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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Best F-250 V-10 Crew 4x4 Short Box Dealer?
FTE 97up - F150 Pix
Re: FTE 97up - EPA -Reply
FTE 97up - Re: EPA
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).
FTE 97up - Re: EPA
RE: FTE 97up - speed limiter.
Re: FTE 97up - Best F-250 V-10 Crew 4x4 Short Box Dealer?
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).
FTE 97up - fan clutch failure
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).
FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off
RE: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off
FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit
Re: FTE 97up - EPA
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit
FTE 97up - Tire Mileage
FTE 97up - After Market Air Filter Opinions
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit
Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).
Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD
Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors
Re: FTE 97up - After Market Air Filter Opinions
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:28:06 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD -Reply

Yesterday I also found out that Trailmaster now has a 3" Front end leveling
kit which started shipping at the end of January. It uses the stock leafs
in the front with extended shackles, drop brackets, and shocks. The price
is steep though... $795! Superlift also has a similar kit which runs
about $550. Skyjacker has a kit too, but they use add a leafs in the
front. This kit is cheaper, but you will sacrafice ride quality. I am
going to call Rancho this morning to see if they have something available.

I also found out that the wheel selection has grown considerably. A couple
months back, Weld(big $$$) was about the only choice in wheels, but now
many options are available.

Mike Strukel
11 weeks and still waiting for my SD

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Keith Veren [SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> Sent:Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:37 PM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD -Reply
>
> I hope to get the truck back tomorrow. The new springs really looked
> well-made so hopefully they won't result in a "go-kart" suspension. In
> addition to the 3.5" lift (which, by the way, is not a huge amount) I am
> installing all new shocks. With the lift you have to install new front
> shocks because of the new length, so I decided to put new ones on the back
> also. I am not trying to make it look like Bigfoot (although that would
> be
> fun!!), just level it out a little, which the 3.5" should do perfectly
> (hopefully). Have not considered new wheels and tires yet because I
> usually
> try to get some wear on the originals so I feel like I got my money's
> worth!
> Eventually, I do plan to put bigger (taller and a little wider) tires on,
> but the current wheels are OK. The only change I might do in the interim
> is
> try to find some nice chrome lug-nuts like you see on the front of new
> and/or custom tractor-trailer rigs. I am not really fond of the
> plastic-looking "hubcap" and prefer the look of shiny lugs contrasted by
> black axle hubs.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GEORGE CROLL
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD -Reply
>
>
> >Thanks for the info Keith, I am looking forward to your evaluation of the
> lift.
> >
> >BTW are you putting on bigger tires and if not how does it look with the
> stock tires and the 3.5 inch lift. I am
> >concerned with ride quality because when I lifted my 76 chevy it went
> from
> a reasonable ride to a very unforgiving
> >ride due to the extremly stiff springs in the rough country lift I
> bought.
> I would not want a repeat when I lift my SD.
> >My understanding is that the better lift kits sold today sacrifice very
> little in ride quality.
> >George Croll
> >EPA-OAR-ARD
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:08:30 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Best F-250 V-10 Crew 4x4 Short Box Dealer?

Dave Smith also does Chevrolets. The dealership is a most unusual sight.
Kellogg isn't a huge town. It's like a lot of old industry towns that events
have passed by when the core reason for existing (mining) has gotten smaller
or gone away. They are looking at new things to bring in business, skiing,
tourism, Dave Smith???) Basically it's got more infrastructure than it needs
today. There area lot of vacant lots scattered all over town. Almost every one
is filled up with Dave Smith inventory. Everywhere you go around town there
are lots filled with Dodges and Chevrolets. Bizarre

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:43:56 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 Pix

For those interested or looking for something new on the web, please feel
free to visit my home page (link below), select "My Vehicles, Old & New"
from the first drop down list, to view the pix of my new '99 F150 4x4!
She's a beauty!

