97up-list-digest Friday, February 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 031



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Beware the Service WorkShop Manuals!
FTE 97up - Initial Impressions
Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info
Re: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions
Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info
Re: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions
Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info
FTE 97up - Re: PSD Fuel Fileter Drain
RE: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions
FTE 97up - Apologies........
Re: FTE 97up - Ranger question
FTE 97up - I got my 99 SD F250 PS Diesel
FTE 97up - Re: Advice on tow vehicle
Re: FTE 97up - I got my 99 SD F250 PS Diesel

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:29:23 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Beware the Service WorkShop Manuals!

This is typical of the manuals from Heim, but they are the only
official Ford shop manuals.

I bought the set (for my Ranger) and quickly figured out two
things:

1. They are infuriating because most of the instructions are
step-by-steps about how to remove/replace a given assembly.
2. There are not any discussions of how a given component or
system is designed, what it's particular features are, and why.

I think Ford's approach is that they can make the work doable by
dummies, however, I don't think dummies would read this and
follow the directions, anyway. . . .

All in all, though, I've read through them enough to have picked
up some information about the vehicle and its systems, and I
wouldn't be without them, even at that price!

Later,
Alan


On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:32:26 -0500, you wrote:

:I have the '99 SuperDuty WorkShop Manual by Heim (covers F-250 / F-350 /
:F-450 / F550 SuperDuties). You are correct, the prices are outrageous. =
In
:fact, when I ordered my '99 F-350, I told my salesguy that I wanted the
:Service manuals and when he found out what they cost he called me to ask=
me
:if I was sure I wanted them! Then he said that they only have Volume-1 =
in
:stock, so he ordered it for me ($125 or so, I forget exact amount). The
:worst thing is that the manuals are very cryptic, do not have good
:illustrations, are very poorly written, are horribly indexed, and are
:overall just not worth the price. I have only really been able to use =
the
:manual when I needed to check on the torque for an oil-line flange bolt =
I
:was tightening, but that is about it. Even the VIN # "Code Breaker" =
section
:in the beginning of Volume-1 had errors, did not include a VIN-letter
:designation and was not up-to-date.
:
:Typical example of language is found on Page 412-01-4, discussing =
removal of
:the radio, so you can get to the center (and left-hand air registers)
:
:1. "Disconnect Battery Ground Cable".
:
:2. "Use radio removing tool to remove radio chassis."
:
:That's it!!! The illustration only shows a picture of a radio with an =
arrow
:pointing to it and the radio removing tool looks like two "U" bolts.
:
:In addition to the sparse instructions, the manual is absolutely =
littered on
:almost every other page with the same warnings in super bold type, for
:example (page 100-02-2):
:
:"WARNING: DO NOT RUN ENGINE WHEN JACKING THE VEHICLE. THE WHEELS
:CONTACTING THE GROUND COULD CAUSE THE VEHICLE TO MOVE."
:
:...duh...
:
:That would be OK if it was listed in a safety section, but instead it is
:listed countless times (along with many other inane warnings) throughout=
the
:manual!!
:
:Anyway, I always have purchased the WorkShop Manuals for my vehicles =
('98
:Expy, '98 Explorer, and earlier vehicles) and the quality seem to keep =
going
:down while the prices keep going up.
:
:
:Keith
:
:
:PS. Yes, some parts of the workshop Manual do seem adequate; but then
:again, isn't that expected when you are paying $125 from a sole-source
:provider commissioned by the manufacturer??
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:-----Original Message-----
:From: William Rau
:To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
:Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:21 PM
:Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SuperDuty SERVICE MANUALS
:
:
:>Can anyone enlighten me about the price and availability for Service
:>Manual(s) for 1999 Ford SuperDuty Trucks?
:>
:>The Ford dealer (in Oklahoma) where I'll be picking up my truck in a
:>couple of weeks provided me with the following
:>ph# (800)782-4356 for Heim Corporation. When I called them they told
:>me $200+ ... and as I inquired further I
:>learned that they were for the F150 not the F350 (SD). Then they told
:>me that the manuals for the SD's wouldn't be
:>available for a month or two and couldn't even give me a price?? But,
:>they said they had the CD for $170 (that's nice,
:>but what if I'm on the road... I don't have a laptop computer)!
:>The real kicker is the outrageously high price: I have bought service
:>manuals for all five new vehicles I've purchased
:>since 1982, and I've never paid over $45 for any of them!!!
:>When I searched on the Web... Heim appears to be the ONLY source for
:>these manuals.
:>
:>Does anyone know anything about the price and availability of these
:>service manuals?? Is Heim the only
:>source??
:>
:>I love them thar SourPokes,
:>Bill
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:58:35 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions

OK, so this is more gloating than anything else.

Well I've had my new F250SD SB PSD SC 4x4 Lariat since last Saturday and if
I had to describe the experience in a single word, I would simply say:
"Wow".

