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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: speed limiter(chips vs. warranty)
RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - After Market Air Filter Opinions
Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD
Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD
RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - Chips
Re: FTE 97up - Chips
Re: FTE 97up - Chips
FTE 97up - Smoking Smell
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - fuel milage
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - fuel milage
Re: FTE 97up - fuel milage
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
FTE 97up - Picked Up My New F350... Beat This Price!!
FTE 97up - Fan Clutch failure
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
Re: FTE 97up - Smoking Smell
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - Recalls - was SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit
Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:22:46 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: speed limiter(chips vs. warranty)

Most aftermarket chips (ALL the ones by the larger companies) are usually
advertised as easily installed and easily REMOVED for warranty work. If the
vehicle starts acting up, remove the chip & try it without to confirm the
problem, then call your dealer for the warranty work. The chips are the only
way I've heard of to change the high speed cutout.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:11:21 -0600
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

What are signal/signalized mirrors?

George

- -----Original Message-----
From: JJ Thomas [mailto:djjthomas seanet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 11:27 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors


I sent an Email to see if they will offer them for SD's. I think the
mirrors are great.


At 17:10 02/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I was in a glass store today and saw a display for aftermarket signalized
>mirrors. There are mirrors available for many vehicles, unfortunately none
>yet for my Super Duty! Bummer! Here is the link if you would like to see
>if there is a mirror for your vehicle.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kwmuth.com/Default.htm
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:17:54 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

Although you, as the vehicle operator, can't see any difference, folks that
are traveling behind you will see a turn signal indication in your side
mirrors.

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Rigney [mailto:George.Rigney WSNelson.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:11 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors


What are signal/signalized mirrors?

George

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From: JJ Thomas [mailto:djjthomas seanet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 11:27 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors


I sent an Email to see if they will offer them for SD's. I think the
mirrors are great.


At 17:10 02/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I was in a glass store today and saw a display for aftermarket signalized
>mirrors. There are mirrors available for many vehicles, unfortunately none
>yet for my Super Duty! Bummer! Here is the link if you would like to see
>if there is a mirror for your vehicle.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kwmuth.com/Default.htm
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:26:46 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - After Market Air Filter Opinions

Brad Ridgway wrote:
>
> Do the claims for such products hold true to those who have them
> Mainly:
> 1) increased miages
> 2) more HP???
>
> Recommendations? What about the chips?
> I know this has to have come across here before but I'm a very newbie!!!
>
> Thanks!
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Brad,

In 1997 one of the truck magazines did a test of a Borla
exhaust and a K&N air filter on a 97 F-150 with a 4.6L V8.
The Borla gave them about 10 extra HP and the K&N 3 HP. I
have a K&N and a Borla on my 97 F-150. The Borla was bought
for the sound and the extra HP, the K&N was bought for the
ease of cleaning. I play in the sand and after every romp I
empty out about 1 cup of sand from the filter. I also have
a Suprechips chip in the truck. I would estimate an
increase of 1 mpg. I did not keep an accurate log of the
mileage but on long trips I would some times calculate it.
IMHO the reason for buying these items is for the increased
power not the MPG's.

Regards

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:46:10 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD

I just put the TuffCountry 3" front lift on my '00 F-350 / SuperDuty / V-10
/ 4X4 / SuperCab / Longbed / ......etc.....to even it out so it sits level
and so when I plow, the front end does not go down. It does this perfectly.
I had a long time to fully examine the springs and seemed quite well built,
balanced and both were arched perfectly even to each other. They have the
Teflon between the leaves and ride great. Maybe you have not seen this kit,
but I am happy with it and I have "re-sprung" many vehicles.


Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bailey
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD


>I've seen both the 4" National Spring's and the Tuff Country . Not
impressed
>with any Tuff Country products. Our local Four Wheel Parts Performance
>Center sells all major brands, if you purchase National Springs you have to
>use Pro Comp panhard bar relocation brackets and extended swaybar drop
>links, the only thing is the spring pack has 10 leafs, it's a very nice
>spring pack but seems a bit much, the one truck I've seem with these
springs
>installed is a PSD CC LB with a Warn 12000lb winch mounted with a semi
>hidden winch mount. The owner says it rides great but it seems a little
>stiff to me.
>I also have a 99 SD SC LB V-10 and have done some research on AM wheels. So
>far Weld seems to be about the only one making wheels for this goofy bolt
>pattern. I was talking to the manager of a local Les Schwab Tire Store
about
>wheels, he informed me that Ultra will be making wheels that look similar
to
>the 5 spoke style premium wheels that are available from Ford for the
>duallies. The Ultra's are supposed to run about $125 each which is about
>half the cost of the Weld's.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Mattb
>-----Original Message-----
>From: GEORGE CROLL
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:30 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD
>
>
>>Anyone out there lifted their SD. currently several aftermarket kits are
>available including Pro Comp (4" lift with dual
>>shock option, about 1000) Tuff country ( I think they have a 4" lift for
>about 600) Superlift (4 and 6" with a multiple
>>shock option I think) National Spring is making springs but I don't have
>any idea of what they cost. I have heard great
>>things about National but I have heard they are really expensive. I even
>think Rancho might have one. Has anyone
>>tried any of these lifts and if so how do they ride. I want to get a 4"
>lift which does not alter my stock ride
>>substantially and which retains decent steering. I am also interested in
>who makes wheels which will fit the new SD
>>trucks as there are not many out there. Does Weld make SD wheels now?
>>
>>Finally why are there not more 16 inch rims available. 16.5 inch rims are
>much more common for larger trucks but
>>they don't have safety beads so you really can't air down with confidence
>on a 16.5 in wheel. Does anyone know
>>of a good 16 inch wheel and 35 in tire combination for the SD trucks. I
>don't want swampers, MT baja belteds or
>>bogggers on my truck as they wear out too fast but I would like a good
>looking tire. any suggestions? Looks good
>>and wears good to boot with respectable off road abilities.
>>
>>Thanks
>>George
>>99 F-250 SD V-10
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:35:08 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD

