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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates
Re: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates
Re: FTE 97up - service today
FTE 97up - Re: interest rates and financing
Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing
Re: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates
FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?
FTE 97up - Re: Interest Rates and Financing
FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors
Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
Re: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?
Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
FTE 97up - Nathan Bernard
FTE 97up - cab steps
Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors
Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors
Re: FTE 97up - cab steps
Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing
Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?
Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors
RE: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 6.8
Re: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?
Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors
Re: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?
Re: FTE 97up - cab steps
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Bernard
FTE 97up - 1999 Sport Group
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 Sport Group

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:56:09 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates

At one time on this list I read where you can track the delivery of a =
vehicle after it has been assembled. My 99 SD was assembled Jan. 25, =
1999 and I have the Vin. #. How can I track where this truck is sitting =
in the distribution system?
Today a few members were asking about interest rates. My advice has =
always been to use the 100% down, no interest, no payment plan. Make =
payments to your savings account until you have enough to purchase the =
vehicle you want. What's the difference if you make a monthly payment to =
the bank or to your own savings? Either way you have a payment each =
month. Making a payment to your self will save you a lot of $$$ in =
interest and will lower your cost of ownership. I can hear the bankers =
whining already!

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:12:23 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates

At 08:56 1/28/99 , you wrote:
>At one time on this list I read where you can track the delivery of a
>vehicle after it has been assembled. My 99 SD was assembled Jan. 25, 1999
>and I have the Vin. #. How can I track where this truck is sitting in the
>distribution system?

Call Ford's customer care center 1-800-392-3673, tell them that you want to
know the status of your vehicle, and you have the VIN. If asked, tell them
that the dealer didn't have any information other than the VIN.

Good luck,
Ryan
Intranet Specialist
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Allen Systems Group
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:13:40 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - service today

In a message dated 1/27/99 11:53:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, ryana asg.com
writes:

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:16:08 -0500
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: interest rates and financing

I too advise calling credit unions. They are usually non or low profit
businesses. On my 99 F-250 SD SC PSD LWB Lariat I was able to get 6.99%
for 72 months.
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:31:24 -0600
From: Jeff Hagen
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing

I got 4.9% financing from Ford Credit. I could have had 1.9% for 36
months, I should have taken it. It was practically free money. These
rates were likely a model year end deal. I bought my '98 in September of
last year. Good luck.

- - Jeff


At 02:51 PM 1/27/99 -0600, you wrote:
>With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to start
>shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any recommendations?
>
>I've locked 8% at the dealership when I placed my order Sept. 30th, 1998.
>(I'm not held to it, just seemed the thing to do facing a possible five to
seven
>
>months wait.) What are all of you out there paying? I will be putting over
20%
>down payment.
>
>Thanks,
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:35:22 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates

Agreed. I pay cash for my vehicles, and sometimes the dealers get upset
because during negotiations, I tell then to show me all forms of financing
(just to see if they might offer me a 0% deal or some other "no-brainer" in
which case I would not pay cash). I think they think they are going to get
me in a lease (and they will get a nice profit from the leasing company),
then when I write the check they tell me I should not do that, that I really
should lease because "it's a better deal". I say "no thanks", pay for it,
and the truck is mine to modify or do with as I please. Then they grumble
and say "you really need the extended warranty", and, of course, I say "no
thanks" because I never purchase extended warranties (if there is a problem
with the truck, it will no doubt show itself during the 3-year 36,000 mile
bumper-to-bumper). Then they grumble some more. Then I tell them that I
plan to do all my service at the dealership (Acton ford) we shake hands and
they smile and we are done.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: DanBrotzman
To: '97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:58 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates


At one time on this list I read where you can track the delivery of a
vehicle after it has been assembled. My 99 SD was assembled Jan. 25, 1999
and I have the Vin. #. How can I track where this truck is sitting in the
distribution system?
Today a few members were asking about interest rates. My advice has always
been to use the 100% down, no interest, no payment plan. Make payments to
your savings account until you have enough to purchase the vehicle you want.
What's the difference if you make a monthly payment to the bank or to your
own savings? Either way you have a payment each month. Making a payment to
your self will save you a lot of $$$ in interest and will lower your cost of
ownership. I can hear the bankers whining already!

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:41:53 -0600
From: bhhorn
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?

