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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Re:Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle(toppers)
FTE 97up - Re: SD Tank Size
RE: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply
FTE 97up - Mirrors
FTE 97up - Getting too far off topic(ozone)
Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
FTE 97up - Any Dodge Ram owners out there?
FTE 97up - Towing mirrors
FTE 97up - Towing mirrors
RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply
FTE 97up - 99 SD Camper Wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Towing mirrors
FTE 97up - Fan clutch and fuel economy
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD Camper Wiring
FTE 97up - F250 finally here..
FTE 97up - Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar/Website
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch and fuel economy
Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch and fuel economy

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:54:51 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle(toppers)

Julian,
Sorry I forgot to mention that the "shell" topper I had weighed 500+ lbs
and was of the old heavy fiberglass type by LEAR and it did stick up about 3
inches above the cab. All of which could have had an effect on the mpg.
Mike

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:15:09 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: SD Tank Size

Exactly the same as mine - 8 gallons per quarter tank on the gauge. Figure
it out - that's 32 gallons used when the gauge says Empty, meaning you've
got a 6 gallon reserve. Quite a lot, but if you are hauling or towing that
may translate to only 70 additional miles. If you are looking for diesel on
a western highway, that may be what you need. Overly cautious, I agree.

Lots of folks are accustomed to running down to 'E", then looking for a
fuel station. Then somebody gets stranded with the kids and makes a stink
or even a lawsuit, so the auto companies react by increasing the reserve to
cover the idiots.
- --
Gary Brinck...
in Florida's Ocala National Forest
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:54:21 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage -Reply

Front is a Dana 50.

Rear is a Ford 10.25.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:10:12 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply

Before destroying an expensive cat think about this. All states are now required to have vehicle inspection and
maintenance programs very soon. This means a smog check. If your cat is destroyed you will not pass and will be
required to buy a new one. My guess is that this might run you 500 bucks or more. I personally do not think the extra
HP and mileage is worth the trouble but I work for EPA so that figures. Not that I would advocate breaking the law
and tampering with your emissions controls but if you really must remove your cat couldn't your just replace it with a
piece of pipe. That way it could be reinstalled if you sold the vehicle or needed to pass a smog inspection. sorry for
preaching but my first point is very valid. I had a heavily modified 76 chevy 4x4 which I had to sell out of state
because California wouldn't give me registration unless I changed everything back which would have cost me a
bundle.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:28:06 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply

In a message dated 99-02-27 10:22:58 EST, you write:


only 3 counties in my state(FL) require inspection, they used to have it all
over about 20 yrs ago but quit doing because of lack of $. Yea they have been
toying around with the idea for a few yrs now but no one has really stepped up
and done anything. I think you live in the worst state in the country for
the EPA, they just have a field day with CA.

RS

Before destroying an expensive cat think about this. All states are now
required to have vehicle inspection and
maintenance programs very soon. This means a smog check. If your cat is
destroyed you will not pass and will be
required to buy a new one. My guess is that this might run you 500 bucks or
more. I personally do not think the extra
HP and mileage is worth the trouble but I work for EPA so that figures. Not
that I would advocate breaking the law
and tampering with your emissions controls but if you really must remove your
cat couldn't your just replace it with a
piece of pipe. That way it could be reinstalled if you sold the vehicle or
needed to pass a smog inspection. sorry for
preaching but my first point is very valid. I had a heavily modified 76
chevy 4x4 which I had to sell out of state
because California wouldn't give me registration unless I changed everything
back which would have cost me a
bundle.
Geor >>
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:32:37 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Mirrors

Steve,

Thanks for the tip on the mirror adjustments, I am going to give it a try.
For those who missed it Steve posted a new way of adjusting your mirrors.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motorists.org/issues/safety/adjust_mirrors.html
Thanks

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:09:38 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Getting too far off topic(ozone)

SNIP
children with athsma who really suffer when the air quality goes to sh$#
because of the high Ozone levels directly caused by excess VOC's.>

