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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers??
FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.
FTE 97up - Tire Mileage
FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.
FTE 97up - Intermittent Noise in Truck
RE: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator Confusion
FTE 97up - Gears
Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.
Re: FTE 97up - Gears
[none]
Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.
Re: FTE 97up - 961 idle option
Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential
Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential
FTE 97up - '99 SuperDuty F-350 4X4 Front Lift Kit
FTE 97up - Changes for '00
FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????
FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???
FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???
Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????
FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement
Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks
Re: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers??
RE: FTE 97up - Gears
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????
FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?
Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:38:21 -0800
From: Gordon Croft
Subject: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers??

I have a '99 F250 SD XLT and was reading, with interest, the discussion
a while back about the wipers being speed sensitive - the faster you
drive the less "dead" time they have when they are on intermittent.

Mine do not!

So I took it into the local dealer here (in Canada) and they said (after
about 2.5 hours working on it) that the truck does not have this
feature!!

Is this true? Are these things an option that I don't have or is it
just that they can't figure it out???

How can I tell for sure if the truck should have this and what should I
tell the dealer to do, to make it work?

Thanks,
Gord
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:25:05 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement

Several months ago the garage door frame moved in front of my tow mirror, thus
cracking the plastic. I tried to blame the damage on my wife but that didn't
work, so I tried it on the kids and got the same results. I have waited in
purchasing a new mirror in hopes for the "slide in" type mirrors would come
available. But I don't see that happening soon, so I purchased a new one. In
order to install the new mirror, I need to take the inner door panel off. So,
does anybody know how to take the inner door panel off of a 1999 F250
superduty (lariat package)? The mirror has an electrical connection that goes
behind the panel. Thank you in advance

John Patterson
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:30:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has reserved a block of 40 rooms at Days Inn Pigeon
Forge for the F100 Supernationals, May 13 - 16. The rates for the rooms are:
$34.00 + tax Sunday through Thursday
$68.00 + tax Friday through Saturday
This is a group rate, so be sure to mention Ford Truck Enthusiasts when
reserving your room. Rooms are first come, first served, of course, and the
last day to reserve at the group rate is April 15.
To make your reservation, call:
1-800-645-3079
We've also reserved tables for at least 40 people at Alan Jackson's Show
Car Cafe on Saturday at 9:00 AM for breakfast. Total cost for the Breakfast
Buffet is $8.00 per person. This price includes tax and gratuity. To reserve
your spot, email Don Neighbors at:
grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:36:11 EST
From: Alevinson aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tire Mileage

What do you consider good mileage out of a set of tires on a 3/4 4x4?

I have 65,000 on my stock tires and they still have some meat on them.

I think that is excellent, what do you think?

Alex L
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:48:20 -0800
From: Janowski
Subject: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.

97 powerstoke with water in fuel light that comes on during sharp right
turns only! Drained the fuel bowl and still the light comes on. Any
thought to the problem?

Thanks
- -Dave-

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:02:45 -0600
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - Intermittent Noise in Truck

When I first got my F250 PSD, I was constantly annoyed by intermittent
noises that seemed to be coming from various locations within and without
the cab.

One noise in particular was horrendous, and seemed to be coming from the
left front wheel well, each time I hit a bump in the road. It caused me to
stop several times on one trip to check the wheel, shocks, etc., for
evidence that they were coming apart ...that's how loud it was.

After several weeks of searching unsuccessfully for these noises, I had an
opportunity to remove everything from the side pockets of both doors before
taking the truck in for service. Imagine my surprise when all my noises
disappeared!!

All of the noises were caused by various items in those door pockets (sun
glasses, pencils, a box of ammo, a calculator, etc)! The rattling noises
were being amplified by the door pockets, and projected around the inside
the cab causing all sorts of consternation to me and my passengers!