Cheers,
Ryan
Intranet Specialist
Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
Allen Systems Group
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:16:44 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - EPA -Reply

Here is my very unofficial EPA view of auto emissions.

first look at what kind of regulations we currently have on vehicles. Most states now have vehicle inspection and
maintenance programs (IM). this usualy means a smog check. The smog check is based on having a low
concentration of pollutants in the exhaust for CO, hydrocarbons and NOx. What does it mean to have a low
concentration? It means that a big clean burning engine can meet the same emissions standard as a small clean
burning engine. The difference is that the bigger engine is pumping out 3 or four times as much polluted air as the
smaller engine and in reality three or four times as much pollution.

what does this mean to EPA. It means they also need a way to limit mass emissions. That is probably the reason we
have the CAFE standads. Used in conjunction these regualtions limit the total emissions from vehicles.

There is another approach. Why not limit vehicle mass emissions. In essence auto manufactuers could build any
engine they wanted so long as it met the mass emission standard. A mass standard could be expressed in pollution
per mile driven at 55 mph or something. In reality we would have small engines with moderate emission controls and
larger engines with more effective controls. From an engineering point of view more effective controls are certianly
possible but they obviously would be more expensive. So you can have your big powerful engine you just have to
pay for the extra emission controls to have it. It's a reasonable tradeoff, and the consumer is only limited by having
to pay for doing his/her part to keep the environment clean.

People should also know that environmental regulations are often decided in court by people who know little about
the "reality" of what makes sense both in terms of money spent and environmental protection. The EPA may know
what the right thing to do is, but might also know that they cannot win in court with that approach. So what you get
is a bunch of lawyers arguing in court for a position they think they can win on irregardless of whether it makes any
sense. In short EPA takes what it can get in terms of protecting the environment even if it is not the "best" solution.
Please do not forward my "opinions" to my superiors as these could give me big problem.

Thanks
George Croll. Engineer, EPA Acid Rain Division
99 SD V-10 4x4 XLT
66 CJ-5A, buick V-6, t-18 4 spd, locked, lifted, and ready for summer to get here
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:26:41 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: EPA

Keith and some others have raised some really good points about the EPA and
what happens when politics takes over where science should rule.

Maybe EPA should just regulate the total emissions or air/water/soil content
of certain pollutants and then let local and state decide how to split that
up amongst the user groups. This is an approach that I have seen work in
fisheries management, where commercial, recreational, and Native American
user groups are usually at each other's throats politically over regulation
of the resource. In areas where we manage by politics, nothing happens or
it happens too late (swordfish). In areas where we manage by science first
and then leave the politics to local groups (Pacific Halibut Commission), we
have been very successful. Although not all user groups are happy in this
scenario (not everyone can be), science is served and the environment is
protected first and foremost.

In our case, this could allow those of us who have real needs for large
trucks to get some sort of emissions allocation that allows us to use our
vehicle. The overall break-up of the scientifically dictated quota would be
based, however, on local decisions, allowing us each to be involved in how
our quota should be distributed on a local basis.

Just wanted to bounce this off folks and take my own advice of trying to
offer a positive solution. I probably won't post on this anymore, however,
as I'm afraid I may be getting a bit off-topic.

Regards, Bud


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:40:41 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).

At 09:55 PM 2/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I believe some of the after market chips you can plug into your computer
>wiring harness (takes just 20 minutes or so) will not only add a little
>"kick" but re-set the speed limiter to a higher number

yea, I know about the chips.. but since its a 6 cyl, if i had wanted more
"performance" i woulda kicked in for the v-8. i dont mind the 5500 rpm rev
limiter, i just dont like the top speed limiter. the truck is a 2wd,
275/60vr17 shod shortbed, running with the tow package. it handles VERY nice.
was hoping NOT to put the chip in, as it voids the factory warranty.
disabling a speedo sensor will void the warranty on that sensor.. but the
computer chip will void the whole thing.