I upgraded from a '97 F150 SB SC 4.6L 4x4 Lariat to gain towing capability
as I have a new fifth wheel coming in April with a wet weight of around 10K.
Loved my '97, couldn't have been happier with it but it just wouldn't pull
the new rig.

Considering that the 250SD has only a 3 inch longer wheelbase, the amount of
extra room in the cab is significant. I realize that some of the room comes
from the SD being wider as well but leg room is length, not width. Driving
is a dream, I'm amazed at how well it handles and rides. I'm starting to
call it my new "tow vehicle" as "truck" just doesn't seem to do it justice
somehow.

Living up here in the NorthEast I was a little hesitant about the PSD but
between folks on the list and some personal references I've had I felt
reassured. Went out Sunday morning, turned on the key and the overhead
console said 8 degrees. Waited about 15 seconds for the "Wait to start"
light to go out and it cranked over in about 2 seconds (literally, 2
seconds). Certainly not the diesels I remember from 10 or 20 years ago.

My hat's off to Ford, this is one helluva truck......err......tow
vehicle.......or what ever else y'all wanna call it.

Now I've got to figure out what fifth whell hitch to go with. Any opinions
between the Reese 15K and the RBW 'lil Rocker?

Thanks,

Bill Suarez

_____________________________________________________________
William J. Suarez
mailto:wsuarez netsilicon.com
NETsilicon Inc. - Director of Technical Services
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.netsilicon.com/


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:13:45 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info

Thank you Jack!

That's great news. Chicago is a little more than one hour's drive
West to the dealership I bought my truck from in Sycamore, IL.

Man am I excited!

Charles.



Jack wrote:

> I took the liberty of tracking this on netRedi for you. This is what I
> found:
>
> "TTGX 993337 CHICAGO IL 02 03 0028 L Placed Actual
> CHICAGO MIX CT IL NS"
>
> Which means on 2/3/98 at 12:28am it was loaded and in Chicago, IL. It is
> being pulled by Illonois Central Railroad
>



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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:22:14 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions

In a message dated 2/4/99 9:05:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
WSuarez netsilicon.com writes:

>
i have the same truck but mine does not have the temp just the compass does
anyone know about this
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:32:10 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info

The Chicago mixing center is still backed up, but is getting better finally.
The snowstorm a few weeks ago has every thing running a week or two late.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jack
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info


>I took the liberty of tracking this on netRedi for you. This is what I
>found:
>
>"TTGX 993337 CHICAGO IL 02 03 0028 L Placed Actual
>CHICAGO MIX CT IL NS"
>
>Which means on 2/3/98 at 12:28am it was loaded and in Chicago, IL. It is
>being pulled by Illonois Central Railroad
>
>Good Luck
>
>Jack
>


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:55:22 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions

Congratulations. If your new to diesels, you owe yourself a look here.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

Between the ride and the engine, I'd say "wow" is fairly accurate.
F350 4x4 PSD SB SC XLT soon to be dropping a Lance 820 on it.

Suarez, William wrote:

> OK, so this is more gloating than anything else.
>
> Well I've had my new F250SD SB PSD SC 4x4 Lariat since last Saturday and if
> I had to describe the experience in a single word, I would simply say:
> "Wow".



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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:14:56 -0600
From: "Jack"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info

Yeh, my mixing center is about 45 miles away too! My truck sat there for
about 10 days. I ended up driving over to pick it up my self (of course my
dealer gave me permission).

Jack

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 08:19
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - VIN Mystery Code w/ tracking info


>Thank you Jack!
>
>That's great news. Chicago is a little more than one hour's drive
>West to the dealership I bought my truck from in Sycamore, IL.
>
>Man am I excited!
>
>Charles.
>
>
>
>Jack wrote:
>
>> I took the liberty of tracking this on netRedi for you. This is what I
>> found:
>>
>> "TTGX 993337 CHICAGO IL 02 03 0028 L Placed Actual
>> CHICAGO MIX CT IL NS"
>>
>> Which means on 2/3/98 at 12:28am it was loaded and in Chicago, IL. It is
>> being pulled by Illonois Central Railroad
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:36:04 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: PSD Fuel Fileter Drain

Thanks to Dale & Johny, I located the drain tube, such as it is.
Not only is it too short, but Ford has cleverly angled the last 3
inches so that the fuel squirts onto a frame member instead of
dropping straight down to the ground. Looks like straight down
was the original plan, but a couple electrical cables got routed
through the gap and they diverted the fuel tube so it wouldn't
drip onto the wires.

I'm off to the auto parts store for a couple feet of 5/16 I.D.
fuel line hose - should slip right on and carry the fuel around
all the obstructions so I can get a pan under it.
- --
Gary & Nancy Brinck
in Florida's Ocala National Forest
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:33:33 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions

I've been by the sight already. Lot's of great information and a wonderful
pictorial section. In fact I'm gonna send some shots of mine in when I can!

