97up-list-digest Sunday, January 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 005



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - DRL Wire Info - Comments
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value
FTE 97up - Re: 99 PSD Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value
FTE 97up - Re: Lowering F250 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value
FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires
Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires
FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires
FTE 97up - Disable Door Chime?
Re: FTE 97up - DRL Wire Info - Comments
FTE 97up - loaner/warranty
Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires
Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires
Re: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:12:09 -0500
From: "Ashok Ajmani"
Subject: FTE 97up - DRL Wire Info - Comments

Larry,
Do your lights (DRL mode only) turn off when you apply the parking brake?
Probably not!!. I say this as the purple/white wire taps onto the parking
brake single light green ('98 ex) wire. Since you paid for your
installation, I recommend you follow up with your installer/dealership on
this. They might have taken the easy way out on this as I know that the
parking brake wire is a slight pain to tap into. Note that I am assuming
your parking brake currently does not disable your DRL's.
Regards,
Ashok
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Wire (6):
Purple wire with small white stripe is cut close to DRL module and go to
nothing.
Hope this helps, let me know where I did not have the information or I was
wrong.
Larry



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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:36:55 EST
From: KCochran1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value

In a message dated 1/9/99 1:43:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, kands proaxis.com
writes:

> Does anybody know what the torque setting should be for the oil pan drain
> plug on a '99 F350 7.3L PSD ?? I would also appreciate knowing the source
> of the info. I purchased the Shop manuals from Helms and I can't find this
> specification.
>

For the '97 it's 27 ft.lbs. I would suspect the '99 would be the same.

That's from Alldata's website.


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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:04:50 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 PSD Mileage

> When I first bought my 99 F250 PSD, and started pulling my 12K lb 5th
> wheel, I averaged 9+ mpg irrespective of terrain. Now that the odometer
> is approaching 10K, mpg has increased to 11+. It seems also that the
> truck is pulling better; it no longer struggles to get up to highway
> speed, or when pulling away from a traffic light.

My experience is similar to yours, pulling a 10,000# 5W. By the time
I had 3000 on the clock, I was getting 11-13 mpg, with 11+ being
typical. Noise problem is similar also - guess it "goes with the
territory" with a PSD, which is the noisiest of the three light truck
diesels.
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in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:57:44 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value

> Does anybody know what the torque setting should be for the
> oil pan drain
> plug on a '99 F350 7.3L PSD ?? I would also appreciate
> knowing the source of the info. I purchased the Shop manuals
> from Helms and I can't find this specification.
>

Along the same lines, does anybody know the torque for the
lug nuts with the 99 XLT Aluminum wheels??
I'm due to rotate tires and what to torque them
up right.
Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:10:56 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering F250 4X4

Ross Smith wrote:
> i would like to know if this might level it out a bit on
> my F 250 SD 4x4 w/ offroad, its a bitch throwing 50-100 hay bails and feed
> bags in the back, also i will say i have had to use alot of drop on the hitch

Supposedly lowers the 4X4 to be same as 4X2, about 4-5 inches lower.
Since I have the 4X2, I can't vouch for it.
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:50:59 EST
From: KCochran1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value

In a message dated 1/9/99 11:02:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, wolf enter.net
writes:

> Along the same lines, does anybody know the torque for the
> lug nuts with the 99 XLT Aluminum wheels??
> I'm due to rotate tires and what to torque them
> up right.

Should be able to find that in the owner's manual.


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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:04:58 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires

How many out there find that rotating the tires invariably results in
increased road vibration? I spend a lot of time getting my front-end
aligned and the wheels/tires balanced and once everything is perfect I have
found that rotating the tires only results in aggravating new little
vibrations and/or "pulls" that require me to go get the front-end
re-re-aligned and/or wheels/tire re-re-balanced; furthermore, I cannot
always reach the smoothness of the original set-up after rotating the
wheels/tires. Hence, I gave up rotating the wheels/tires and I find that if
I spend the time to get the alignment correct and the wheels/tires balanced
perfectly, my tires wear perfectly even and last just as long as those who
rotate. Additionally, I do not usually drive tires past about 65 - 70%
worn-out before getting new.

