97up-list-digest Saturday, February 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 055



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg
FTE 97up - Re: What are signal/signalized mirrors?
FTE 97up - Re:Smoking Smell
FTE 97up - Re: Re:Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
FTE 97up - Dirty Trick Update!
FTE 97up - looking for 96'/97/ dually info PLEASE!
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - Signal Mirror Price
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg
Re: FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg
FTE 97up - Cows
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - Dealership service
Re: FTE 97up - Dealership service
FTE 97up - Dealership service -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - Milage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual
Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Milage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual
RE: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Signal Mirror Price
Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
FTE 97up - Weird Heater?
RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ranger vs F150 vs SD 4x4

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:42:48 -0500
From: "John Luft"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

Just got back from a long trip (PA to southern GA) averaged about 70-75mph
the whole way. Only have about 2500 miles on the truck so it may improve
but I got between 11.5 and 14 during the trip. City driving has been around
9. I haven't towed our 7000+ lbs camper yet but when I do, I'll post the
mileage.

John Luft
1999 F-250 SD V10 CC SB 4x4 XLT 3.73(no ls) Tow package cab-high cap (just
fits in the garage!)

>>> Gene Ball 02/25/99 07:37PM >>>
I have the V10 also!
According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
highway!
I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of
it,
at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
Gene Ball Chicago IL.

Keith Veren wrote:

>
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 587.0
> Max: 8.741 MPG
> Min: 5.488 MPG
> Cum. Ave: 7.272 MPG
> (Std Dev.: 1.221 MPG)
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:38:40 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg

My V-10 gets about 10.5 mpg with no load and about 80% city driving. I do not push it too hard yet. I think I will wait
until the engine breaks in first.

Not to preach and with due respect to keith who routinely posts very informative stuff. Next time you top off your
tank think about the old people and the children with athsma who really suffer when the air quality goes to sh$#
because of the high Ozone levels directly caused by excess VOC's.





George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:13:53 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: What are signal/signalized mirrors?

George asked "What are signal/signalized mirrors?"

Check out any Expedition Eddie Bauer from behind turning. As long as they
USE their turn signals you will see a large arrow on the mirrors also. The
driver inside can't see them unless they press ther face against the side
window. (So if you see that, too, they are not necessarily mentally
deficient)
Mike

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:26:12 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Smoking Smell

I hesitated to mention this, BUT, several years ago a friend of mine took
his Ford truck that had under 2K miles on it in for warranty work and had
it returned to him with over 600 more miles on it and cigarette burns in the
seat and carpet. The dealer was none to happy to have to replace the items
AND provide an adjustment for the miles (Don't recall what) but they finally
did it. This was before the GREAT ANTI SMOKING campaign but my friend did
not smoke nor would he allow others to do so in his NEW truck. Turns out
some of the younger mechanics thought they were having fun with a demo for
the weekend.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:40:12 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

SNIP
extra
MPG. I will also go with a cap, topper, shell, or whatever they are called
and get A/C.>

Julian, Do not get the "camper shell" for mileage reasons. On a previous
pickup (granted an underpowered mini) I had I noticeably LOST mpg with the
shell at highway speeds. I think it had something to do with the suction
forces of the large flat back. A hard tonneou (sp?) is the best route for
mpg. Course the kids and dogs won't want to travel under it! ;^)
Mike

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:47:30 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dirty Trick Update!

Well things have been moving fast since my 4-1/2 months in waiting for
Super Duty was sold by my dealer on the day it came in to another
customer.

The dealer was able to cash in the favor owed him by Ford, and expedite
another order of the same truck. I now have a new VIN and delivery date,
March 22, 1999. What surprises me is at the speed that all this happened,
all in one week! And a total of just five weeks from submitting the new order
to delivery. I couldn't believe the dealer, so I called Ford Customer Care, and
they confirmed the VIN and due date.

And this is a first too, the dealer has called me with every update! I'm
starting to believe him when he says it was an "honest mistake".

By-the-way, it won't be exactly the same truck, I made a slight change by
switching engines, from the V10 to the V8 Power Stroke Diesel. This was
the one I wanted all along but couldn't afford. Now I have the money and
given another opportunity to submit a new order, I went for it.

All's well that end well, but I'm not going to "light the cigar" not just yet
until
I have the keys to my new truck locked tightly in my hand.

Charles.

On order (again), F250 Super Duty Lariat SC SB 4x4 PSD Auto 3.73LS ESOF.