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:28:44 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator Confusion

I tried to get the second alternator. Yes the brochures show it in every
PSD picture. (The May98 brochures show it as available with any PSD. The
December98 brochures do have tiny little print that says its for ambulance
package only.) No, you can't order it.
I am working through a fleet dealer - normal dealers can't order an
ambulance package: leaving off the 47z makes it unbuildable.
But an ambulance prep deletes the bed. It adds the second alternator, a
power distribution panel, and a rear A/C hookup. I never found out the
cost, cause I want the bed. (I couldn't afford the utility body I really
want)
I talked to a "normal" parts dealer and he said that he could get the
alternator, but not the mounting hardware, belt and cables. (Although I
think the cables shouldn't be too hard to find "real close" at NAPA.) The
"fleet" parts dealer says he can get them all. (I wonder if the "normal"
guy just didn't want to be bothered?)

And talking to a mechanic, it sounds like the alternator stayed the same,
they just changed the rating from 130 to 110 because they weren't really
generating that in any real world conditions.

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:38:32 -0600
From: Gary Miller
Subject: FTE 97up - Gears

I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem
is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer
that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to
add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb).
Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the
gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know
what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has
anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to
use? Thanks, Gary Miller

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:41:06 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.

I'd try changing the fuel filter.

Nathan Bernard

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From: Janowski
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 12:01 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.


>97 powerstoke with water in fuel light that comes on during sharp right
>turns only! Drained the fuel bowl and still the light comes on. Any
>thought to the problem?
>
>Thanks
>-Dave-
>


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 07:57:12 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gears

Go with the 3.73 gears! It will be a very noticeable change.
I recently had this done on a Cobra Mustang! I went from a 3.27 to a 4.10
I think I spent $175 on the gear set and $175 for labor.
I had the labor done at a local garage that is clean and prompt!
Gene

Gary Miller wrote:

> I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem
> is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer
> that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to
> add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb).
> Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the
> gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know
> what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has
> anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to
> use? Thanks, Gary Miller
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:55:22 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: [none]

You could do as we did with my wife's truck. She 'hates' tan interiors, and
wanted grey. So we found a reputable upholster and had the cloth seats
converted to leather. It was about $900.00 for the conversion. I am
considering custom Sheepskin for my truck. It is always warm in the winter
and cool in the summer.

Scott.
1999 F150 4x4 SC - Wife's
1999 F350 4x4 CC

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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:35:14 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day

I agree Leather is the way to go, BUT I do not like being told my only
color option is TAN.....My Chevy caprice has Grey Leather seats, WHY
could I not Get GREY Lariat package....
Hence I ordered and recieved A grey interior XLT....Love it but I did
really want the computer. OH WELL
Frank


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:03:51 -0700 (MST)
From: montblackburn webtv.net (mont blackburn)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Water in fuel light.

Sure --change the fuel filter but buy it from NAPA unless you like
paying double. I never was so disgusted as when I went to change the
fuel filter on our 99 PSD. It's designed badly, awkward to get to and
the gasket is stupid. Ford has been makiing trucks long enough that
they should have been able to do better than that.
I've had an Astro, a Peterbilt and an Autocar and I could change a
filter on in the dark. This truck I need lighting like a surgery room so
I can be sure everything is going on right. Why didn't they put on a
spin on filter?

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:14:49 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 961 idle option

The 961 option is now only available with the ambulance prep package.
Instead their offering 96P Full function idle control ($210 retail, 178
invoice). It still isn't available with the Lariat pkg.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: davesomers
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 961 idle option


>My SuperDuty dealer called today to say my order became "dirty" because
they aren't offering the 961 idle control anymore.
>I find this a little hard to believe, 'cause I know you need it to use the
PTO, and all the thousands of ambulances out there want it too.
>Has anyone heard anything on this topic?
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:31:46 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential

Thanks Stephen for the informative update. I never did subscribed to the theory
of "applying the emergency brake to induce the limited-slip". Not on the failures
that were being reported here. That would mean that in bad conditions one must
set the parking brake slightly prior to driving the truck.

