97up-list-digest Friday, January 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 003



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Stinky HVAC, Diesel Site
FTE 97up - Strinky heater
Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater
FTE 97up - RE: 97up - SD, DRW brakes
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
FTE 97up - '00 Excursion!!
FTE 97up - Front Replacement Springs for F-350 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Front Replacement Springs for F-350 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
FTE 97up - .- toolbox
FTE 97up - Lowering SD 4X4
FTE 97up - DRL Issue Continued
Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater
Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:25:44 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Stinky HVAC, Diesel Site

I have a 99 Super Duty on order and am concerned about the number of =
people with bad smells coming from their HVAC systems. My truck is =
scheduled for March delivery. Is Ford correcting the situation with a =
design change to prevent the problem on vehicles being built currently? =
If not, is there a field fix that can be done to prevent the problem =
before it gets started? =09
What is the site for PSD information? I really appreciate this site, I =
look forward to reading it each morning before the hustle of the day =
starts.
Dan Brotzman
Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:37:30 -0500
From: "M. David B. Robinson, C.A."
Subject: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

To all who responded to my last post:

TSB 98-2-7 covers: 92-93 Festiva
92-94 Tempo/Topaz
92-97 Crown Vic, Escort, Mustang, Probe,
Taurus, T-Bird
94-96 Aspire
95-97 Contour/Mystique
92-97 Continental, Cougar, Grand Marquis,
Sable, Town Car, Tracer
93-97 Mark VIII
92-96 Bronco
92-97 Aerostar, Econoline, Explorer, F-SD,
F-150, F-250HD, F-250 LD, F-350,
Ranger
95-98 Windstar
97 Mountaineer
97-98 Expedition
98 Navigator
92-97 F&B Series Medium/Heavy Trucks

There has probably been an updated TSB issued to cover all 1998 models not
icluded above.

Ford has given me no assurances that the problem with the HVAC has been
fixed, but at least I now know how to get them to come to the table!

Again, be persistent with your dealer. Don't settle for the "We've done all
we can" line from the service department. Go to the dealer principal and
raise hell! Go "POSTAL" in his office if you have to! This mildew problem
is a definite HEALTH HAZARD!



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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:20:29 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

Does this affect all 1998 F150's, as I have not noticed a smell from
mine yet, however I keep my A/C on MAX all the time due to the smelly
exhaust from other cars on the road.
- --
Douglas R. Floyd
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:55:10 -0800
From: "Sam Moore"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: 97up - SD, DRW brakes

I noticed the same thing with my F350 SD DRW 4X4 that was empty while in
snow . The front brakes locked first, took me by surprise also. My old 91
with rear anti-lock never locked the front wheels.
Sam Moore

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:36:35 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

The lowering TSB is covered by the warranty and is no charge to the
customer. It is applicable to any 4x4
Super Duty SRW or DRW.

Nathan Bernard

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From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4


>In a message dated 99-01-06 21:22:44 EST, you write:
>
>always nice to have somebody in Ocala natioanl forest, i have camped many
>times around there.
>
>RS
>99 F 250 PSD/SC/4x4
>
> The article I read about this procedure (Trailer Life magazine) said it
was a
> customer expense item even though Ford had issued a TSB defining the
factory-
>approved
> method for lowering. It substitutes the 4X2 blocks for the 4X4 and lowers
the
>rear
> 4-5 inches. IMHO, following the Ford approved procedure is a must in case
>there is
> any unexpected problem (such as drive train alignment) resulting from it.
> --
> Gary Brinck
> in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest


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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:36:54 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - '00 Excursion!!

See the latest issue of Popular Mechanics for a "showroom quality" picture
of the '00 Excursion. Looks nice! I will probably wait until '01 to
consider buying one. The mother of all SUVs!


Keith

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:41:37 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Front Replacement Springs for F-350 4X4

I currently have the F-350 SuperDuty, SRW SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / Tow /
Snowplow Package, etc. I saw a post about replacement front springs so the
front sits higher. I am going to raise the front 2 or 3 inches so it is
more even with the rear. I would rather do it the best way and new springs,
if they are strong enough, are better than blocks. The current springs that
come with the snowplow package are 5200##. Could the person originating or
someone that saved the message re-post the name of the company that is
making and selling replacement front springs for the '99 F-350 SuperDuties?
Thank you.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:45:20 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

