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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Calibrated Butts
FTE 97up - Re: Calibrated Butts
FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day
FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator Confusion.
RE: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Calibrated Butts
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day
Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day
Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day
Re: FTE 97up - Anyone using K&N air filter? Waht are the results?
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
FTE 97up - 961 idle option
Re: FTE 97up - new muffler
Re: FTE 97up - Calibrated Butts
FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential
Re: FTE 97up - sales tax
FTE 97up - fan clutch noise
Re: FTE 97up - fan clutch noise

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:04:41 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Calibrated Butts

Do you still get 50 extra Horsepower for an STP decal?




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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:05:14 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Calibrated Butts

Seems to me that with all the modificatione that are being made to "Trucks"
out there for "More Horsepower"......"More Speed"........makes me wonder why
a truck was purchased in the first place. With alll of the $$$$$$ being
spent on modifications......seems like you could have opted for a Saleen
Mustang instead of the truck. Just my .02

Ron

>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:26:20 -0800
>From: "Hans Luckoff"
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Calibrated Butts
>
>I,m glad Keith told it like it is. I can't believe how gullible some people
>are. I worked for FoMoCo for 31 years back in the days when we build lots
of
>427's. What some guys now see as performance increases is laughable. Hans
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Veren
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 3:07 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Calibrated Butts
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:07:13 PST
From: "max gaub"
Subject: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day

Thanx Charles. The Lariat is a nice tough. When my friend saw it today,
he was swearing all kinds of obscenities. He has a F-350 dually XLT, now
wishing he had waited for the Lariat. If I remember right, you
re-ordered with the Lariat. If you didn't, change it.
The PSD is great, especially when they won't let you get over, let them
get a deep breath, and they will let you over, no problem.

Max G.
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Congratulations Max! The Lariat interior really makes it doesn't it!

Enjoy,

Charles.
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max gaub wrote:

> My truck is here finally. It apparently came in yesterday, and dealer
> didn't call or say anything. I happened to see it when I drove by, I
> guess I've been doing this more often since hearing about what
happened
> to our friend Charles. I get to pick it up on Monday after it goes
> through PDI. Ordered it on Dec. 22 with a priority of 80 from the
> dealer. 3 weeks later it had a build date and was priority 1
(reassigned
> by regional office, I guess). Total of 10 weeks. Damn it looks nice.
>
> F-250 SD CC Lariat PSD 4x2 with everything possible for a 4x2
> This is one VERY happy guy
>
> Max G.
>





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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:50:47 -0800
From: Jon Lam
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150

I am planning to install a classIII trailer hitch on my 1997 S/C
shortbox F-150 for towing a 5,000 lbs landscape trailer.
Local shops sell Hidden Hitch, Draw-Tite and Canadian Tire carries
Reese.... any ideas which one is "better" and stronger?
Is it hard to install by myself and does it require to drill holes in
the frame?
Any comments please E-Mail me at jlam netcom.ca
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:19:29 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator Confusion.

I am installing a sound system to over come the sound of my PSD. I had
planned that the second alternator could run my 700+ watts of amplification.
So if options list reads correct, I lost the opportunity to get my second
alternator for FREE? I find a problem with that. Why was this not clearly
spelled out but my dealers option book? (Nathan can you clear this up for
us?) I also see that in the Original SuperDuty Sales (range cover) it
called out for 130 Amp alternators, but when compared the current Sales
Brochure (White Cover), it now states that the alternator output has been
decreased to 110 Amps. Is this true of your PSD alternator?

I did some further research in the Electrical Diagrams for the PSD. They
label the diagrams in "Cells". On cell number 27-7 it is labeled
"Alternator - 7.3L Diesel with Dual alternator Giveaway" I had to read this
twice and three times, "GIVEAWAY". I have been working on cars and trucks
for over 22 years and never heard the term "giveaway". I really do not
understand this option coding and the description in the wiring diagram.
Nathan, Does this mean Ford will Give me my second alternator?

Confused,

Scott
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:48:12 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator

I read it the same as you... Only on the ambulance package. Do you /need/
two?

