97up-list-digest Saturday, January 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 004



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater
Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater
FTE 97up - Heater Smell
FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong
FTE 97up - DRL wiring colors
FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Group Purchase
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong
FTE 97up - Whoops
Re: FTE 97up - Heater Smell
Re: FTE 97up - Heater Smell
FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value

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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:15:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

> >This is NOT a good idea -- leaving it in MAX for more than a few
> >minutes to make it cool down, initially!
> >
> >later,
> > Alan
>
> At highway speeds the vehicles aren't terribly airtight. Road
> trips with 4 people in the car and MAX AC for 2-3 hours at a
> time have never been a problem. I don't think Ford would make
> it airtight - otherwise they'd have a ton of lawsuits.

I have driven in bumper-to-bumper traffic, highway traffic, etc., and I
keep it on MAX (except when I park the truck, to let it exchange air), and
had no ill effects. Even on MAX, it isn't airtight, since I do sometimes
smell stinky (usually an older Mercedes turdo diesel) cars about 30-60
secs after encountering them.



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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:46:10 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:20:00 -0500, you wrote:

:>
:>Is that the same "MAX" that shuts off the outside air?
:>
:>Do you ever feel a little sleepy in there? That's the first
:>sign of oxygen starvation -- which is what happens when you
:>breathe up all the air in the cab! =20
:>
:>I've had this happen to me, but managed to catch it and open a
:>window just before I would have driven off the road.
:>
:>This is NOT a good idea -- leaving it in MAX for more than a few
:>minutes to make it cool down, initially!
:>
:>later,
:> Alan
:
:At highway speeds the vehicles aren't terribly airtight. Road
:trips with 4 people in the car and MAX AC for 2-3 hours at a
:time have never been a problem. I don't think Ford would make
:it airtight - otherwise they'd have a ton of lawsuits.
:
:
Well, it was with 4 people in a car, a Ford actually, that I
first had this happen. My little brother was driving, and I
didn't realize he had put the AC in MAX -- Not until we had been
driving for less than45 minutes and he started weaving around on
the road.

I was so sleepy I almost couldn't get the words out to tell him
to move the control out of MAX or to open a window.

Since then, I've only used MAX for a few minutes for the initial
cooldown, if needed at all!

Don't kid yourself!
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:53:07 -0600
From: greg_lewis metro.nashville.org
Subject: FTE 97up - Heater Smell

Nathan what is your opinion on the "stinky" heater problem?

Should we all band together and write Ford a letter asking them to
"permanently" remedy this situation?


Greg Lewis
Support Center
615-880-3812


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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:43:45 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong

Sorry about posting incorrect info from Trailer Life about the 4X4
lowering warranty coverage, but it's good news that Ford is covering
this change. I wonder why they felt the extra rear end height was
needed in the first place? I doubt if they did it just because they
had extra parts laying around, so there must be some advantage to it.
Maybe just in off-road use?
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:28:01 -0500
From: "Larry Hackler"
Subject: FTE 97up - DRL wiring colors

For those who wanted this info:

First, I would like to warn you that I'm not sure your wiring colors are the
same as mine. I have a '99 F150 XLT 4x4 SC shortbed. Use this information
knowing that you should use what you can to make sure that you do not damage
your vehicle. I believe the instructions give you some test to do to check
the wiring.

OK, here they are:

Six wires coming out of the Ford DRL module.

First two wire I will mention go to wires in a large bundle behind the dash
almost in line with the steering wheel. The installer cut the plastic
bundle and put tape on the edges (I assume to keep the cut from cutting to
the wire insulation. The tech cut the insulation off a small area and
wrapped the wire from the DRL module tightly around the wire in the bundle.
This left some wire exposed and I am going to put something around them to
insulate the copper. That was the only thing about the installation I did
not like.

Wire (1):
Red wire from inline fuse on DRL module goes to a large wire colored green
with black stripe running along NOT around the wire

Wire (2):
From DRL module a red wire with small green stripe spiraling around goes to
a large blue wire with a small green stripe along wire.

Wire (3) or Ground (?) wire:

Black wire goes to ground. The tech made this ground by screwing a into a
horizontal steel surface in the firewall in front of the driver.

Next two wires went to the general area of the light switch. I could not
trace it all the way to the light switch, and I did not remember how to take
the switch out. But I believe the instructions tell you which wires go to
the switch.

Wire (4):

Red wire with small black stripe looks like it goes to light switch.

Wire (5):

Solid brown wire seems to go toward light switch.

Wire (6):

Purple wire with small white stripe is cut close to DRL module and go to
nothing.

Hope this helps, let me know where I did not have the information or I was
wrong.

Larry

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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:40:09 -0500
From: Chris Akers
Subject: FTE 97up - K&N FIPK Group Purchase

Sorry to anyone who is also on the F150 online list and has
seen this already...

