97up-list-digest Sunday, February 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 040



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!
FTE 97up - Re: Mirrors
FTE 97up - Re: F450/550
FTE 97up - Re: PSD Starting
Re: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Starting
Re: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Starting
FTE 97up - F450 F550 Pricing, Option info
FTE 97up - F350DRW pickup vs chassis
Re: FTE 97up - The death of a mirror
Re: FTE 97up - The death of a mirror
Re: FTE 97up - '99SD GVWR 250 vs 350

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:08:49 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!

What exactly did you order? I wouldn't believe the aerostar (Windstar)
story as Ford isn't overly helpful on anything anymore.

Nathan Bernard

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From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!


>I called Ford Customer Care's 800 number and they too were sorry,
>but - and get this, he said "this is a dealership issue, the Ford Company
>met their commitment by delivering the truck to the dealer on time."
>
>I next went in person to the dealership, here is their name by-the-way:
>
>Sycamore Auto Center (Ford/Mazda), INC.
>Hwy. 23 and Coltonville Rd.
>Sycamore, Illinois 60178
>
>I spoke with the sales manager, the guy I placed the order with originally.
>The general manager never appeared.
>
>As far as my truck its history - somewhere now in Wisconsin drives a
>happy trucker. Anyway, first, I needed transportation, which he quickly
>arranged ('99 Contour) for "as long as I want". Next, I asked how he was
>going to make it right to me. Could he get me the same truck without the
>4-1/2 month wait. Here's what he said; and Nathan can best judge if there
>is any truth or hope in this.
>
>For the Chicago Auto Show, Sycamore Auto Center provided a Aerostar
>or something like that to Ford especially for the show. He said "Aerostars"
>are hard to get like Super Duty's, so now Ford owes them. So maybe he
>can use this debt to push me to the front of the line if I re-order. He
also has
>
>a loaded XLT coming in next week that I would get first crack at. It has
>about the same features plus snow plow package, 4.10 rear end. Just no
>leather or overhead console or tow package (he'd add the tow at a local
>shop).
>
>Oops, here's my ride back to pickup the loaner, I'll be back on Monday
>with an update.
>
>Charles.
>
>
>
>
>The general manager never came out to
>apologize. Anyway,
>
>George Rigney wrote:
>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Please name the dealership, salesman, & location. People on the list who
>> live in this area should spread the word on what a scumbag the guy is.
>> Also, report him to the Chamber of Commerce, the Better Business Bureau,
>> etc. Call your district attorney to see if any laws were broken (such as
>> fraud). My sincere sympathies. Anyone who lives in his area who knows
of a
>> trustworthy dealer, please speak up. That salesman is so low he ought to
>> run for president.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 2:01 PM
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Dirty Trick!!!
>>
>> My dealer just told me that my Super Duty came in yesterday - but
>> was sold to someone by his general manager thinking it was "retail".
>>
>> All I have to show for waiting four and one half months is "sorry".
>> I even sold my car last week in anticipation of delivery this week.
>> I'm at a lost what to do next.
>>
>> Talk to you after I recover,
>>
>> Charles.
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:33:31 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Mirrors

> If you were to own a SD Crew Cab Short Bed and use it as your everyday
> vehicle and also use it as a tow vehicle for a 22 foot boat in the summers,
> would you order the trailer tow mirrors or stick with the regular mirrors?
>

Measure and see if they really stick out very much more - I think you
will be surprised. The standard mirror is wide and the trailer mirror
is tall but narrower, so the long arm is actually just making up for
some of the width of the standard mirror.

I ordered trailer mirrors but when the vehicle came it had the standard
power mirrors (mistake on order entry by dealer). I measured and found
there was only a few inches difference anyway, so I accepted them. The
standard power mirrors are pretty decent for towing (I haul a 28 ft
fifth wheel), so if you are concerned you can safely stick with them.
I'd rather have the trailer mirrors, though.
- --
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:45:08 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F450/550

> What else should I be considering. Where can I get my questions asked.
> Please don't send me to a truck salesman.
>
Mike, I suggest you ask some questions over at the RV Club's RV-Talk
list (www.rvclub.com will get you to the subscription info) where there
are a lot of people towing big 5W's.

I'm using an F250 SD SC to tow a 10,000# 5W, but you are right to be
looking at much larger tow vehicles. I think you can forget about the
"sports car", but it will be a practical vehicle .
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:58:04 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Starting

My 99 PSD seems to start harder than others I have overheard. When I
first got it, it cranked for only about 2 turns before starting (after
the WAIT light went out, of course). After a couple months, it began to
take a couple more turns. Now it cranks several turns before starting,
even when fully warmed up. Am I seeing the symptoms of a problem -
maybe some failed glow plugs - or is this similar to what others are
experiencing?

It's hard to complain to Ford about "hard starting" when it still
starts right up after 4-5 seconds, but when I hear someone else crank
their PSD, it seems to start almost instantly. Comments?
- --
Gary
in Florida's Ocala National Forest
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:03:54 -0700
From: Dale Ellis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Starting

Gary, if you haven't already tried it, wait another thirty seconds after
the Wait light goes out. The glow plugs continue heating for some time
after starting, so that extra time should increase the combustion chamber
heat somewhat. Might help to define the problem.

Also, do you see smoke after start indicating unburned fuel? Or it might
be that you are not getting fuel injected during the initial cranking.