Charles.

STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com wrote:

>
>
> Hello Folks
>
> Earlier I had described a situation where the limited slip differential in my
> F350 4x4 Crew Cab 5spd had failed. Basically, since the truck was brand new,
> the LSD would not provide any power to both rear wheels in a slippery road
> condition. One example occurred when I pulled over to let another car pass on a
> snowy road. When I tried to go forward again, the truck spun the right rear
> wheel and the left rear wheel was just sitting on hard snow and not turning.
>
> The repair provided by Ford Miramar Trucking included replacing the two
> differential "clutch packs" and two "spider gears". This repair was essentially
> a rebuild of the differential and they admitted that not only was it defective,
> but also the broken clutch pack pieces had already destroyed the two spider
> gears. They also said the differential would have had a shorter life.
>
> I have tested this "new" differential on a dirt hillside, and I can see a clear
> improvement. First one wheel spins, then 1/2 second later, both are spinning
> and the whole backend starts to move sideways.
>
> So, all I can say is HOORAY for this particular repair shop!
>
> - Stephen Witte
>
> P.S. I have some pictures that I haven't developed yet of the guts of the
> differential before it was reassembled into the axle. If anyone wants "TIFF"
> files of these pictures, I will send them as soon as I can get around to
> finishing the roll of film and developing them. Just let me know.
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:55:58 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential

I agree Charles, I never had to apply my emergency brake to get my limited
slip axles to drive both wheels, they have always worked when needed
(sometimes too good, such as when I am on ice waiting for a light to change
and the road is crowned and I slide a little sideways instead of going
forward because both rear wheels are spinning!).

Keith


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Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential


>Thanks Stephen for the informative update. I never did subscribed to the
theory
>of "applying the emergency brake to induce the limited-slip". Not on the
failures
>that were being reported here. That would mean that in bad conditions one
must
>set the parking brake slightly prior to driving the truck.
>
>Charles.
>
>STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hello Folks
>>
>> Earlier I had described a situation where the limited slip differential
in my
>> F350 4x4 Crew Cab 5spd had failed. Basically, since the truck was brand
new,
>> the LSD would not provide any power to both rear wheels in a slippery
road
>> condition. One example occurred when I pulled over to let another car
pass on a
>> snowy road. When I tried to go forward again, the truck spun the right
rear
>> wheel and the left rear wheel was just sitting on hard snow and not
turning.
>>
>> The repair provided by Ford Miramar Trucking included replacing the two
>> differential "clutch packs" and two "spider gears". This repair was
essentially
>> a rebuild of the differential and they admitted that not only was it
defective,
>> but also the broken clutch pack pieces had already destroyed the two
spider
>> gears. They also said the differential would have had a shorter life.
>>
>> I have tested this "new" differential on a dirt hillside, and I can see a
clear
>> improvement. First one wheel spins, then 1/2 second later, both are
spinning
>> and the whole backend starts to move sideways.
>>
>> So, all I can say is HOORAY for this particular repair shop!
>>
>> - Stephen Witte
>>
>> P.S. I have some pictures that I haven't developed yet of the guts of the
>> differential before it was reassembled into the axle. If anyone wants
"TIFF"
>> files of these pictures, I will send them as soon as I can get around to
>> finishing the roll of film and developing them. Just let me know.
>>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:03:36 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SuperDuty F-350 4X4 Front Lift Kit

Well, I have been driving around with my front 3.5" lift kit (replacement
front springs, tracking bar and sway bar extensions and all 4 new shocks)
from Tuff Country and I could not be more pleased. After I got the
front-end aligned the front-end said that since I got the extra-heavy front
springs (diesel version) because I snowplow, that I should drive around with
the plow on over dips and bumps to "break the paint off the springs". I did
and now it has softened up just a tad and the truck sits absolutely level
(with or without the plow up) and the front barely drops any when I put the
plow in the air! Very happy so far. I notice everyone looks at truck when
I go places because it sits nice and looks quite "aggressive".