Sorry, I meant to say '99 F-350, not '00!!!

Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD


>I just put the TuffCountry 3" front lift on my '00 F-350 / SuperDuty / V-10
>/ 4X4 / SuperCab / Longbed / ......etc.....to even it out so it sits level
>and so when I plow, the front end does not go down. It does this
perfectly.
>I had a long time to fully examine the springs and seemed quite well built,
>balanced and both were arched perfectly even to each other. They have the
>Teflon between the leaves and ride great. Maybe you have not seen this
kit,
>but I am happy with it and I have "re-sprung" many vehicles.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Bailey
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 10:48 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD
>
>
>>I've seen both the 4" National Spring's and the Tuff Country . Not
>impressed
>>with any Tuff Country products. Our local Four Wheel Parts Performance
>>Center sells all major brands, if you purchase National Springs you have
to
>>use Pro Comp panhard bar relocation brackets and extended swaybar drop
>>links, the only thing is the spring pack has 10 leafs, it's a very nice
>>spring pack but seems a bit much, the one truck I've seem with these
>springs
>>installed is a PSD CC LB with a Warn 12000lb winch mounted with a semi
>>hidden winch mount. The owner says it rides great but it seems a little
>>stiff to me.
>>I also have a 99 SD SC LB V-10 and have done some research on AM wheels.
So
>>far Weld seems to be about the only one making wheels for this goofy bolt
>>pattern. I was talking to the manager of a local Les Schwab Tire Store
>about
>>wheels, he informed me that Ultra will be making wheels that look similar
>to
>>the 5 spoke style premium wheels that are available from Ford for the
>>duallies. The Ultra's are supposed to run about $125 each which is about
>>half the cost of the Weld's.
>>
>>Hope this helps
>>
>>Mattb
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: GEORGE CROLL
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:30 AM
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD
>>
>>
>>>Anyone out there lifted their SD. currently several aftermarket kits are
>>available including Pro Comp (4" lift with dual
>>>shock option, about 1000) Tuff country ( I think they have a 4" lift for
>>about 600) Superlift (4 and 6" with a multiple
>>>shock option I think) National Spring is making springs but I don't have
>>any idea of what they cost. I have heard great
>>>things about National but I have heard they are really expensive. I even
>>think Rancho might have one. Has anyone
>>>tried any of these lifts and if so how do they ride. I want to get a 4"
>>lift which does not alter my stock ride
>>>substantially and which retains decent steering. I am also interested in
>>who makes wheels which will fit the new SD
>>>trucks as there are not many out there. Does Weld make SD wheels now?
>>>
>>>Finally why are there not more 16 inch rims available. 16.5 inch rims
are
>>much more common for larger trucks but
>>>they don't have safety beads so you really can't air down with confidence
>>on a 16.5 in wheel. Does anyone know
>>>of a good 16 inch wheel and 35 in tire combination for the SD trucks. I
>>don't want swampers, MT baja belteds or
>>>bogggers on my truck as they wear out too fast but I would like a good
>>looking tire. any suggestions? Looks good
>>>and wears good to boot with respectable off road abilities.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>George
>>>99 F-250 SD V-10
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:49:19 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

They are mirror with a built in turn signal. When you activate your turn
signal, a blinking arrow appears in your mirror. Somebody beside you will
see the arrow, but you do not. Check out the web page, is give a great
illustration! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kwmuth.com/Default.htm

I originally thought they were the latest in fads that need to die away.
But I saw one in action, I was a little behind and beside somebody that had
them. It gave me a clear indication of what his/her intentions were.