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:53:24 EST
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - looking for 96'/97/ dually info PLEASE!

I am looking for brochures, pamplets, videos, TV videos, etc. on 1996/1997
Ford Dually trucks (w or/ wo Power Stroke). I collect this stuff. Also old
dealership "salesmans handbooks" and the like from MY 96'/97'

Does anybody have any of this stuff thats "collecting dust"? I would really
like to have and will compensate for postage costs. Please mail to:

Randy Sottile
P.O. Box 460836
Escondido, CA. 92046

Thanks in advance guys!
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:00:12 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I had a "shells" (cab height) on two different trucks. I small Toyota 4x4,
a Ranger 4x2 and a GMC C1500. I did not notice a decrease in mileage. Nor
did I notice an increase in mileage when I removed them from the Toy or
GMC. In the Toy, I actually got an extra MPG when I put the topper on it.

Given that I do haul equipment around, I am going to need a shell. But it
will be cab height, I'll have to really watch the mileage this time.

- -Julian

At 10:40 02/26/99 -0500, you wrote:
>SNIP
>extra
>MPG. I will also go with a cap, topper, shell, or whatever they are called
>and get A/C.>
>
>Julian, Do not get the "camper shell" for mileage reasons. On a previous
>pickup (granted an underpowered mini) I had I noticeably LOST mpg with the
>shell at highway speeds. I think it had something to do with the suction
>forces of the large flat back. A hard tonneou (sp?) is the best route for
>mpg. Course the kids and dogs won't want to travel under it! ;^)
>Mike
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:06:10 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I got an Email back from the manufacture.

Q: Will you be offering them for the Ford Super Duty, F-350.

A: Currently we are evaluating the Super Duty. We have found the
installation to be quite lengthy, about 2.5 hours and the kit could
possibly be very expensive because of its large size--$350.00+. As market
research, I have been asking those who request these mirrors how much they
would be willing to pay and whether or not the install time will affect
their purchase decision. Please let me know your feedback.


Q: What is the price for a set for a F-150?

A: The cost for the complete kit is $199.00.



At 19:11 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>How about we all e-mail the manufacturer and inquire as to when we can
>expect signal mirrors for our Super Dutys? The squeaky wheels get the
>grease!
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:28:25 -0600
From: "Hoffer, John"
Subject: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

Howdy Friends-
Please forgive me for beating a thoroughly dead horse, but I'm having
trouble getting the info out of the archives (certainly my own fault). What
kind of mileage are you folks getting out of the 5.4l F-250 SD's? I found
one (on the lot!) that has really grabbed my attention, and part of the
sales pitch to the wife has to include gas mileage. Particularly, any
positive testimonials about F-250 SD XLT SC Shortbed 4X4 4.10 (nonLS) 5.4l
5spd would also be a great help.

Thanks in advance, and thanks to the webmaster(s) and contributors for such
a great forum!

JohnH - Houston,TX
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:14:48 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I received a reply too. When asked how much I would be willing to pay for
the mirrors, I thought it reminiscence of what a car salesman might ask. I said
put that way I would like it for free. But seriously, I continued, I'm sure
there
are enough of us out there to make it worth their while to manufacture these
mirrors. Provided the price was reasonable (not expecting it to be cheap).

I forgot to ask which type of Super Duty mirrors are we talking about, tow
mirrors or regular style (both power). When she indicated the "large size",
was she speaking about the tow-mirrors only?

Charles.


JJ Thomas wrote:

> I got an Email back from the manufacture.
>
> Q: Will you be offering them for the Ford Super Duty, F-350.
>
> A: Currently we are evaluating the Super Duty. We have found the
> installation to be quite lengthy, about 2.5 hours and the kit could
> possibly be very expensive because of its large size--$350.00+. As market
> research, I have been asking those who request these mirrors how much they
> would be willing to pay and whether or not the install time will affect
> their purchase decision. Please let me know your feedback.
>
> Q: What is the price for a set for a F-150?
>
> A: The cost for the complete kit is $199.00.
>
> At 19:11 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >How about we all e-mail the manufacturer and inquire as to when we can
> >expect signal mirrors for our Super Dutys? The squeaky wheels get the
> >grease!
> >
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kwmuth.com/Default.htm
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:08:49 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: FTE 97up - Signal Mirror Price

Been thinking about them for my new 99 F150. What are the prices that
people have been finding them at? And who installed them? (I know they
recommend a professional)

Thanks,
Ryan
Intranet Specialist
Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
Allen Systems Group
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:13:26 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I thought about getting the manual tranny, but when snowplowing you really
have to shift constantly (esp. 1st or 2nd to reverse) and practically live
on the clutch. My last plow truck ('83 Chevy Pick-up K20) had a 350 V-8 and
manual tranny, it was exhausting to plow with that. Automatics are also
much better than they used to be, I do not think you will get that much
better mileage (maybe 1 or 2 MPG, I guess).


Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: JJ Thomas
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle


>Thanks. I am the same, neither lite nor heavy footed.
>
>If I go with the SD, I'll get the manual tranny. That should add and extra
>MPG. I will also go with a cap, topper, shell, or whatever they are called
>and get A/C.
>
>-Julian
>
>At 19:30 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>-Julian, I do not consider myself a lite foot or a heavy foot!
>>I do let the truck coast into stops! Saves gas and breaks and what ever
else!
>>But I do take off a little hard at times, just cause it feels good!
>>No, I haven't made any engine modifications!
>>I did add a vinyl tarp to the bed, I also had the dealer lower the back
>>of it to sit level, at no cost to me!
>>I do belive both of theses changes may have helped the mpg alittle!
>>I will say this, if guys are getting 5-8 mpg with 3.73 gears, they are
>running
>>HARD!
>>I am sure I could get the same mpg if I tried!
>>I am sure I could get better than I am getting, If I tried!!!
>>99 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat V10 3.73LS
>>Gene Ball
>>
>>
>>JJ Thomas wrote:
>>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:26:06 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg

The trick is to fill the tank slowly as it gets towards full and stop when
you can see the gas level near the top. You are correct in that you do not
want to spill gas by overfilling! Also, immediately after I fill the tank I
cap it and start the engine, and I burn -off about 2 gallons driving my
normal route home. By the time I park the truck(s) the fuels tank(s) are
well below full.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg


>My V-10 gets about 10.5 mpg with no load and about 80% city driving. I do
not push it too hard yet. I think I will wait
>until the engine breaks in first.
>
>Not to preach and with due respect to keith who routinely posts very
informative stuff. Next time you top off your
>tank think about the old people and the children with athsma who really
suffer when the air quality goes to sh$#
>because of the high Ozone levels directly caused by excess VOC's.
>
>
>
>
>
>George Croll
>EPA-OAR-ARD
>(202)564-0162
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:49:19 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 v-10 mileage = 10.5 mpg

In a message dated 2/26/99 1:27:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Spectrum-
EHS worldnet.att.net writes:

>
Could you tell me why some 1999 SD have overhead fuel & compass while others
have that plus outside temp as well? Will Ford replace my unit with the
correct one ? thanks rich
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:54:57 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cows

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I couldn't resist.

Keith


Friday February 26 9:57 AM ET

Motorist Killed In Freak Accident
VACAVILLE, Calif. (Reuters) - A motorist was killed when an airborne cow
smashed through the windshield of his pickup truck, striking him in the
head, authorities said Thursday.

The California Highway Patrol said the 750-pound (340-kg), 1-1/2-year-old
heifer wandered onto a road during stormy weather Wednesday night in an
unincorporated area of Solano County about 50 miles (80 km) northeast of San
Francisco.

A 1983 Mercedes-Benz traveling north on the road hit the animal, sending it
hurtling into the air and into the path of the Toyota pickup, which was
traveling south. The cow fell through the windshield and killed the driver,
who was wearing a seat belt.

After hitting the pickup, the heifer was thrown onto the southbound lane and
was hit by another Toyota pickup.

``This is about as freaky an accident as you can imagine,'' CHP Officer
Chris Linehan said in an interview.


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:44:34 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I assume the towing mirrors. I belive the regular mirrors are the same as
the ones on the F150's. Aren't they?

