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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment
FTE 97up - Uns*bscribe
FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
FTE 97up - Tire siping
Re: FTE 97up - Tire siping
Re: FTE 97up - Tire siping
FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades
FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!]
FTE 97up - info on K&N for 99SD/ PSD
Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades
Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades
FTE 97up - Super Duty dirt trick
Re: FTE 97up - Tire siping
Re: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment
FTE 97up - 97 Powerstroke
FTE 97up - Re: F-150 Fog light wiring
FTE 97up - F-150 factory Tonneau cover
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment
Re: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment
Re: FTE 97up - info on K&N for 99SD/ PSD
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment
FTE 97up - ford accessories
FTE 97up - Surging 40MPH
FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights
FTE 97up - Painting the steps
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights
Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Painting the steps
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights
FTE 97up - Outstanding TSB's for 1997 F-150
FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades
FTE 97up - registration/plates on new F350 in AZ

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:46:24 PST
From: "Susan Ekstrom"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment

Ok, sorry, the gentleman who was in the finance dept. wasn't sure, but
thought it to be some kind of advertising fee. I asked why should I have
to pay for their advertising fees? Again, he avoided the question with
some um's and huh's, but said we weren't going to get away from paying
that. We ended up leaving this dealership and never bothered to ask the
manager what this fee was because they were a little rude towards the
end. I was going to go to another dealership last night, but changed my
mind due to some other questions that I had. I hope this helps a little
more.

Thanks,
Sue


>From: RSnovi aol.com
>Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:33:01 EST
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>
>In a message dated 99-02-15 18:00:32 EST, you write:
>
>
>ok now give me that in english and i will give you some insight.
>
>RS
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just about to leave in an hour to get, and possibly, pick up a
> leased truck. What is this FDAF Assessment? It is necessary? Or is
this
> just another ploy? If possible, can someone help me in the next 1/2
> hour?
> >>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:27:23 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

I too do the same thing as you, Poke around at everything. I have found
similar things.

*Inside the driver's side fender well there is a flexible water
shield at the front. I think this was Ford's solution for the ice and water
buildup on the air intake. There should be a TSB on this. Because the
passenger side wheel well does not have it. I think they should put one on
both sides.
*The seatbelt retractor mechanisms (F&R) on the driver side of the
vehicle has foam insulator around it, but the passenger side does not have
this. I have a Crew Cab. Does Ford think that the sound will be different
or that the driver will not notice this, being 5 feet away? I was installing
new speakers when I found this.
*The 120V plug for the block heater actually has another 12 inches of
length stuffed behind the grille.
*I found pieces of masking tape all over under the vehicle(left over
after painting). I also found a number of rubber bands wrapped through holes
down under.
*I examined the trucks on the lot and found that the brake recall TSB
simply puts a shield over the brake line and caliper.
*This is a design complaint. Why did for put the rear speakers in
the C-Pillar below the rear seats? You will never hear the high frequency
sounds clearly.
*Has anyone looked a the stripes that separate the two-tone body
paint on the XLT and Lariat models? Sight the line made by the stripe and
believe me it is not straight. I used to put pin stripes on at a body shop.
If I were to do such a bad job, I would not have one long.
*I doubt that many people have had the reason to drop their spare
tire, but there is some concern. I have only 200 mi. on my truck and there
is already quite a but of wear on the spare from rubbing on the frame. I
don't want to be buying a new $140 tire at 3000 mi. I thought of putting
rubber glued to the frame, but that will still cause dirt between the tire
and rubber to wear it away.
*There is a vacuum connector under the dash on the passenger side.
The connector is mounted to the AC/Heater box. It is in location that I
think could easily be kicked and damaged.
*The sensor for the overhead temperature display is mounted in front
of the radiator. I'm going to relocate my sensor to the side of the
radiator. It will more representative of ambient temperature.
*Check under your truck on the driver's side where the parking brake
cable exits the cab. I found that the rubber grommet was not seated properly
in the opening. This could result in water ingress into the cab. Maybe the
installer just felt lazy that day, it is difficult to correct.

Sorry to run on like this, but this is the reason that we use this
newsgroup. I find the information quite valuable.

Please if anyone has found other strange things about their vehicles please
post them or e-m me directly.