- -Julian

At 08:11 02/25/99 -0600, you wrote:
>What are signal/signalized mirrors?
>
>George
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:00:59 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Chips

To All,

IMHO Chips for gas engine show little to no improvement in power or mileage.
And that is with high grade gasoline being used. On the other hand, chips for
diesels make a big improvement. I have owned chips for each application, the
diesel chips do the job.

John Patterson
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:15:20 EST
From: "Christian Bagley"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chips

I put a Superchip in my 4.6L and it made a big difference in power.


>From: JPatte5238 aol.com
>Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:00:59 EST
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - Chips
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>
>To All,
>
>IMHO Chips for gas engine show little to no improvement in power or
mileage.
>And that is with high grade gasoline being used. On the other hand,
chips for
>diesels make a big improvement. I have owned chips for each
application, the
>diesel chips do the job.
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:36:24 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chips

In my Vettes, the chip was worth 7 MPH top end, and 1/2 sec 1/4 mile.. also
improved 0-60, but no quantative data was taken. the chip in my Grand
National removed the 124MPH top end.. and the chip in my Iroc - Z
convertable gave me back the performance i lost when they wouldnt let me
order a 350 in a ragtop. (you had to order the 350 package, and take the
350 delete.. as GM wouldnt put a 350 in the Convertable camaros.)...

In my truck im happy with the performance of the v-6, it does what its
needed to.. i just wanna eliminate the stupid top speed limiter. guess ill
have to get the chip

>I put a Superchip in my 4.6L and it made a big difference in power.
>
>
>>From: JPatte5238 aol.com
>>Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:00:59 EST
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Chips
>>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>
>>To All,
>>
>>IMHO Chips for gas engine show little to no improvement in power or
>mileage.
>>And that is with high grade gasoline being used. On the other hand,
>chips for
>>diesels make a big improvement. I have owned chips for each
>application, the
>>diesel chips do the job.
>>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:42:51 EST
From: LOUISETUL aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Smoking Smell

In a message dated 2/25/99 12:23:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, FISHNG1 aol.com
writes:

> sive. I will be having
> them check out my T/C noise, automatic transmission shifting response, my
> air
> box and the strange burnt cigarette butt smell that I get in the morning
> when
> I go to work. ( I am not a smoker) I don't get the smell if I leave the


This will be a very interesting answer from the dealer. I have a '97 F250
Powerstroke. In the past week, several times I have got into the truck and
there is a burnt cigarette smell. Like you, neither one of us smokes and no
one who smokes has been in my truck. I will be waiting for that answer.

Louise
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:26:54 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

>
> Although you, as the vehicle operator, can't see any difference, folks that
> are traveling behind you will see a turn signal indication in your side
> mirrors.

Actually the main function of the mirrors is to warn a Geo Metro or other
tiny car who is about to jump in the breakdown lane that you are going to
turn, and that their car will be an accordian if they even think of trying.
(A smiley implied for the humor impaired here...)

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:46:31 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I have kept exact mileage for all our vehicles for some time now, ensuring
accuracy by slowly topping off each refill to the point where the gas is up
to the lip and you can see it and it does not gurgle down (full to the
brim). I measure mileage to one decimal (tenth's of a mile) and gas to the
thousandths of a gallon (x.xxx) as the pump displays it.

The numbers:

My Expy is a '98 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Rear Air / 17" wheels /
etc.
Note: I really enjoy the 5.4L and love to squash the gas pedal, especially
when ramping onto an Interstate, etc. On long trips, cruising speed is 75 to
82 MPH) Minimum mileage was from spending a lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.
Total Miles on Vehicle: 12,303.7
Max: 13.573 MPG
Min: 8.987 MPG
Cum. Ave: 11.716 MPG
(Std Dev.: 0.993 MPG)
____________________________________________

My wife's Explorer is a '98 / 5.0L V-8 / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / All Wheel
Drive (All the Time)
Tow Package / ...etc....
Note: She really really enjoys the 5.0L and loves to squash the gas pedal,
but not nearly as often as I do. Have not taken any long trips it, so we
don't have a true highway mileage yet.

Total Miles on Vehicle: 5,769.9
Max: 14.087 MPG
Min: 12.063 MPG
Cum. Ave: 13.359 MPG
(Std Dev.: 0.594 MPG)

_____________________________________________

My Pickup Truck is a '99 F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS (glad I
did not get the 4.30LS!) / SuperCab / SRW / Longbed / Snowplow Package / Tow
Package / Off-Road Package
Note: As with the Expy, I really have enjoy the 6.8L V-10!. On long trips,
cruising speed is 75 to 82 MPH) Have not taken any long trips in it, so we
don't have a true highway mileage yet. Minimum mileage was from spending a
lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.

Total Miles on Vehicle: 587.0
Max: 8.741 MPG
Min: 5.488 MPG
Cum. Ave: 7.272 MPG
(Std Dev.: 1.221 MPG)

_____________________________________________

As you can see from the above numbers, the 3.73LS axle will not give you
great mileage, no matter what engine/vehicle combo you have. Of course,
your mileage may differ and be higher if you drive gently and do more
highway travelling. Still, the 3.73LS will not give you the mileage of a
3.23 or 3.55 no matter carefully how you drive.


