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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Tool boxes
FTE 97up - Helm Manual on CD-ROM
Re: FTE 97up - Helm Manual on CD-ROM
FTE 97up - limited slip differential
Re: FTE 97up - Tool boxes
Re: FTE 97up - Tool boxes
Re: FTE 97up - Tool boxes
FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
RE: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
Re: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats
RE: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
Re: FTE 97up - limited slip differential
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats
FTE 97up - Wheel Maintanence
FTE 97up - Re: PSD compared to Cummins
FTE 97up - chip for psd
Re: FTE 97up - Wheel Maintanence
FTE 97up - Accessories/Power Location
FTE 97up - Chips for PSD
FTE 97up - progress report
FTE 97up - Superduty foglights
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty foglights

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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 06:31:13 -0800
From: Joe Zuk
Subject: FTE 97up - Tool boxes

One of my co-workers has an older Ford pick up. This truck has a tool
box that is mounted under the bed (between the side wall and frame) and
has an access door cut into the side wall of the truck. So the tool box
takes up no space inside the truck bed. Does anyone know if these are
available for the 99 F250SD? Is there a after market company that I can
order these from?
BTW the truck is around a 1970 or so and he got it used.

Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:16:51 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Helm Manual on CD-ROM

I received my CD-ROM manual yesterday. I only gave it about an hour of
inspection. I am replacing the Paper manual with the electronic version. I
did not like that the paper version did not have the wiring diagrams and
cost $140.00. The CD-ROM version does have the wiring diagrams an costs
$170.00.

The navigation through the sections and sub sections is clumsy. The screen
will split as it looks in the paper version to show graphics. The images
need a better zoom, you cannot read the text on the diagrams using a 15"
monitor. You need to print it to read it clearly. Yes, the print
capabilities are nice in that you can print ANYthing from the CD-ROM, both
text and graphics.

The content is different from the paper version. There are clear cut
diagnostic procedures that are designed like a Web Page link. You will
follow a procedure up to a question, usually Yes or No. Next to the answers
is a link to bring up another diagnostic procedure, and so on. This is not
found in the paper version. I like the idea of incorporating Decision Trees
for diagnostics. This makes the electronic manual worth the clumsy
navigation.

Scott Matus
99 F350 4x4 CC PSD
98 F150 4x4 SC 4.6L
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:31:27 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Helm Manual on CD-ROM

At 10:16 2/9/99 , you wrote:
>I received my CD-ROM manual yesterday. I only gave it about an hour of
>inspection. I am replacing the Paper manual with the electronic version. I
>did not like that the paper version did not have the wiring diagrams and
>cost $140.00. The CD-ROM version does have the wiring diagrams an costs
>$170.00.

Sounds like a winner, save the sorry navigation. Can you order the CD-ROM
version only from Helm's, or can you get it from Amazon.com, et al.? Also,
does the CD-ROM offer any type of subscription service, so if things are
changed (procedures, mid-production changes, etc.) you can get an updated
CD-ROM?

Thanks,
Ryan
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:40:49 +0000
From: "Norman K. Burke"
Subject: FTE 97up - limited slip differential

I have a question of anyone who might have the answer, namely: My truck
is the 1998 Lariat with5.4l triton engine, 4x4 with offroad package,3.55
limited slip axle, regular cab,17" tires. The other day I got stuck in a
snow berm, my left wheel was spinning continuously, right wheel was not
moving, front wheels were spinning, I was high centered and had 480lbs
sand over the rear wheels in the bed. Question, why did my lsd not
transfer the drive torque to the right wheel and allow me to drive out
of my situation? I guess I need an education on the value of the lsd
under any situation.
Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:03:36 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tool boxes

That actually was a factory option for several years. Whether it still is
available, I have no idea. Most folks I knew that had them, liked them.

Gus
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:46:21 -0800
From: Brian K Moberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tool boxes

Take a look at www.hidenside.com

Poor website as far as info and details go but worth a look.
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:32:30 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tool boxes

Any of the options that I'm aware of require some amount of
body cuts. Cost will be influenced by how pretty the finish needs to
look.