Keith


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From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value


>
>
>> Does anybody know what the torque setting should be for the
>> oil pan drain
>> plug on a '99 F350 7.3L PSD ?? I would also appreciate
>> knowing the source of the info. I purchased the Shop manuals
>> from Helms and I can't find this specification.
>>
>
>Along the same lines, does anybody know the torque for the
>lug nuts with the 99 XLT Aluminum wheels??
>I'm due to rotate tires and what to torque them
>up right.
>Thanks
>Vaughn
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:53:15 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires

You know I was kind of thinking that.
I had no problem when rotating the tires on my
95 Ram, but did seem to have that problem on
my wifes Merc. Mystique. And that did cross my
mind about my SuperDuty, and like you I usually
get new tires way before most people would replace
theirs. Besides probably this summer I'm going to
go with BFG AT 285/75/16's, so if these wear screwy
because of not rotating them (which I've heard of
truck owners tires wearing better when NOT rotating)
I'll be changing them anyway.......

Thanks
Vaughn




How many out there find that rotating the tires invariably
results in increased road vibration? I spend a lot of time
getting my front-end aligned and the wheels/tires balanced and
once everything is perfect I have found that rotating the tires
only results in aggravating new little vibrations and/or "pulls"
that require me to go get the front-end re-re-aligned and/or
wheels/tire re-re-balanced; furthermore, I cannot always reach
the smoothness of the original set-up after rotating the
wheels/tires. Hence, I gave up rotating the wheels/tires and I
find that if I spend the time to get the alignment correct and
the wheels/tires balanced perfectly, my tires wear perfectly
even and last just as long as those who rotate. Additionally, I
do not usually drive tires past about 65 - 70% worn-out before
getting new.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value


>
>
>> Does anybody know what the torque setting should be for the
>> oil pan drain
>> plug on a '99 F350 7.3L PSD ?? I would also appreciate
>> knowing the source of the info. I purchased the Shop
>> manuals from Helms and I can't find this specification.
>>
>
>Along the same lines, does anybody know the torque for the lug
>nuts with the 99 XLT Aluminum wheels?? I'm due to rotate tires
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 14:37:49 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: EXPEDITION: Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires

I have had the same problem with my Mark VIII, but not the Expy. I
invariably have to take it in a second time for a re-balance. I have no
idea what causes this, I generally attribute it to tire dealer
incompetence. Maybe the Expy has a similar problem but because I
typically don't drive it over 70 mph, I don't feel it. I now have over
40,000 miles on it and the tires are in excellent shape. I have rotated
them 4 or 5 times so far.

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> How many out there find that rotating the tires invariably results in
> increased road vibration? I spend a lot of time getting my front-end
> aligned and the wheels/tires balanced and once everything is perfect I have
> found that rotating the tires only results in aggravating new little
> vibrations and/or "pulls" that require me to go get the front-end
> re-re-aligned and/or wheels/tire re-re-balanced; furthermore, I cannot
> always reach the smoothness of the original set-up after rotating the
> wheels/tires. Hence, I gave up rotating the wheels/tires and I find that if
> I spend the time to get the alignment correct and the wheels/tires balanced
> perfectly, my tires wear perfectly even and last just as long as those who
> rotate. Additionally, I do not usually drive tires past about 65 - 70%
> worn-out before getting new.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vaughn (VDB)
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value
>
> >
> >
> >> Does anybody know what the torque setting should be for the
> >> oil pan drain
> >> plug on a '99 F350 7.3L PSD ?? I would also appreciate
> >> knowing the source of the info. I purchased the Shop manuals
> >> from Helms and I can't find this specification.
> >>
> >
> >Along the same lines, does anybody know the torque for the
> >lug nuts with the 99 XLT Aluminum wheels??
> >I'm due to rotate tires and what to torque them
> >up right.
> >Thanks
> >Vaughn
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:03:54 -0800
From: bklm juno.com (Brian K Moberg)
Subject: FTE 97up - Disable Door Chime?

This has probably been brought up before but what is the easiest way to
disable the lights on/key in ignition chime on a 1998 F-150?

Thanks in advance.
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 19:02:31 -0500
From: Larry Hackler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - DRL Wire Info - Comments

Yau are correct. The parking brake does not keep the DRL off.