Not enough ozone, too much ozone! Not enough ozone (the sky is falling
crowd) is preached in one arena as a global problem that the USA is supposed
to change for while allowing the other countries exemptions for their
development. On the other hand, as announced a couple of years ago in a neck
& neck race, Jacksonville, FL lost out on the U. S. Mercedes Benz factory
for having too high ozone levels.
Bottom Line: MAN (generic) can have a strong immediate LOCAL effect on
the environment. But the world (GOD's plan or mother earth, for the tree
hugger's) will do as it pleases. In the midst of terrible winter storms,
people ask "where is that global warming?". So some (usually government
funded) researcher twists the theory to incorporate the facts that shouldn't
be. FACT: The earth is finally starting to recover from the airborne ash
effect of Mount Pinatubo almost ten years ago. The El Nino winds and their
effect is cyclic and was known for hundreds of years. So enough. People
are too easily swayed by repeated erroneous B.S.

I waited an hour and a half to send this, to mellow it out, and for
background, my wife is a severe asthmatic and my daughter mildly so.

Where can you be a failure 50% of the time and still be a success? A
weatherman! And I have to add, Where can you be a failure most of the time
and still be a success WITH government subsidies? a GLOBAL environmental
activist!

Mike


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:45:08 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

If you really want some gears, you can order the '99 SuperDuty with a V-10
and 4.30 gears!!

Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: Hoffer, John
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:33 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage


>Thanks for the responses. This is about what I had figured - the Mrs. was
>worried I would be running sub-10 mpg's unloaded. Around 13 to 15 highway
>is certainly acceptable to her. I'm usually light on it on the highway, so
>these might be close to what I'd get.
>
>Hmmmm.... How insane is it to try to get the dealer to swap the 4.10 for
>3.73's? Realizing that both front and rear would need to change, are they
>both 8.8's or 9.5's or ??? I'm guessing that this is something they might
>not do, and I'd have to order a truck (which is what I planned originally).
>Towing would be less than 10% of the time, so 4.10 isn't a necessity.
>That's the same reason I can't justify the V-10 or the PSD, if anyone was
>wondering.
>
>BTW - I drove this truck, and am VERY pleased with its character. Turns
>better than expected, rides great, looks super, and man how about that low
>end!
>
>Thanks again,
>JohnH - Houston,TX
>
>
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>> I checked the mileage over the 500 Mi I did today, All highway, and it
>> was 14 on the nose...
>>
>> Good luck with the wife...The truck is great on the road.
>>
>> Frank
>>
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:36:23 EST
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Any Dodge Ram owners out there?

I am looking for a group/digest for Dodge Ram Truck owners (dually's
preference). Anyobody on any Dodge groups??

Randy
cookies aol.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:20:00 -0800
From: "Gerald Reiner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Towing mirrors

We bought a fifth wheel and have a Ford F150, 1998 to tow it. What mirrors
are best for the truck, for safety and convenience? Where do I buy them?

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:41:47 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - Towing mirrors

I noticed allot of you towing types are fairly interested in mirror options
and I just ran across this new, for me that is, item. They are tow mirrors
that slip over your existing mirrors. I can e-mail pics if anyone is
interested. They are in the 99 Pegasus auto racing catalog. ph#
1800-688-6946 56.99 for 1997-1999 SD's. Part # is 5156. They do have a
web site, url is www.execpc.com/~pegasus. Haven't been to it yet.

pk

>We bought a fifth wheel and have a Ford F150, 1998 to tow it. What mirrors
>are best for the truck, for safety and convenience? Where do I buy them?
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:21:19 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply

So I though too. When I went to have my truck regestered (were I've gone
for years) and he tells me that in Texas they don't do emissions test (my
first diesel) on diesels. He said he was only required to do a visual to
make sure it was in place (hence punching it out and not replacing it). I
would never advocate doing something illegal for someone else though.

