97up-list-digest Saturday, February 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 032



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re: Advice on tow vehicle
FTE 97up - Re: 5W Hitch
FTE 97up - Re: Initial Impressions
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 5W Hitch
FTE 97up - temp inside/outside
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Advice on tow vehicle
FTE 97up - 97' F250 w/Power Stroke Diesel
FTE 97up - New T Shirts
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Spring nominations
Re: FTE 97up - New T Shirts
FTE 97up - RE: Re: Advice on tow vehicle
FTE 97up - 92 Ford F350
Re: FTE 97up - New T Shirts

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:38:49 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Advice on tow vehicle

In a message dated 99-02-05 02:00:04 EST, you write:


tractor is legal i used to use one to pull my 18ft boat around on the road,
just make sure you have the proper triangle on the back and flashers on the
tractor for slow moveing vehicle.

RSR Inc.

Thanks everyone for your advice on my trailering problem. From your
responses, I surmise that using the Explorer to tow this weight, even for
short distances would be risky at best. It was interesting that no one out
there thought there was much to advise modifications like heavier springs
and shocks, additional cooling, super-charging, etc... an obvious
difference between your "real world" answers and what the typical magazine
would probably say. I could balance for a low tongue weight, but could have
traction problems on the steep and slick saltwater ramps. Some of you
suggested I keep the boat in/over the water and that's what I'm doing right
now. I have become disenchanted with the idea of a sling since the cables
on mine snapped, dropped my boat, and when the parted end of the cable came
about a hair from taking the side of my face off. The guy who repaired it
for the marina advised me that mine was one of the safer ones in the area...
. If I kept the boat in the water, I would need to deal with bottom paint,
corrosion and over $200/month in slip fees, not to mention how bottom
painting can devalue an expensive boat (this is why most folks with
outboards choose a sling down here).

By the way, the prize for most innovative response so far goes to Peter
Watzek, who suggested a small tractor. This would work and I've seen it
done. Not sure if it's street legal, but its a tempting thought for such a
short haul.

Based on my own thoughts and your advice, I've concluded that the decision
boils down to either a beater and keep the expy if I really will be
restricting myself to back and forth from the ramp and nothing more or trade
in for a used F-350 if I want a full size truck for any other reason, such
as longer trailering trips.

Thanks again for your advice!

Regards, Bud

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:53:50 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 5W Hitch

> Now I've got to figure out what fifth whell hitch to go with. Any opinions
> between the Reese 15K and the RBW 'lil Rocker?

Bill,
I have the RBW 'Lil Rocker and am quite happy with it. Have no
experience with the Reese to say whether it is better or worse,
but Reese builds pretty could stuff. I assume you are talking
about the "rocking" version of the Reese as well, to be
comparable to the RBW.

Reese also has a version with a "slide", which may be helpful if
you have a shortbed truck and your new 5W also has a short
kingpin assembly. The slide enables you to extend the hitch
backward several inches to give more clearance when backing at a
sharp angle.
- --
Gary Brinck
in Florida's Ocala National Forest
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:43:30 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Initial Impressions

Bill,

I believe you said your new SD is a short bed tow vehicle. I then believe I
saw a reference to fifth wheel hitches.

Generally, fifth wheel towing with a short bed truck is a bad idea. Or, was a
bad idea.

Fortunately, there are now a couple of hitches which compensate for the
disadvantages of towing a fiver with a short bed truck. I don't remember who
makes the hitches, but they are designed to tow in a forward position so the
weight will be over the rear axle; then be shifted to the rear position for
backing and or maneuvering in tight spots so as to avoid a collision between
the front of the fiver and the rear of the cab of the truck. One of the
hitches is manually operated and requires you to stop, get out, adjust the
hitch, and proceed. The other is automatic. Both are expensive, the
automatic more so, but are good value for safety and towing performance.

If you log onto alt.rv or rec.outdoors.rv.travel and ask for the make and
models of these hitches you will get good responses. Or, you could do a deja
news search for quicker results.

Good luck with that new tow vehicle and enjoy towing your fiver.

