97up-list-digest Monday, February 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 049



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - rust on suspension
FTE 97up - Re: Re:Ranger vs F150 vs SD 4x4
Re: FTE 97up - Shift points change after alarm install
FTE 97up - 5.4L Engine Problem/Question
Re: FTE 97up - Shift points change after alarm install
RE: FTE 97up - allotment for 99psd
FTE 97up - sales tax
FTE 97up - Re: F150 Fog lights
Re: FTE 97up - sales tax
Re: FTE 97up - sales tax
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Ranger vs F150 vs SD 4x4

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:38:12 -0600
From: Todd Styles
Subject: FTE 97up - rust on suspension


> Also, have plenty of surface rust underneath, on frame, springs,
> differential cover, drive shaft, etc. Any way to treat this, will a
> dealer do anything about it under warranty?


mine has surface rust as well on some suspension components. what
is the dealer responsibility?
Todd. '99 F250SD SC XLT,PSD 6-SPEED,4x2
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:45:25 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Ranger vs F150 vs SD 4x4

Concerning truck comparisons, Ranger SNAP
larger than a jet ski. Might be able to get Ally McBeal into the back of an
extracab with a
shoehorn. Could move an apartment in about 1000 trips. Made by Mazda I
think. >

Allow me to be one of the first to correct this misconception and say FORD
makes them and rebages some of them as Mazda on the Ranger assembly lines in
the good 'ol USA. Also they tow as well as an Explorer. 3-3.5K range is
comfortable with them. I wouldn't tow a vehicle or vehicle trailer with it,
though.
Another consideration would be an Expedition. Positively cavernous with the
back seats down. You could haul a small vehicle trailer with that. For that
matter, for both your move and DJ work a large boxed cargo trailer might
give you more vehicle options. A new 10X6X6 leftover CARMATE model a couple
of years back cost me $2350.00. If you claim your DJing as income, you could
completely write off the trailer on your taxes.
Mike

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:00:51 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Shift points change after alarm install

My guess would be that when they disconnected the
battery to install the alarm, it cleared the computer
and it just has to relearn.

Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4

you said:
This sounds strange, but I had a python alarm installed today in
my F-350 (V-10, automatic, 4.30LS, 4x4 (no ESOF)) and driving it
after the system was put in, I found that the engine is revving
higher, and the RPM at any given speed is higher than before the
alarm was installed.

At 60MPH, engine RPM is about 3100 in overdrive, before it was
maybe 2200RPM. Am I imagining things? Did the computer get
cleared? Only 1400 miles on this truck.

Also, have plenty of surface rust underneath, on frame, springs,
differential cover, drive shaft, etc. Any way to treat this,
will a dealer do anything about it under warranty?

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:32:42 -0600
From: Shane Wegner
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4L Engine Problem/Question

Hello Y'all,=20
I currently have a 98 F150 with the 5.4L and over the last few
months I have been experiencing a problem. When I start the truck up in
the morning or after it has sat for about 8 or more hours and I put the
truck in reverse to back up, the engine will almost die on me. This will
only last a couple seconds then the engine is back up and full power. It
almost acts like water in a distributer cap but I know this isn't the
problem. Now the kicker is this, it has only done this about 5 different
times in the last four months and so I am not sure where the problem
lies. It isn't consistant at all. When I talked with the guys in the
shop they were thinking it might be a bad plug but If it was a bad plug
I would think it would be doing it all the time but it isn't. The truck
only has 15,500 miles on it.

It is going into the shop on Wednesday to have them see if they can
figure it out.

Is there anyone out that has experienced this same problem or might know
of anything that could be wrong with it?

Thanks

Shane Wegner


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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:15:56 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Shift points change after alarm install

Sounds like your truck isn't going into overdrive. Gear ratios are going to
be the same no matter what the computer thinks, but the computer might not
be shifting into overdrive at all. Your speed vs rpm in OD will be the
same, unless you swap out the transmission, differential or tires.
Typically automatics shift into overdrive based upon a speed determined by
the computer. Your computer is probably not shifting into Overdrive at all
at speeds that it used to.