>Remember, the energy received in a
>crash increases as the [square] of velocity (a 60 MPH crash gives you 4
>times the "pain" of a 30 MPH crash, everything else being equal).

i kinda figured someone would feel obliged to kick in the safety speech.
crashing at 100 is equally abhorent to me as crashing at 70. either way,
im in the hospital and with these federally mandated "crumple zones" the
truck is totaled. when i was a kid 15 years ago, i got in an accident at
65 in my '73 eldorado convertable. i WAS wearing my seatbelt, but some
putz felt obliged to park his (transam/camaro?) in the fast lane of the
highway, lites off, and walk home.. or at least try to.. he was drunk.
well long comes me after a hockey game, and for whatever reason i didnt
even see the car (no i wasnt drinking). hit it at speed.. didnt even tap
the brakes... anyways 1/4 mile later when i stopped, the other car was
unrecognizable. I suffered bruised hips, a muscle pull in my back, and a
bruised chest from hitting the hulahoop sized steering wheel. was in
hospital for 3 hours and released. the car was towed to my parents house,
where a week later i had fixed it. needed front end clip, radiator, fan,
fanclutch. no frame damage, no major mechanical damage. got the front end
from some pimp-mobile in a salvage yard, costed $600. todays cars and
trucks are designed to fold on impact, probably saving lives, but
definately improving the economy of insurance companies, and body shops.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:02:27 -0800
From: Joe Zuk
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: EPA

I missed the orginal post so I am not sure if what the Feds are talking
about is the same thing they are talking about here in Ca. (home of the
eco-Nazis). When Ca. created the smog laws back in the 60s all cars and
trucks up to GVW 8000Lbs (I think I got that number right) fell into one
class that had to meet tight controls. Cars and trucks over that had to
meet not as tight of controls. Well in the 60s that wasn't so bad since
not that many people own these 'big' trucks. Now comes the 90s just
about everyone wants a F150/D150/CK1500 or some kind of bigger SUV
(Sub./Exp) these things are over the 8000lbs GVW and fall into the
lighter smog rules. So here in Ca. they want to move up the cut off
point from 8000lbs to 8500lbs. So now all these bigger SUV/Truck now
have to meet tighter smog laws. But if you drive a new Ford whats this
mean to you, not much. Ford came out and said that the new F150/Exp
already meet these smog laws. The F150/Exp uses the same basic engines
that are used in the big cars (LTDs). Now I don't know what this does to
the Dodge and Chev. trucks. I think if your a Dodge fan you maybe in for
some changes, since they have the oldest engine desgins.

Just something to think about.
Joe
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:15:10 -0800
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - speed limiter.

I would strongly suggest that you do NOT unplug speedometer cables or try
to "fool" the computer with an incorrect speedo calibration. You must
remember that information from the speedometer is used by the transmission,
ABS, etc. The only safe way, that I have heard of, to up the speed limit is
to purchase an aftermarket chip.

Regards,
Mike Sutton
mike.sutton gsc.gte.com
(919) 549-1215

-----Original Message-----
Christopher,

I had Superchips program a chip to up the revlimiter to
6500 rpm and remove the speed limiter. If you unplug the
speedo wires your cruise control will not work. You could
change the speedo gear to fool the computer into thinking it
was going slower.

Regards

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:47:36 -0600
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Best F-250 V-10 Crew 4x4 Short Box Dealer?

I agree with jerking around with some of the buying services out there.
Here's one that I've had pretty good luck with http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.forddirect.com.
For what its worth, good luck.

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> From: Todd E.
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Best F-250 V-10 Crew 4x4 Short Box Dealer?
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 11:39 PM
>
> I bought my F-250 SD from Kern's Ford in Ohio. I got it at invoice, and
did
> the whole thing over the phone. They have some fly-out, drop shipment,
and
> meet you half way options of getting your vehicle. They've sold to
people
> as far away as Alaska. I found them on the internet, here's the site:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.usauto.com/fordtrucks7/SuperCab.htm
>
> or call 1-888-8DUALLY
>
> I recommend them, because I hate the whole auto purchase process, and was
> being dicked around by Auto-by-tel dealers locally, when I found this
place.
> It was a completely smooth and simple transaction. Definitely the best
auto
> purchase experience of my life.
>
> >
> >
> > I have decided that a new (or very slightly used) F250 V-10 Crew 4x4
> > Short Box is my next vehicle of choice. I am looking for a FORD dealer
> > that will work with me over the phone or the web and deliver as
promised
> > for a competitive price. I hope to make my purchase sometime before
1999
> > runs out.
> >
> > A Dodge loving friend told me that Dave Smith Motors in Kellogg, ID
will
> > beat any Dodge dealer's price nationwide. Many folks in town who can't
> > get a Boise dealer to deal simply use these guys. In fact, these guys
> > recommend on their web site for their customer's to fly into town to be
> > picked and sent home that day in a new rig as ordered. I am assuming
> > that a FORD dealer of this genre is somewhere to be found.
> >
> > With some of the hurt happening in the farmlands there has got to be a
> > dealer willing to be extra competitive. I figure I can fly wherever in
> > the contiguous 48 states and drive the unit home. Any recommendations?
> > --
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:21:27 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).