Keith



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From: Roger E. Bannister
To: expedition intellisys.net
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: EXPEDITION: Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle


>Lemay, Kevin wrote:
>>
>> Any idea on how much the 3.73 hurts the fuel economy? We just bought a
1999
>> EB Expedition 4x2 with the towing package and 3.73 limited slip axle.
>>
>> We only have 250 miles, its only a week old, but the fuel economy
>> according to the on-board computer, is 11.2 for mostly city miles. I had
>> reset on the highway on the way home from the dealer and we were getting
>> 19-20 mpg.
>>
>
>I have a '98 EB Expy w/ the 5.4L and 3.73 according to the onboard
>computer I'm averaging 14 miles per gallon - I drive approx 750 miles
>per week mostly highway at an average speed of 115kmph (approx 70mph)
>
>Regards
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:45:02 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

In a message dated 99-02-25 16:33:37 EST, you write:


if that...i bet they would think twice before trying to run up on a truck, i
havehad many yield the right of way when they really had it.......Gotta love
given 'em little diesel smoke when they do ya wrong.

RS

Actually the main function of the mirrors is to warn a Geo Metro or other
tiny car who is about to jump in the breakdown lane that you are going to
turn, and that their car will be an accordian if they even think of trying.
(A smiley implied for the humor impaired here...)
>>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:05:08 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

>
> In a message dated 99-02-25 16:33:37 EST, you write:
>
>
> if that...i bet they would think twice before trying to run up on a truck, i
> havehad many yield the right of way when they really had it.......Gotta love
> given 'em little diesel smoke when they do ya wrong.

Just the thrumming of a diesel engine gives you right of way in a lot
of instances.

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:37:37 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I have the V10 also!
According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
highway!
I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of it,
at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
Gene Ball Chicago IL.

Keith Veren wrote:

> I have kept exact mileage for all our vehicles for some time now, ensuring
> accuracy by slowly topping off each refill to the point where the gas is up
> to the lip and you can see it and it does not gurgle down (full to the
> brim). I measure mileage to one decimal (tenth's of a mile) and gas to the
> thousandths of a gallon (x.xxx) as the pump displays it.
>
> The numbers:
>
> My Expy is a '98 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Rear Air / 17" wheels /
> etc.
> Note: I really enjoy the 5.4L and love to squash the gas pedal, especially
> when ramping onto an Interstate, etc. On long trips, cruising speed is 75 to
> 82 MPH) Minimum mileage was from spending a lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 12,303.7
> Max: 13.573 MPG
> Min: 8.987 MPG
> Cum. Ave: 11.716 MPG
> (Std Dev.: 0.993 MPG)
> ____________________________________________
>
> My wife's Explorer is a '98 / 5.0L V-8 / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / All Wheel
> Drive (All the Time)
> Tow Package / ...etc....
> Note: She really really enjoys the 5.0L and loves to squash the gas pedal,
> but not nearly as often as I do. Have not taken any long trips it, so we
> don't have a true highway mileage yet.
>
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 5,769.9
> Max: 14.087 MPG
> Min: 12.063 MPG
> Cum. Ave: 13.359 MPG
> (Std Dev.: 0.594 MPG)
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> My Pickup Truck is a '99 F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS (glad I
> did not get the 4.30LS!) / SuperCab / SRW / Longbed / Snowplow Package / Tow
> Package / Off-Road Package
> Note: As with the Expy, I really have enjoy the 6.8L V-10!. On long trips,
> cruising speed is 75 to 82 MPH) Have not taken any long trips in it, so we
> don't have a true highway mileage yet. Minimum mileage was from spending a
> lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.
>
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 587.0
> Max: 8.741 MPG
> Min: 5.488 MPG
> Cum. Ave: 7.272 MPG
> (Std Dev.: 1.221 MPG)
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> As you can see from the above numbers, the 3.73LS axle will not give you
> great mileage, no matter what engine/vehicle combo you have. Of course,
> your mileage may differ and be higher if you drive gently and do more
> highway travelling. Still, the 3.73LS will not give you the mileage of a
> 3.23 or 3.55 no matter carefully how you drive.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger E. Bannister
> To: expedition intellisys.net
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: EXPEDITION: Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
>
> >Lemay, Kevin wrote:
> >>
> >> Any idea on how much the 3.73 hurts the fuel economy? We just bought a
> 1999
> >> EB Expedition 4x2 with the towing package and 3.73 limited slip axle.
> >>
> >> We only have 250 miles, its only a week old, but the fuel economy
> >> according to the on-board computer, is 11.2 for mostly city miles. I had
> >> reset on the highway on the way home from the dealer and we were getting
> >> 19-20 mpg.
> >>
> >
> >I have a '98 EB Expy w/ the 5.4L and 3.73 according to the onboard
> >computer I'm averaging 14 miles per gallon - I drive approx 750 miles
> >per week mostly highway at an average speed of 115kmph (approx 70mph)
> >
> >Regards
> >--
> >Roger & Caroline Bannister - Greenhill Labradors
> >ICQ # 26747331
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:32:27 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

