreaded wintertime/dry weather static shock felt after you >exit your vehicle then go to shut the door? > >Keith > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Trevino, Julia R >To: 'expedition intellisys.net' >Cc: 'JTREVINO UH.EDU' >Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:18 PM >Subject: EXPEDITION: STATIC DISCHARGES > > > >Hello everybody: >I got my Expedition about a year and a half ago, and ever since I've been >having really bad static problems with it... >It's a 1998 XLT Expedition.. >I like to know if anyone else has experienced this and if so what was done >to fix the problem.. >I'm not talking about "once in a while static discharges", I'm talking about >all the time...I'm so frustrated with >this "condition" I don't know what to do... >I've been to the dealear already and he didn't seem to believe me, so I >asked him to step in to see if it would do it >to him..Sure enough, he was on the seat for less than a minute, got out, >touched the door and got shocked.. I could see >he was very suprised, so he called his boss and it happened to him too.. >Unfortunately, there is nothing they can do.. >I was shown a list of "Message codes" of areas, that as an owner of this >particular expedition, can expect to >encounter. I wish I had seen this list before I bought it.. The static >discharge problem is in there and they call it a >"normal condition"???? >It's a really bad situation when you have a family vehicle, and your family >(I'm talking about my children ) do not >want to get in cause they know they're going to get shocked. It is an all >year round problem. > >I would really appreciate any comments on this. > >Thanks, > >julia >jtrevino uh.edu > > >____________________________________________ >To unsubscribe send an email to >majordomo intellisys.net with the message >"unsubscribe expedition" or "unsubscribe expedition-digest" >Contact vic san.rr.com if you have problems >List homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Xpedition.net > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:09:44 -0500 From: "Mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers?? My 98 XLT was supposed to have it too. It said so on the sticker and it was described in the option list when I ordered the truck. Heck if I can make it work. I have followed the instructions to "turn it on" and nothing happens. I think it's a gimmick and I don't think Ford installed in my vehicle either. Steve - -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Croft To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers?? >I have a '99 F250 SD XLT and was reading, with interest, the discussion >a while back about the wipers being speed sensitive - the faster you >drive the less "dead" time they have when they are on intermittent. > >Mine do not! > >So I took it into the local dealer here (in Canada) and they said (after >about 2.5 hours working on it) that the truck does not have this >feature!! > >Is this true? Are these things an option that I don't have or is it >just that they can't figure it out??? > >How can I tell for sure if the truck should have this and what should I >tell the dealer to do, to make it work? > >Thanks, >Gord >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:59:40 -0700 From: "Don Lewoniuk" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Gears I think the problem is that you've got the 5 speed. These numbers are off the Ford web site. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/fseries/specs.html According to them you're max trailer weight is 2300#. 4.2-liter SEFI V6 axle 3.08 GCWR 6,500 MAX TRAILER reg cab 2,300 MAX TRAILER S/CAB 2,000 Even with 3.55's you're only up to 3600#. 3.55 7,800 3,600 3,200 3,300 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com > [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary Miller > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:39 AM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 97up - Gears > > > I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem > is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer > that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to > add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb). > Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the > gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know > what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has > anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to > use? Thanks, Gary Miller > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:37:57 -0800 From: Dan Healy Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners My Scorpion liner is about 9 months old and already peeling... Dan Roger J Hutflesz wrote: > I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner. > > The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino" > > Any positive/negative comments?? > > Thanks, > > Roger H. > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:40:40 -0600 From: "Chris Patrick" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners > My Scorpion liner is about 9 months old and already peeling... Dan interesting.. mine is in great shape... the body prep is EVERYTHING on these things.. Scorp has a new formula that is supposed to be even thicker, and stick even better. my Rhino started to come off in big chunks after about 14 months.... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:46:18 -0500 From: "William Suarez" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners Roger, I had a Rhino lining in my 97 F-150 and was very pleased with how it held up. I elected to go with the Ziebart ceramic epoxy liner in my new SD as it is harder and sprays on much thinner (although better strength I'm told) so that my fifth wheel hitch rails can mount on top of the liner. I had been told, by two or three hitch installers, that they have had mixed results with the thicker urethane type linings and proper hitch rail mountings. The Ziebart is a harder, somewhat smoother surface and is only available in black and grey where as the Rhino is available in just about any color you want. Good luck, Bill Suarez > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com > [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Roger J Hutflesz > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:14 PM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners > > > > > I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner. > > The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino" > > Any positive/negative comments?? > > Thanks, > > Roger H. > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:15:34 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Hi Judge, can you go into a little detail on how it was applied, how long it took to dry, does it rub-off on things you put in the back, etc. I am thinking about a spray-on, currently I have a duraliner but I don't like the idea of a giant plastic tub sitting on my nice new painted metal with water able to get between them. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: JudgeR aol.com To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners >I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:19:36 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino liner) if you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how thick is it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out it you ever want to take the bed off? Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Patrick To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners >ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to Scorpion >liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and im >getting my truck done next month.. > >> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:25:09 EST From: JudgeR aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners The issue I had with the plastic bedliner was when I went to remove it when my truck was only 3 weeks it had already rubbed the paint off it 15 to 20 locations. The rhino was $425, but I love it. You have to see it to believe it! There is not one thing I do not like about it. Good Luck! the judge == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:42:11 EST From: RSnovi aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners In a message dated 99-03-04 16:22:20 EST, you write: Rhino kicks all the others ass, i can say this because just after i had mine done i had a long conversation with the dealer that does the Rhino here in two. We were discussing the differences between all the ones avalible at this time. All had some sort of flaw like pop out, melt,stick to stuff, that would later you would have to come back and redo or was dangerous, like one if you backed a boat in the water and water got to bed level the back of the truck would FLOAT! Thats right FLOAT, not to safe in my book. I looked into it thoroughly before doing it and Rhino has by far the best. I can say this after haveing 2 trucks with plastic liners. Ross S. 99 F250SD/PSD/SC/4x4 I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner. The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino" Any positive/negative comments?? Thanks, Roger H. >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:42:10 EST From: RSnovi aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? In a message dated 99-03-04 14:55:06 EST, you write: thats what i am hearing from a few places i have talked to concerning the PSD , after a certain build date, i don't know when or how they are getting away with it. Could be a revised computer programming or change in EPA laws(doubt that). anyone else hear anything on why? RS Date:99-03-04 14:55:06 EST From:airplane999 hotmail.com (max gaub) Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Reply-to:97up-list ford-trucks.com To:97up-list ford-trucks.com For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why not. Thanx in advance. p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city. Max ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:55:06 -0500 Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA13326; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA01755; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f278.hotmail.com [207.82.251.169]) by ford- trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA01748; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host f278.hotmail.com [207.82.251.169] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: (qmail 6079 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 19:50:04 -0000 Message-ID: Received: from 205.188.197.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:50:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.46] From: "max gaub" To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:50:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:13:27 -0800 From: Dan Healy Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? According to TSB #11384 emmisions labels are black and white for the 49 states and blue and white for CA. If these labels are found then the truck has the emmisions. RSnovi aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-03-04 14:55:06 EST, you write: > thats what i am hearing from a few places i have talked to concerning the PSD > , after a certain build date, i don't know when or how they are getting away > with it. Could be a revised computer programming or change in EPA laws(doubt > that). > > anyone else hear anything on why? > > RS > > Date: 99-03-04 14:55:06 EST > From: airplane999 hotmail.com (max gaub) > Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com > Reply-to: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > > For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most > all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine > doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why > not. > Thanx in advance. > > p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city. > > Max > > ______________________________________________________ > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by > air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:55:06 -0500 > Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) > by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id OAA13326; > Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:54:58 -0500 (EST) > Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA01755; Thu, 4 > Mar 1999 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) > Received: from hotmail.com (f278.hotmail.com [207.82.251.169]) by ford- > trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA01748; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) > X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host f278.hotmail.com > [207.82.251.169] claimed to be hotmail.com > Received: (qmail 6079 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 1999 19:50:04 -0000 > Message-ID: > Received: from 205.188.197.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:50:04 PST > X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.46] > From: "max gaub" > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question??? > Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:50:04 PST > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain > Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > > >> > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:33:06 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? I don't know when it changed but I have two Diesels on the lot and one (made in Nov.) has a Cat, and the other (just came in) doesn't. They are equipped the same so their should be no difference. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: max gaub To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:00 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question???? >For those of you who have PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors? Most >all of ones I have seen have them here in Calif, but mine doesn't. Not >that I'm complaining, (actually glad), but just wondering why I was so >lucky > >max > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:53:19 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer? I think I asked another group, but maybe this is a repeat question to this group, if so I appologise, anyway, here goes: "Who the heck is Eddie Bauer, and what did he do to have his name plastered all over top-end Fords?" Keith >Damon Legare wrote: > >> My question is..Why an EB over XLT with the same options. Im not sold on >> leather seats but it looks nice. A pain in the summer heat!! Is the overhead >> console, MACH radio, and the EB trim worth the extra cost? I would more than >> likely paint the trim at some point... I wish you could get the MACH radio >> in the XLT!!!! > >In my spreadsheet comparison, here is the list of EB items I have. It is up to >the individual to determine their worth. Between a loaded XLT and an EB.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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