In a message dated 99-02-24 09:49:03 EST, you write:


no kidding man i hear that insurance comanys are geting richer because of JAP
junk and other matchbox cars with sheetmetal, everyone in my family drives
either a soild foreign car or a truck/suburban because be dont want to be the
one going to the hospital. We just hop out and go dam, i need a new bumper
and grill.

RS



yea, I know about the chips.. but since its a 6 cyl, if i had wanted more
"performance" i woulda kicked in for the v-8. i dont mind the 5500 rpm rev
limiter, i just dont like the top speed limiter. the truck is a 2wd,
275/60vr17 shod shortbed, running with the tow package. it handles VERY nice.
was hoping NOT to put the chip in, as it voids the factory warranty.
disabling a speedo sensor will void the warranty on that sensor.. but the
computer chip will void the whole thing.

>Remember, the energy received in a
>crash increases as the [square] of velocity (a 60 MPH crash gives you 4
>times the "pain" of a 30 MPH crash, everything else being equal).

i kinda figured someone would feel obliged to kick in the safety speech.
crashing at 100 is equally abhorent to me as crashing at 70. either way,
im in the hospital and with these federally mandated "crumple zones" the
truck is totaled. when i was a kid 15 years ago, i got in an accident at
65 in my '73 eldorado convertable. i WAS wearing my seatbelt, but some
putz felt obliged to park his (transam/camaro?) in the fast lane of the
highway, lites off, and walk home.. or at least try to.. he was drunk.
well long comes me after a hockey game, and for whatever reason i didnt
even see the car (no i wasnt drinking). hit it at speed.. didnt even tap
the brakes... anyways 1/4 mile later when i stopped, the other car was
unrecognizable. I suffered bruised hips, a muscle pull in my back, and a
bruised chest from hitting the hulahoop sized steering wheel. was in
hospital for 3 hours and released. the car was towed to my parents house,
where a week later i had fixed it. needed front end clip, radiator, fan,
fanclutch. no frame damage, no major mechanical damage. got the front end
from some pimp-mobile in a salvage yard, costed $600. todays cars and
trucks are designed to fold on impact, probably saving lives, but
definately improving the economy of insurance companies, and body shops.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:50:09 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).

At 12:21 PM 2/24/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 99-02-24 09:49:03 EST, you write:
>
>
>no kidding man i hear that insurance comanys are geting richer because of JAP
>junk and other matchbox cars with sheetmetal, everyone in my family drives
>either a soild foreign car or a truck/suburban because be dont want to be
the
>one going to the hospital. We just hop out and go dam, i need a new bumper
>and grill.

its funny, tho.. because 3 years ago in my '96 honda civic coupe, i was
stopped in one of those "bi -directional turning lanes" when some bimbo
decide she was gonna avoid traffic and drive down the lane.. well she was
looking over her shoulder when she hit me head on doing 30-35 mph. TOTALED
her plymouth laser.. crunched up to the windshield.. crumple zones and all.
my honda required a new bumper skin. her airbag deployed, and mine didnt..
neither of us were hurt.

stupid cops called it a no fault accident, and claimed failure to yeild on
both of us, since it was a bi-directional lane, and a head on collision.
ive wondered since then how a stopped car can fail to yeild....

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:47:37 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).

"Christopher T. Patrick" wrote:
>
> At 09:55 PM 2/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I believe some of the after market chips you can plug into your computer
> >wiring harness (takes just 20 minutes or so) will not only add a little
> >"kick" but re-set the speed limiter to a higher number
>
> yea, I know about the chips.. but since its a 6 cyl, if i had wanted more
> "performance" i woulda kicked in for the v-8. i dont mind the 5500 rpm rev
> limiter, i just dont like the top speed limiter. the truck is a 2wd,
> 275/60vr17 shod shortbed, running with the tow package. it handles VERY nice.
> was hoping NOT to put the chip in, as it voids the factory warranty.
> disabling a speedo sensor will void the warranty on that sensor.. but the
> computer chip will void the whole thing.