Actually you made a pretty good point. I was driving home one evening and
I signaled to move into the right lane. As I started to move over, I could
hear a horn honking. I aborted the lane changed. I took a good hard look
in the mirror as well as over my right shoulder. The lane appeared
unoccupied, I again started to move over. More honking. I did everything
but stop the truck and get out to look, and never saw anybody over there.
There was nobody in that lane. I made my third attempt to move over and
was again greeted with more horn honking. I again aborted the lane change.
About this time the person got a clue and decided to get out of the way.
Of course I was given the complimentary finger for my troubles. They were
driving a small sports car. The bicycle I had as a kid was bigger than
their dang car!!!

Near as I can figure, they were right next to my right rear tire. Trying
to read my tire size I guess.

My next truck is going to have a forward facing flood light right in front
of the rear tire. Maybe they will get the clue a little faster.

- -Julian

At 15:26 02/25/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>> Although you, as the vehicle operator, can't see any difference, folks that
>> are traveling behind you will see a turn signal indication in your side
>> mirrors.
>
>Actually the main function of the mirrors is to warn a Geo Metro or other
>tiny car who is about to jump in the breakdown lane that you are going to
>turn, and that their car will be an accordian if they even think of trying.
>(A smiley implied for the humor impaired here...)
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:37:38 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - fuel milage

F-250 Super cab long bed V-10 Auto 3.73 axle.
Overhead says solid 8 mpg. Total of 2100 miles.
90 % city driving, stop and go with a heavy foot.
Still to young and stupid to drive reasonably I guess.

I have 285/85 R16's that the computer isn't aware of yet.
So mileage should actually be a smidge higher.

PS Gas in Ketchikan, Alaska is 1.50 $/gal.

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:44:16 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

WOW!!! That's encouraging. I was giving some serious thought to the V10
but I keep hear that it only gets about 5-8 MPG. What type of driving are
you doing? Are you a light footed driver? Have you made any modifications
to the truck?

- -Julian

At 16:37 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have the V10 also!
>According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
>Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
>highway!
>I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of it,
>at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
>1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
>Gene Ball Chicago IL.

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:47:35 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I forgot to add that the 5.488 MPG on the F-350 V-10 included a good amount
of snowplowing.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: expedition intellisys.net
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle


>I have the V10 also!
>According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
>Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
>highway!
>I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of
it,
>at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
>1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
>Gene Ball Chicago IL.
>
>Keith Veren wrote:
>
>> I have kept exact mileage for all our vehicles for some time now,
ensuring
>> accuracy by slowly topping off each refill to the point where the gas is
up
>> to the lip and you can see it and it does not gurgle down (full to the
>> brim). I measure mileage to one decimal (tenth's of a mile) and gas to
the
>> thousandths of a gallon (x.xxx) as the pump displays it.
>>
>> The numbers:
>>
>> My Expy is a '98 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Rear Air / 17"
wheels /
>> etc.
>> Note: I really enjoy the 5.4L and love to squash the gas pedal,
especially
>> when ramping onto an Interstate, etc. On long trips, cruising speed is 75
to
>> 82 MPH) Minimum mileage was from spending a lot of the tank in 4-wheel
low.
>> Total Miles on Vehicle: 12,303.7
>> Max: 13.573 MPG
>> Min: 8.987 MPG
>> Cum. Ave: 11.716 MPG
>> (Std Dev.: 0.993 MPG)
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>> My wife's Explorer is a '98 / 5.0L V-8 / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / All Wheel
>> Drive (All the Time)
>> Tow Package / ...etc....
>> Note: She really really enjoys the 5.0L and loves to squash the gas
pedal,
>> but not nearly as often as I do. Have not taken any long trips it, so we
>> don't have a true highway mileage yet.
>>
>> Total Miles on Vehicle: 5,769.9
>> Max: 14.087 MPG
>> Min: 12.063 MPG
>> Cum. Ave: 13.359 MPG
>> (Std Dev.: 0.594 MPG)
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> My Pickup Truck is a '99 F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS
(glad I
>> did not get the 4.30LS!) / SuperCab / SRW / Longbed / Snowplow Package /
Tow
>> Package / Off-Road Package
>> Note: As with the Expy, I really have enjoy the 6.8L V-10!. On long
trips,
>> cruising speed is 75 to 82 MPH) Have not taken any long trips in it, so
we
>> don't have a true highway mileage yet. Minimum mileage was from spending
a
>> lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.
>>
>> Total Miles on Vehicle: 587.0
>> Max: 8.741 MPG
>> Min: 5.488 MPG
>> Cum. Ave: 7.272 MPG
>> (Std Dev.: 1.221 MPG)
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> As you can see from the above numbers, the 3.73LS axle will not give you
>> great mileage, no matter what engine/vehicle combo you have. Of course,
>> your mileage may differ and be higher if you drive gently and do more
>> highway travelling. Still, the 3.73LS will not give you the mileage of a
>> 3.23 or 3.55 no matter carefully how you drive.
>>
>> Keith