I have just moved up to a new F-150 after years and years of driving a
little bitty import pick-up. I have the '99 F-150 Extended Cab, 4x4
with manual transmission. I've been driving manual trans vehicles since
at least '84 and I certainly don't consider myself any kind of clutch
poppin speedster. With that in mind, I've noticed since day one of the
F-150 that whenever I shift, I hear a noise coming from the tranny that
sounds like the dull *thunk* of metal engaging metal. I've also
noticed this while cruising along the interstate, if I take my foot off
the gas then put it on again. During city driving, if I release the
clutch -extremely- slowly, I don't notice the *thunk*. I haven't put
it into 4x4 mode except for about 10 minutes, and I don't recall if
that changed or eliminated the sound.

So, the question is: Is this anywhere near normal and to be expected
from an F-150 4x4 manual trans? Or should I hustle back to the dealer
and tell them to fix something?

P.S. I got the manual trans because:
1) I like the 'control' of being able to determine the gears and how
much power goes to the wheels.
2) It costs less and money is tight.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:13:39 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Interest Rates and Financing

Charles,

There are some interest rate finders on the web; just type in the
amount your financing, the term, and your location (zip probably), and
it'll return a list of the best interest rates available from area
institutions that participate. I can't find a URL for the site I used
though, but I think I got there from a link on one of the auto pricing
guides on line (edmunds, kbb, etc). Anyone else know of a URL for such
a guide? I'll keep an eye out and let you know if I find it.

Also, I think the interest on home equity loans is tax deductable, so it
makes those rates a bit more attractive than their actual rate. I think
the same site provided a home equity loan rate search as well.

Dick Dorff
99 F250 SD CC SB XLT Auto V10 3.73ls 4x4(manual)

> Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:51:48 -0600, "Charles Abraham"
>
> With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to
> start shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any
> recommendations?
(snip)
>
> Charles.
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:08:21 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio

Wouldn't different tire circumferences on a 3.55:1 set up effectively yield
different final drive ratios? A 235/70/16 tire measures out to 90.9in in
circumference. A 265/70/17 measures out to 99.24 in circumference. The axle
still ends up turning 3.55 times but..but..but....it's spreading out the
power produced across a greater area thereby effectively reducing the ratio?
I'm not sure how to interpret this or measure the effect. Like many I want
to go to a larger tire when these 245 Goodyears bite it but really don't
want to impact the towing ability. There was a post a while back that
someone calculated that a tire size increase reduced either a 3.73 or a 3.55
ratio down to around 3.30 but I can't find it in the posts I've saved. Does
anyone know how this works?

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:19:52 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors

I stopped at my dealership yesterday to pickup my VIN, and to also
get prices on the Super Duty mud flaps, bug shield and bed liner. On
the mud flaps, I showed the salesperson responsible for these kind of
things the $20 per pair price paid by a member on this list, and asked
if he could match it. I also asked for quotes on a Ford bed liner and
bug shield (both would have the Ford oval on them).

He matched the mud flaps price of $20 per pair, plus if I wanted them
to installed the flaps it would be $10 extra on the set ($50 total). I
agreed.

But here's the prices on the bed liner and bug shield, $230 and $80,
respectively. Again, both would be Ford products (made for Ford with
Ford's oval on them). What do you think?

Another question on the bed liner, are there opening in the liner for the
bed
tie-down loops?

Dick Dorff, I asked about the $20 rear floor mat price, it's per mat and
takes two mats to make-up the rear configuration. I passed.

Thanks,

Charles.



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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:23:29 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio

Try here,

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4lo.com/


Don Lewoniuk wrote:

> Wouldn't different tire circumferences on a 3.55:1 set up effectively yield
> different final drive ratios? A 235/70/16 tire measures out to 90.9in in
> circumference. A 265/70/17 measures out to 99.24 in circumference. The axle
> still ends up turning 3.55 times but..but..but....it's spreading out the
> power produced across a greater area thereby effectively reducing the ratio?
> I'm not sure how to interpret this or measure the effect. Like many I want
> to go to a larger tire when these 245 Goodyears bite it but really don't
> want to impact the towing ability. There was a post a while back that
> someone calculated that a tire size increase reduced either a 3.73 or a 3.55
> ratio down to around 3.30 but I can't find it in the posts I've saved. Does
> anyone know how this works?
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:25:25 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tracking delivery 99 SD / Interest rates