Why is it such a problem getting to the parking brake? Do they have to take
off any panels? How do you connect it to the parking brake?

Larry

Ashok Ajmani wrote:

> Larry,
> Do your lights (DRL mode only) turn off when you apply the parking brake?
> Probably not!!. I say this as the purple/white wire taps onto the parking
> brake single light green ('98 ex) wire. Since you paid for your
> installation, I recommend you follow up with your installer/dealership on
> this. They might have taken the easy way out on this as I know that the
> parking brake wire is a slight pain to tap into.
> Regards,
> Ashok
> ------------------------------
> Wire (6):
> Purple wire with small white stripe is cut close to DRL module and go to
> nothing.
> Hope this helps, let me know where I did not have the information or I was
> wrong.
> Larry

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:05:11 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty

what is the dealer required to do as far as a loaner goes when you in for
repairs under the 3/36 warranty.

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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:19:14 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> How many out there find that rotating the tires invariably results in
> increased road vibration? I spend a lot of time getting my front-end
> aligned and the wheels/tires balanced and once everything is perfect I have
> found that rotating the tires only results in aggravating new little
> vibrations and/or "pulls" that require me to go get the front-end
> re-re-aligned and/or wheels/tire re-re-balanced; furthermore, I cannot
> always reach the smoothness of the original set-up after rotating the
> wheels/tires. Hence, I gave up rotating the wheels/tires and I find that if
> I spend the time to get the alignment correct and the wheels/tires balanced
> perfectly, my tires wear perfectly even and last just as long as those who
> rotate. Additionally, I do not usually drive tires past about 65 - 70%
> worn-out before getting new.
>
> Keith

Hi Keith:

Interesting post! I have often wondered about the same thing myself
and as I would rather have a tooth pulled than take my truck in to
have it worked on for any reason as a vehicle always seems to come back
worse off than it was when it went in. I will now forever just buy a
new set of tires rather that rotating and save time out of my life
and unneeded stress. Thank you for the wake up call.

Michael
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:44:50 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires

Thanks, it's good to know that I am not the only one that has re-thought the
"rotate every 7500 miles axiom". My initial message did not state it, but
I stopped the wheel/tire rotation a few years ago with my '87 Toyota
4-Runner after having a perfectly smooth and straight ride changed into a
bumpy non-aligned ride (tire pull) after rotating the tires per recommended
milage. Practiced "non-rotation" on all cars since ['89 Camry, '98
Expedition / '98 Explorer / '83 Chevy K20 Pick-Up / '99 SuperDuty F-350
V-10 SuperCab 4X4 Pick-up] and have not noticed any additional tire wear
compared to expectations. (Probably because I make sure the vehicle tires
are as balanced as possible and I don't settle for any front-end pull, I bug
the dealer until it's perfect, so all the tires see about the same wear
factors).

Keith

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From: Michael D. Sheridan
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stopped Rotating Wheels/Tires


>Keith Veren wrote:
>>
>> How many out there find that rotating the tires invariably results in
>> increased road vibration? I spend a lot of time getting my front-end
>> aligned and the wheels/tires balanced and once everything is perfect I
have
>> found that rotating the tires only results in aggravating new little
>> vibrations and/or "pulls" that require me to go get the front-end
>> re-re-aligned and/or wheels/tire re-re-balanced; furthermore, I cannot
>> always reach the smoothness of the original set-up after rotating the
>> wheels/tires. Hence, I gave up rotating the wheels/tires and I find that
if
>> I spend the time to get the alignment correct and the wheels/tires
balanced
>> perfectly, my tires wear perfectly even and last just as long as those
who
>> rotate. Additionally, I do not usually drive tires past about 65 - 70%
>> worn-out before getting new.
>>
>> Keith
>
>Hi Keith:
>
>Interesting post! I have often wondered about the same thing myself
>and as I would rather have a tooth pulled than take my truck in to
>have it worked on for any reason as a vehicle always seems to come back
>worse off than it was when it went in. I will now forever just buy a
>new set of tires rather that rotating and save time out of my life
>and unneeded stress. Thank you for the wake up call.
>
>Michael
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:59:31 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - loaner/warranty....


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