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Chris,

The chip will not void the warranty. Only if you get one
that bumps up the rev limiter and you grenade the engine or
the clutch, or something in the drive line that could not
handle the increased rpm. The Dealer where I got my truck
sells Jet Chips.

Regards

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:07:45 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: FTE 97up - fan clutch failure

Anyone experience problems with the fan? When it's cold (-15 C / 5 F) I get
strange sounds from under the hood. One's a metallic clicking right at
startup. The other cycles on & off while driving. Sounds like a power
steering pump complaining eventhough your travelling in a straight line.
Started after Ford replaced the crankshaft damper. My mechanic thinks it the
fan clutch, sounds to me like a typical power steering pump bearing gone
bad, and started after the damper was replaced. Go figure.


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:22:22 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).

>Chris,
>
> The chip will not void the warranty. Only if you get one
>that bumps up the rev limiter and you grenade the engine or
>the clutch, or something in the drive line that could not
>handle the increased rpm. The Dealer where I got my truck
>sells Jet Chips.

specific dealers MAY honor the warranty.. but according to ford, modifying
the computer will void the warranty on the powertrain. either way, its
like the hypertech chip i put in
my 'vette, the dealer said yea, we will honor the warranty... but first we
charge you to return it to factory stock....
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:25:18 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off

Filled up my 99 F-250 SD, regular cab longbed.for the third time. The fuel light was on and the gauge read less than
1/8th tank. It only took 28 gallons to fill. My reading of the literature says that longbed trucks like mine have 38 gallon
tanks and supercab shortbed trucks have 29 gallon tanks. Am I wrong or do I have 10 gallons left in my truck when
the fuel light comes on and the gauge reads >1/8th. I'll probably complain to Ford either way.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:27:43 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off

That sounds about right, 10 gallons in reserve. It is done that way, in
case you are towing something large, you'll be getting say 8 miles per
gallon, and 10 gallons should be able to get you to a gas station, even if
you're stuck in traffic somewhere. I've noticed very similar readings on my
SD 250 V-10. Complain if you want, it will get you absolutely nowhere
though.


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From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 5:24 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off


>Filled up my 99 F-250 SD, regular cab longbed.for the third time. The fuel
light was on and the gauge read less than
>1/8th tank. It only took 28 gallons to fill. My reading of the literature
says that longbed trucks like mine have 38 gallon
>tanks and supercab shortbed trucks have 29 gallon tanks. Am I wrong or do
I have 10 gallons left in my truck when
>the fuel light comes on and the gauge reads >1/8th. I'll probably complain
to Ford either way.
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:49:19 -0600
From: Todd Styles
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off

My 'low fuel' light came on today. Took 25 gallons to fill up the 29 gal
tank.
Todd, '99 F250SD,SC,SB,PSD,6-SPEED,4x2,3.73.

BTW, I've got ~1800 miles and I'm averaging 18.5 MPG empty.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:55:19 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD fuel gauge way off

At 03:25 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Filled up my 99 F-250 SD, regular cab longbed.for the third time. The
fuel light was on and >the gauge read less than
>1/8th tank. It only took 28 gallons to fill. My reading of the
literature says that longbed >trucks like mine have 38 gallon
>tanks and supercab shortbed trucks have 29 gallon tanks. Am I wrong or do
I have 10 gallons >left in my truck when
>the fuel light comes on and the gauge reads >1/8th. I'll probably
complain to Ford either way.

my f-150 comes on a little less than a quarter tank.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:10:10 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I was in a glass store today and saw a display for aftermarket signalized
mirrors. There are mirrors available for many vehicles, unfortunately none
yet for my Super Duty! Bummer! Here is the link if you would like to see
if there is a mirror for your vehicle.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:37:06 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit