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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:46:18 -0800
From: "iflyrc"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I also get 10.5 mpg combined mileage and on a recent trip to LA set the cc
at 80 and got 13mpg going and 13.5 coming back ( to vegas).
But I do have a lead foot and have been known to break the tires loose on
take off more than not.
Dave 99 SD 4X4 Lariat SC LB,V10,3.73, Auto, Tow pack, Camper pkg.,
Flowmaster 3 chamber
- -----Original Message-----
From: JJ Thomas
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle


>WOW!!! That's encouraging. I was giving some serious thought to the V10
>but I keep hear that it only gets about 5-8 MPG. What type of driving are
>you doing? Are you a light footed driver? Have you made any modifications
>to the truck?
>
>-Julian
>
>At 16:37 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>I have the V10 also!
>>According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
>>Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
>>highway!
>>I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of
it,
>>at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
>>1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
>>Gene Ball Chicago IL.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:51:34 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel milage

Perry who makes the tire you have on that truck?
285/85/16 you have stock rims? You do know that tire is killing your mpg!
I am going to get a larger tire also, still looking and havent seen that
size?
Gene

Perry Klein wrote:

> F-250 Super cab long bed V-10 Auto 3.73 axle.
> Overhead says solid 8 mpg. Total of 2100 miles.
> 90 % city driving, stop and go with a heavy foot.
> Still to young and stupid to drive reasonably I guess.
>
> I have 285/85 R16's that the computer isn't aware of yet.
> So mileage should actually be a smidge higher.
>
> PS Gas in Ketchikan, Alaska is 1.50 $/gal.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:28:42 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - fuel milage

Oops!

255/85 R16 Just a tad off.

sorry

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:35:40 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

:
:They are mirror with a built in turn signal. When you activate your =
turn
:signal, a blinking arrow appears in your mirror. Somebody beside you =
will
:see the arrow, but you do not. Check out the web page, is give a great
:illustration! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kwmuth.com/Default.htm =20
:
:I originally thought they were the latest in fads that need to die away.
:But I saw one in action, I was a little behind and beside somebody that =
had
:them. It gave me a clear indication of what his/her intentions were.
:
:-Julian


This is a great idea for freeway driving -- often I want to
change lanes, but you have to give someone else who isn't really
back very far a good chance to see your signals. If they saw
your signal in the side mirror, that should improve the
visibility of your signals.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:30:24 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

- -Julian, I do not consider myself a lite foot or a heavy foot!
I do let the truck coast into stops! Saves gas and breaks and what ever else!
But I do take off a little hard at times, just cause it feels good!
No, I haven't made any engine modifications!
I did add a vinyl tarp to the bed, I also had the dealer lower the back
of it to sit level, at no cost to me!
I do belive both of theses changes may have helped the mpg alittle!
I will say this, if guys are getting 5-8 mpg with 3.73 gears, they are running
HARD!
I am sure I could get the same mpg if I tried!
I am sure I could get better than I am getting, If I tried!!!
99 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat V10 3.73LS
Gene Ball


JJ Thomas wrote:

> WOW!!! That's encouraging. I was giving some serious thought to the V10
> but I keep hear that it only gets about 5-8 MPG. What type of driving are
> you doing? Are you a light footed driver? Have you made any modifications
> to the truck?
>
>
>
> At 16:37 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >I have the V10 also!
> >According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
> >Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
> >highway!
> >I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of it,
> >at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
> >1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
> >Gene Ball Chicago IL.
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:58:09 -0700
From: William Rau
Subject: FTE 97up - Picked Up My New F350... Beat This Price!!

I just picked up my new F350 XLT SuperCab PowerStroke in Oklahoma on
Friday, and drove it back home to Colorado yesterday!

If you want to hear something VERY impressive: "With the PS and 6-speed
Manual Transmission (3.73 Ltd. Slip) I was turning 1900 RPM at 70 MPH...
and 2200 at 80MPH!" After break-in I am expecting >22MPG (that's what
my brother is getting with last year's PS... he's turning 2500 RPM 70
MPH).

My success story began when I found the following URL on the Internet
and saved over $1100:

$99 under Invoice http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.isbellford.com/

I even called the dealership here in Colorado (where I used to work as a
Ford partsman) and they gave me a very good deal... still nearly $700
more than Isbell.