Thanks for listening,

Scott Matus

1999.1/2 F350 CC SRW 4x4 Lariat, PSD 6-Speed
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:40:00 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment

It's late, but here's what it is for the future:

FDAF is the Ford Dealer Advertising Fee, a pro-rated amount based on the
amount of money spent in the area by dealers. Usually from $100-$200
dollars. This is a fee from Ford, that the dealer must pay as part of
Ford's national advertising program. This is passed to the consumer EVERY
TIME, and I've only heard of a few people who have every had this waived,
using the argument that advertising didn't bring the people in. I consider
this a cost of doing business, and pay it. When you buy a $28,000 truck,
the $150 FDAF fee isn't that much. HTH.

Cheers,
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Intranet Specialist
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Allen Systems Group
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:57:43 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

>I too do the same thing as you, Poke around at everything. I have found
>similar things.
>[snip]
>* I doubt that many people have had the reason to drop their spare
>tire, but there is some concern. I have only 200 mi. on my truck and there
>is already quite a but of wear on the spare from rubbing on the frame. I
>don't want to be buying a new $140 tire at 3000 mi. I thought of putting
>rubber glued to the frame, but that will still cause dirt between the tire
>and rubber to wear it away.


You could probably just tighten up the crank and seat the tire more firmly
to alleviate this problem.

When I first got my truck, I found a plastic spacer taped between the front
leaf springs, the spacer said "remove this" or something like it. There was
no spacer on the passenger's side of the truck. There were also a lot of
areas of scraped off paint around the axles and undersides, I took a can of
spraypaint to fix these up. There was also a lot of bare metal, which now
is of course rusty.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:33:01 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

Also, everyone should check the condition of their front axle tube and
differential cover pan [F-350 SD / V-10 4X4 / LB / SRW / SC]. Mine are very
rusty. I am having my dealer replace the differential cover pan and bolts
(front axle only, the rear is fine). In any event, it looks like this
summer I will have to spend a lot of time under the truck using rust-sealer
and other treatments and paint to make the undercarriage components look
like the new truck it is.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matus, Scott A
To: 'F 97 - New' ; 'nplocek jps.net'

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:28 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty


>I too do the same thing as you, Poke around at everything. I have found
>similar things.
>
>* Inside the driver's side fender well there is a flexible water
>shield at the front. I think this was Ford's solution for the ice and
water
>buildup on the air intake. There should be a TSB on this. Because the
>passenger side wheel well does not have it. I think they should put one on
>both sides.
>* The seatbelt retractor mechanisms (F&R) on the driver side of the
>vehicle has foam insulator around it, but the passenger side does not have
>this. I have a Crew Cab. Does Ford think that the sound will be different
>or that the driver will not notice this, being 5 feet away? I was
installing
>new speakers when I found this.
>* The 120V plug for the block heater actually has another 12 inches of
>length stuffed behind the grille.
>* I found pieces of masking tape all over under the vehicle(left over
>after painting). I also found a number of rubber bands wrapped through
holes
>down under.
>* I examined the trucks on the lot and found that the brake recall TSB
>simply puts a shield over the brake line and caliper.
>* This is a design complaint. Why did for put the rear speakers in
>the C-Pillar below the rear seats? You will never hear the high frequency
>sounds clearly.
>* Has anyone looked a the stripes that separate the two-tone body
>paint on the XLT and Lariat models? Sight the line made by the stripe and
>believe me it is not straight. I used to put pin stripes on at a body
shop.
>If I were to do such a bad job, I would not have one long.
>* I doubt that many people have had the reason to drop their spare
>tire, but there is some concern. I have only 200 mi. on my truck and there
>is already quite a but of wear on the spare from rubbing on the frame. I
>don't want to be buying a new $140 tire at 3000 mi. I thought of putting
>rubber glued to the frame, but that will still cause dirt between the tire
>and rubber to wear it away.
>* There is a vacuum connector under the dash on the passenger side.
>The connector is mounted to the AC/Heater box. It is in location that I
>think could easily be kicked and damaged.
>* The sensor for the overhead temperature display is mounted in front
>of the radiator. I'm going to relocate my sensor to the side of the
>radiator. It will more representative of ambient temperature.
>* Check under your truck on the driver's side where the parking brake
>cable exits the cab. I found that the rubber grommet was not seated
properly
>in the opening. This could result in water ingress into the cab. Maybe
the
>installer just felt lazy that day, it is difficult to correct.
>
>Sorry to run on like this, but this is the reason that we use this
>newsgroup. I find the information quite valuable.
>
>Please if anyone has found other strange things about their vehicles please
>post them or e-m me directly.
>
>Thanks for listening,
>
>Scott Matus
>
>1999.1/2 F350 CC SRW 4x4 Lariat, PSD 6-Speed
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:38:27 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

i know i had the, what ever they call the things they put in the front springs
for shipment until the first oil change, its a good thing i went to a dealer
that is trust worthy for the oil change. I guess the dealer i purchase from
missed those things at delivery.

also today the F250SD is in getting brake line TSB done ,will tell if i notice
any difference.