Keith

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:28:38 -0800
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Changes for '00

Anyone know what changes/improvements/additional options etc that will be
offered on the Superduties for 2000 model year? Particularly regarding the
V10...

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:44:10 PST
From: "max gaub"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????

For those of you who have PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors? Most
all of ones I have seen have them here in Calif, but mine doesn't. Not
that I'm complaining, (actually glad), but just wondering why I was so
lucky

max

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:50:04 PST
From: "max gaub"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???

For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most
all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine
doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why
not.
Thanx in advance.

p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city.

Max

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:41:47 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???

Max,

I believe the 99.5 model PSD trucks do not have a cat. converter, even in
California. Ford made several changes in the mid-model year. I will be
picking my F-350 PSD up on Monday(hopefully) and don't expect to see a cat.
converter on it.

George

At 03/04/99 11:50 AM, you wrote:
>For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most
>all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine
>doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why
>not.
>Thanx in advance.
>
>p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city.
>
>Max

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:46:13 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks

The one trouble with cloth seats is that when you slide across them you to
get out you can really build a static discharge. One way to eliminate the
uncomfortable shock is to get out and then touch your elbow, instead of your
hand, to the door. For some reason, your elbow is not bothered as much by
the static electricity compared to your finger(s). Another way is to spray
the interior with "Static-Guard" which is a product for eliminating static
build-up in the clothes dryer. Even another way that some have gotten rid
of static is to connect a thick braided copper wire from the A-frame (just
"inside" the driver's wheel), or other frame part and let the other end just
touch (and drag) on the ground, however, you may have to clamp on a little
fishing weight to ensure it drags on the ground. Some moving equipment uses
a rubber (metalized) drag strip to eliminate static build-up, looks like a
1-inch wide strip of steel-belted tire type of material. when I am getting
little shocks, especially during the winter, I just get out and touch my
forearm or elbow to the door to discharge the static. Even works when you
have a coat on. Has anyone else figured out a method to reduce and/or
eliminate the dreaded wintertime/dry weather static shock felt after you
exit your vehicle then go to shut the door?

Keith



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From: Trevino, Julia R
To: 'expedition intellisys.net'
Cc: 'JTREVINO UH.EDU'
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:18 PM
Subject: EXPEDITION: STATIC DISCHARGES



Hello everybody:
I got my Expedition about a year and a half ago, and ever since I've been
having really bad static problems with it...
It's a 1998 XLT Expedition..
I like to know if anyone else has experienced this and if so what was done
to fix the problem..
I'm not talking about "once in a while static discharges", I'm talking about
all the time...I'm so frustrated with
this "condition" I don't know what to do...
I've been to the dealear already and he didn't seem to believe me, so I
asked him to step in to see if it would do it
to him..Sure enough, he was on the seat for less than a minute, got out,
touched the door and got shocked.. I could see
he was very suprised, so he called his boss and it happened to him too..
Unfortunately, there is nothing they can do..
I was shown a list of "Message codes" of areas, that as an owner of this
particular expedition, can expect to
encounter. I wish I had seen this list before I bought it.. The static
discharge problem is in there and they call it a
"normal condition"????
It's a really bad situation when you have a family vehicle, and your family
(I'm talking about my children ) do not
want to get in cause they know they're going to get shocked. It is an all
year round problem.

I would really appreciate any comments on this.

Thanks,

julia
jtrevino uh.edu


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:53:01 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???

It's reported that the newer 99 superduties with PSD's
no longer have Catalytic Converters. Newer as of Jan 99.
My 99 built on 6/98 has a converter.

Doesn't seem to matter what state you are in.


If you have a 99.5, there's was a good article on the possible performace
impacts of this.There may be some detuning of the engine to get better
emissions, that would remove the Cat. Converter.
Unfortunately I can't find it. There may be references to it in the chat
with Gale Banks, as that was what started it.