Nathan, any factory word about raising the front other than adding the 3/8"
shims mentioned in the Workshop Manual Volume 1 on page 204-00-29?? Also,
in the Workshop Manual, they do not specify the maximum number of shims you
may add, any word from Ford?? Thanks.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4


>The lowering TSB is covered by the warranty and is no charge to the
>customer. It is applicable to any 4x4
>Super Duty SRW or DRW.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: RSnovi aol.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:16 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
>
>
>>In a message dated 99-01-06 21:22:44 EST, you write:
>>
>>always nice to have somebody in Ocala natioanl forest, i have camped many
>>times around there.
>>
>>RS
>>99 F 250 PSD/SC/4x4
>>
>> The article I read about this procedure (Trailer Life magazine) said it
>was a
>> customer expense item even though Ford had issued a TSB defining the
>factory-
>>approved
>> method for lowering. It substitutes the 4X2 blocks for the 4X4 and lowers
>the
>>rear
>> 4-5 inches. IMHO, following the Ford approved procedure is a must in
case
>>there is
>> any unexpected problem (such as drive train alignment) resulting from it.
>> --
>> Gary Brinck
>> in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:13:23 -0500
From: tsaint erols.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

Trailer Life was wrong. My dealer showed me the paperwork he received on
the lowering and it states that it will be done as a warranty item.

At 10:10 AM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> There is a service bulletin on lowering the rear end of the '99 SD's. It
>> involves replacing the spacers, u-bolts, brake lines and shocks. It is a
>> warranty item and will be done by the dealer at no cost to you. It lowers
>> the truck about 4 inches at the tailgate.
>
>The article I read about this procedure (Trailer Life magazine) said it was a
>customer expense item even though Ford had issued a TSB defining the
factory-approved
>method for lowering. It substitutes the 4X2 blocks for the 4X4 and lowers
the rear
>4-5 inches. IMHO, following the Ford approved procedure is a must in case
there is
>any unexpected problem (such as drive train alignment) resulting from it.
>--
> Gary Brinck
> in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
>
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:39:07 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

No. The only reason they're lowering the back is that some fifth wheel
trailers would not work at the height of a Super Duty.

Nathan

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From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4


>Nathan, any factory word about raising the front other than adding the 3/8"
>shims mentioned in the Workshop Manual Volume 1 on page 204-00-29?? Also,
>in the Workshop Manual, they do not specify the maximum number of shims you
>may add, any word from Ford?? Thanks.
>
>Keith
>


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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:10:59 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Front Replacement Springs for F-350 4X4

Hi,

The company is Tuff Country 1-800-288-2190
tech info is 1-801-280-2777
Its a 3" suspension lift they are asking $499.95
for the lift.

Hope that helps...

Vaughn
99 SD XLT SC 4X4 5.4





I currently have the F-350 SuperDuty, SRW SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10
/ Tow / Snowplow Package, etc. I saw a post about replacement
front springs so the front sits higher. I am going to raise the
front 2 or 3 inches so it is more even with the rear. I would
rather do it the best way and new springs, if they are strong
enough, are better than blocks. The current springs that come
with the snowplow package are 5200##. Could the person
originating or someone that saved the message re-post the name
of the company that is making and selling replacement front
springs for the '99 F-350 SuperDuties? Thank you.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:32:10 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

Neil Plocek wrote:
>
> I ran into the same problem with the wiring for DLR's on a 96 Ranger that I
> own. The colored wires indicated in the instructions could not be found in
> the wiring looms. It was ordered from Ford and is made for multiple Ford
> applications. I don't want DLR's enough to pay the installation costs. If
> anyone wants it let me know. Pay the freight and it is yours.
> ****************************************************************************
> ***
>
> I paid $54 for the DRL kit from ford and paid $163 to have them installed.
> Seemed high, but they claimed that the instructions were wrong and it took
> them a long time to find the correct wires to use because something was
> different (don't remember what). They actually seem rather easy to put in a
> couple of wares and fasten the controller somewhere. If anybody on the list
> has any interest I can try to find the wire color codes on my '99 F150. I
> just did not have the time or I would have attempted it myself.
>
> Larry
>
> "Jose Pomposo Jr." wrote:
>
> > Does anybody know what the dealer might charge for the DRL relay and how
> > much he might charge for the installation?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Hackler
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
> >
> > >New Jersey also require the headlights to be on when you are using your
> > >wipers.
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Jean Marc Chartier
> > >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > >Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 2:51 PM
> > >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
> > >>of headlights when you turn on the wipers.
>
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I would be interested in them... Let me know how much.
Mike
xplorit erols.com
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 04:21:20 -0600
From: "Brad McPeak"
Subject: FTE 97up - .- toolbox

Hello All,
Does anyone know if the 97 and up F-150's have the trouble with the bed
metal splitting on the outside when a cross bed tool box is used? I have a
99 short bed and would like to install a toolbox. But I know of many
F-150's 96 and back including heavy duty's that the bed has split from top
to bottom where the toolbox is mounted. Thanks.