RS



You could probably just tighten up the crank and seat the tire more firmly
to alleviate this problem.

When I first got my truck, I found a plastic spacer taped between the front
leaf springs, the spacer said "remove this" or something like it. There was
no spacer on the passenger's side of the truck. There were also a lot of
areas of scraped off paint around the axles and undersides, I took a can of
spraypaint to fix these up. There was also a lot of bare metal, which now
is of course rusty.
>>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:53:03 -0500
From: "John Luft"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

I too have found the same rust Keith mentioned. As this is my first Ford
('99 F-250 SD / V-10 4X4 / SB / SRW / CC) is this common?? I also hear a
rattle in both driver and passanger side front doors at around 50 - 60 mph.
Just adding to the list for the dealer to fix...

John

>>> "Keith Veren" 02/16/99 10:33AM >>>
Also, everyone should check the condition of their front axle tube and
differential cover pan [F-350 SD / V-10 4X4 / LB / SRW / SC]. Mine are
very
rusty. I am having my dealer replace the differential cover pan and bolts
(front axle only, the rear is fine). In any event, it looks like this
summer I will have to spend a lot of time under the truck using
rust-sealer
and other treatments and paint to make the undercarriage components look
like the new truck it is.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matus, Scott A
To: 'F 97 - New' ; 'nplocek jps.net'

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:28 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty


>I too do the same thing as you, Poke around at everything. I have found
>similar things.
>


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:05:29 -0800
From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
Subject: FTE 97up - Tire siping

Has anyone heard of 'sipeing' a tire? This is where they use a machine to
cut slits at 90 degrees across the treads. It's supposed to give extra
traction, better braking, a smoother ride, longer tire life - yada, yada.

My tire dealer is trying to sell me onit. Anyone know anything about this?

If I order a '99 F150 4x4, can I factory order 265/75R-16 tires with it to
replace the weenie stock tires? What kind and what do they charge?

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:07 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tire siping

At 11:05 2/16/99 , you wrote:
>Has anyone heard of 'sipeing' a tire? This is where they use a machine to
>cut slits at 90 degrees across the treads. It's supposed to give extra
>traction, better braking, a smoother ride, longer tire life - yada, yada.
>
>My tire dealer is trying to sell me onit. Anyone know anything about this?

I just read an article on this very subject in this month's 4Wheel
magazine. A great one, I enjoy it. Anyway, it really depends on what you
are going to do with the wheel, and how much they charge. If their machine
does it, make sure it's really 90 degrees out. Also, some only do the
inside, some only outside. you should read the article.
The main focus is what are you trying to do? It will increase traction in
wet weather, but lower it in muddy terrain. It will increase your off-road
prowess (deflated and crawling) too. HTH

Cheers,
Ryan
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:50:57 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tire siping

If you look in the typical "4X4" and "OffRoad" magazines you can find
reviews of siping. From what I have read, it works well to increase
traction. Of course, like anything else, it must be done properly. I read
that the sipes only go about 0.25 inches deep, so there is no worry about
"slicing open" your tire.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jarchow, Jaye
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:16 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Tire siping


>Has anyone heard of 'sipeing' a tire? This is where they use a machine to
>cut slits at 90 degrees across the treads. It's supposed to give extra
>traction, better braking, a smoother ride, longer tire life - yada, yada.
>
>My tire dealer is trying to sell me onit. Anyone know anything about this?
>
>If I order a '99 F150 4x4, can I factory order 265/75R-16 tires with it to
>replace the weenie stock tires? What kind and what do they charge?
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:34:27 -0500
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades

Has anyone successfully upgraded the power of a V-10 on a 99 superduty 4x4. In particular are there any good
headers/exhaust systems, power chips, air intake improvements, new camshafts, or any of the other standard
upgrades available for the V-10 and do they work. I think the ignition is something you can't fool with much given its
coil on plug design but a good exhaust coupled with a good air flow intake and a power chip should be able to get a
50 to 80 HP gain and make the V-10 a much better engine. I personally am not totally impressed with its performance
and think a 415 ci OHC engine should do better.

Thanks
George
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:09:27 -0500
From: Doug Moore
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!]

