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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re:Re:FTE97up Oil Capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - service today
FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - service today
Re: FTE 97up - service today
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing
Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Problems Starting 98 V6!
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150 ESOFS
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS
Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:57:15 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Re:FTE97up Oil Capacity in 5.4 liter engine

This question has been asked time and time again on the expedition.net list.
The answer from the mechanics and Ford employees on the list (and the people
who talked to their dealer's mechanics) was to fill the engine up till it
showed in the acceptable band on the dipstick. The expedition owner's
manual is the first one I've read that states NOT to add oil if it was
within that crosshatched area on the dipstick. Others had always stated to
fill to the full mark.
IMHO, the capacities in the manuals get somewhat rounded off for the average
person. It's takes patience to keep adding a little oil at a time and
checking the dipstick. The 6 quarts should get you in the acceptable range.
I like to have as much oil as safe to increase engine cooling, myself. Just
make sure the quick lube places don't overfill. And if they charge you for 8
quarts they're pouring it in the wrong place!
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:46:16 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - service today

At 01:39 1/27/99 , you wrote:
>Well got my 2nd service Done on my F 250SD PSD/SC/4x4 XLT, at Tallahassee
>Ford, i was very pleased with the service, Got in and out within a hour or
>two w/o appt.

Ross,
Hey! That's where I bought my 96 Cobra!! Used to go to FSU. Small
world. Who'd you buy (if from Tally Ford) the truck from?

Cheers,
Ryan
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:54:45 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: FTE 97up - Wandering

I recently had the dealer raise the front of the truck via the torsion bars
to level it after the rear springs were replaced with ORP springs. It may
be coincidental but since then it seems that it wanders excessively to the
point that the steering wheel is never still. I went from our Prelude
yesterday to the truck today and wanted to pull off the highway to look for
tires equalizing. I remember the truck magazines criticizing the F150s
staying centered characteristics. Anyone else experience this after
adjusting the torsion bars or is it seriously time for another alignment?

Cheers,

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:40:49 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - service today

In a message dated 99-01-27 11:53:44 EST, you write:


no, i actually bought the truck about a hour west, bloutstown, fl, but i am
here in tally.

Ross Smith
RSR/Ross Smith Racing Inc.
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Ross,
Hey! That's where I bought my 96 Cobra!! Used to go to FSU. Small
world. Who'd you buy (if from Tally Ford) the truck from?

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:09:29 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - service today

At 13:40 1/27/99 , you wrote:
>no, i actually bought the truck about a hour west, bloutstown, fl, but i am
>here in tally.

Coolness. Well, the time I had my Cobra serviced there, I never had a
problem, and the dealership was very nice. Always fixed my problems, and
if there was a questionable fix, sometimes they did it for free. Nice
people. Good luck and congrats on your new truck.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:29:03 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

It should only take 6 quarts. If the oil level is anywhere above the add
mark it is OK. It does not need to be clear to the top of the operating
range, the very bottom is fine. It is worse to be a quart over than a quart
low. The oil can foam causing the foam to block the oil passages causing a
lack of oil pressure. Sometimes dipsticks can read wrong, but it should
only take 6 quarts to fill your truck.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: greg_lewis metro.nashville.org
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 9:29 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine


>I have a 99 E-350 XLT Super Duty Extended Wagon with the 5.4 liter engine.
>Recently I had the oil changed at a local Valvoline quickie place. On the
>way home I was looking at the invoice and noticed that they had put in 7
qts
>of oil. My owners manual says 6 qts including filter. I called the
>Valvoline place and they said that it took 7 qts to fill it up and they had
>a tech bulletin which said that the Ford manual was incorrect.
>
>Need your advice. If it really takes 6 qts instead of 7 qts, will the
extra
>quart hurt the engine? What should I do? Nathan or anyone please advise.
>
>Thank you in advance,
>
>Greg Lewis
>Support Center
>880-3812


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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:51:48 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing

With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to start
shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any recommendations?

I've locked 8% at the dealership when I placed my order Sept. 30th, 1998.
(I'm not held to it, just seemed the thing to do facing a possible five to seven

months wait.) What are all of you out there paying? I will be putting over 20%
down payment.

Thanks,

Charles.




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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:12:58 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

Don,

I drive a 99 Superduty Supercab F-250 V-10 Shortbox, and when I'm on the
highway traveling about 70-75mph, I notice that I'm constantly adjusting my
steering also....it seems as though there is too much play in the steering
system, and my front end hasn't even been tampered with. Anyone else
experience our problems? Any idea what is doing it....I have put on new
tires...maybe they need balanced better or something..??????