Bill
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From: johny [mailto:johny netapp.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:55 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Initial Impressions


Congratulations. If your new to diesels, you owe yourself a look here.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

Between the ride and the engine, I'd say "wow" is fairly accurate.
F350 4x4 PSD SB SC XLT soon to be dropping a Lance 820 on it.

Suarez, William wrote:

> OK, so this is more gloating than anything else.
>
> Well I've had my new F250SD SB PSD SC 4x4 Lariat since last Saturday and
if
> I had to describe the experience in a single word, I would simply say:
> "Wow".



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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:13:37 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: FTE 97up - Apologies........

..........for inadvertently sending that last post to the list and not the
sender.

Bill

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mailto:wsuarez netsilicon.com
NETsilicon Inc. - Director of Technical Services
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:33:07 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ranger question

This may not apply to your 1998 Ranger, but my 1996 does something similar.
When I put it into reverse when it is under a slight load, I get a "ping"
sound from the drive line when I first start to move. This TSB deals with
that little annoyance. When I get a chance to take it in, my understanding
is they retorque the yoke on the differential. I checked for a TSB for your
98, but didn't find anything.

Service Bulletin Number: 96-24-17
Bulletin Sequence Number: 63
Date of Bulletin: 9611
NHTSA Item Number: SB050915
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: RANGER
Year: 1996
Component: POWER TRAIN:DRIVELINE:TUBE:HOUSING:TORQUE DRIVE
Summary: NOISE - PINGING OR CREAKING FROM DRIVELINE WHEN VEHICLE IS PUT INTO
GEAR. *TW

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:58:24 -0800
From: "mlester"
Subject: FTE 97up - I got my 99 SD F250 PS Diesel

I got my truck on Monday and am sure pleased. It is the Super Duty Super
Cab F250 PS diesel with the long bed and 4 x 2 drive with 3.73 rear end.

I had not had any experience with the diesels previously so wasn't quite
sure what to expect.

I was warned of loud engine, rough ride, no power and all of the adverse
adjectives.

The engine is no where as loud as I expected, the ride is real smooth and
the acceleration although different than a gas engine picks up speed very
nicely. All of a sudden you look at the speedometer and you are at 75 or 80
miles an hour with no effort.

I don't know about mileage yet but previously I had an 89 Chev 3/4 ton 350
engine and in the miles I have put on this new truck, I would be refueling
the Chev by now.

I can't find the block heater connection and the fuel filter drain as yet.

According to the manual it is cold enough here that I should be plugging in,
but it has been starting fine in the morning.

I recommend one for everyone.

Martial

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:35:59 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Advice on tow vehicle

Thanks everyone for your advice on my trailering problem. From your
responses, I surmise that using the Explorer to tow this weight, even for
short distances would be risky at best. It was interesting that no one out
there thought there was much to advise modifications like heavier springs
and shocks, additional cooling, super-charging, etc... an obvious
difference between your "real world" answers and what the typical magazine
would probably say. I could balance for a low tongue weight, but could have
traction problems on the steep and slick saltwater ramps. Some of you
suggested I keep the boat in/over the water and that's what I'm doing right
now. I have become disenchanted with the idea of a sling since the cables
on mine snapped, dropped my boat, and when the parted end of the cable came
about a hair from taking the side of my face off. The guy who repaired it
for the marina advised me that mine was one of the safer ones in the area...
. If I kept the boat in the water, I would need to deal with bottom paint,
corrosion and over $200/month in slip fees, not to mention how bottom
painting can devalue an expensive boat (this is why most folks with
outboards choose a sling down here).

By the way, the prize for most innovative response so far goes to Peter
Watzek, who suggested a small tractor. This would work and I've seen it
done. Not sure if it's street legal, but its a tempting thought for such a
short haul.

Based on my own thoughts and your advice, I've concluded that the decision
boils down to either a beater and keep the expy if I really will be
restricting myself to back and forth from the ramp and nothing more or trade
in for a used F-350 if I want a full size truck for any other reason, such
as longer trailering trips.

Thanks again for your advice!

Regards, Bud


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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:55:21 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - I got my 99 SD F250 PS Diesel

In a message dated 99-02-05 00:22:09 EST, you write:


i had to fish my block heater thing out of the center bumper slot it was out
of the way and had a black cover on the plug, very hard to see the little
sucker.

RSR Inc.

I got my truck on Monday and am sure pleased. It is the Super Duty Super
Cab F250 PS diesel with the long bed and 4 x 2 drive with 3.73 rear end.

I had not had any experience with the diesels previously so wasn't quite
sure what to expect.

I was warned of loud engine, rough ride, no power and all of the adverse
adjectives.

The engine is no where as loud as I expected, the ride is real smooth and
the acceleration although different than a gas engine picks up speed very
nicely. All of a sudden you look at the speedometer and you are at 75 or 80....


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