In a message dated 99-01-28 09:40:05 EST, you write:


i think we are on the same wave length, i got my F 250SD from a small dealer,
he kinda gave me this funny look when i finnally told him it would be a cash
deal, never reveal to them before you get the final price how you are going
topay, this always makes them mad. A another dealer (Leesburg,FL) where i
found a color i liked , they were a bunch of a-holes that thought i was
kidding when i said i will decide how i pay for it, when i get the right
price. I told them to let it sit on the lot and accrue interest, 35k is alot
to have sitting on the lot for a Ford dealer. Sorry had to tell that little
story

Ross Smith
RSR/Ross Smith Racing Inc.
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4


(just to see if they might offer me a 0% deal or some other "no-brainer" in
which case I would not pay cash). I think they think they are going to get
me in a lease (and they will get a nice profit from the leasing company),
then when I write the check they tell me I should not do that, that I really
should lease because "it's a better deal". I say "no thanks", pay for it,
and the truck is mine to modify or do with as I please. Then they grumble
and say "you really need the extended warranty", and, of course, I say "no
thanks" because I never purchase extended warranties (if there is a problem
with the truck, it will no doubt show itself during the 3-year 36,000 mile
bumper-to-bumper). Then they grumble some more. Then I tell them that I
plan to do all my service at the dealership (Acton ford) we shake hands and
they smile and we are done.

Keith >>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:29:06 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?

Sound like it could be many things, from too much backlash in the
differential (ring & pinion) or something as simple as a loose "U"-joint.
Take it in. There should be no "clunks" at anytime (except, perhaps, when
putting an automatic transmission from Drive into Reverse, at which time a
little "clunk" is normal and acceptable) but this does not apply to you with
your manual transmission. By the way, I also like driving with "both hands
and both feet" but I got the automatic for convenience in my F-350 SuperDuty
4X4 because I snowplow and it is much easier to control the plow when you
are not worrying about shifting constantly (which you end-up doing when
plowing with a standard trans).

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: bhhorn
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?


>
>I have just moved up to a new F-150 after years and years of driving a
>little bitty import pick-up. I have the '99 F-150 Extended Cab, 4x4
>with manual transmission. I've been driving manual trans vehicles since
>at least '84 and I certainly don't consider myself any kind of clutch
>poppin speedster. With that in mind, I've noticed since day one of the
>F-150 that whenever I shift, I hear a noise coming from the tranny that
>sounds like the dull *thunk* of metal engaging metal. I've also
>noticed this while cruising along the interstate, if I take my foot off
>the gas then put it on again. During city driving, if I release the
>clutch -extremely- slowly, I don't notice the *thunk*. I haven't put
>it into 4x4 mode except for about 10 minutes, and I don't recall if
>that changed or eliminated the sound.
>
>So, the question is: Is this anywhere near normal and to be expected
>from an F-150 4x4 manual trans? Or should I hustle back to the dealer
>and tell them to fix something?
>
>P.S. I got the manual trans because:
>1) I like the 'control' of being able to determine the gears and how
>much power goes to the wheels.
>2) It costs less and money is tight.
>
>Thanks for any input
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:28:59 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio

In a message dated 99-01-28 12:18:30 EST, you write:


Are you wanting percentage in change to gear ratio or tire change and ratio
change? I can find out on the Ratio change from my cheif mechanic.

Ross Smith
RSR/Ross Smith Racing Inc.
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Wouldn't different tire circumferences on a 3.55:1 set up effectively yield
different final drive ratios? A 235/70/16 tire measures out to 90.9in in
circumference. A 265/70/17 measures out to 99.24 in circumference. The axle
still ends up turning 3.55 times but..but..but....it's spreading out the
power produced across a greater area thereby effectively reducing the ratio?
I'm not sure how to interpret this or measure the effect. Like many I want
to go to a larger tire when these 245 Goodyears bite it but really don't
want to impact the towing ability. There was a post a while back that
someone calculated that a tire size increase reduced either a 3.73 or a 3.55
ratio down to around 3.30 but I can't find it in the posts I've saved. Does
anyone know how this works? >>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:05:55 -0000
From: "Neil Brownlee"
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan Bernard

Hi Nathan,

Could you help me with a problem I'm having here in the UK? I need either a
fax number or email address for customer complaints in the US, or even
higher up the ladder......I am getting a lot of BULLS*IT from my UK dealers
about my Explorer...they can't/won't fix/service it. It is just 1 year old
and now I want some blood........help!