- --Brandt

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:22:54 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing

>With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to start
>shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any recommendations?
>
>I've locked 8% at the dealership when I placed my order Sept. 30th, 1998.
>(I'm not held to it, just seemed the thing to do facing a possible five to
seven
>
>months wait.) What are all of you out there paying? I will be putting over
20%
>down payment.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charles.
>
>Charles, what I would do is call all of the banks and credit unions in your
area and ask what the interest rate is on new auto loans....that is what I
did and there was quite a bit of difference between each place. The lowest
I found in Great Falls, MT is 7.25% and it was at a credit union. I had to
join the credit union in order to get the loan, but it was well worth it.
Even a 0.25% difference in interest makes a big difference in the long run
(total interest paid).....check into it, it is definitely worth your time!!

- --Brandt
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:31:24 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing

8.5 % Ford Mo.Credit Co.
This was the standerd rate for my truck
as of 12-28-98! thats with 0 down?
Gene

Charles Abraham wrote:

> With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to start
> shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any recommendations?
>
> I've locked 8% at the dealership when I placed my order Sept. 30th, 1998.
> (I'm not held to it, just seemed the thing to do facing a possible five to seven
>
> months wait.) What are all of you out there paying? I will be putting over 20%
> down payment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles.
>
> >
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:51:14 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

At 03:12 PM 1/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Don,
>
>I drive a 99 Superduty Supercab F-250 V-10 Shortbox, and when I'm on the
>highway traveling about 70-75mph, I notice that I'm constantly adjusting my
>steering also....it seems as though there is too much play in the steering
>system, and my front end hasn't even been tampered with. Anyone else
>experience our problems? Any idea what is doing it....I have put on new
>tires...maybe they need balanced better or something..??????

I just bought a 98 f150 shortbed xlt, 4x2. with the 275/60-17 tyres. i
find that on good flat pavement this thing handles like its on rails,
untill the back end gets loose.. but because of the wide tyres, it tends
to wallow in ruts in poor quality highways. when i drove my vette, i had
the same problem, as will as with my jeep (16" wide tires). i drive my
buddys truck, identical to mine except he has the skinny tires its rock
solid on crappy pavement, but he cant hold turns like i can.

you might try increasing the air pressure in the tyres a bit.. take it to
the maximum on the tire, but do it when the tires are hot... and see how
it drives...
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:52:33 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Interest Rates and Financing

At 02:51 PM 1/27/99 -0600, you wrote:
>With my new Super Duty on the way (week of Feb. 8th), it's time to start
>shopping for the best deal on interest rates. Any recommendations?
>
>I've locked 8% at the dealership when I placed my order Sept. 30th, 1998.
>(I'm not held to it, just seemed the thing to do facing a possible five to
seven
>
>months wait.) What are all of you out there paying? I will be putting over
20%
>down payment.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charles.

i just got 6.9%/60mos..... and saw a tv add for 4.9, but dont know the
specifications.. its prolly 90% down 3 month financing..
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:04:11 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

Brandt, is your truck a 4X4 if so what size tires did you put on it?
Did you change rims too?
Thanks Gene

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> Don,
>
> I drive a 99 Superduty Supercab F-250 V-10 Shortbox, and when I'm on the
> highway traveling about 70-75mph, I notice that I'm constantly adjusting my
> steering also....it seems as though there is too much play in the steering
> system, and my front end hasn't even been tampered with. Anyone else
> experience our problems? Any idea what is doing it....I have put on new
> tires...maybe they need balanced better or something..??????
>
> --Brandt
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:49:12 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

>Brandt, is your truck a 4X4 if so what size tires did you put on it?
>Did you change rims too?
>Thanks Gene
>

Gene, my truck is a 4x4....I replaced the tiny 235/85 street tires with some
255/85 all terrain tires. I didn't change the rims. These tires are rated
up to 65psi, but I only have about 50psi. in them. Don't know if it's the
tires causing the wandering or the front end...
- -Brandt

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:49:50 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

In a message dated 99-01-27 17:30:46 EST, you write:


i dont know but it seems like that a bit on mine, but alos the steering wheel
seems to be off a tooth maybe because steering wheel is not quite straight? i
know this because i have had a few mustangs and fords and this can happen
quite easily duiring assembly, because i have done it a few times. You have
to go back pull the shaft off and move it over a tooth, this has been my
experience after doing a few sets of headers and racks.


Ross Smith
RSR/Ross Smith Racing Inc.