- -Julian

At 11:14 02/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I received a reply too. When asked how much I would be willing to pay for
>the mirrors, I thought it reminiscence of what a car salesman might ask. I
said
>put that way I would like it for free. But seriously, I continued, I'm sure
>there
>are enough of us out there to make it worth their while to manufacture these
>mirrors. Provided the price was reasonable (not expecting it to be cheap).
>
>I forgot to ask which type of Super Duty mirrors are we talking about, tow
>mirrors or regular style (both power). When she indicated the "large size",
>was she speaking about the tow-mirrors only?
>
>Charles.
>
>
>JJ Thomas wrote:
>
>> I got an Email back from the manufacture.
>>
>> Q: Will you be offering them for the Ford Super Duty, F-350.
>>
>> A: Currently we are evaluating the Super Duty. We have found the
>> installation to be quite lengthy, about 2.5 hours and the kit could
>> possibly be very expensive because of its large size--$350.00+. As market
>> research, I have been asking those who request these mirrors how much they
>> would be willing to pay and whether or not the install time will affect
>> their purchase decision. Please let me know your feedback.
>>
>> Q: What is the price for a set for a F-150?
>>
>> A: The cost for the complete kit is $199.00.
>>
>> At 19:11 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>> >How about we all e-mail the manufacturer and inquire as to when we can
>> >expect signal mirrors for our Super Dutys? The squeaky wheels get the
>> >grease!
>> >
>> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kwmuth.com/Default.htm
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:50:39 -0600
From: sseeplane juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

Here's a site with a suggested way to adjust your mirrors so that you
minimize the "blind" spots.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motorists.org/issues/safety/adjust_mirrors.html

I've been using this method for almost 10 years after reading a similar
article in a Chevron newsletter written by a company safety professional.
It takes awhile to get use to the new field of view, especially after so
many years of adjusting the mirrors like I was taught in driver's ed
(yes, they did have rear view mirrors back then..haha). Now I (and the
wife) never drive without the mirrors set this way. And I get a much
better view of those beemers and accuras slipping up along side me on the
4/8-lane.

Could save you a few bucks and a surprise encounter or two.

Steve
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:08:05 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I don't think so? The regular style Super Duty mirrors appear to be slightly
larger than the F150s; then again, it may be just the housing that's different.
Guess we need clarification from Signal Mirror, on what Super Duty mirrors
their talking about.

Charles.

JJ Thomas wrote:

> I assume the towing mirrors. I belive the regular mirrors are the same as
> the ones on the F150's. Aren't they?
>
> -Julian
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:16:18 -0800
From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dealership service

I'm shopping around at dealerships for the best deal on an F-150 4x4.
My question is, if I don't buy from my local dealer, what kind of service
can I
expect from them? Are they obligated to service my new truck, or do I have
to go to the dealer from which I bought it?
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:51:59 EST
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealership service

In a message dated 2/26/99 4:27:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Jaye.Jarchow intermec.com writes:


to go to the dealer from which I bought it? >>

They will all gladly do the warranty work, they get paid for it from Ford.

Atilla
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:39:15 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Dealership service -Reply

Why not find the best deal you can on the truck you want and then contact your local dealer and put it to them.

I am planning on coming to you for service on the new truck I want but this other dealer is offering me a better deal.
Tell your local dealer if he/she matches the better deal that you will buy form him/her. The local dealer should match
whatever deal you find knowing you will be coming in for service and that you will also be a repeat buyer. Get the
best of both worlds.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:50:14 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

Hi,

I've only checked my mpg twice since I've
owned my 99 SD F250 SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4. The first time it pulled
13.5 mpg with 70% highway and approx. 100 or so miles on engine.
The second time (with more miles on the engine)
15.8 60/40 highway/mountain roads.
I did notice this winter my mpg has gone down
but I figure its the "winter fuel".

Since I have the 3.73 ratio, and the truck your
looking at has 4.10's your going to get alittle
less than the 3.73. (it says here in fine print)
IMHO, the 5.4 (and most engines) are real touchy
depending on how heavy you are on the go pedal.
The 5.4 loves rpm's. Which is great for power but
not for mpg.
If your wife is that concerned about mpg, you may
be dead in the water...Sorry...

Vaughn
99 SD F250 SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4





Howdy Friends-
Please forgive me for beating a thoroughly dead horse, but I'm
having trouble getting the info out of the archives (certainly
my own fault). What kind of mileage are you folks getting out
of the 5.4l F-250 SD's? I found one (on the lot!) that has
really grabbed my attention, and part of the sales pitch to the
wife has to include gas mileage. Particularly, any positive
testimonials about F-250 SD XLT SC Shortbed 4X4 4.10 (nonLS)
5.4l 5spd would also be a great help.

Thanks in advance, and thanks to the webmaster(s) and
contributors for such a great forum!

JohnH - Houston,TX
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:18:32 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I read the "mirror-adjusting" method on the web page and agree that the
"wider" view can be helpful; however, the one safety factor in favor of
being able to see an edge (even a tiny piece) of your own vehicle in each
side mirror is that you know instantly if the mirrors have been re-adjusted
or moved. If you set the outside mirrors so that cannot see any part of
your vehicle in them, and the mirrors get re-aligned or moved (e.g., by
someone bumping into them in a parking lot, the carwash, kids, etc.) you may
not be able to quickly tell that they are pointing in the wrong direction
and not allowing you see the area you should be seeing!!