Granted, there some bias built in. But something that was interesting.


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max gaub wrote:

> For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most
> all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine
> doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why
> not.
> Thanx in advance.
>
> p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city.
>
> Max
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:07:15 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks

Open the door, place your hand on the metal part of the door
and keep it there as you slide out. You may feel a little
tingle, but not the heavy shock of touching the metal after
your out. Worth a try, works for me.

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> The one trouble with cloth seats is that when you slide across them you to
> get out you can really build a static discharge. One way to eliminate the
> uncomfortable shock is to get out and then touch your elbow, instead of your
> hand, to the door.
> Has anyone else figured out a method to reduce and/or
> eliminate the dreaded wintertime/dry weather static shock felt after you
> exit your vehicle then go to shut the door?
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trevino, Julia R
> To: 'expedition intellisys.net'
> Cc: 'JTREVINO UH.EDU'
> Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:18 PM
> Subject: EXPEDITION: STATIC DISCHARGES
>
> Hello everybody:
> I got my Expedition about a year and a half ago, and ever since I've been
> having really bad static problems with it...
> It's a 1998 XLT Expedition..
> I like to know if anyone else has experienced this and if so what was done
> to fix the problem..
> I'm not talking about "once in a while static discharges", I'm talking about
> all the time...I'm so frustrated with
> this "condition" I don't know what to do...
> I've been to the dealear already and he didn't seem to believe me, so I
> asked him to step in to see if it would do it
> to him..Sure enough, he was on the seat for less than a minute, got out,
> touched the door and got shocked.. I could see
> he was very suprised, so he called his boss and it happened to him too..
> Unfortunately, there is nothing they can do..
> I was shown a list of "Message codes" of areas, that as an owner of this
> particular expedition, can expect to
> encounter. I wish I had seen this list before I bought it.. The static
> discharge problem is in there and they call it a
> "normal condition"????
> It's a really bad situation when you have a family vehicle, and your family
> (I'm talking about my children ) do not
> want to get in cause they know they're going to get shocked. It is an all
> year round problem.
>
> I would really appreciate any comments on this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> julia
> jtrevino uh.edu
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:11:13 -0700
From: Roger J Hutflesz
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????

Mine (1999 F250) has the Cat converter. It was originally purchased in
Nevada. (now resides in AZ.)

Roger H.


On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:44:10 PST "max gaub"
writes:
>For those of you who have PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors?
>Most
>all of ones I have seen have them here in Calif, but mine doesn't. Not
>
>that I'm complaining, (actually glad), but just wondering why I was so
>
>lucky
>
>max
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:13:47 -0700
From: Roger J Hutflesz
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners

I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner.

The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino"

Any positive/negative comments??

Thanks,

Roger H.
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:21:57 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tow Mirror Replacement

Remove the door switch panel (assuming power windows)
Behind that, near the door release handle there should be a screw.
remove that. At the bottom of the door, there is another light panel. There is
a screw that also needs to be removed. Door panel is supposed to
slip off easily.

Obviously, I have not tried this yet. Be warned. I've seen the discussion on
the net somewhere though. (and of course the Helms manuals)

Possibly here:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/articles.htm

JPatte5238 aol.com wrote:

> Several months ago the garage door frame moved in front of my tow mirror, thus
> cracking the plastic. I tried to blame the damage on my wife but that didn't
> work, so I tried it on the kids and got the same results. I have waited in
> purchasing a new mirror in hopes for the "slide in" type mirrors would come
> available. But I don't see that happening soon, so I purchased a new one. In
> order to install the new mirror, I need to take the inner door panel off. So,
> does anybody know how to take the inner door panel off of a 1999 F250
> superduty (lariat package)? The mirror has an electrical connection that goes
> behind the panel. Thank you in advance
>
> John Patterson
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:33:33 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00