Neil

1998 Explorer (European)
1978 SIII 109" Land Rover - THE OFFROAD BEAST!
1998 Tin Box (Daewoo Lanos - the wifes.....)





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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:14:59 -0600
From: George Rigney
Subject: FTE 97up - cab steps

Hello Everyone,

A brief introduction:
My wife and I ordered our first truck on 12/18. We wanted a
four-door truck for family trips, and a nice payload for hauling bricks,
lumber, sacks of cement, etc. to renovate our house. After test-driving
various 3/4 ton trucks, we were completely sold on the Ford Super Duty. We
chose the crew cab for the interior room, and the short bed for easier
handling. It's scheduled to be delivered 2/20.

My question:
We ordered the factory cab steps. Can someone describe what these
look like on the crew cab? My dealer couldn't show me a picture, and had
not sold any with the factory steps.

This is a terrific forum. My thanks to Ken for providing it, and to Nathan
and all the others who participate and share their experiences. Hopefully,
we'll have some to share also.

George & Raffy
'74 Gran Torino Elite, 351W
'84 Crown Victoria, 302
'99 F-250, SD, CC, V10, 2WD, Auto, Hunter Green
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:25:31 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio

You already did the math just try dividing 90.9 by 99.24, then multiply it
by 3.55 to see the new relative ratio.

Or if you're lazy, it ends up at 3.25:1 There goes your towing ability.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Lewoniuk
To: FTE97&up ; F-150 Mailing List

Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:14 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio


>Wouldn't different tire circumferences on a 3.55:1 set up effectively yield
>different final drive ratios? A 235/70/16 tire measures out to 90.9in in
>circumference. A 265/70/17 measures out to 99.24 in circumference. The axle
>still ends up turning 3.55 times but..but..but....it's spreading out the
>power produced across a greater area thereby effectively reducing the
ratio?
>I'm not sure how to interpret this or measure the effect. Like many I want
>to go to a larger tire when these 245 Goodyears bite it but really don't
>want to impact the towing ability. There was a post a while back that
>someone calculated that a tire size increase reduced either a 3.73 or a
3.55
>ratio down to around 3.30 but I can't find it in the posts I've saved.
Does
>anyone know how this works?
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:27:24 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors

In a message dated 99-01-28 12:30:44 EST, you write:

i paid something like 60 for bugsheild from FORD.

Ross Smith
RSR/Ross Smith Racing Inc.


I stopped at my dealership yesterday to pickup my VIN, and to also
get prices on the Super Duty mud flaps, bug shield and bed liner. On
the mud flaps, I showed the salesperson responsible for these kind of
things the $20 per pair price paid by a member on this list, and asked
if he could match it. I also asked for quotes on a Ford bed liner and
bug shield (both would have the Ford oval on them).

He matched the mud flaps price of $20 per pair, plus if I wanted them
to installed the flaps it would be $10 extra on the set ($50 total). I
agreed.

But here's the prices on the bed liner and bug shield, $230 and $80,
respectively. Again, both would be Ford products (made for Ford with
Ford's oval on them). What do you think?

Another question on the bed liner, are there opening in the liner for the
bed
tie-down loops?

Dick Dorff, I asked about the $20 rear floor mat price, it's per mat and
takes two mats to make-up the rear configuration. I passed.

Thanks,

Charles.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:06:33 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio

Don,
Like you said, by putting on a larger tire (larger circumference--larger
diameter), you will lower your axle ratio.
I have a F250 Superduty that came with 235/85/16inch rims and changed my
tire size to 255/85/16inch rims.....This reduced my ratio from 3.73 to 3.58.
I can tell a little difference at greater speeds, but at lower speeds...not
much diff. The bigger tires sure fill the wheel wells much better.
Here is how I figured it out:

Current tire diameter Current axle ratio
- ----------------------------- X ----------------------- == New axle ratio
New tire diameter 1

Substituting tire circumference for tire diam. should give the same results,
since dividing current tire diam. by new tire diam. is only a ratio......

- --Brandt



>Wouldn't different tire circumferences on a 3.55:1 set up effectively yield
>different final drive ratios? A 235/70/16 tire measures out to 90.9in in
>circumference. A 265/70/17 measures out to 99.24 in circumference. The axle
>still ends up turning 3.55 times but..but..but....it's spreading out the
>power produced across a greater area thereby effectively reducing the
ratio?
>I'm not sure how to interpret this or measure the effect. Like many I want
>to go to a larger tire when these 245 Goodyears bite it but really don't
>want to impact the towing ability. There was a post a while back that
>someone calculated that a tire size increase reduced either a 3.73 or a
3.55
>ratio down to around 3.30 but I can't find it in the posts I've saved.
Does
>anyone know how this works?
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:27:24 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors

In a message dated 99-01-28 12:30:44 EST, you write:

i paid something like 60 for bugsheild from FORD.