>From lightest to heaviest weight options:

I have a friend thats found a body shop that
will do a modification to the bed. Cut a hole in the section between the
cab and rear wheel well and wheel well height. Still allows use of
a slide in camper, and he gets lockable storage. Uses the bed for
supporting most of the load. More suitable for a long bed than short
bed. I might consider a location after the rear wheels on my
short bed.

I've seen small version of truck boxes, like the kind you find on
Semi trucks and Bob-tails. Most likely requires some attachment to
the frame. Some place like weather guard has pricy aluminum boxes,
and another like specialty truck parts has relatively inexpensive steel boxes.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.weatherguard.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.specialtytruck.com/ see the wheels & deals list and get their
mailer. 18' x 24" = $165

Local welding/RV shop might be able to fabricate something too.

Rickard bumpers makes a very cool bumper with internal storage, but
they are about 200 - 250 lbs (see turtle expedition). Could be
an issue, if you are sticking a big payload in the back.


- -john

Joe Zuk wrote:

> One of my co-workers has an older Ford pick up. This truck has a tool
> box that is mounted under the bed (between the side wall and frame) and
> has an access door cut into the side wall of the truck. So the tool box
> takes up no space inside the truck bed. Does anyone know if these are
> available for the 99 F250SD? Is there a after market company that I can
> order these from?
> BTW the truck is around a 1970 or so and he got it used.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:55:42 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security

I just got the spare tire from my 99 SD stolen a couple of days ago. I'd
heard somewhere about a lock for these bottom mounted spares, but haven't
seen anything since I've owned my truck. Does anyone know where to get a
lock? And I hope the rest of you learn my lesson the easy way, and lock
those things up. You may have lost yours already and don't even know it, if
they hadn't left the tire holder hanging down, I would never have known.



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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:19:27 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security

Ford makes a lock that installs in the crank sleeve. The part # was either
F65Z 1A043 AA or F65Z 1A380 AA for my 97 - ones the spare lock and the other
is for wheel locks.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Todd E.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:56 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
>
>
> I just got the spare tire from my 99 SD stolen a couple of days ago. I'd
> heard somewhere about a lock for these bottom mounted spares, but haven't
> seen anything since I've owned my truck. Does anyone know where to get a
> lock? And I hope the rest of you learn my lesson the easy way, and lock
> those things up. You may have lost yours already and don't even
> know it, if
> they hadn't left the tire holder hanging down, I would never have known.
>
>


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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:02:52 -0600
From: Barry Birkey
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security

"Todd E." wrote:
>
> I just got the spare tire from my 99 SD stolen a couple of days ago. I'd
> heard somewhere about a lock for these bottom mounted spares, but haven't
> seen anything since I've owned my truck. Does anyone know where to get a
> lock? And I hope the rest of you learn my lesson the easy way, and lock

This is odd. My 99 SD came with a steel cable and weather proof lock
that goes around the tire. I just thought this was standard.

- -Barry

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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:19:53 -0700
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats

Can someone describe the floor mats included with the '99 250 SD Lariet
CC trucks?
The day after delivery, I noticed that they were missing. The salesman
ordered some and they arrived today (although the back mats for the CC
were missing in this package).
These mats look rather inexpensive and thin, so I am just wondering.

Also, what is the purpose of the 2" plastic hook on the floor (drivers
side), that looks like something wants to clip onto it. My initial
reaction was it was for attachment of the mats - but the ones shipped to
me don't use it.

The part number of the package (mats) shipped to me is:

XL3Z-1513086-DAA - Floor Mat Kit (Medium Prarie Tan)

(The dealer is 65 miles away, or I would drive over and ask.)

Thanks....

Norm
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:43:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill davis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats

The black hook on the floor is in place to keep the drivers side floor
mat from slipping. The floor mat should have an attachment to connect
it ti the hook.


- ---Norm Brown wrote:
>
> Can someone describe the floor mats included with the '99 250 SD
Lariet
> CC trucks?
> The day after delivery, I noticed that they were missing. The salesman
> ordered some and they arrived today (although the back mats for the CC
> were missing in this package).
> These mats look rather inexpensive and thin, so I am just wondering.
>
> Also, what is the purpose of the 2" plastic hook on the floor (drivers
> side), that looks like something wants to clip onto it. My initial
> reaction was it was for attachment of the mats - but the ones
shipped to
> me don't use it.
>
> The part number of the package (mats) shipped to me is:
>
> XL3Z-1513086-DAA - Floor Mat Kit (Medium Prarie Tan)
>
> (The dealer is 65 miles away, or I would drive over and ask.)
>
> Thanks....
>
> Norm
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:54:52 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats

I wasn't aware that floor mats were part of the Lariat package - but
customer ordered through the dealership ($60 front and $40 rear set).