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From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of GEORGE CROLL
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 9:10 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual -Reply


Before destroying an expensive cat think about this. All states are now
required to have vehicle inspection and
maintenance programs very soon. This means a smog check. If your cat is
destroyed you will not pass and will be
required to buy a new one. My guess is that this might run you 500 bucks or
more. I personally do not think the extra
HP and mileage is worth the trouble but I work for EPA so that figures. Not
that I would advocate breaking the law
and tampering with your emissions controls but if you really must remove
your cat couldn't your just replace it with a
piece of pipe. That way it could be reinstalled if you sold the vehicle or
needed to pass a smog inspection. sorry for
preaching but my first point is very valid. I had a heavily modified 76
chevy 4x4 which I had to sell out of state
because California wouldn't give me registration unless I changed everything
back which would have cost me a
bundle.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:37:20 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD Camper Wiring

Can anyone tell me how the camper wiring works. I ordered my SD with the
camper package but don't have any info on how I'm supposed to wire my
camper.

Thanx,
Mattb

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:34:11 EST
From: LOUISETUL aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Towing mirrors

In a message dated 2/27/99 11:50:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, Klein prudhoe-
bay.dowell.slb.com writes:

> fairly interested in mirror options
> and I just ran across this new, for me that is, item. They are tow mirrors
> that slip over your existing mirrors. I can e-mail pics if anyone is
> interested. They are in the 99 Pegasus auto racing catalog. ph#
> 1800-688-6946 56.99 for 1997-1999 SD's. Part # is 5156. They do have a
> web site, url is www.execpc.com/~pegasus. Haven't been to it yet.
>


Check out the Camping World stores and catalogs. They have different options
for mirrors when you are towing. During husband's last lapse of brain usuage,
he bought a Chevy, we had to have extra mirrors when we were towing. Found
what would work at Camping World. The one thing I like about the Ford, didn't
have to find extra mirrors for it. Don't know how the 99's are, but the '97
mirrors are really nice.

Louise
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:02:39 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fan clutch and fuel economy

The previous posting I sent didn't seem to go in, so I'm trying again.
FAN CLUTCH - does anyone know of a thermostatic fan clutch (only blows
air when hot) that directly replaces the standard fuel-robbing clutch
that is standard on our trucks? FUEL ECONOMY - Also, has anyone
experienced a loss in fuel economy when going from standard size tires
to 285/75s? I have Dunlop Radial Rovers and even without calculating
the fuel economy (when I do I add 8% for the taller tires), I can FEEL
the rolling resistance is much higher now than before, just by observing
the coasting characteristics when letting off the gas at highway speeds.
The factory 255/75 Good Year Wrangler R/Ts coasted much better (didn't
lose speed so fast). I am using the same inflation rates for both
tires, per Ford specs, and per Dunlop's recommendation. I am using the
stock 7" XLT rims. Any ideas or suggestions?

Jordan Rautiola
'99 XLT F150 4x4 SC LB 5.4L w/cap averaging 12mpg lightfooting it

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:52:19 -0800
From: "mlester"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD Camper Wiring

I believe the wiring harness only comes with the tow package, not the camper
package. The camper package is a suspension thing.

I have the F250 SD PSD and the wiring harnes was run to the rear bumper and
all wires marked. The connector had to be purchased and installed
separately.

It was all well done.

Martial
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bailey
To: Ford Truck Mailing List
Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 1:35 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD Camper Wiring


>Can anyone tell me how the camper wiring works. I ordered my SD with the
>camper package but don't have any info on how I'm supposed to wire my
>camper.
>
>Thanx,
>Mattb
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:47:08 PST
From: "max gaub"
Subject: FTE 97up - F250 finally here..

My truck is here finally. It apparently came in yesterday, and dealer
didn't call or say anything. I happened to see it when I drove by, I
guess I've been doing this more often since hearing about what happened
to our friend Charles. I get to pick it up on Monday after it goes
through PDI. Ordered it on Dec. 22 with a priority of 80 from the
dealer. 3 weeks later it had a build date and was priority 1 (reassigned
by regional office, I guess). Total of 10 weeks. Damn it looks nice.

F-250 SD CC Lariat PSD 4x2 with everything possible for a 4x2
This is one VERY happy guy

Max G.