I've read some articles on the Excursion that say it will have a V-10 with
300 HP and 430 lb/ft of torque at 2000 RPM. I'd guess the SD will get this
same HP improvement.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:38 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Changes for '00


>Anyone know what changes/improvements/additional options etc that will be
>offered on the Superduties for 2000 model year? Particularly regarding the
>V10...
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:39:44 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:43:21 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Changes for '00

Makes sense as that is about the same hp/L and tq/L as the new
260hp/245ft-lb 5.4L engine. I take it that the Y2K model will also get this
V8 as its standard engine. (actually it'd be 327hp, 435 ft-lb to be the
same) Now I wonder if the F-150 will finally get the 240hp/293ft-lb 4.6 from
the '99 Expedition (along with its full-time transfer case).

Rob

> I've read some articles on the Excursion that say it will have a V-10 with
> 300 HP and 430 lb/ft of torque at 2000 RPM. I'd guess the SD will get this
> same HP improvement.
>
> Nathan Bernard
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:02:07 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to Scorpion
liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and im
getting my truck done next month..

> I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:12:21 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks

Isn't that what those 1" wide by 10" long strips hanging down from some
vehicles are for? They touch the ground, thereby grounding the vehicle and
discharge static buildup?

Steve
- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: Ford Truck Mailing List ;
expedition intellisys.net
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:48 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Elimination of Static Shocks


>The one trouble with cloth seats is that when you slide across them you to
>get out you can really build a static discharge. One way to eliminate the
>uncomfortable shock is to get out and then touch your elbow, instead of
your
>hand, to the door. For some reason, your elbow is not bothered as much by
>the static electricity compared to your finger(s). Another way is to spray
>the interior with "Static-Guard" which is a product for eliminating static
>build-up in the clothes dryer. Even another way that some have gotten rid
>of static is to connect a thick braided copper wire from the A-frame (just
>"inside" the driver's wheel), or other frame part and let the other end
just
>touch (and drag) on the ground, however, you may have to clamp on a little
>fishing weight to ensure it drags on the ground. Some moving equipment
uses
>a rubber (metalized) drag strip to eliminate static build-up, looks like a
>1-inch wide strip of steel-belted tire type of material. when I am getting
>little shocks, especially during the winter, I just get out and touch my
>forearm or elbow to the door to discharge the static. Even works when you
>have a coat on. Has anyone else figured out a method to reduce and/or
>eliminate the dreaded wintertime/dry weather static shock felt after you
>exit your vehicle then go to shut the door?
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Trevino, Julia R
>To: 'expedition intellisys.net'
>Cc: 'JTREVINO UH.EDU'
>Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:18 PM
>Subject: EXPEDITION: STATIC DISCHARGES
>
>
>
>Hello everybody:
>I got my Expedition about a year and a half ago, and ever since I've been
>having really bad static problems with it...
>It's a 1998 XLT Expedition..
>I like to know if anyone else has experienced this and if so what was done
>to fix the problem..
>I'm not talking about "once in a while static discharges", I'm talking
about
>all the time...I'm so frustrated with
>this "condition" I don't know what to do...
>I've been to the dealear already and he didn't seem to believe me, so I
>asked him to step in to see if it would do it
>to him..Sure enough, he was on the seat for less than a minute, got out,
>touched the door and got shocked.. I could see
>he was very suprised, so he called his boss and it happened to him too..
>Unfortunately, there is nothing they can do..
>I was shown a list of "Message codes" of areas, that as an owner of this
>particular expedition, can expect to
>encounter. I wish I had seen this list before I bought it.. The static
>discharge problem is in there and they call it a
>"normal condition"????
>It's a really bad situation when you have a family vehicle, and your family
>(I'm talking about my children ) do not
>want to get in cause they know they're going to get shocked. It is an all
>year round problem.
>
>I would really appreciate any comments on this.
>
>Thanks,
>
>julia
>jtrevino uh.edu
>
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:09:44 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers??