Ross Smith
RSR/Ross Smith Racing Inc.


I stopped at my dealership yesterday to pickup my VIN, and to also
get prices on the Super Duty mud flaps, bug shield and bed liner. On
the mud flaps, I showed the salesperson responsible for these kind of
things the $20 per pair price paid by a member on this list, and asked
if he could match it. I also asked for quotes on a Ford bed liner and
bug shield (both would have the Ford oval on them).

He matched the mud flaps price of $20 per pair, plus if I wanted them
to installed the flaps it would be $10 extra on the set ($50 total). I
agreed.

But here's the prices on the bed liner and bug shield, $230 and $80,
respectively. Again, both would be Ford products (made for Ford with
Ford's oval on them). What do you think?

Another question on the bed liner, are there opening in the liner for the
bed
tie-down loops?

Dick Dorff, I asked about the $20 rear floor mat price, it's per mat and
takes two mats to make-up the rear configuration. I passed.

Thanks,

Charles.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:24:44 -0500
From: tsaint erols.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - cab steps

For a nice picture of the one from the Ford towing guide go to:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/traileri.htm


At 01:14 PM 1/28/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>A brief introduction:
>My wife and I ordered our first truck on 12/18. We wanted a
>four-door truck for family trips, and a nice payload for hauling bricks,
>lumber, sacks of cement, etc. to renovate our house. After test-driving
>various 3/4 ton trucks, we were completely sold on the Ford Super Duty. We
>chose the crew cab for the interior room, and the short bed for easier
>handling. It's scheduled to be delivered 2/20.
>
>My question:
>We ordered the factory cab steps. Can someone describe what these
>look like on the crew cab? My dealer couldn't show me a picture, and had
>not sold any with the factory steps.
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:38:43 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing

I went with the 100% down option myself...

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 02:51:48PM -0600, Charles Abraham wrote:
> With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to start
> shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any recommendations?
>
> I've locked 8% at the dealership when I placed my order Sept. 30th, 1998.
> (I'm not held to it, just seemed the thing to do facing a possible five to seven
>
> months wait.) What are all of you out there paying? I will be putting over 20%
> down payment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles.
>
>
>
>
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:50:49 -0600
From: Jeff Hagen
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors

>But here's the prices on the bed liner and bug shield, $230 and $80,
>respectively. Again, both would be Ford products (made for Ford with
>Ford's oval on them). What do you think?
>

I paid $70 for the shield and $180 for the Ford bedliner (installed).

- - Jeff


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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:12:30 -0400
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F-150 4x4 tranny noisy?

>I've noticed since day one of the
>F-150 that whenever I shift, I hear a noise coming from the tranny that
>sounds like the dull *thunk* of metal engaging metal. I've also
>noticed this while cruising along the interstate, if I take my foot off
>the gas then put it on again. During city driving, if I release the
>clutch -extremely- slowly, I don't notice the *thunk*. I haven't put
>it into 4x4 mode except for about 10 minutes, and I don't recall if
>that changed or eliminated the sound.
>


Maybe its the universal joints in the driveshaft. There could be play in
them.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:43:08 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors

The dealer had Lund or BugGard for $69 to choose from.
But if he had to order the Ford bug shield, the one with Ford
blue oval embossed on it that was $10 more.

Charles.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-01-28 12:30:44 EST, you write:
>
> i paid something like 60 for bugsheild from FORD.



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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:08:54 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio

That may be the case, but.....
Is the 3.55 quoted with the 17 in tires or the stock 235 16's? If it's the
17's then going down to the 16's yields an effective ratio of 3.88. If it's
with the 235/70/16's then going up to the 17's brings the ratio down to 3.25
as you say. I'll try to get a precise reading on the tach at exactly 60 and
feed it into the calculation on the 4lo web page. One thing I noticed
though is that the towing capacity with the 17in. tires is 500lbs less than
the 16's everything else the same. Do the rims and tires weigh an extra
500lbs? If I put 265/75's on it drops to 3.42. 285/75's & its 3.29. Bottom
line is will damage be done to any part of the drive train? Who knows? Then
again I'm rarely in o/d when towing so the final ratio calculating with the
tranny ratio at 1.0 instead of .67 is 5.30 with my stock 245/75's. If it's
5.3:1 who cares, you could pull a house. I somehow don't think that we
understand all the intricacies of this equation. Apologies to anyone who
doesn't care about this topic but it's got me curious. Let me know if the
list wants us to go off on our own.