I'll let you know if I get any on my Lariat super cab due this week.

Charles.

Norm Brown wrote:

> Can someone describe the floor mats included with the '99 250 SD Lariet
> CC trucks?
> The day after delivery, I noticed that they were missing. The salesman
> ordered some and they arrived today (although the back mats for the CC
> were missing in this package).
> These mats look rather inexpensive and thin, so I am just wondering.
>
> Also, what is the purpose of the 2" plastic hook on the floor (drivers
> side), that looks like something wants to clip onto it. My initial
> reaction was it was for attachment of the mats - but the ones shipped to
> me don't use it.
>
> The part number of the package (mats) shipped to me is:
>
> XL3Z-1513086-DAA - Floor Mat Kit (Medium Prarie Tan)
>
> (The dealer is 65 miles away, or I would drive over and ask.)
>
> Thanks....
>
> Norm
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:07:04 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security

Sorry gang. Missed the SD on the original post. Obviously mine is a LD as
it's from 97.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Lewoniuk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:19 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
>
>
> Ford makes a lock that installs in the crank sleeve. The part # was either
> F65Z 1A043 AA or F65Z 1A380 AA for my 97 - ones the spare lock
> and the other
> is for wheel locks.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Todd E.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:56 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 97up - Spare Tire Security
> >
> >
> > I just got the spare tire from my 99 SD stolen a couple of days
> ago. I'd
> > heard somewhere about a lock for these bottom mounted spares,
> but haven't
> > seen anything since I've owned my truck. Does anyone know
> where to get a
> > lock? And I hope the rest of you learn my lesson the easy way, and lock
> > those things up. You may have lost yours already and don't even
> > know it, if
> > they hadn't left the tire holder hanging down, I would never have known.
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:24:38 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - limited slip differential

The Limited slip requires some torque to activate. If you'd applied the
brakes slightly or set the parking brake a couple of notches it should have
engaged.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Norman K. Burke
To: Ford Truck
Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:04 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - limited slip differential


>I have a question of anyone who might have the answer, namely: My truck
>is the 1998 Lariat with5.4l triton engine, 4x4 with offroad package,3.55
>limited slip axle, regular cab,17" tires. The other day I got stuck in a
>snow berm, my left wheel was spinning continuously, right wheel was not
>moving, front wheels were spinning, I was high centered and had 480lbs
>sand over the rear wheels in the bed. Question, why did my lsd not
>transfer the drive torque to the right wheel and allow me to drive out
>of my situation? I guess I need an education on the value of the lsd
>under any situation.
>Thanks,
>John
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:23:26 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats

You got took, you have the universal floor mats, and you should have the
custom fit ($34 Vs 60). The ones from the factory should have a hole in the
drivers mat to latch to that hook. The part you should have is F81Z
2513086 AAA front and F81Z 2813106 AAA rear.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Norm Brown
To: 97up-list
Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 3:37 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD Lariet Floor Mats


>Can someone describe the floor mats included with the '99 250 SD Lariet
>CC trucks?
>The day after delivery, I noticed that they were missing. The salesman
>ordered some and they arrived today (although the back mats for the CC
>were missing in this package).
>These mats look rather inexpensive and thin, so I am just wondering.
>
>Also, what is the purpose of the 2" plastic hook on the floor (drivers
>side), that looks like something wants to clip onto it. My initial
>reaction was it was for attachment of the mats - but the ones shipped to
>me don't use it.
>
>The part number of the package (mats) shipped to me is:
>
>XL3Z-1513086-DAA - Floor Mat Kit (Medium Prarie Tan)
>
>(The dealer is 65 miles away, or I would drive over and ask.)
>
>Thanks....
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:42:47 -0500
From: hyperkite
Subject: FTE 97up - Wheel Maintanence

I recently purchased a 97 F150 4X4 and really love it!