Keith

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Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors


>Here's a site with a suggested way to adjust your mirrors so that you
>minimize the "blind" spots.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motorists.org/issues/safety/adjust_mirrors.html
>
>I've been using this method for almost 10 years after reading a similar
>article in a Chevron newsletter written by a company safety professional.
> It takes awhile to get use to the new field of view, especially after so
>many years of adjusting the mirrors like I was taught in driver's ed
>(yes, they did have rear view mirrors back then..haha). Now I (and the
>wife) never drive without the mirrors set this way. And I get a much
>better view of those beemers and accuras slipping up along side me on the
>4/8-lane.
>
>Could save you a few bucks and a surprise encounter or two.
>
>Steve
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:25:10 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

The standard mirrors on the SD are not the same as the 150's. If they were
I'd have taken a set home with me to install this weekend.

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:27:41 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: FTE 97up - Milage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual

I though I'd chime in with my milage:

12/26/9868Dealer Paid first tank - amounts unknown
12/27/9854326.86$25.490.9547517.68
12/27/9894523.72$21.090.8940216.95
12/30/98139127.22$26.100.9644616.39Diamond Shamrock - Jones/1960
01/08/99179625.07$27.561.1040516.15Texaco Huffmeister
01/16/99223127.691$27.110.9843515.71Telge Chevron
01/28/99266826.95$25.310.9443716.22Punched Out Cat
02/07/99310827.62$0.980.0444015.93Chevron - In Town Driving
02/16/99352224.94$0.960.0441416.60Changed OIL at 3400 miles with
mobil1 synth
02/23/99395625.284$0.900.0443417.17Diamond Shamrock - Fry Road

Average of 16.58 mpg. The only modification is the removal of the Cat and
milage has gone up since then. Otherwise all stock.

david

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:29:24 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

I can't speak for the configuration that you are asking about, but my 250SD
CC 2x4 with the 5.4L, 3.73 rear end, and auto trans. is averaging 15.5
highway. It only has 1400 miles on it. It may improve slightly.

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:40:15 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

Hi
My 99 F250 4X4 5.4L 5 speed turned 1000 Mi today.

Long box reg cab....3.73 gears

70 MPH all cruise.

I checked the mileage over the 500 Mi I did today, All highway, and it
was 14 on the nose...

Good luck with the wife...The truck is great on the road.

Frank


>From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:50:14 4
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>
>
>
>Howdy Friends-
>Please forgive me for beating a thoroughly dead horse, but I'm
>having trouble getting the info out of the archives (certainly
>my own fault). What kind of mileage are you folks getting out
>of the 5.4l F-250 SD's? I found one (on the lot!) that has
>really grabbed my attention, and part of the sales pitch to the
>wife has to include gas mileage. Particularly, any positive
>testimonials about F-250 SD XLT SC Shortbed 4X4 4.10 (nonLS)
>5.4l 5spd would also be a great help.
>
>Thanks in advance, and thanks to the webmaster(s) and
>contributors for such a great forum!
>
>JohnH - Houston,TX
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:26:16 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Milage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual

In a message dated 99-02-26 19:32:03 EST, you write:


how difficult was it to punch it out? i have on order some 5in. exhaust and
might as well do it when i do that. Did you use the fence pole method? :)

Ross S.

I though I'd chime in with my milage:

12/26/9868Dealer Paid first tank - amounts unknown
12/27/9854326.86$25.490.9547517.68
12/27/9894523.72$21.090.8940216.95
12/30/98139127.22$26.100.9644616.39Diamond Shamrock - Jones/1960
01/08/99179625.07$27.561.1040516.15Texaco Huffmeister
01/16/99223127.691$27.110.9843515.71Telge Chevron
01/28/99266826.95$25.310.9443716.22Punched Out Cat
02/07/99310827.62$0.980.0444015.93Chevron - In Town Driving
02/16/99352224.94$0.960.0441416.60Changed OIL at 3400 miles with
mobil1 synth
02/23/99395625.284$0.900.0443417.17Diamond Shamrock - Fry Road

Average of 16.58 mpg. The only modification is the removal of the Cat and
milage has gone up since then. Otherwise all stock.

david
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:31:29 -0600
From: "Hoffer, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

Thanks for the responses. This is about what I had figured - the Mrs. was
worried I would be running sub-10 mpg's unloaded. Around 13 to 15 highway
is certainly acceptable to her. I'm usually light on it on the highway, so
these might be close to what I'd get.