Got the F-350 back tonight. Wow! The Tuff Country (www.tuffcountry.com)
front lift kit is great, I am very pleased!! My truck is the SuperDuty
F-350 / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / SuperCab / SRW / Longbed / Snowplow Package / Tow
Package / Off-Road Package and now, with the new front spring pack, the
thing sits level and looks much, much taller. Because I have an 850 pound
Fisher Plow, the representative at TuffCountry recommended that I get the
F2355 Springs (heavier, originally for the F-250/350 with the diesel) rather
than the F-2354 (lighter, originally for the gas engines). The springs have
a nice positive arch, and they really look good, they match the appearance,
number of leaves and arch of the rear springs so things look equal. Also go
the LL264 shock absorbers all around. As I was driving home, I really
noticed the difference in ride, and to my surprise I actually thought the
handling was much better. When I went over dips and bumps and even a little
bit of washboard, the truck did not (as I feared) "bang" or "jostle and
rattle" like one would expect stiffer springs to do; rather, I felt a very
firm, solid, smooth and noiseless compression/decompression (or, as some
like to put it, a vertical positive and negative acceleration/deceleration
action). The only thing I have to think about now is getting out the floor
jack and raising my plow about 3 inches so I can drive into the mounting
brackets!!! (we expect snow here in Massachusetts tomorrow). By the way,
do not try to install the TuffCountry springs yourself unless you are a good
mechanic and have a helper because the springs are very heavy and
installation requires drilling out brackets and re-mounting the sway bar and
the tracking bar, if you mess-up, your safety could be compromised.
Besides, after installation, the front-end must be re-aligned so this is one
job I left to my dealership.

By the way, my dealer was very happy to install the kit and said do not
worry about voiding any the Ford "bumper-to-bumper warrantee because they
installed it. I have had my dealer (Acton Ford) install all kinds of
aftermarket stuff on all three of our vehicles (F-350 / Expedition /
Explorer) and they stand by the installation and vehicle warrantee if they
install it. I think most dealers would do the same (Nathan?).

Keith

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:09:33 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - EPA

Amen Bud..
As I said once already, All the nice people that "absolutely" Have to be
able to get to the Mall, regardless of the weather are going to be
really shocked, when gas gets back to a buck and a half a gallon, and
they all want to sell their hardly used, never been scratched 4x4 "gas
hogs", and find out that there are no buyers......I lived it in 1974,
with a 3/4 T chevy van, and 1979, with a 3/4 T chevy van.

Waiting in line until a 5000 to 7000 pound truck runs out of gas, and
having to push it to the pump is a lot more than "most" of these people
will want to live with.

Think about that BEFORE you shell out the $25000.00 Plus that it is
going to cost to move your boat to the launch ramp 2 times a year.

Corporate Average Fuel Economy is here to stay....

Emissions standards (which really ARE good for us air breathing Mammals)
are too.

Freedom to choose is a good thing.....But it like any other decision
should be made carefully.

By all means get what you need.....

Frank

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:07:24 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit

At 08:37 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Got the F-350 back tonight. Wow! The Tuff Country (www.tuffcountry.com)
>front lift kit is great, I am very pleased!! My truck is the SuperDuty

Were you driving with or without the plow on when you took it home?


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:14:36 EST
From: Alevinson aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Tire Mileage

What kind of tire mileage is "normal" for a 3/4 ton 4x4 driven on mostly
highways? I have 63,000 so far and think I can get at least 5000-10000 more
without taking any chances. I am pretty happy with this since they are the
original tires.

What do you all think?

Alex Levinson
alevinson aol.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:18:31 -0500
From: Brad Ridgway
Subject: FTE 97up - After Market Air Filter Opinions

Do the claims for such products hold true to those who have them
Mainly:
1) increased miages
2) more HP???

Recommendations? What about the chips?
I know this has to have come across here before but I'm a very newbie!!!

Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:41:18 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit

Without. I removed the plow before taking it into the dealer (Fisher
"Minute-Mount" System), it is fairly easy to take off (and a little harder
to put on!). The dealer had to remove part of the plow frame temporarily to
install the springs. I plan to put the plow on tomorrow morning. Will let
you know if the extra weight makes a difference.