>This sounds strange, but I had a python alarm installed today in my
>F-350 (V-10, automatic, 4.30LS, 4x4 (no ESOF)) and driving it after the
>system was put in, I found that the engine is revving higher, and the
>RPM at any given speed is higher than before the alarm was installed.
>
>At 60MPH, engine RPM is about 3100 in overdrive, before it was maybe
>2200RPM. Am I imagining things? Did the computer get cleared?
>Only 1400 miles on this truck.
>



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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:48:35 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - allotment for 99psd

>12/21/98 unscheduled clean until 2/5/99 the compatiability problem with
>idle control switched from 961 to 96p 2/12/99 back to unscheduled clean

What's the deal with the 961 idle control? I ordered that too, haven't seen a 96p option.

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:31:13 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - sales tax

My new 99 PSD will be in soon, and I want to prepare to inspect my invoice,
I've got a presale discount of $3035.00 from Ford for using there visa card
for the last five years, I think sales tax should be figure invoice
minus $3035.00 then sales tax as this is not a rebate. Anybody know ?!

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:19:13 -0500
From: psjlelliott juno.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F150 Fog lights

Once the weather is warmer, I'll check the switch, then go from there.
Maybe Performance Products or somebody will come out with a replacement
valance with holes in it. Or, I'll mount 'em on the roof!! :) Thanks
for the help, Nathan.

- - Pete



Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:14:30 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 Fog light wiring

You'll probably need the 4x4 bumper as well, Their different. I've
noticed
the switches pull out also, but I don't know if their functional.


Nathan

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:12:36 -0600
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - sales tax

In our state, MS, the sales tax is figured on the price you paid. They get
us on the tag because it is figured on the sticker price. You have to
present the sticker when you buy the tag.

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:18:57 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - sales tax

Depends on your state probably. In Virginia, If you buy with no trade in then
the tax is based on what you negotiated with the dealer although factory
rebates are included in figuring the tax.

If however you trade in, you get hit for the full MSRP as the basis for the
tax. How they treat the Credit card discount may will vary. My guess is in VA
they would include that as value received by the dealer (they don't care where
it comes from, if the dealer gets reimbursed that's your basis)

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:19:35 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re:Ranger vs F150 vs SD 4x4

I knew about the Ranger/Mazda thing. They look too similar to miss it.

The trailer I tow will be a U-haul 6x10. What does not fit, goes to Goodwill.

I looked at the Expedition, imho it is over priced. I also looked at the
Explorer and found it very uncomfortable, as well as over priced in my
eyes. For what I would pay for one of these "SUV's" I could speck out a
real nice 4x4

I have given some serious thought to getting a trailer.

I found out that there are some specific requirements that have to be
followed to get that deduction. I missed one of them, more so as a first
time small business owner. Second time around, I shall not make that mistake.



At 07:45 02/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Concerning truck comparisons, Ranger SNAP
>larger than a jet ski. Might be able to get Ally McBeal into the back of an
>extracab with a
>shoehorn. Could move an apartment in about 1000 trips. Made by Mazda I
>think. >
>
>Allow me to be one of the first to correct this misconception and say FORD
>makes them and rebages some of them as Mazda on the Ranger assembly lines in
>the good 'ol USA. Also they tow as well as an Explorer. 3-3.5K range is
>comfortable with them. I wouldn't tow a vehicle or vehicle trailer with it,
>though.
>Another consideration would be an Expedition. Positively cavernous with the
>back seats down. You could haul a small vehicle trailer with that. For that
>matter, for both your move and DJ work a large boxed cargo trailer might
>give you more vehicle options. A new 10X6X6 leftover CARMATE model a couple
>of years back cost me $2350.00. If you claim your DJing as income, you could
>completely write off the trailer on your taxes.
>Mike
>
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