I've got a question about what to clean the stock aluminum wheels on the
truck.
Are they a "coated" wheel (therefore just cleaned with an all purpose
type cleaner) or are they polished aluminum (thus I can use an aluminum
polish such Mother's etc.)? I don't want to use the aluminum polish
until I'm sure so I don't screw them up.


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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:52:14 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD compared to Cummins


>Power- This is the Power Strokes big advantage. On paper the Power Stroke
>has more torque (500 Vs 460 for 5 speed Dodge), but the thing that makes
the
>Power Stroke so impressive is the throttle response. The Cummins has a lot
>of lag time and drives like most diesels. The Power Stroke is more like
>driving a gas engine. When you hit the gas you go. The main reason for
>this is the injection system. Cummins still uses a pump where the Power


While I agree that an electronically controlled diesel fuel injection system
will produce quicker response than a typical injection pump, couldn't the
SD's throttle response be at least somewhat related to the fact that it is a
"fly by wire" system, where there is actually not a mechanical linkage to
the pedal, but an electronic one?

- - Bud


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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:59:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Neal Moon
Subject: FTE 97up - chip for psd

has anybody on the list tried a chip for the psd. in petersons 4
wheel drive magazine they tried a chip from u.s. gear that produced
phenominal results a peak gain of 80 hp and 200 ft/lbs. i have looked
at hypermax chips and exhaust. i was just wondering if anybody has
had any experience and if the claims are true. i also saw in another
mag. they installed the banks power pack with some excellent results.
i really enjoy my psd but more power would not hurt.


- -Neal '99 f-250 white c.c. psd 4x4





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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:35:46 EST
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wheel Maintanence


truck.
Are they a "coated" wheel (therefore just cleaned with an all purpose
type cleaner) or are they polished aluminum (thus I can use an aluminum
polish such Mother's etc.)? I don't want to use the aluminum polish
until I'm sure so I don't screw them up. >>

The stock wheels are clear coated. Dont use anything harsh to clean them.

Harry
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:59:46 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: FTE 97up - Accessories/Power Location

Hi all,

I have a new Super Duty and want to install some aftermarket fog lights and
also a CB radio. Could someone please tell me where I am supposed to get 12v
power from? I found the pass through wire loom but am mot sure where I
should get power for these type of accessories.

Thanks in advance
Mattb 99 SD SC LB V-10

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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:57:44 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Chips for PSD

Yes, I have installed the Hypermax Chip (Superchip). I have not tested the
power with any instrument, just with the seat of my pants. There is a big
difference in acceleration and shifting of the transmission. I brought mine
from Mike Troyer
(1-540-862-9515), call him for all of your questions. The chips are not
cheap, Mike sells them for $395 bucks, if anybody finds a better deal, please
let the Up-List know. Nathan Bernard, can you let us know if chips voids the
warrantee.

Thank You

John Patterson
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:20:26 -0800
From: "mlester"
Subject: FTE 97up - progress report

Hi all

I have had my F250 SD PSD super cab 4 x 2 long bed with 3.73 rear for just
over a week now.

I found the block heater extension all bundled up by the driver side tow
hook.

So far I have filled up twice and got 17mpg and 18 mpg. I am pleased with
that.

Previously I had a Chevy 3/4 ton gas extended cab with a 410 rear end and
got 12 miles to a gal, also the turning radius was much larger than this
Ford. I like that.

I was going to pass another vehicle on a two lane road and was expecting a
sluggish acceleration. Man, I hit the gas pedal and almost crawled up the
back of the car I was trying to pass.

I couldn't believe the acceleration. Another pleasant surprise.

All in all pleased so far.

Best wishes to everyone

Martial



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:08:03 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty foglights

Hey all!
I have a 1999 F-350 Superduty with the factory foglights. I would like
to have them come on when I turn my parking lights also. Awhile back I
read a message that explained how to jump the wire to have this happen.
The headlight switch operates the foglights when you pull it out. There
are several wires back there. Can anyone help or suggest an alteration?
Thanks!
Mike
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99 F-350 SD PS LAriat 4X4
94 E.B. Explorer 4X4
89 Bronco II XLT 4X4
89 Merkur Scorpio
88 Merkur XR4Ti
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:55:43 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty foglights

Could your please list the option number that contains these fog-lights on....

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