Don,

I drive a 99 Superduty Supercab F-250 V-10 Shortbox, and when I'm on the
highway traveling about 70-75mph, I notice that I'm constantly adjusting my
steering also....it seems as though there is too much play in the steering
system, and my front end hasn't even been tampered with. Anyone else
experience our problems? Any idea what is doing it....I have put on new
tires...maybe they need balanced better or something..??????

--Brandt
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:54:17 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>
> >Brandt, is your truck a 4X4 if so what size tires did you put on it?
> >Did you change rims too?
> >Thanks Gene
> >
>
> Gene, my truck is a 4x4....I replaced the tiny 235/85 street tires with some
> 255/85 all terrain tires. I didn't change the rims. These tires are rated
> up to 65psi, but I only have about 50psi. in them. Don't know if it's the
> tires causing the wandering or the front end...
> -Brandt
>
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In all my trucks that had all terrain, or mud tires I never had less
than 60 psi, And all my trucks have had straight axle front suspensions,
they just seem to wander abit it seems but not to the point of being
annoying. Remember most highways have a slope to the curb for water
drainage this can cause you to be continually correcting your steering
if you take into consideration the leverage of a 31" truck tire in
comparison to a 25-26" car tire. Take your truck to the dealer if less
than a year old they will do alignment under warranty.

Kent F-250SD SC XLT 4X4
PS I changed my tiny 285/75 All Terrains to some larger 36x12.5-16 Super
Swamper Mud tires.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:53:03 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

Don Lewoniuk wrote:
>
> This has been an issue since day 1. Usually the amount specified leaves the
> level not up to full on the dipstick(cable). I suspect that 4.6 vs 5.4 vs on
> the block vs behind the bumper filters leads to some minor variations in the
> amounts of oil needed for each application with only one manual to cover
> them all. I go by the dipstick and end up adding more than specified to get
> my 5.4 bumper filter 4x4 close to full which ends up being 6.5l or 6.8 u.s.
> qts. Some say remark the dipstick, some say cut the tube, some say put in 6
> and drive. Strange though that we've never got the definitive answer.
> Nathan? JMC? Tim?
>
> Cheers, Don
>

Don,

Here is my OFFICIAL answer. "Keep the oil in the hash
marks."
1- Remember where it was when you changed your oil so you
can judge is you are burning or losing oil
2- Remember how many QTS/LTRS it took to put it in the hash
marks and use that amount for your next oil change.
3- Change your oil/filter at least as frequent as the
owners manual requires.
4- Use Synthetic or conventional oil as you wish, they are
interchangeable and can be mixed, but be sure to use the
viscosity recommended in the owners manual.
5- Go drive your truck and have fun.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:57:55 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Problems Starting 98 V6!

Brian Nunnally wrote:
>
> Hello All. Longtime listener, first time caller......
> Just kidding. I have been watching the list for a couple of weeks now and I have
> a problem that maybe someone can help me with. My 1998 F150 V6 is very difficult
> to start most of the time. The first time you start it (or start it after it has
> sat for a while), it won't turn over. It sounds like it is going to and then does
> not turn over. If you try to start it again after this first failure, it is even
> worse. It takes over 4 - 5 seconds to get it started those times. The times I
> have gotten it to trun over on the first try, it usually takes at least 3
> seconds. There have been times where it starts right up. These are not common,
> though. I have not found it to correlate with anything (hot, cold, dry, wet,
> regular gas, premium gas, etc.) I took it in a while ago to the dealer and they
> found nothing. ANy ideas? What can I ask them to check when I take it in again?
> Am I doing something wrong?
>
> Sincerely,
> Frustrated Ford Fanatic
> (Brian Nunnally; nunnally iquest.net)
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Brian,

Have them check the symptoms chart under hard starting in
the Shop Manual. in the 97 manual it is page 303.00-5

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:48:46 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150 ESOFS

The F-150 (and 250 LD) has center disconnect so no matter which style 4x4
you get there is no need to get out and lock the hubs. The Super Duty
(F-250 and up) has manual hubs unless you get the shift on the fly. The
4.6L has very good power (its 220HP were the biggest engine available in
1996 (351W) had only 210HP) The 5.4L has incredible power but loses 1-2
MPG depending on how you drive. Drive both and see which one you like. The
trailer towing is nice to have mainly for the transmission cooler and HD
electrical. There is a package that get you this without the trailer hitch
(HD cooling and electrical pkg..), and I'd recommend one of the two. It
never hurts to have better equipment in these areas.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


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From: Susan Ekstrom
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:48 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F150 ESOFS