Thanks,
Butch Davis-
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:23:51 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 5W Hitch

Gary & Nancy Brinck wrote:
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> > Now I've got to figure out what fifth whell hitch to go with. Any opinions
> > between the Reese 15K and the RBW 'lil Rocker?
>
We've pulled a 5th wheel trailer for many yeas with a fixed
Reese hitch (forward, rear movement only). I also looked at
the rocking type hitch when we purchased the last new
pickup. After talking to the drivers that haul trailers
from the manufacture to the dealer and hearing the problems
with trailers hitting the side rails on the pickup using the
rocker type, we went with the fixed. If your in the Indiana
area where most of the manufactures are, stop buy any of
them and talk to the drivers. At one time many switched to
the rocker type, but have now gone back to the regular fixed
hitch. Just my 2 cents worth. Bill
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:19:27 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - temp inside/outside

Could you tell me why some 99 have the temp package and some just have the mpg
&compass thanks the judge
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:52:14 EST
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Advice on tow vehicle

I guess when I suggested mooring the boat I was thinking you were on fresh
water. The levee statement threw me off, I wasn't thinking salt water. That
does throw a different curve on it. mooring on salt water is simply pouring
money into the ocean to placate the corrosion gods.

The tractor idea isn't a bad one although my experience is that small tractors
(25 hp range) that are half reliable don't come cheap. That goes for even the
gray market off brand Japanese imports. They are tough though but with that
sort of load you my have to weight the front end pulling it up the slope.
Remember they only weigh about 2000 lb. themselves.

I think the reason no one suggested modification to the Explorer was the high
mileage. Sure, if you want to go with a new/rebuilt engine (say a 302 drop in)
and a rebuilt Transmission that's a route. Problem is you suddenly are talking
about $4000 to $5000 in service work and your suspension and brakes aren't
there yet. Remember also that a pickup even a beater is a good second
vehicle. Suddenly you have a hauler for all of the stuff that gets to be a
pain to put in the Explorer. Plywood, lumber, cans of gas, dead fish.

Good luck with your problem.

Gus
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:34:56 EST
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 97' F250 w/Power Stroke Diesel

I have a friend who has a 97' F250 Cab/long box that warps rotors every 3K
miles!. Yes, I've been in it with him, he is not unduly hard on the brakes,
nor does he "ride" them, nor does he trailer.

Rotors were actually CRACKED last time!.
Pads replaced w/cracked rotors
One caliper rebuilt (leaking)

Randy
cookies aol.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:16:19 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - New T Shirts

I received my T shirt on Wednesday. I like the design. The sizes are right
on - Large is Large and X-Large is X-Large. Sometimes I have problems with
sizing a shirt without trying it on first.

I encourage everyone that uses the NG to purchase two shirts like I did
(don't forget your wife). I'm sure if you think about the value of the
information that you receive from this NG, it's worth the $12.00 per shirt.
Remember you use this service for free.

Scott Matus
99 F350 CC 4x4
98 F150 SC 4x4
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:59:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Spring nominations

Fellow FTEs:

Once again, Car Lounge is taking nominations for their
top ten automotive sites awards. FTE has, thanks to
its members, consistantly won a top 10 award.

Last quarter something shameful happened: FTE won second
place... Chevy's corporate site won first place.

If you like FTE's site and services, please take a
couple of moments to nominate us.

The nomination form can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/nominate.htm

Thanks,
Ken Payne
FTE Admin


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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:05:58 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New T Shirts

In a message dated 99-02-05 16:25:41 EST, you write:


hey where do i get one! (in XL)

RSR Inc.
99 F250 PSD/SC/4x4

I received my T shirt on Wednesday. I like the design. The sizes are right
on - Large is Large and X-Large is X-Large. Sometimes I have problems with
sizing a shirt without trying it on first.

I encourage everyone that uses the NG to purchase two shirts like I did
(don't forget your wife). I'm sure if you think about the value of the
information that you receive from this NG, it's worth the $12.00 per shirt.
Remember you use this service for free.

Scott Matus >>
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:43:41 -0500
From: davesomers
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Re: Advice on tow vehicle

Actually, I think you have another option, the one that my neighbors are using...
Find a friend with a big truck and offer incentive plans for moving the boat.
(It helps when the truck owner loves boats and just doesn't currently have one of his own)

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:34:01 +1000
From: Eddie & Clare Cruz
Subject: FTE 97up - 92 Ford F350

I am working on a heavy duty Ford pickup F350 crew cab that I put deuce
and a half axles and transfer case to make the ultimate F350 dually
pickup. I am looking for options to what I can find for wheels and
tires. I am also looking for somewhere or someone who can sell me dually
rear fenders for this truck. So far, the project is coming along great
and is very streetable with no bad manners except for height which makes
it a necessity for nerf bars.

Eddie Cruz

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 20:41:22 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New T Shirts

At 02:16 PM 2/5/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I received my T shirt on Wednesday. I like the design. The sizes are right
>on - Large is Large and X-Large is X-Large. Sometimes I have problems with
>sizing a shirt without trying it on first.....


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