I ordered my new F350 on December 2nd from Jim Isbell Ford (put $500
down on my Visa) and while they continued to keep me updated on
"delivery times of other trucks"... my truck was delivered last
Thursday! That translates into 10 weeks!! They were very
straight-forward and business like in projecting 14 -18 weeks. When I
initially queried them (after talking to my brother in OK, who confirmed
that they were a well respected dealership) they indicated that they had
already sold over 120 1999 Fords (in nearly every state in th US). I
wrapped up the order in less than two weeks... via fax & telephone. The
saleman, T.J. Bryant, is a real gentleman and from my impressions;
someone I now consider a good friend.

The Suggested Retail price (Factory Invoice from FoMoCo) was $35,805...
my price was $31,050!! By the time you add the FDAF & 19 Gal of gas, it
came to $31,150 (they even provided me with a FULL tank of gas). The
Invoice Price on the F350 came in $94 above what it was when I ordered
it but, I'm still HAPPY... I've been seeing USED trucks (with fewer
options than mine) selling for around $35 K!!

I flew out Thursday night (18th) to OKC and picked up my truck on
Friday around 10 AM.
I'll post an update after I've had a chance to evaluate my new SD
PowerStroke!!

A Ford Man Born & Breed,
and back in the driver's seat,
Bill

PS... I got some quotes from and considered briefly the Dodge option...
but I ruled out that option early in the game. Simply put: "There is no
REAL comparison!"
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:32:37 -0800 (PST)
From: chris coleman
Subject: FTE 97up - Fan Clutch failure

Don, I think that my fan clutch is starting to bite the dust. I have
noticed periodically(especially on cold mornings) that the fan sounds
really loud. So, it looks like I am going to end up spending a little
bit of money(unless it is covered by the warranty, but, as I recall,
this is considered a wear item) to fix the problem. I am half tempted
on just getting rid of the driveshaft type fan and going to an
electric fan to do the cooling for me. I feel the electric fan is a
better route as I will get slightly better gas mileage and more power
to the rear wheels.

Chris "Thermo" Coleman
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:26:13 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I would not say that I am a light footed driver, nor would I say that I am
a lead foot diver. My uncle had a Blazer with a supercharger in it. When
he drove it he could not get out of the city before fueling up. I could
get at least into the next town. Mom otoh, could make the round trip and
come back with half a tank.

I was in a head on several years ago, that settle me down pretty good. I
have had my 4.0L Ranger of about a year and a half, I think I have lit up
the tires twice. Since I have to pay for what breaks, I tend to be pretty
careful.

Is the "Flowmaster 3 chamber" something you added to the SD? And what does
it do? It sounds familiar, what is it?

Thanks

Julian

At 16:46 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I also get 10.5 mpg combined mileage and on a recent trip to LA set the cc
>at 80 and got 13mpg going and 13.5 coming back ( to vegas).
>But I do have a lead foot and have been known to break the tires loose on
>take off more than not.
>Dave 99 SD 4X4 Lariat SC LB,V10,3.73, Auto, Tow pack, Camper pkg.,
>Flowmaster 3 chamber
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JJ Thomas
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 3:50 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle
>
>
>>WOW!!! That's encouraging. I was giving some serious thought to the V10
>>but I keep hear that it only gets about 5-8 MPG. What type of driving are
>>you doing? Are you a light footed driver? Have you made any modifications
>>to the truck?
>>
>>-Julian
>>
>>At 16:37 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>>I have the V10 also!
>>>According to the over head mileage meter I am getting 10.2 mpg!
>>>Thats with 3.73LS. That is in town and highway mixed ! And at 70-80mph on
>>>highway!
>>>I just turned 3000 miles on it! I do belive I could squeze 13-15mpg out of
>it,
>>>at a steady 65mph? Regardless I love my truck!
>>>1999 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat. Anyone else care to post there V10 mileage?
>>>Gene Ball Chicago IL.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:33:08 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

Thanks. I am the same, neither lite nor heavy footed.

If I go with the SD, I'll get the manual tranny. That should add and extra
MPG. I will also go with a cap, topper, shell, or whatever they are called
and get A/C.

- -Julian

At 19:30 02/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>-Julian, I do not consider myself a lite foot or a heavy foot!
>I do let the truck coast into stops! Saves gas and breaks and what ever else!
>But I do take off a little hard at times, just cause it feels good!
>No, I haven't made any engine modifications!
>I did add a vinyl tarp to the bed, I also had the dealer lower the back
>of it to sit level, at no cost to me!
>I do belive both of theses changes may have helped the mpg alittle!
>I will say this, if guys are getting 5-8 mpg with 3.73 gears, they are
running
>HARD!
>I am sure I could get the same mpg if I tried!
>I am sure I could get better than I am getting, If I tried!!!
>99 SD CC SB 4X4 Lariat V10 3.73LS
>Gene Ball
>
>
>JJ Thomas wrote:
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:11:42 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

How about we all e-mail the manufacturer and inquire as to when we can
expect signal mirrors for our Super Dutys? The squeaky wheels get the
grease!