David

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Matus, Scott A
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 7:41 AM
To: 'F 97 - New'
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Dual Alternator


This weekend I was working on my truck and noticed having only 1 alternator.
I thought that the 99 PSD came standard with two alternators. I read
through the SD F Series sales literature (Original Version) and see two
alternators. It references having two alternators as an option. When I
looked at the list of available options for this truck, the dual alternator
is not listed. I'm thinking this is a dealer installed option?

Then I look a the Combined F Series literature (latest version). Sure every
picture of the PSD has two alternators, and an asterisk note at the bottom.
The note states that the Dual Alternator is an option only on Ambulance
Package. I understand that Ford Option 47Z is coded on "All Orders Not
Destined for Ambulance Use". Does this mean that if coded in the order I
would have received two alternators without Charge?

Confusing at best. Does anyone have two alternators on their PSD? If so
how did you order it? Specifically what option number did you use?

Thank you,

Scott Matus
99 F350 4x4 CC PSD 6sp SRW Lariat
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:20:22 -0600
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150

they are all quality names. you can install it yourself, but why? yuu should
be able to get it installed less than $150 from a reputable company. I have
a '98 f150 4x2, and i had the class five hitch installed (yea, i know its
rated for twice what the truck will tow). the class 5 was only $50 more than
a class 3, and that way theres never any question as to the hitch being
strong enough. also gives a much better toungue rating... and adds some
weight to the back end for daily driving in 2wd mode... INSTALLED, with
electric brake controller the class 5 was less than $400.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jon Lam
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:51 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150
>
>
> I am planning to install a classIII trailer hitch on my 1997 S/C
> shortbox F-150 for towing a 5,000 lbs landscape trailer.
> Local shops sell Hidden Hitch, Draw-Tite and Canadian Tire carries
> Reese.... any ideas which one is "better" and stronger?
> Is it hard to install by myself and does it require to drill holes in
> the frame?
> Any comments please E-Mail me at jlam netcom.ca
> Thanks.
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:55:51 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Calibrated Butts

Ronald Palmer wrote:
>
> Seems to me that with all the modificatione that are being made to "Trucks"
> out there for "More Horsepower"......"More Speed"........makes me wonder why
> a truck was purchased in the first place. With alll of the $$$$$$ being
> spent on modifications......seems like you could have opted for a Saleen
> Mustang instead of the truck. Just my .02
>
> Ron
>
Ron,

Why did you get a truck? I got mine because I wanted one.
My first vehicle was a 1972 Datsun 1200 Fastback. When I
finished with it it could go 135 mph. I always want to
improve on the factory setup. It is my hobby.

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:24:05 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150

Jon Lam wrote:
>
> I am planning to install a classIII trailer hitch on my 1997 S/C
> shortbox F-150 for towing a 5,000 lbs landscape trailer.
> Local shops sell Hidden Hitch, Draw-Tite and Canadian Tire carries
> Reese.... any ideas which one is "better" and stronger?
> Is it hard to install by myself and does it require to drill holes in
> the frame?
> Any comments please E-Mail me at jlam netcom.ca
> Thanks.
>
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Jon,

I got mine at U-Haul. Cdn Tire Shouldn't charge more
than $30.00 to install. I needed the assistance of one
other person to help hold it in place while I bolted it up
to the frame.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:24:25 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day

Max,

I never had leather (unless you count my shoes), so Lariat it was - and
Lariat it is with the new order, which is now 20 days away and closing!

I believe it was Nathan who said that the Lariat was the better deal over
a fully loaded XLT. Separated say by $500 on the MSRP, it would be the
Lariat that would command the higher sales (and resale) price. People just
expect the Lariat to have all that the XLT has and more, standard.

Not that's there's anything wrong with XLTs. And I know that many do
not enjoy leather seating in their trucks, especially when it's cold.

Regards,

Charles.


max gaub wrote:

> He has a F-350 dually XLT, now
> wishing he had waited for the Lariat. If I remember right, you
> re-ordered with the Lariat. If you didn't, change it.
> Max G.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:35:14 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day

I agree Leather is the way to go, BUT I do not like being told my only
color option is TAN.....My Chevy caprice has Grey Leather seats, WHY
could I not Get GREY Lariat package....
Hence I ordered and recieved A grey interior XLT....Love it but I did
really want the computer. OH WELL
Frank




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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:29:15 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 250 lariat..the next day

In a message dated 99-03-02 10:30:35 EST, you write:
i had the same dilema when i got my F 250SD XLT i tried a Lariat in the color
i wanted , after hunting for weeks, but the dealer was a total A$$ so he did
not get my sale. The leather seem a bit harder than the cloth, plus i have
had leather in the last 2 cars i had and didnt really feel like getting my a$$
burned all summer and freeze it in the winter again. So I ended up with my
Prarie tan, i havent seen a whole lot of this color around. Seems like they
have just been turning out a bunch of stripper work trucks (XL) lately unless
you order one.