Cheers, Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Todd E.
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:26 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
>
>
> You already did the math just try dividing 90.9 by 99.24, then multiply it
> by 3.55 to see the new relative ratio.
>
> Or if you're lazy, it ends up at 3.25:1 There goes your towing ability.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Lewoniuk
> To: FTE97&up ; F-150 Mailing List
>
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:14 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Final Drive Ratio
>
>
> >Wouldn't different tire circumferences on a 3.55:1 set up
> effectively yield
> >different final drive ratios? A 235/70/16 tire measures out to 90.9in in
> >circumference. A 265/70/17 measures out to 99.24 in
> circumference. The axle
> >still ends up turning 3.55 times but..but..but....it's spreading out the
> >power produced across a greater area thereby effectively reducing the
> ratio?
> >I'm not sure how to interpret this or measure the effect. Like
> many I want
> >to go to a larger tire when these 245 Goodyears bite it but really don't
> >want to impact the towing ability. There was a post a while back that
> >someone calculated that a tire size increase reduced either a 3.73 or a
> 3.55
> >ratio down to around 3.30 but I can't find it in the posts I've saved.
> Does
> >anyone know how this works?
> >
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:50:15 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?

Can someone tell the cubic inches of the V10 6.8
Thanks Gene

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:03:52 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 6.8

The 6.8L is supposed to be designed as a 5.4L with two more cylinders, so
the mounting holes in the face of the block should be the same. I don't
have a V-10 on the lot right now to look at to compare, Though.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Perry Klein
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 3:13 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 6.8


>Can anyone tell me if the front of the blocks are similar if not the same.
>I'm interested in using brackets made specifically for a 5.4 on the 6.8.
>Anyone ever have a chance compare the two?
>
>thanks
>pk
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:06:07 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?

Its 415 Cubic Inches.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ball
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 7:04 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?


>Can someone tell the cubic inches of the V10 6.8
>Thanks Gene


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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:57:52 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bug, Mud and Bed Protectors

I got my Ford bed liner for 175.00 from my dealer. The one I have has
cutouts for the tie downs and fits perfectly. As for the bug deflector, I
bought one made by LUND. (I think it was called the Interceptor for about
70$) It does not touch the paint, or use those little rubber bumpers that
you stick to the hood to keep the deflector from touching the paint like
some brands do. There is plenty of clearance between the hood and deflector
to get in behind and clean.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:59:52 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?

Thank You
Gene

Union Auto wrote:

> Its 415 Cubic Inches.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Ball
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 7:04 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - V10 6.8 ?
>
> >Can someone tell the cubic inches of the V10 6.8
> >Thanks Gene
>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:06:14 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - cab steps

Congrtats on your order. The factory running boards on the CC look the same
as the ones on the SC. They are a dark gray color with ribs running the
length of the board. They are very sturdy and make ingress and egress much
easier. You will be very happy with them. You will probably want to order
some splash guards from your dealer to keep the dirt, rocks and mud from
accumulating on the boards. The Ford splash guards also look very nice.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:31:01 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Bernard

I don't have any numbers that I can give out, but I forwarded your message,
and hopefully someone will be emailing you in the near future.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Neil Brownlee
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:25 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan Bernard


>Hi Nathan,
>
>Could you help me with a problem I'm having here in the UK? I need either a
>fax number or email address for customer complaints in the US, or even
>higher up the ladder......I am getting a lot of BULLS*IT from my UK dealers
>about my Explorer...they can't/won't fix/service it. It is just 1 year old
>and now I want some blood........help!
>
>Neil
>
>1998 Explorer (European)
>1978 SIII 109" Land Rover - THE OFFROAD BEAST!
>1998 Tin Box (Daewoo Lanos - the wifes.....)
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:42:40 -0500
From: Rick Heis
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 Sport Group

Hello,

Has anyone seen the new 1999 sport group that was available in the fall of
1998 on F150 XLT trucks? I have been looking but after 30 plus dealers,
....


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