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:53:59 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I've heard from many 'experts' that this is not a good thing to do. Their
assertion is that overfilling the tank can cause fuel to back up through the
tank return line, and ruin the vapor canister. I assume our trucks still
have these, as they did a few years back.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.

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Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 3:47 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle


>ensuring
>accuracy by slowly topping off each refill to the point where the gas is up
>to the lip and you can see it and it does not gurgle down (full to the
>brim).


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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:13:20 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Smoking Smell

This seems to be a common problem with new SD's. Mine started doing it two
weeks after I picked it up. It's very anouying having to roll the windows
down to clear the stank every time I turn on the heater. I will also be
interested in your dealers response.

Mattb

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From: LOUISETUL aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 1:00 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Smoking Smell


>In a message dated 2/25/99 12:23:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
FISHNG1 aol.com
>writes:
>
>> sive. I will be having
>> them check out my T/C noise, automatic transmission shifting response,
my
>> air
>> box and the strange burnt cigarette butt smell that I get in the morning
>> when
>> I go to work. ( I am not a smoker) I don't get the smell if I leave the
>
>
>This will be a very interesting answer from the dealer. I have a '97 F250
>Powerstroke. In the past week, several times I have got into the truck and
>there is a burnt cigarette smell. Like you, neither one of us smokes and
no
>one who smokes has been in my truck. I will be waiting for that answer.
>
>Louise
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:14:16 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

Sure, they just close the gap that much quicker. :-) Speaking as someone
that has driven many miles in DC rush hour traffic.

>This is a great idea for freeway driving -- often I want to
>change lanes, but you have to give someone else who isn't really
>back very far a good chance to see your signals. If they saw
>your signal in the side mirror, that should improve the
>visibility of your signals.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:22:01 -0800
From: William Street
Subject: FTE 97up - Recalls - was SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit

I just took delivery of a 99 SD PSD 4X4 CC SRW a couple of weeks ago and
just subscribed to this list.

Regarding recalls and TSB's - are there any I should know about? What is
the brake recall?

Thanks

Bill

FISHNG1 aol.com wrote:

> Sounds like just what I would like to do with my 99 SD PSD 4x4 XLT SC SRW
> etc. But may have to wait a while to save up for it. If you don't mind, what
> did this venture set you back?
> On a different note, tomorrow morning I have an appointment to have that
> brake recall notice done at 7:30 am. I also have a few other things saved up
> to go over with the dealer. I hope they are responsive. I will be having


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:30:57 -0500
From: TJ Koenes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fuel Economy with 3.73 Axle

I own a 99 f-250 PSD XL regular cab 4x4 with 3.73's with the six speed and i get
21-22 mpg i have ut on 9.00x16 Power King's the speedo is off by bout 12 mph but
a tank of fuel lasts a little longer than it used to, so this combination does
get very good fuel mileage

Keith Veren wrote:

> I have kept exact mileage for all our vehicles for some time now, ensuring
> accuracy by slowly topping off each refill to the point where the gas is up
> to the lip and you can see it and it does not gurgle down (full to the
> brim). I measure mileage to one decimal (tenth's of a mile) and gas to the
> thousandths of a gallon (x.xxx) as the pump displays it.
>
> The numbers:
>
> My Expy is a '98 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Rear Air / 17" wheels /
> etc.
> Note: I really enjoy the 5.4L and love to squash the gas pedal, especially
> when ramping onto an Interstate, etc. On long trips, cruising speed is 75 to
> 82 MPH) Minimum mileage was from spending a lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 12,303.7
> Max: 13.573 MPG
> Min: 8.987 MPG
> Cum. Ave: 11.716 MPG
> (Std Dev.: 0.993 MPG)
> ____________________________________________
>
> My wife's Explorer is a '98 / 5.0L V-8 / 3.73LS / 4X4 / XLT / All Wheel
> Drive (All the Time)
> Tow Package / ...etc....
> Note: She really really enjoys the 5.0L and loves to squash the gas pedal,
> but not nearly as often as I do. Have not taken any long trips it, so we
> don't have a true highway mileage yet.
>
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 5,769.9
> Max: 14.087 MPG
> Min: 12.063 MPG
> Cum. Ave: 13.359 MPG
> (Std Dev.: 0.594 MPG)
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> My Pickup Truck is a '99 F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS (glad I
> did not get the 4.30LS!) / SuperCab / SRW / Longbed / Snowplow Package / Tow
> Package / Off-Road Package
> Note: As with the Expy, I really have enjoy the 6.8L V-10!. On long trips,
> cruising speed is 75 to 82 MPH) Have not taken any long trips in it, so we
> don't have a true highway mileage yet. Minimum mileage was from spending a
> lot of the tank in 4-wheel low.
>
> Total Miles on Vehicle: 587.0....


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