Brad McPeak
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From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4


>In a message dated 99-01-06 21:22:44 EST, you write:
>
>always nice to have somebody in Ocala natioanl forest, i have camped many
>times around there.
>
>RS
>99 F 250 PSD/SC/4x4
>
> The article I read about this procedure (Trailer Life magazine) said it
was a
> customer expense item even though Ford had issued a TSB defining the
factory-
>approved
> method for lowering. It substitutes the 4X2 blocks for the 4X4 and
lowers the
>rear
> 4-5 inches. IMHO, following the Ford approved procedure is a must in
case
>there is
> any unexpected problem (such as drive train alignment) resulting from
it.
> --
> Gary Brinck
> in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
> >>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:00:38 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - Lowering SD 4X4

OK guys thanks for all the info about this ride height!
I had trouble with two dealers about getting the job done!
The reason I did not contact my original dealer is he is far away!
I looked along time for this truck, its hard to find!
I did not want to wait 4 months?
Anyway I work for Ford Mo. Co. at the Chicago Assembly plant.
We make the Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable.
So I was able to get information at work about this!
I got the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
I have the complete Article form Ford!!
4 pages to be exact!
I called the dealer and explained to them what was going on,
He took the Article# from me and my vin#
2 minutes later he told me he would order all the
parts required, and that they should be there in 1 week,
at no charge!
So if anyone has any trouble getting this done,
I will gladly scan all 4 pages to you!
They include Issue, Action,and Service Procedure,Part#s, Pictures,Oasis
codes,
and amount of time paid to service workers for the change!
Now my truck will sit level and fit in the garage!!!! at no charge!!!
Gene Ball


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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:19:25 -0500
From: "Ashok Ajmani"
Subject: FTE 97up - DRL Issue Continued

Team,
We have a '98 EB Expedition 4X4 and I installed the generic Ford DRL kit on
our EX at ~2500 miles (16K now). Part # is F6SZ13B218AA, listed at $45.05
and I got it at $30.17 + taxes, for a total of $32.28. Bought it on
1/26/98. Prices could have changed a tad since then. I can have detailed
instructions forwarded to members if interested. Takes a couple of hours or
so if you patiently install it and do a good job. It is absolutely correct
that one of the wire codes in the instructions is incorrect, but with a VOM
I was able to correct the problem. It did set me back with respect to the
total time taken. I have the details regarding this error in a post I
forwarded to several members on the expedition list. However, we are
extremely pleased with it. This system operates the low beams at 75% power
and comes on ~15 seconds after you start the vehicle and disengage the
parking brake. Enough said..........
Regards,
Ashok
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:04:02 -0500
From: Larry Hackler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
I paid $54 for the DRL kit from ford and paid $163 to have them installed.
Seemed high, but they claimed that the instructions were wrong and it took
them a long time to find the correct wires to use because something was
different (don't remember what). They actually seem rather easy to put in a
couple of wares and fasten the controller somewhere. If anybody on the list
has any interest I can try to find the wire color codes on my '99 F150. I
just did not have the time or I would have attempted it myself.
Larry


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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 03:15:33 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:20:29 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

:Does this affect all 1998 F150's, as I have not noticed a smell from
:mine yet, however I keep my A/C on MAX all the time due to the smelly
:exhaust from other cars on the road.

Is that the same "MAX" that shuts off the outside air?

Do you ever feel a little sleepy in there? That's the first
sign of oxygen starvation -- which is what happens when you
breathe up all the air in the cab! =20

I've had this happen to me, but managed to catch it and open a
window just before I would have driven off the road.

This is NOT a good idea -- leaving it in MAX for more than a few
minutes to make it cool down, initially!

later,
Alan
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:20:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Strinky heater

>
>Is that the same "MAX" that shuts off the outside air?
>
>Do you ever feel a little sleepy in there? That's the first
>sign of oxygen starvation -- which is what happens when you
>breathe up all the air in the cab!....


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