RS

I never had leather (unless you count my shoes), so Lariat it was - and
Lariat it is with the new order, which is now 20 days away and closing!

I believe it was Nathan who said that the Lariat was the better deal over
a fully loaded XLT. Separated say by $500 on the MSRP, it would be the
Lariat that would command the higher sales (and resale) price. People just
expect the Lariat to have all that the XLT has and more, standard.

Not that's there's anything wrong with XLTs. And I know that many do
not enjoy leather seating in their trucks, especially when it's cold.

Regards,

Charles.


max gaub wrote:

> He has a F-350 dually XLT, now
> wishing he had waited for the Lariat. If I remember right, you
> re-ordered with the Lariat. If you didn't, change it.
> Max G. >>
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:22:31 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Anyone using K&N air filter? Waht are the results?

Power does increase some and so does noise. Less noise increase would be
expected with a change in filter alone. I installed the full package which
exposes the air filter and eliminates the box the standard filter is mounted
in.
Steve
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From: JCBANVILLE aol.com
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Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 12:12 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Anyone using K&N air filter? Waht are the results?


>I'm contemplating purchasing one for either a 4.6 or 5.4L '99 Expedition. I
>assume they would be the same. Anyone actually FEEL an increase in power?
Did
>your gas milage suffer? Is your engine louder? The reason I ask about the
>loudness is that I knew an older police officer who would trun the air
filter
>cover upside-down on his old patrolcar, which nearly exposed the entire
filter
>to the air under the hood, instead of just that coming in the air filter
>housing duct. He said it allowed more air into the system, thus increasing
>POWER. I don't know about added power, but it did make the engine much
louder.
>I wouldn't want that in my Expedition :)
>
>thanks
>JimB
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:58 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150

I have a round tube class III by hiddenhitch and I think it looks better
than the old style box hitches. Its got a class III rating so I guess its
as strong as the other class IIIs. I like the welded hitches rather than
the bolted ones, by that I mean the hitch is welded together, it is still
bolted to the truck. I got mine installed by UHaul, took all of 15 minutes,
drilled a couple of holes, air gunned the nuts and bolts and drove away. No
worries.
Steve


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From: Jon Lam
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Tow Hitch for F-150


>I am planning to install a classIII trailer hitch on my 1997 S/C
>shortbox F-150 for towing a 5,000 lbs landscape trailer.
>Local shops sell Hidden Hitch, Draw-Tite and Canadian Tire carries
>Reese.... any ideas which one is "better" and stronger?
>Is it hard to install by myself and does it require to drill holes in
>the frame?
>Any comments please E-Mail me at jlam netcom.ca
>Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:07:03 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: FTE 97up - 961 idle option

My SuperDuty dealer called today to say my order became "dirty" because they aren't offering the 961 idle control anymore.
I find this a little hard to believe, 'cause I know you need it to use the PTO, and all the thousands of ambulances out there want it too.
Has anyone heard anything on this topic?

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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:48:07 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - new muffler

I don't know yet, I haven't had it on long enough to go through a tank of
gas. I'll let you know if I see a diff.

Danny

>I wonder what it does to gas milage??
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 18:58:57 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Calibrated Butts

I agree, the butt-dyno is not very accurate or reliable. But I've been
driving the same truck every day for almost 25000 miles and 15 months in
all kinds of conditions. I think I would notice a change in the way the
truck runs. Yes, a dyno is the best way to measure. I don't have one,
though. That "accelerometer" thing sounds interesting. I wonder if they
can be rented?

A friend knew someone who used to distribute performance mufflers. They
guaranteed a measureable improvement. There was a local shop that would
sell a before/after dyno run for $30 (at that time). They wouldn't run the
full RPM range, just 3 or 4 points. They would do a run, immediately
change the muffler (so temperature and other conditions would be the same),
and then re-run. He said they saw gains of 5 to 20 HP. I guess it
depended on how restrictive the stock muffler was. Most people prefer
quiet over performance, so that's how vehicles come from the factory.