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:24:44 -0500
From: steve
Subject: FTE 97up - Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar/Website

I jsut put up a website with some pics of my '97 F150. I also have an
article I wrote on the installation of a Hellwig Anti-Sway bar with some
pics.
www.geocities.com/Baja/Mesa/9131

Steve
97 F150 4x4 5.4l

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:33:14 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch and fuel economy

Are you certain your truck doesn't have a thermostatic fan clutch?
Did you check for a bi-metal spring on the front of the clutch? Could
your original fan clutch be defective or prematurely worn out and stuck
engaged at all times? It's difficult to believe that in these EPA and CAFE
controlled times that it wasn't equipped with a thermostatic fan clutch.
If your fan clutch is defective, by all means get down to your dealer
and get it replaced. If there's nothing wrong with it's operation, go get
one of the replacement electric fans, it will save a lot of fan operation,
and slightly improve your warm up time. But beware, most of the electrics
have limited maximum cooling capacity, if you tow a lot, it might
not keep up with your needs.

Tires? I'm not at all surprised that you're experiencing decreased
coast down speeds with replacement tires. The factories and tire
makers expend a lot of time on rolling resistance on their OEM
tires to maximize fuel economy and minimize emissions. The
after-market tires don't necessarily have these benefits.

You've got a nice truck, but if you're that concerned about fuel
economy, you should have bought the V6. Let's look at your fuel
economy numbers and try to put them into perspective. You claim
12 MPG average, right? So, let's figure that you drive 20,000
miles per year at an average fuel price of $1.00/gallon, just to
make the calculations easy (remember, I'm a Dodge guy, I need
all the help I can get)!
20,000/12 = 1,667 dollars/12 = $139.00 dollars per month for
fuel. So how much is your cable bill? phone bill? internet access
charge? Are you as upset about those bills as you are about
your fuel bill? Your truck gets you to work to earn the money
to pay all the other bills, so it's a necessity, unlike some of the
other bills which are generally unnecessary overhead.

Sorry about the fuel economy paragraph, I just never really
understood why people get so upset about their gas mileage
when in the scheme of a monthly budget, it's one of the more
minor expenses, and one of the necessities.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 2/27/99 4:07:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sideskraft hotmail.com writes:

> The previous posting I sent didn't seem to go in, so I'm trying again.
> FAN CLUTCH - does anyone know of a thermostatic fan clutch (only blows
> air when hot) that directly replaces the standard fuel-robbing clutch
> that is standard on our trucks? FUEL ECONOMY - Also, has anyone
> experienced a loss in fuel economy when going from standard size tires
> to 285/75s? I have Dunlop Radial Rovers and even without calculating
> the fuel economy (when I do I add 8% for the taller tires), I can FEEL
> the rolling resistance is much higher now than before, just by observing
> the coasting characteristics when letting off the gas at highway speeds.
> The factory 255/75 Good Year Wrangler R/Ts coasted much better (didn't
> lose speed so fast). I am using the same inflation rates for both
> tires, per Ford specs, and per Dunlop's recommendation. I am using the
> stock 7" XLT rims. Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Jordan Rautiola
> '99 XLT F150 4x4 SC LB 5.4L w/cap averaging 12mpg lightfooting it
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:45:49 -0500
From: Russ Burns
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fan clutch and fuel economy

I am not too fond of the thermostatic fan clutch's. If your radiator
becomes particaly blocked, there is not enough heat to engage the fan the
engine will overheat.

russ



At 04:02 PM 2/27/99 PST, you wrote:
>The previous posting I sent didn't seem to go in, so I'm trying again.
>FAN CLUTCH - does anyone know of a thermostatic fan clutch (only blows
>air when hot) that directly replaces the standard fuel-robbing clutch
>that is standard on our trucks? FUEL ECONOMY - Also, has anyone
>experienced a loss in fuel economy when going from standard size tires
>to 285/75s? I have Dunlop Radial Rovers and even without calculating
>the fuel economy (when I do I add 8% for the taller tires), I can FEEL
>the rolling resistance is much higher now than before, just by observing
>the coasting characteristics when letting off the gas at highway speeds.....


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