My opinion
Note: I had a dealer that might have done the same deal with my Mustang GT a
few years back. They said the car was lost then sold.
I needed transportation,
The owner > > >arranged for rental unit "as long as I it take to get your
Mustang". (It was 4 months)

Next, I asked how they where going to > make it right.
They gave me the car for 50.00 over invoice and first rights on any Mustang
GT that came in
They did all they could to make me somewhat happy.
Note: I only got this after I talk directly to the owner.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:26:54 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - info on K&N for 99SD/ PSD

In a message dated 99-02-16 17:12:30 EST, Kn cust 02 writes:


Date:99-02-16 17:12:30 EST
From:Kn cust 02
To:RS302

In a message dated 99-02-16 16:21:34 EST, you write:


To:KN Filters

Is K&N availible for 99 Ford Powerstroke Superduty yet? >>

UNFORTUNATELY IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 - 45 DAYS. CHECK BACK WITH US IN
MID TO LATE MARCH. >>


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Forwarded Message:
Subj:Re: release on 99 Superduty filter?
Date:99-02-16 17:12:30 EST
From:Kn cust 02
To:RS302

In a message dated 99-02-16 16:21:34 EST, you write:


To:KN Filters

Is K&N availible for 99 Ford Powerstroke Superduty yet? >>

UNFORTUNATELY IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 - 45 DAYS. CHECK BACK WITH US IN
MID TO LATE MARCH.
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:25:39 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades

In a message dated 99-02-16 17:42:15 EST, you write:

i will let you know when good aftermarket stuff comes about. I am in the
racing industry and usually hear about things here and there, supercharger
kits, exaust, chips(which i dont reccommend) etc.

Ross Smith
RSR Inc.

Has anyone successfully upgraded the power of a V-10 on a 99 superduty 4x4.
In particular are there any good
headers/exhaust systems, power chips, air intake improvements, new camshafts,
or any of the other standard
upgrades available for the V-10 and do they work. I think the ignition is
something you can't fool with much given its
coil on plug design but a good exhaust coupled with a good air flow intake
and a power chip should be able to get a
50 to 80 HP gain and make the V-10 a much better engine. I personally am not
totally impressed with its performance
and think a 415 ci OHC engine should do better.
>>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:55:15 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades

>From what I have heard, coupled with my experience on my own '99 F-350 V-10
4X4, is that the V-10 "loosens-up" and gains power after about 5 to 10
thousand miles. Also, I just contacted Performance Products and they are
ordering me a Borla exhaust with twin rear exhaust pipes for the V-10 F-350
SuperCab Longbed SRW. I put a Borla on my '98 Expedition 5.4L V-8 and it
added a nice growl and worked well with the K&N Air Filter to allow more air
"through-put". Checked my Expy on a dyno before installing the Borla, but
have not checked it since. Also, I plan to look into a SuperCharger for the
V-10 (wouldn't that be the balls!) but I do not know if Paxton, Vortech or
Whipple would be the way to go (they all say that their systems are the
best). Anyone out there know how to select the best SuperCharger for the
V-10?

Keith


From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades


>In a message dated 99-02-16 17:42:15 EST, you write:
>
>i will let you know when good aftermarket stuff comes about. I am in the
>racing industry and usually hear about things here and there, supercharger
>kits, exaust, chips(which i dont reccommend) etc.
>
>Ross Smith
>RSR Inc.
>
> Has anyone successfully upgraded the power of a V-10 on a 99 superduty
4x4.
>In particular are there any good
> headers/exhaust systems, power chips, air intake improvements, new
camshafts,
>or any of the other standard
> upgrades available for the V-10 and do they work.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:56:19 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty dirt trick

Did some looking and there are only 5 V-10 Lariat's in the whole state so
I'd guess that dealer trading one is out. As for waiting it shouldn't be
that long of a wait as V-10 production is up (EST. 65% PSD, 28% V-10, 7%
5.4L) . I'm kind of off on my scheduling right now (I get all my trucks at
once, deliver them when they come in, and then get a bunch of allocation
again) but a lot of the time its only 5-6 weeks to Ford's estimated time of
delivery (Although 80% of the time shipping takes longer and their 2 weeks
late). So you shouldn't have a huge wait. What did they sell the truck to
you for (price Vs. sticker). It seems odd they sold it out from under you
unless they priced it too cheap and didn't want to sell it.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!