Keith




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From: Perry Klein
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty 3" Front Spring Replacement Lift Kit


>At 08:37 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Got the F-350 back tonight. Wow! The Tuff Country (www.tuffcountry.com)
>>front lift kit is great, I am very pleased!! My truck is the SuperDuty
>
>Were you driving with or without the plow on when you took it home?
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:46:56 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speed limiter(long and off topic).

"Christopher T. Patrick" wrote:
>
> >Chris,
> >
> > The chip will not void the warranty. Only if you get one
> >that bumps up the rev limiter and you grenade the engine or
> >the clutch, or something in the drive line that could not
> >handle the increased rpm. The Dealer where I got my truck
> >sells Jet Chips.
>
> specific dealers MAY honor the warranty.. but according to ford, modifying
> the computer will void the warranty on the powertrain. either way, its
> like the hypertech chip i put in
> my 'vette, the dealer said yea, we will honor the warranty... but first we
> charge you to return it to factory stock....
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Chris,

I have been down this road before about if the chip voids
or not the warranty. If you feel it does then by all means
do not purchase a chip. It is unfortunately the only way
that I know of to up the speed limiter. If you find another
plausible solution please share it with me.

Kindest regards

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:55:32 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD

I've seen both the 4" National Spring's and the Tuff Country . Not impressed
with any Tuff Country products. Our local Four Wheel Parts Performance
Center sells all major brands, if you purchase National Springs you have to
use Pro Comp panhard bar relocation brackets and extended swaybar drop
links, the only thing is the spring pack has 10 leafs, it's a very nice
spring pack but seems a bit much, the one truck I've seem with these springs
installed is a PSD CC LB with a Warn 12000lb winch mounted with a semi
hidden winch mount. The owner says it rides great but it seems a little
stiff to me.
I also have a 99 SD SC LB V-10 and have done some research on AM wheels. So
far Weld seems to be about the only one making wheels for this goofy bolt
pattern. I was talking to the manager of a local Les Schwab Tire Store about
wheels, he informed me that Ultra will be making wheels that look similar to
the 5 spoke style premium wheels that are available from Ford for the
duallies. The Ultra's are supposed to run about $125 each which is about
half the cost of the Weld's.

Hope this helps

Mattb
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From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:30 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Lifting the F-250 SD


>Anyone out there lifted their SD. currently several aftermarket kits are
available including Pro Comp (4" lift with dual
>shock option, about 1000) Tuff country ( I think they have a 4" lift for
about 600) Superlift (4 and 6" with a multiple
>shock option I think) National Spring is making springs but I don't have
any idea of what they cost. I have heard great
>things about National but I have heard they are really expensive. I even
think Rancho might have one. Has anyone
>tried any of these lifts and if so how do they ride. I want to get a 4"
lift which does not alter my stock ride
>substantially and which retains decent steering. I am also interested in
who makes wheels which will fit the new SD
>trucks as there are not many out there. Does Weld make SD wheels now?
>
>Finally why are there not more 16 inch rims available. 16.5 inch rims are
much more common for larger trucks but
>they don't have safety beads so you really can't air down with confidence
on a 16.5 in wheel. Does anyone know
>of a good 16 inch wheel and 35 in tire combination for the SD trucks. I
don't want swampers, MT baja belteds or
>bogggers on my truck as they wear out too fast but I would like a good
looking tire. any suggestions? Looks good
>and wears good to boot with respectable off road abilities.
>
>Thanks
>George
>99 F-250 SD V-10
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:27:04 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Signal mirrors

I sent an Email to see if they will offer them for SD's. I think the
mirrors are great.


At 17:10 02/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I was in a glass store today and saw a display for aftermarket signalized
>mirrors. There are mirrors available for many vehicles, unfortunately none
>yet for my Super Duty! Bummer! Here is the link if you would like to see
>if there is a mirror for your vehicle.
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:59:53 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - After Market Air Filter Opinions

In a message dated 99-02-24 22:30:16 EST, you write:
K&N 5-10 RWHP approx avg. , but no more filter to buy and a tad bit of mileage
maybe. Chips seem to be popular of lately but i really dont reccomend them.

RS

Do the claims for such products hold true to those who have them
Mainly:....

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