My 98 XLT was supposed to have it too. It said so on the sticker and it was
described in the option list when I ordered the truck. Heck if I can make
it work. I have followed the instructions to "turn it on" and nothing
happens. I think it's a gimmick and I don't think Ford installed in my
vehicle either.

Steve
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From: Gordon Croft
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Speed sensitive wipers??


>I have a '99 F250 SD XLT and was reading, with interest, the discussion
>a while back about the wipers being speed sensitive - the faster you
>drive the less "dead" time they have when they are on intermittent.
>
>Mine do not!
>
>So I took it into the local dealer here (in Canada) and they said (after
>about 2.5 hours working on it) that the truck does not have this
>feature!!
>
>Is this true? Are these things an option that I don't have or is it
>just that they can't figure it out???
>
>How can I tell for sure if the truck should have this and what should I
>tell the dealer to do, to make it work?
>
>Thanks,
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:59:40 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Gears

I think the problem is that you've got the 5 speed.
These numbers are off the Ford web site.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordvehicles.com/fseries/specs.html According to them you're max
trailer weight is 2300#.

4.2-liter SEFI V6
axle 3.08
GCWR 6,500
MAX TRAILER reg cab 2,300

MAX TRAILER S/CAB 2,000

Even with 3.55's you're only up to 3600#.
3.55
7,800
3,600
3,200
3,300





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> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Gary Miller
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:39 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Gears
>
>
> I Have a 97 F150 with the 4.2L V6 5sd with 3.08 gears in it. My problem
> is that when I bought the truck it had enough power to pull the trailer
> that I had at the time, but my business has grown so that I have had to
> add more equipment and a bigger trailer (loaded it weights 5,000 lb).
> Now the truck is not doing the J.O.B. and I was thinking of changing the
> gears in it. My friends tell me this should do the job but I do not know
> what gear ratio to put in it. I am thinking either a 3.55 or 3.73. Has
> anyone done this or have any suggestions on which ratio to
> use? Thanks, Gary Miller
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:37:57 -0800
From: Dan Healy
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

My Scorpion liner is about 9 months old and already peeling... Dan

Roger J Hutflesz wrote:

> I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner.
>
> The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino"
>
> Any positive/negative comments??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger H.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:40:40 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

> My Scorpion liner is about 9 months old and already peeling... Dan

interesting.. mine is in great shape... the body prep is EVERYTHING on
these things..
Scorp has a new formula that is supposed to be even thicker, and stick even
better. my Rhino started to come off in big chunks after about 14
months....

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:46:18 -0500
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Roger,

I had a Rhino lining in my 97 F-150 and was very pleased with how it held
up.

I elected to go with the Ziebart ceramic epoxy liner in my new SD as it is
harder and sprays on much thinner (although better strength I'm told) so
that my fifth wheel hitch rails can mount on top of the liner. I had been
told, by two or three hitch installers, that they have had mixed results
with the thicker urethane type linings and proper hitch rail mountings.

The Ziebart is a harder, somewhat smoother surface and is only available in
black and grey where as the Rhino is available in just about any color you
want.

Good luck,

Bill Suarez

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> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:14 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Bed liners
>
>
>
>
> I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner.
>
> The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino"
>
> Any positive/negative comments??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roger H.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:15:34 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Hi Judge, can you go into a little detail on how it was applied, how long it
took to dry, does it rub-off on things you put in the back, etc. I am
thinking about a spray-on, currently I have a duraliner but I don't like the
idea of a giant plastic tub sitting on my nice new painted metal with water
able to get between them.

Keith


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Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners


>I have a rino it is the best thing i have ever seen ! the judge
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:19:36 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

Hi chris, I will also ask you (as I did the Judge about his Rhino liner) if
you could describe the process of getting the Scorpion Liner, how thick is
it, does it "dent" or is it smooth, how much does it cost, does it get
slippery when wet, and can you get the pick-up bed-to-frame bolts out it you
ever want to take the bed off?