>Ordered F250 Super Duty V10 Auto 3.73LS 4x4 LARIAT.
>
>The general manager sold it on the same day it was delivered.
>
>Now if I re-order I'm back in line behind everyone else. And how do I
>trust this guy. What's stopping him from doing the same thing to me again?
>(The truck that came in that they sold matched exactly my order number
>that I placed $500 as deposit on last Sept'98.)
>
>
>Nathan, what's the current wait, still three to five months? I'm hearing
>10 weeks from others who have just placed new orders for V10 Lariats,
>at least that's what their truck dealership is telling them anyway.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charles.
>



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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:00:58 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tire siping

Siping is very common in the heavy truck industry. It does seem to give
better traction in water and ice. I've heard that it does extend tire life.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:03:48 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment

I bought my truck from Airport Marina Ford in Marina Del Rey\Los Angeles,
Ca. and never heard of such a thing. Is this fee shown on the sticker or is
it added into the contract. I've also been to Galpin, Buerge, and Santa
Monica Ford (all in Santa Monica\L.A.) and none of them show this as part of
the deal on the contract. Are we immune to this fee in L.A.?
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To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:45 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment


>It's late, but here's what it is for the future:
>
>FDAF is the Ford Dealer Advertising Fee, a pro-rated amount based on the
>amount of money spent in the area by dealers. Usually from $100-$200
>dollars. This is a fee from Ford, that the dealer must pay as part of
>Ford's national advertising program. This is passed to the consumer EVERY
>TIME, and I've only heard of a few people who have every had this waived,
>using the argument that advertising didn't bring the people in. I consider
>this a cost of doing business, and pay it. When you buy a $28,000 truck,
>the $150 FDAF fee isn't that much. HTH.
>
>Cheers,
>Ryan
>Intranet Specialist
>Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
>Allen Systems Group
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:13:45 -0800
From: Dan Healy
Subject: FTE 97up - 97 Powerstroke

Anyone hear of the oil stick being 3/4" too long and that you must
contact the service manager of the problem? Heard it from a Warranty
Rep for Ford..


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:08:16 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 Fog light wiring

Is it a 4x4? If so the wiring is probably there but you'd need the switch,
lights, brackets, and probably a couple of relays. The Ford kit also (I
think) comes with a front valance so you might need to switch that also.

Nathan

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From: psjlelliott juno.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 10:56 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 Fog Light Wiring


>I recently purchased a 99 LD W.S. I'm wondering if anybody knows where
>(or if?) I can find wiring for fog lights? I notice that the light
>switch pulls out, like it would if the light option had been installed,
>and couldn't help wondering if everything but the bulbs was in there
>somewhere?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pete



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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:08:53 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 factory Tonneau cover

Ford is lowering the price on the factory tonneau cover from $200 to $150.
Apparently this option helps in the CAFE ratings so it is going to be
pushed.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.




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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:14:12 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

>* Inside the driver's side fender well there is a flexible water
>shield at the front. I think this was Ford's solution for the ice and
water
>buildup on the air intake. There should be a TSB on this. Because the
>passenger side wheel well does not have it. I think they should put one on
>both sides.


This feature is only on the Power Strokes and vehicles built after Dec
7th don't have it as they're now taking air from the radiator area. In the
next couple of months they will have a retrofit kit for people that live in
snowy areas to insall the new air box.




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Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:18:05 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment

The FDAF (Ford Dealer Advertising Fund) assessment is one of the few fees
that is legit. It is printed on the invoice and is for the regional
advertising that is done. The only people that don't pay are ones with a
fleet ID. The FDAF runs from $90 to $200 depending on vehicle.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: Susan Ekstrom
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 5:05 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment


>Hi all,
>
>I'm just about to leave in an hour to get, and possibly, pick up a
>leased truck. What is this FDAF Assessment? It is necessary? Or is this
>just another ploy? If possible, can someone help me in the next 1/2
>hour?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sue


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:21:50 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment

Not likely. It don't think it shows up on the window sticker.
It shows up on the factory invoice price list or the DORA.

If you dealt from retail down vs. invoice up. You've paid
FDAF.

Jose Pomposo Jr. wrote:

> I bought my truck from Airport Marina Ford in Marina Del Rey\Los Angeles,
> Ca. and never heard of such a thing. Is this fee shown on the sticker or is
> it added into the contract. I've also been to Galpin, Buerge, and Santa
> Monica Ford (all in Santa Monica\L.A.) and none of them show this as part of
> the deal on the contract. Are we immune to this fee in L.A.?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Allen
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:45 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - FDAF Assessment
>
> >It's late, but here's what it is for the future:
> >
> >FDAF is the Ford Dealer Advertising Fee, a pro-rated amount based on the
> >amount of money spent in the area by dealers. Usually from $100-$200
> >dollars. This is a fee from Ford, that the dealer must pay as part of
> >Ford's national advertising program. This is passed to the consumer EVERY
> >TIME, and I've only heard of a few people who have every had this waived,
> >using the argument that advertising didn't bring the people in. I consider
> >this a cost of doing business, and pay it. When you buy a $28,000 truck,
> >the $150 FDAF fee isn't that much. HTH.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Ryan
> >Intranet Specialist
> >Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
> >Allen Systems Group
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:24:38 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - info on K&N for 99SD/ PSD