I have a year old '97 PSD, now with 18,500 miles, and it continues to start
right away.

Dale Ellis

At 2/13/99 07:58 AM, you wrote:
>My 99 PSD seems to start harder than others I have overheard. When I
>first got it, it cranked for only about 2 turns before starting (after
>the WAIT light went out, of course). After a couple months, it began to
>take a couple more turns. Now it cranks several turns before starting,
>even when fully warmed up. Am I seeing the symptoms of a problem -
>maybe some failed glow plugs - or is this similar to what others are
>experiencing?
>
>It's hard to complain to Ford about "hard starting" when it still
>starts right up after 4-5 seconds, but when I hear someone else crank
>their PSD, it seems to start almost instantly. Comments?
>--
> Gary
> in Florida's Ocala National Forest
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:49:44 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Starting

In a message dated 2/13/99 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, gbrinck gate.net
writes:

i was thinking mine took a little while longer to fire up also, i have almost
7k on the clock. I am in the panhandle of FL.

Ross S
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4



Date:2/13/99 10:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:gbrinck gate.net (Gary & Nancy Brinck)
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My 99 PSD seems to start harder than others I have overheard. When I
first got it, it cranked for only about 2 turns before starting (after
the WAIT light went out, of course). After a couple months, it began to
take a couple more turns. Now it cranks several turns before starting,
even when fully warmed up. Am I seeing the symptoms of a problem -
maybe some failed glow plugs - or is this similar to what others are
experiencing?

It's hard to complain to Ford about "hard starting" when it still
starts right up after 4-5 seconds, but when I hear someone else crank
their PSD, it seems to start almost instantly. Comments?
--
Gary
in Florida's Ocala National Forest
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:06:35 -0500
From: Rick Waldbart
Subject: FTE 97up - F450 F550 Pricing, Option info

I'd like to be as informed as possible when I approach the
dealer and I'm having trouble finding the specific info on
the F450 and F550 trucks.

I find plenty of information on the F350 and F250's in Edmund's
and the Kelly Blue Book sites.

Does anyone have some useful sites for the bigger models? Got to
do the homework.

Thanks, and best regards.
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:28:17 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: FTE 97up - F350DRW pickup vs chassis

While we are comparing trucks here...
Why does the 99 F350 DRW CC LWB PSD pickup have a max GVWR of 11200, yet
the chassis cab can go to 12500?
Ford claims that both frames are made out of similar strength material,
does the bend in the frame really weaken it 1300 pounds?
This may sound like a silly question to most, but I took the time to weigh
all the things that will go into / onto the new truck when it gets here
(tools, tool boxes, winch, cap, roof rack, etc), and I'll only have a 500#
margin for "additional cargo" [in what's left of the bed and on the roof
rack and trailer tongue weight.]
(Ford's numbers all assume a passenger in every seat and that's the way I
want to figure it, cause this is also the family car.)
- -longhair

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:40:55 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The death of a mirror

I have now seen (via OK4WD in Stewartsville NJ) a "PowerVision LLC" mirror.
It's about the same size as the SD TrailerTow mirrors, but it's horizontal
(landscape) instead of vertical (portrait) - akin to the Chevy style, but
larger. And all flat (no space lost to the convex at the bottom.)
It is 6-way adjustable (up/down, left/right, and about 12" extend/retract).
The price was about $450/set including controls, plus installation.
I called 800-337-2557 to find the local dealer.

I won't be choosing this on my truck because with the DRW I don't think
that I'll save much width anyway, and the "high side" truck boxes will
restrict vision in the retracted mode. However I was very impressed with
the unit.

(ps I have no affiliation with manufacturer, I just thought this was worth
investigating if you are concerned about the width of the "dumbo" mirrors.)
- -longhair

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:57:36 -0500
From: "Jody Villa"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The death of a mirror

Hi Dave, how do you like dealing with OK4WD?. I was going to use them for a
few items when my truck comes in next month.
************************************************************
Jody Villa jvilla eclipse.net Tewksbury, NJ, USA


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From: davesomers
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The death of a mirror


>I have now seen (via OK4WD in Stewartsville NJ) a "PowerVision LLC" mirror.
>It's about the same size as the SD TrailerTow mirrors, but it's horizontal
>(landscape) instead of vertical (portrait) - akin to the Chevy style, but
>larger. And all flat (no space lost to the convex at the bottom.)
>It is 6-way adjustable (up/down, left/right, and about 12" extend/retract).
>The price was about $450/set including controls, plus installation.
>I called 800-337-2557 to find the local dealer.
>
>I won't be choosing this on my truck because with the DRW I don't think
>that I'll save much width anyway, and the "high side" truck boxes will
>restrict vision in the retracted mode. However I was very impressed with
>the unit.
>
>(ps I have no affiliation with manufacturer, I just thought this was worth
>investigating if you are concerned about the width of the "dumbo" mirrors.)
>-longhair
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:15:45 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99SD GVWR 250 vs 350

RAMWORKER aol.com wrote:
>
> Jean,
>
> Nathan is partially correct about the thickness of the material.
> Section Modulus is a shorthand evaluation of the strength of the
> SHAPE of the material.
MAJOR SNIP
> I'm sorry about the length of this post, but I am in the steel
> fabrication business, and I get a little excited about subjects
> dear to my heart. Let me know if my explanation is unclear or
....


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