Keith

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Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Bed liners


>ive used both rhino and Scorpion liner... frankly compared to Scorpion
>liner, Rhino is just black paint. My Jeep is currently Scorp'd and im
>getting my truck done next month..
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:25:09 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

The issue I had with the plastic bedliner was when I went to remove it when my
truck was only 3 weeks it had already rubbed the paint off it 15 to 20
locations. The rhino was $425, but I love it. You have to see it to believe
it! There is not one thing I do not like about it. Good Luck! the judge
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:42:11 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed liners

In a message dated 99-03-04 16:22:20 EST, you write:


Rhino kicks all the others ass, i can say this because just after i had mine
done i had a long conversation with the dealer that does the Rhino here in
two. We were discussing the differences between all the ones avalible at this
time. All had some sort of flaw like pop out, melt,stick to stuff, that would
later you would have to come back and redo or was dangerous, like one if you
backed a boat in the water and water got to bed level the back of the truck
would FLOAT! Thats right FLOAT, not to safe in my book. I looked into it
thoroughly before doing it and Rhino has by far the best. I can say this
after haveing 2 trucks with plastic liners.

Ross S.
99 F250SD/PSD/SC/4x4

I'm considering a "spray on" bed liner.

The two brands I have seen advertised are "Diamond" and "Rhino"

Any positive/negative comments??

Thanks,

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:42:10 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???

In a message dated 99-03-04 14:55:06 EST, you write:
thats what i am hearing from a few places i have talked to concerning the PSD
, after a certain build date, i don't know when or how they are getting away
with it. Could be a revised computer programming or change in EPA laws(doubt
that).

anyone else hear anything on why?

RS

Date:99-03-04 14:55:06 EST
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For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most
all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine
doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why
not.
Thanx in advance.

p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city.

Max

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:13:27 -0800
From: Dan Healy
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat..That is the question???

According to TSB #11384 emmisions labels are black and white for the 49 states and
blue and white for CA. If these labels are found then the truck has the emmisions.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-03-04 14:55:06 EST, you write:
> thats what i am hearing from a few places i have talked to concerning the PSD
> , after a certain build date, i don't know when or how they are getting away
> with it. Could be a revised computer programming or change in EPA laws(doubt
> that).
>
> anyone else hear anything on why?
>
> RS
>
> Date: 99-03-04 14:55:06 EST
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> For those of you with PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors??? Most
> all of the PSD I have seen here in Calif. have a cat, however mine
> doesn't. Not that I'm complaing, actually glad, but just wondering why
> not.
> Thanx in advance.
>
> p.s. 250 miles, computer mpg 17.3 mostly highway, some city.
>
> Max
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:33:06 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????

I don't know when it changed but I have two Diesels on the lot and one (made
in Nov.) has a Cat, and the other (just came in) doesn't. They are equipped
the same so their should be no difference.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: max gaub
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 2:00 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Cat or No Cat, is the Question????


>For those of you who have PSD, do your trucks have cat. convertors? Most
>all of ones I have seen have them here in Calif, but mine doesn't. Not
>that I'm complaining, (actually glad), but just wondering why I was so
>lucky
>
>max
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:53:19 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Who is Eddie Bauer?

I think I asked another group, but maybe this is a repeat question to this
group, if so I appologise, anyway, here goes:

"Who the heck is Eddie Bauer, and what did he do to have his name plastered
all over top-end Fords?"

Keith


>Damon Legare wrote:
>
>> My question is..Why an EB over XLT with the same options. Im not sold on
>> leather seats but it looks nice. A pain in the summer heat!! Is the
overhead
>> console, MACH radio, and the EB trim worth the extra cost? I would more
than
>> likely paint the trim at some point... I wish you could get the MACH
radio
>> in the XLT!!!!
>
>In my spreadsheet comparison, here is the list of EB items I have. It is
up to
>the individual to determine their worth. Between a loaded XLT and an EB....


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