I'd also wait until we find out what style air filter the new air box takes.
I don't have any Diesels in stock with this filter but it is different than
the other style (no foam) but I'm not sure if it's a different shape. I
would recommend getting the new style air box when it becomes available
(covered under warranty, a TSB will be published when available) because
this will reduce the amount of dirt that can get to the filter.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 5:43 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - info on K&N for 99SD/ PSD


>
>In a message dated 99-02-16 17:12:30 EST, Kn cust 02 writes:
>
>
> Date: 99-02-16 17:12:30 EST
> From: Kn cust 02
> To: RS302
>
> In a message dated 99-02-16 16:21:34 EST, you write:
>
>
> To: KN Filters
>
> Is K&N availible for 99 Ford Powerstroke Superduty yet? >>
>
> UNFORTUNATELY IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 - 45 DAYS. CHECK BACK WITH US
IN
>MID TO LATE MARCH. >>
>
>
>-----------------
>Forwarded Message:
>Subj: Re: release on 99 Superduty filter?
>Date: 99-02-16 17:12:30 EST
>From: Kn cust 02
>To: RS302
>
>In a message dated 99-02-16 16:21:34 EST, you write:
>
>
> To: KN Filters
>
> Is K&N availible for 99 Ford Powerstroke Superduty yet? >>
>
>UNFORTUNATELY IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 - 45 DAYS. CHECK BACK WITH US IN
>MID TO LATE MARCH.


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:07:39 -0500
From: "Jody Villa"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment

The only problem I have with this and the gas charge is that you are paying
sales tax based on the total vehicle cost of which these are included. Last
I checked we pay tax for gas at the pump but with any dealer in my area you
wind up paying again when sales tax is collected. I checked with the state
and they said if it's on the sticker you pay tax on it.

A question to all. If you (I) ordered a truck and negotiated the price, can
(would) you renegotiate the price after it comes in?. I'm not too happy with
the deal after hearing some of the prices people have paid and I'm thinking
of doing just that.
************************************************************
Jody Villa jvilla eclipse.net Tewksbury, NJ, USA

*************************************************************
- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment


>The FDAF (Ford Dealer Advertising Fund) assessment is one of the few fees
>that is legit. It is printed on the invoice and is for the regional
>advertising that is done. The only people that don't pay are ones with a
>fleet ID. The FDAF runs from $90 to $200 depending on vehicle.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>Union, IA 50258
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Ekstrom
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 5:05 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FDAF Assessment
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm just about to leave in an hour to get, and possibly, pick up a
>>leased truck. What is this FDAF Assessment? It is necessary? Or is this
>>just another ploy? If possible, can someone help me in the next 1/2
>>hour?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Sue
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:20:40 -0600
From: Todd Styles
Subject: FTE 97up - ford accessories

Does anybody know how to get the Ford Accessories catalog for the Super Duty
trucks? Also looking for a dealer to work with that doesn't expect retail
pricing on the accessories. Thanks, Todd. '99 F250SD,SC,PSD 6-SPEED,
4x2....
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:24:58 -0700
From: Barry McCann
Subject: FTE 97up - Surging 40MPH

I have a
new 1999
F350 PSD
Auto and
have
noticed
when I
reached
the speed
of 40 MPH
and I'm
not
feeding
the engine
much fuel,
the
transmission
"jumps" or
"surges"
into the
next two
gears.
Especially
after its
warmed up.
Does
anyone
have the
same
problem?
Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:22:42 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights

I usually just hang around and just read and take in. A couple of weeks
ago I asked a simple question and recieved about 10 bashings about my
post and not one answer to my question! Thanks to all those who have
nothing nice to say! Here is the the question re-phrased and explained
in explicit detail so I don't get bashed because I tried to save space.

Q: I would like to know which wires need to be hooked together to get my
foglights to operate with my parking lamps. I have the factory PULL-OUT
switch with the Factory Accessory FOGLIGHT KIT with the FACTORY
ACCESSORY WIRING that was installed on my 1999 Superduty truck with the
FACTORY ACCESSORY provided brackets by FACTORY TRAINED TECHS at the
local FORD DEALER.
I read awhile back that someone did this with the FACTORY F-150
FOGLIGHTS and I could not find the posting. SO could someone be so kind
to forward the info or knowledge to me???
Thanks in advance.
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:48:51 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights

You should not operate your vehicle in this fashion. Your selfish interests
are a blatant disregard for other motorists. You are obviously not
interested in being courteous, why should anyone here be courteous to you?



- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Ruth
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:36 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights


>I usually just hang around and just read and take in. A couple of weeks
>ago I asked a simple question and recieved about 10 bashings about my
>post and not one answer to my question! Thanks to all those who have
>nothing nice to say! Here is the the question re-phrased and explained
>in explicit detail so I don't get bashed because I tried to save space.
>
>Q: I would like to know which wires need to be hooked together to get my
>foglights to operate with my parking lamps. I have the factory PULL-OUT
>switch with the Factory Accessory FOGLIGHT KIT with the FACTORY
>ACCESSORY WIRING that was installed on my 1999 Superduty truck with the
>FACTORY ACCESSORY provided brackets by FACTORY TRAINED TECHS at the
>local FORD DEALER.
>I read awhile back that someone did this with the FACTORY F-150
>FOGLIGHTS and I could not find the posting. SO could someone be so kind
>to forward the info or knowledge to me???
>Thanks in advance.
>Mike
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:57:49 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights

Todd E. wrote:
>
> You should not operate your vehicle in this fashion. Your selfish interests
> are a blatant disregard for other motorists. You are obviously not
> interested in being courteous, why should anyone here be courteous to you?

BOY! IS this guy for real??? AM I correct to say that most GM vehicles
and Dodge trucks equipped with foglights are operable with the parking
lamps? Foglamps are designed to work without the use of headlights
because they direct light onto the ground below the fog; therefore,
lighting up the road better than the headlights which bounce the light
back into your eyes. I guess I am being selfish for wanting MY truck MY
way and I should contact TODD E. on how to operate MY truck.

This is the most I have ever posted to the list and to waste space in
over three years. I usually try to respond to people directly as
everyone may not wish to hear the personal response. So, apologies to
everyone on the list who must read this.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:28:04 -0600
From: Kimuel Hill
Subject: FTE 97up - Painting the steps

Has anyone tried to paint the Ford factory cab steps to match body
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:33:30 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights

Hey, chill. First, Todd E. you should not assume that because you have the
capability to control all your lights independently that you will go around
blinding people in traffic. Some people actually do go off-road and/or
drive dark, lonely stretches of road where the extra lighting increases
safety.

Second, Mike, when you capitalize words that is perceived as the same as
shouting or yelling at someone, furthermore, post more, if everyone lurked
there would not be a list.

Third, I looked through my archives and cannot find the post you mentioned
describing wiring the foglights to the parking light switch. If you tell me
the approximate date of the post, I may be able to look again and find it.


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From: Michael Ruth
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights


>Todd E. wrote:
>>
>> You should not operate your vehicle in this fashion. Your selfish
interests
>> are a blatant disregard for other motorists. You are obviously not
>> interested in being courteous, why should anyone here be courteous to
you?
>
>BOY! IS this guy for real??? AM I correct to say that most GM vehicles
>and Dodge trucks equipped with foglights are operable with the parking
>lamps? Foglamps are designed to work without the use of headlights
>because they direct light onto the ground below the fog; therefore,
>lighting up the road better than the headlights which bounce the light
>back into your eyes. I guess I am being selfish for wanting MY truck MY
>way and I should contact TODD E. on how to operate MY truck.
>
>This is the most I have ever posted to the list and to waste space in
>over three years. I usually try to respond to people directly as
>everyone may not wish to hear the personal response. So, apologies to
>everyone on the list who must read this.
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:36:55 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades

In a message dated 99-02-16 18:58:38 EST, you write:


Vortech is the best, warranty and great on service, just cant beat a good S
trim, i don;t know if they are avalible yet for V 10, im sure by end of summer
they should have a kit ready.

Ross S.



From what I have heard, coupled with my experience on my own '99 F-350 V-10
4X4, is that the V-10 "loosens-up" and gains power after about 5 to 10
thousand miles. Also, I just contacted Performance Products and they are
ordering me a Borla exhaust with twin rear exhaust pipes for the V-10 F-350
SuperCab Longbed SRW. I put a Borla on my '98 Expedition 5.4L V-8 and it
added a nice growl and worked well with the K&N Air Filter to allow more air
"through-put". Checked my Expy on a dyno before installing the Borla, but
have not checked it since. Also, I plan to look into a SuperCharger for the
V-10 (wouldn't that be the balls!) but I do not know if Paxton, Vortech or
Whipple would be the way to go (they all say that their systems are the
best). Anyone out there know how to select the best SuperCharger for the
V-10?