I had forgot to mention that I also did the airbox mod (I already have a
K&N, which made no noticable difference). So now instead of sucking air
through a
muffler Friday night/Sat morning and the air box Sat afternoon. I drove to
work the next day (50 miles of hilly freeway). The few weeks before the
above mods, I would watch the speedometer and note how much (if any) the
MPH would drop as I climbed a hill (on cruise control at 70 MPH in 5th). I
did same thing last Sunday. One hill that used to drop 1 or 2 MPH, now
dropped just barely enough to notice. Some of the bigger hills would drop
3-4 MPH. Some of those were about the same or slightly better. I haven't
been to work since then (jury duty), but I'll continue to do the same.

As JMC said, this is also a hobby. My last vehicle (which was also my
first) was a boring family car ('66 Fury). Over a few years, I turned it
into a much quicker, fun-to-drive car. (I could try listing everything I
did, but it would take a lot of space.) I owned it for 23 years and still
enjoyed driving it. I used a hill by the house to measure changes...time
to top of hill and speed at top. Some things made a big diff, some
nothing, all was bolt-on. I left the engine stock.

Whoops, second call for dinner, I better go...

Danny

P.S. Someone mentioned a sticker giving 50 HP more? That's ridiculous!
That would only be good for about 3-5 HP.
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:32:09 -0800
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford successfully repairs limited slip differential



Hello Folks

Earlier I had described a situation where the limited slip differential in my
F350 4x4 Crew Cab 5spd had failed. Basically, since the truck was brand new,
the LSD would not provide any power to both rear wheels in a slippery road
condition. One example occurred when I pulled over to let another car pass on a
snowy road. When I tried to go forward again, the truck spun the right rear
wheel and the left rear wheel was just sitting on hard snow and not turning.

The repair provided by Ford Miramar Trucking included replacing the two
differential "clutch packs" and two "spider gears". This repair was essentially
a rebuild of the differential and they admitted that not only was it defective,
but also the broken clutch pack pieces had already destroyed the two spider
gears. They also said the differential would have had a shorter life.

I have tested this "new" differential on a dirt hillside, and I can see a clear
improvement. First one wheel spins, then 1/2 second later, both are spinning
and the whole backend starts to move sideways.

So, all I can say is HOORAY for this particular repair shop!

- - Stephen Witte

P.S. I have some pictures that I haven't developed yet of the guts of the
differential before it was reassembled into the axle. If anyone wants "TIFF"
files of these pictures, I will send them as soon as I can get around to
finishing the roll of film and developing them. Just let me know.




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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:37:05 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - sales tax

It does depend on state. Here we tax after the rebates and trading
difference so you pay tax on what you actually spend.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 4:45 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - sales tax


>My new 99 PSD will be in soon, and I want to prepare to inspect my invoice,
>I've got a presale discount of $3035.00 from Ford for using there visa card
>for the last five years, I think sales tax should be figure invoice
>minus $3035.00 then sales tax as this is not a rebate. Anybody know ?!


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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:16:11 -0800
From: "John E. Nichols"
Subject: FTE 97up - fan clutch noise

I have a 99 f350 psd automatic cc which I have had for a year. It has
19,000 miles
on it and it started to make this intermitent noise right after I bought
it. The dealer
cannot duplicate the noise when they have it, so I have removed the fan
and clutch
from the truck for the winter but the noise is still there. The clutch
fan unscrews
for the pulley, the fan shroud has the directions of the threads. It
sounds like a power
steering pump but the noise doesn't change when you turn the wheel. I'm
hoping that if there are more trucks than just mine doing it ford will
find the cause.

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:43:06 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fan clutch noise

John, I have noticed alittle vibration noise in my truck!
It really hasn't bothered me much yet!!
Only because I think it is the heat shield on the converter?
Its kinda got a ring to it like a vibrating heat shield?
Anyway its only done it 3-4 times, and it was just for a few seconds!
Time will tell what I should do?
Does this sound anything like the noise yours is making?
Gene
John E. Nichols wrote:

> I have a 99 f350 psd automatic cc which I have had for a year. It has....

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