97up-list-digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 035



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FTE 97up - Re: Fifth Wheel Install
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Fifth Wheel Install
Re: FTE 97up - PSD compared to Cummings
FTE 97up - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:29:33 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Fifth Wheel Install

Apparently only the 99 Superdutys have the need for lowering the
rear with some 5W trailers. Since Ford has approved the change,
I certainly wouldn't be afraid to go with that solution IF it
were really needed. There are, of course, some minor drawbacks in
lowering any suspension, so you gotta figure the tradeoffs for
your own, unique situation. "Flipping" the trailer axles also has
a drawback - the center of gravity of the trailer is raised 4-6
inches (increases sway) and the height of the entry step
increases by the same amount. The latter is a serious problem if
your wife is as short as mine is! I can live with some added
sway, but having my wife grumbling about the &%$ high step is
more than I can bear!

Gary


> Under no circumstances would I remove the suspension blocks from the rear
> suspension. If you really need too change anything to tow level, then I
> would strongly recommend doing a spring-over-axle on the trailer to get the
> needed height. Of course that assumes that your trailer has leaf springs.
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:43:56 -0700
From: Dale Ellis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Fifth Wheel Install

Gary, you are right about that. When I sent my reply, I had not read the
prior responses and was not aware that Ford approved the rear lowering. I
had learned from the RV Talk list that most had solved similar match-up
problems by raising their trailer. My wife is also "height challenged"
(politically correct?), so raising our trailer would not be a good
solutions either. 8-)

Dale

At 2/8/99 06:29 AM, you wrote:
>Apparently only the 99 Superdutys have the need for lowering the
>rear with some 5W trailers. Since Ford has approved the change,
>I certainly wouldn't be afraid to go with that solution IF it
>were really needed. There are, of course, some minor drawbacks in
>snip

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:53:52 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD compared to Cummings

Heres how I'd compare the Cummins to the Power Stroke:

Mileage- The old Cummins (12 valve) used to do 1-2MPG better than the old
Power Stroke (pre 1999). The new Power Strokes seem to get 0-1 MPG better
than the older trucks, and I've had several people tell me that the 24 Valve
Cummins isn't getting the mileage that their previous 12 Valves had. Don't
compare either unless they have more than 10,000 miles as both engines take
a while to break in. I'd also recommend the 3.73 axle as the power bad and
gearing seems to really work well together.

Power- This is the Power Strokes big advantage. On paper the Power Stroke
has more torque (500 Vs 460 for 5 speed Dodge), but the thing that makes the
Power Stroke so impressive is the throttle response. The Cummins has a lot
of lag time and drives like most diesels. The Power Stroke is more like
driving a gas engine. When you hit the gas you go. The main reason for
this is the injection system. Cummins still uses a pump where the Power
Stroke uses electronic fuel injection that makes the response so much better
(Ford had a Turbo available in 93 that didn't have this injection and it
drove about like a Cummins). Also on a Power Stroke they run about 16lbs of
turbo boost empty, but with a trailer attached you get 20lbs. I'd recommend
driving both because both sides say theirs is better, but I think a test
drive will prove the Power Stroke to be better.

Reliability- I wouldn't look for a lot of problems with either, if I had to
pick a winner I'd say the 12V Cummins might have been slightly better than
the Power Stroke, but this 24 Valve engine seems to have a lot of problems
so I think Navistar has the edge right now.

Truck- Heres the big advantage, the Power Stroke comes wrapped in a new
Super Duty F-Series that puts Dodge to shame.
Transmission- Ford has a 6 Speed with a actual internal pump (as opposed
to a splasher), and external (grille cooling). Dodge still uses the 5
speed. Ford has an even bigger advantage in the auto market.
Brakes- Dodge weak link I've had a lot of people trade due to the short
life and high expense of Dodge's front brakes. Ford also uses 4 wheel disc
brakes which Dodge doesn't.
Cab- Ford has a better dash layout, Dodge has better storage bins behind
the seats, the Ford has a slightly larger cab, I'd call this a toss-up.
Axles- If your talking 4x4 look under a Dodge to see how many parts
their are than could where out compared to the simple leaf springs of the
Super Duty, and the Ford still rides better.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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From: Alevinson aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 12:19 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD compared to Cummings


>I'm going to say a bad word.......CUMMINGS....alright, now that we have
that
>in the open.
>
>I'm looking at buying a diesel pickup in the next year. Has anyone out
there
>owned/drove both a PSD and a Cummings that can compare then on realibility,
>towing power & fuel mileage?
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>Any comments would be appreciated.
>
>I am also curious what rear end seems to work best with a 6-Speed PSD.
3.73
>seems like it would be the best, I would be pulling various loads but also
>doing lots of unloaded highway driving. 4.10 seems like overkill, yet
>anything higher than 3.73 might not be enough??
>
>Thanks,
>Alex Levinson
>Linn, Missouri


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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:11:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps

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