Keith
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:36:58 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Oddities - Super Duty

In a message dated 99-02-16 19:24:09 EST, you write:



i bought my truck back in november and there was no TSB on the air intake.

Ross S.
RSR Inc.

Date:99-02-16 19:24:09 EST
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>* Inside the driver's side fender well there is a flexible water
>shield at the front. I think this was Ford's solution for the ice and
water
>buildup on the air intake. There should be a TSB on this. Because the
>passenger side wheel well does not have it. I think they should put one on
>both sides.


This feature is only on the Power Strokes and vehicles built after Dec
7th don't have it as they're now taking air from the radiator area. In the
next couple of months they will have a retrofit kit for people that live in
snowy areas to insall the new air box.




Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:37:01 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Painting the steps

In a message dated 99-02-16 22:31:39 EST, you write:


good luck! i doubt you can get anything to stick to those things.

RS

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:15:16 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights

Whoa!!! Wait a minute!!! Running your fog lights without headlights is
discourteous??? How so? How are fog lights "a blatant disregard for other
motorists"? Unless the lights are misaimed, they are no different than
standard headlights. If they are not properly aimed, they are as dangerous
as headlights that are blinding oncoming traffic due to having a heavy load
in our trucks.

- -Julian

At 21:48 02/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
>You should not operate your vehicle in this fashion. Your selfish interests
>are a blatant disregard for other motorists. You are obviously not
>interested in being courteous, why should anyone here be courteous to you?
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Ruth
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:36 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty Foglights
>
>
>>I usually just hang around and just read and take in. A couple of weeks
>>ago I asked a simple question and recieved about 10 bashings about my
>>post and not one answer to my question! Thanks to all those who have
>>nothing nice to say! Here is the the question re-phrased and explained
>>in explicit detail so I don't get bashed because I tried to save space.
>>
>>Q: I would like to know which wires need to be hooked together to get my
>>foglights to operate with my parking lamps. I have the factory PULL-OUT
>>switch with the Factory Accessory FOGLIGHT KIT with the FACTORY
>>ACCESSORY WIRING that was installed on my 1999 Superduty truck with the
>>FACTORY ACCESSORY provided brackets by FACTORY TRAINED TECHS at the
>>local FORD DEALER.
>>I read awhile back that someone did this with the FACTORY F-150
>>FOGLIGHTS and I could not find the posting. SO could someone be so kind
>>to forward the info or knowledge to me???
>>Thanks in advance.
>>Mike

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:50:40 -0800
From: Jon Lam
Subject: FTE 97up - Outstanding TSB's for 1997 F-150

I have just purchased a used 1997 F-150 2wd, 4.2 V6, SC, 5sp. from the
local Ford dealer. The warranty is going to expire in another 5000kms
and I would
like to know are there any outstanding TSB's I should worry about? So
far, the rear slider window has a small leak whenever it rains and I
have also noticed that the up shifting is rather stiff and slow. The
truck also does not come with any maintenance schedule, does anyone know
where I could obtain one?

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:08:21 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 V-10 power upgrades

> Also, I plan to look into a SuperCharger for the
>V-10 (wouldn't that be the balls!) but I do not know if Paxton, Vortech or
>Whipple would be the way to go (they all say that their systems are the
>best). Anyone out there know how to select the best SuperCharger for the
>V-10?
>
>Keith
The following is what I received from the " Vortech Guy " and a blurb from
another outfit that offers racing add on's. I have a welder friend "
fabricator " who can make a new bracket. If anyone can supply a picture of
a Vortech S trim on and Expedition with the 5.8 I would appreciate it.
I'll be working on this over the next few months. I'll post as soon as
I've made some progress.

pk

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:41:34 -0800
From: "Vortech Technical Support" [Add to
Address Book]
Subject: Re:
To: perry_klein excite.com


Perry,
We do not have a complete bolt on system for your V10 but our mounting
bracket will fit. The only problem is that once the blower and bracket
assembly is completely attached to the motor, the hood won't close. Once
you figure out a way around this then you've gotten past the hardest part
of custom fitting a supercharger to a vehicle. What it all boils down to is
there is a great deal of fabricating that needs to be done in order to
successfully supercharge any vehicle. As long as you know that going in and
are comfortable with that idea then we will be more than willing to supply
you with any parts that we can to help out.
Thanks for writing!

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