Hmmmm.... How insane is it to try to get the dealer to swap the 4.10 for
3.73's? Realizing that both front and rear would need to change, are they
both 8.8's or 9.5's or ??? I'm guessing that this is something they might
not do, and I'd have to order a truck (which is what I planned originally).
Towing would be less than 10% of the time, so 4.10 isn't a necessity.
That's the same reason I can't justify the V-10 or the PSD, if anyone was
wondering.

BTW - I drove this truck, and am VERY pleased with its character. Turns
better than expected, rides great, looks super, and man how about that low
end!

Thanks again,
JohnH - Houston,TX



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> I checked the mileage over the 500 Mi I did today, All highway, and it
> was 14 on the nose...
>
> Good luck with the wife...The truck is great on the road.
>
> Frank
>
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:33:01 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal Mirror Price

I think the price for the mirrors that fit the F150 are about 200$. If you
choose not to install them yourself, I'm sure your dealer or body shop would
be more than happy to do it. The glass shop (where I discovered these
aftermarket signal mirrors) said they were very easy to install (he had just
finished installing a set on a Suburban) and the instructions were very easy
to follow!

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:59:03 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 5.4l gas mileage

I believe you are correct in your assumption that the dealer would probably
not be interested in switching the differentials. I am no expert, but I
don't think you would see any great increase in fuel mileage by replacing
4.10's with 3.73 gears.

The decision to buy the 5.4L over the V-10 or a PSD is a tough choice to
make. I had to struggle with the same decision along with the problem of
2x4 or 4x4. Naturally I wanted everything! After looking at reality, I
couldn't justify the PSD or 4x4. (I just sold my 89 F250 XLT supercab 4x4
7.3L diesel with 41,000 miles) I could not justify the cost of the PSD when
the truck only gets about 4000 miles put on it a year. As for the 4x4
option, it would be nice for the one time it might get used every year when
we get a couple of inches of snow, but there is a 96 4x4 Ranger supercab
sitting right next to the SD that does a fine job.

Good luck with your decisions! I don't think you will be unhappy with the
5.4L

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:19:34 -0500
From: "Joel Sturm"
Subject: FTE 97up - Weird Heater?

I drive a '97 4.2 XL(S) Regular cab and box. I'm in Ontario, so the winters
are winters.

For the last few weeks, I haven't had much heat. The truck is parked outside
all night, and then gets a short warmup and then a fast run at 120km/h
(about 75mph) for about twelve kms. Then, it's back to suburban driving for
about twenty minutes.

Anyway, when the heat is full up, the cab never gets warm. The air coming
from the floor vents is chilly.

Now, the strange part. When I lower the heat so that the knob indicator is
pointing about 2 o clock, the heat comes on more fully. When I put it on
full heat
again, the temp drops off to chilly.

I always thought that when the heat is up full, the heat should be hottest.
This is new to me. By the way, I checked the coolant level and it is fine.
The temp gauge shows lower than middle, but not cold.

I don't remember having this problem earlier in the winter, or last winter,
or the winter before.

This seems to be a development that has "snuck up on me" during this
winter.

What could be wrong?

I thought I'd contact the real experts before I try
to explain this to the dealer people.

Joel Sturm
Thornhill, Ont.


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:41:25 -0600
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Mileage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual

The catalytic converter isn't easy to get out... The hard part is getting it
loose from the underside. I tried a 50# tamping bar but with no success. I
switched to a 1/2" wood boring bit on the end of an extension (two actually
extensions) to "bore" out a major portion and then used the bar to finish
off the rest. There was some still left around the edges since it is a
vessel.

David

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Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:26 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Milage of f250SD 4x4 CC PSD Manual


In a message dated 99-02-26 19:32:03 EST, you write:


how difficult was it to punch it out? i have on order some 5in. exhaust and
might as well do it when i do that. Did you use the fence pole method? :)

Ross S.

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:42:13 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ranger vs F150 vs SD 4x4

JJ Thomas wrote:

> The Ranger has back seat? I really cannot see anyone sitting in them.
>
> Do you know of anyone that makes after market fuel tanks for the Ranger?
>
> I did not know that there was that much aftermarket stuff available for the
> Ranger.
>....


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