>Hi everyone,
>
>Well, I went to a Ford dealer today to get some info on the F150. I am
>going to order the F150,SC,139",4WD,XLT. I had a question about the
>shift-on-the-fly. I've been reading the email lately that some of you
>guys/gals have sent on whether one should get this or not. If I am not
>mistaken, the manual shift requires locking the wheelhubs on the wheels
>themselves? Or am I not right. The salesman told me the difference
>between the two is that the manual has a shift type stick in the truck
>and the electronic is a button. There is no locking of any hubs. I'm a
>little confused. Can some of you who were talking about this please
>explain this again? And also, if anyone has this type of truck, can you
>help me out in what other options besides the usual, i.e. ac,pwr
>locks/windows, etc, I should think about getting. I live in NJ. Should I
>be concerned about their emissions pkgs? I will probably order the 4.6L
>engine. Is the 5.4L better? I really can't afford super tires, but what
>is a descent tire besides the standard? What about cab steps? Can I find
>them cheaper elsewhere? Engine block heater? Is that really helpful? I'm
>not sure about a trailer pkg. Maybe I'll hit the lottery some day and
>tow my boat! Should I get one installed anyway? I do apologize if I've
>asked so many questions. This will be my first real new big truck. One
>that I've always wanted! Any help will be appreciated!
>
>Thanks :-)
>
>Sue
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:21:33 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Wandering

Don Lewoniuk wrote:
>
> I recently had the dealer raise the front of the truck via the torsion bars
> to level it after the rear springs were replaced with ORP springs. It may
> be coincidental but since then it seems that it wanders excessively to the
> point that the steering wheel is never still. I went from our Prelude
> yesterday to the truck today and wanted to pull off the highway to look for
> tires equalizing. I remember the truck magazines criticizing the F150s
> staying centered characteristics. Anyone else experience this after
> adjusting the torsion bars or is it seriously time for another alignment?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Don
>

Don,

When I cranked my bars the only difference I felt/saw was
the height of the front end. I would suggest that the
alignment specks were changed by raising the truck. Jounce
the front and rear suspensions then check it out by
measuring the height from the lip of the wheel well to the
ground. The fronts should be the within 5/8 inch and the
rears should be within 3/4 inch of each other. If not
correct the height difference by cranking the torsion bars
up or down. BTW make sure the tires are inflated to specs.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:06:44 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

GOOD IDEAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jean Marc Chartier wrote:

> Don Lewoniuk wrote:
> >
> > This has been an issue since day 1. Usually the amount specified leaves the
> > level not up to full on the dipstick(cable). I suspect that 4.6 vs 5.4 vs on
> > the block vs behind the bumper filters leads to some minor variations in the
> > amounts of oil needed for each application with only one manual to cover
> > them all. I go by the dipstick and end up adding more than specified to get
> > my 5.4 bumper filter 4x4 close to full which ends up being 6.5l or 6.8 u.s.
> > qts. Some say remark the dipstick, some say cut the tube, some say put in 6
> > and drive. Strange though that we've never got the definitive answer.
> > Nathan? JMC? Tim?
> >
> > Cheers, Don
> >
>
> Don,
>
> Here is my OFFICIAL answer. "Keep the oil in the hash
> marks."
> 1- Remember where it was when you changed your oil so you
> can judge is you are burning or losing oil
> 2- Remember how many QTS/LTRS it took to put it in the hash
> marks and use that amount for your next oil change.
> 3- Change your oil/filter at least as frequent as the
> owners manual requires.
> 4- Use Synthetic or conventional oil as you wish, they are
> interchangeable and can be mixed, but be sure to use the
> viscosity recommended in the owners manual.
> 5- Go drive your truck and have fun.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:45:39 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS

"Gregory E. Schafer" wrote:

>
> InterMotive offers Rotunda NGS kits (same as Ford Dealers use) to Fleet
> Accounts that are approved to do their own Ford warranty work. The kit
> costs $2200 + Shipping and comes with the most recent software card.
> Fleets can contact InterMotive at 707/438-7828.
>
> Greg Schafer

If you have a good relationship with someone at a Ford dealership you
should be able to get one for around $1,400. When I worked at the dealership
, that was our price if we ordered 5 or more. If you find a dealership that
has an order for four ready to go, they may be glad to get you one so they
get a better price. I don't know if this price would include the cards or
not. The cards are updated about every 3 months and there are two cards.
One card is for most of the engine stuff and the other card is for the
electrical stuff.
I would have liked to have gotten one, but didn't didn't have $1,400 to
spend.



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Steve #1

'99 F150 Regular Cab 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT
'87 K5 Blazer 350 4X4


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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:52:59 EST
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