A group of us have worked a deal with an online parts supplier to
get the K&N FIPK air intake kit for '97-'98 F150s with 4.6/5.4 V8
engines. Our price is $163.50 including shipping UPS ground anywhere
in US. The typical price for this kit is around $190-200 + shipping.

We need 10 folks and are currently have around 5. Send me private
email if interested. I'm not making anything from this deal - except
hopefully getting the K&N for the good price listed!

Thanks,
jC. '67 Camaro, '95 Z28, '98 F150 5.4 - lugnutz.com
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Celotek Corporation phone:919-462-1900 x259
P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.celotek.com
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:06:53 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong

In a message dated 99-01-08 09:52:34 EST, you write:


we all make mistakes, i would like to know if this might level it out a bit on
my F 250 SD 4x4 w/ offroad, its a bitch throwing 50-100 hay bails and feed
bags in the back, also i will say i have had to use alot of drop on the hitch
for trailer, it pulls like a champ 75.

Ross Smith
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Sorry about posting incorrect info from Trailer Life about the 4X4
lowering warranty coverage, but it's good news that Ford is covering
this change. I wonder why they felt the extra rear end height was
needed in the first place? I doubt if they did it just because they
had extra parts laying around, so there must be some advantage to it.
Maybe just in off-road use?
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:18:47 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong

Well, I can't comment for sure on Ford's thinking, but I've heard a lot of
complaints about GM trucks sitting so low to the ground that the only way to
tell if its 4wd is to look for the sticker. Most people like the extra
height of the Super Duty.

Nathan

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From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong


>Sorry about posting incorrect info from Trailer Life about the 4X4
>lowering warranty coverage, but it's good news that Ford is covering
>this change. I wonder why they felt the extra rear end height was
>needed in the first place? I doubt if they did it just because they
>had extra parts laying around, so there must be some advantage to it.
>Maybe just in off-road use?
>--
> Gary Brinck


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:34:29 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong

Correct Nathan! For those out there who wonder why the SuperDuties sit
high, especially in the rear, try using them as they were intended by
putting 1,500 to 2,000 lbs. in the bed and you will have a nice level
smooth-riding truck.

Keith

PS. I am looking to add a little beef and 3" of height in the front to
counteract my 850 lb. snowplow.


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From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong


>Well, I can't comment for sure on Ford's thinking, but I've heard a lot of
>complaints about GM trucks sitting so low to the ground that the only way
to
>tell if its 4wd is to look for the sticker. Most people like the extra
>height of the Super Duty.
>
>Nathan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 8:55 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Trailer Life Wrong
>
>
>>Sorry about posting incorrect info from Trailer Life about the 4X4
>>lowering warranty coverage, but it's good news that Ford is covering
>>this change. I wonder why they felt the extra rear end height was
>>needed in the first place? I doubt if they did it just because they
>>had extra parts laying around, so there must be some advantage to it.
>>Maybe just in off-road use?
>>--
>> Gary Brinck
>
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:38:34 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Whoops

Sorry, did not intend a negative "tone" to my previous response (below).
Once you hit "send", that's it, you can't call it back!

Keith









counteract my 850 lb. snowplow.


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:01:24 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Heater Smell

Once in a while we get a vehicle that doesn't drain water like it should.
You usually know this when you wash the Vehicle because the passenger side
floor will get wet. Most of the smelly ventilation complaints are fixed by
spraying Motorcraft Air Conditioner System deodorizer (part #YN-15). This
is about the only thing I've found that actually seems to kill the smell
instead of covering it.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: greg_lewis metro.nashville.org
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 8:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Heater Smell


>Nathan what is your opinion on the "stinky" heater problem?
>
>Should we all band together and write Ford a letter asking them to
>"permanently" remedy this situation?
>
>
>Greg Lewis
>Support Center
>615-880-3812


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:15:23 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Heater Smell

In a message dated 99-01-08 18:11:54 EST, you write:


you know what i kinda notice the smell today when it paying attention warmed
up today finally i used the a/c, and it did have a strange smell....i
probably looked like a moron going down the road sniffing the a/c!

Anyone thought about changeing to synthetic oil yet? i am toying with the idea

Ross Smith
99 F 250SD PSD/SC/4x4




Once in a while we get a vehicle that doesn't drain water like it should.
You usually know this when you wash the Vehicle because the passenger side
floor will get wet. Most of the smelly ventilation complaints are fixed by
spraying Motorcraft Air Conditioner System deodorizer (part #YN-15). This
is about the only thing I've found that actually seems to kill the smell
instead of covering it.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
>>
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:37:34 -0800
From: Steve Eckhart
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Pan Drain Plug Torque Value

Hello--
Does anybody know what the torque setting should be for the oil pan drain....

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