97up-list-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 022



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
RE: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
FTE 97up - Problems Starting 98 V6!
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
FTE 97up - Re: Super duty mileage
RE: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
Re: FTE 97up - Problems Starting 98 V6!
Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine ( and 4.6L, too)
FTE 97up - 5.4L Oil Capacity
FTE 97up - service today

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:30:06 -0600
From: greg_lewis metro.nashville.org
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

I have a 99 E-350 XLT Super Duty Extended Wagon with the 5.4 liter engine.
Recently I had the oil changed at a local Valvoline quickie place. On the
way home I was looking at the invoice and noticed that they had put in 7 qts
of oil. My owners manual says 6 qts including filter. I called the
Valvoline place and they said that it took 7 qts to fill it up and they had
a tech bulletin which said that the Ford manual was incorrect.

Need your advice. If it really takes 6 qts instead of 7 qts, will the extra
quart hurt the engine? What should I do? Nathan or anyone please advise.

Thank you in advance,

Greg Lewis
Support Center
880-3812


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:43:30 -0500
From: tsaint erols.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

I've always been told that you are better off a quart low than a quart
over. Extra oil supposedly causes extra pressure on seals. I'd double check
with a more informative source such as the Ford service dept.

At 08:30 AM 1/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a 99 E-350 XLT Super Duty Extended Wagon with the 5.4 liter engine.
>Recently I had the oil changed at a local Valvoline quickie place. On the
>way home I was looking at the invoice and noticed that they had put in 7 qts
>of oil. My owners manual says 6 qts including filter. I called the
>Valvoline place and they said that it took 7 qts to fill it up and they had
>a tech bulletin which said that the Ford manual was incorrect.
>
>Need your advice. If it really takes 6 qts instead of 7 qts, will the extra
>quart hurt the engine? What should I do? Nathan or anyone please advise.
>
>Thank you in advance,
>
>Greg Lewis
>Support Center
>880-3812
>
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:19:36 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

My 5.4L expedition takes 6.3 or so qts of Mobil 1 with filter change.

greg_lewis metro.nashville.org wrote:
>
> I have a 99 E-350 XLT Super Duty Extended Wagon with the 5.4 liter engine.
> Recently I had the oil changed at a local Valvoline quickie place. On the
> way home I was looking at the invoice and noticed that they had put in 7 qts
> of oil. My owners manual says 6 qts including filter. I called the
> Valvoline place and they said that it took 7 qts to fill it up and they had
> a tech bulletin which said that the Ford manual was incorrect.
>
> Need your advice. If it really takes 6 qts instead of 7 qts, will the extra
> quart hurt the engine? What should I do? Nathan or anyone please advise.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Greg Lewis
> Support Center
> 880-3812
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:38:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

> I've always been told that you are better off a quart low than a quart
> over. Extra oil supposedly causes extra pressure on seals. I'd double check
> with a more informative source such as the Ford service dept.

> >Need your advice. If it really takes 6 qts instead of 7 qts, will the extra
> >quart hurt the engine? What should I do? Nathan or anyone please advise.
> >
> >Thank you in advance,
> >
> >Greg Lewis

I've never heard about extra seal pressure from too much oil. But if the
level is so high that the crank splashes in it, the oil could foam.
Foaming oil doesn't lubricate very well. Also, power is being wasted
splashing the oil.

Danny

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:02:24 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

This has been an issue since day 1. Usually the amount specified leaves the
level not up to full on the dipstick(cable). I suspect that 4.6 vs 5.4 vs on
the block vs behind the bumper filters leads to some minor variations in the
amounts of oil needed for each application with only one manual to cover
them all. I go by the dipstick and end up adding more than specified to get
my 5.4 bumper filter 4x4 close to full which ends up being 6.5l or 6.8 u.s.
qts. Some say remark the dipstick, some say cut the tube, some say put in 6
and drive. Strange though that we've never got the definitive answer.
Nathan? JMC? Tim?

Cheers, Don

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> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:10:39 -0500
From: Brian Nunnally
Subject: FTE 97up - Problems Starting 98 V6!

Hello All. Longtime listener, first time caller......
Just kidding. I have been watching the list for a couple of weeks now and I have
a problem that maybe someone can help me with. My 1998 F150 V6 is very difficult
to start most of the time. The first time you start it (or start it after it has
sat for a while), it won't turn over. It sounds like it is going to and then does
not turn over. If you try to start it again after this first failure, it is even
worse. It takes over 4 - 5 seconds to get it started those times. The times I
have gotten it to trun over on the first try, it usually takes at least 3
seconds. There have been times where it starts right up. These are not common,
though. I have not found it to correlate with anything (hot, cold, dry, wet,
regular gas, premium gas, etc.) I took it in a while ago to the dealer and they
found nothing. ANy ideas? What can I ask them to check when I take it in again?
Am I doing something wrong?

Sincerely,
Frustrated Ford Fanatic
(Brian Nunnally; nunnally iquest.net)

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:33:23 -0500
From: Dave
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

Greg, et al,

SIX quarts is correct. This is a common rip-off practice at the quick
lubes. Get them to SHOW you TSB!

Too much oil will cause it to "foam" and you lose the lubricating
abilities. One quart overfill may or may not do any damage.

Dave
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:40:37 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

I had the same problem.
The shop forman said just fill it to
the full mark, which in my 99 5.4 would be
approx. 6 3/4 to 7 quarts.
I put 6 1/2 in and I'm still a quarter inch or
so lower than full.....

Vaughn
99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4



I have a 99 E-350 XLT Super Duty Extended Wagon with the 5.4
liter engine. Recently I had the oil changed at a local
Valvoline quickie place. On the way home I was looking at the
invoice and noticed that they had put in 7 qts of oil. My
owners manual says 6 qts including filter. I called the
Valvoline place and they said that it took 7 qts to fill it up
and they had a tech bulletin which said that the Ford manual was
incorrect.

Need your advice. If it really takes 6 qts instead of 7 qts,
will the extra quart hurt the engine? What should I do? Nathan
or anyone please advise.

Thank you in advance,

Greg Lewis
Support Center
880-3812


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:48:20 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Super duty mileage

> I am now looking at the Super Duty F250 with either the V10 3.73 rear or the
> Power Stoke Diesel with the 3.73
>
> Can anyone give me an idea what kind of mileage I can get both towing and
> unloaded on the flat freeway.
>
> The unit will be 4 x 2 super cab with 8 foot bed and tow package.
>
I have a F250 PSD Automatic such as you want and tow a 10,000# 5W
trailer. Mileage is 18-19 solo and 11-13 towing. Speed affects
the towing mileage but the solo mileage is pretty consistent - 19
on open highway and 18 if some stop and go is thrown in.
- --
Gary
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:10:50 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

TSB? Didn't know of a TSB on the issue. I've heard so many opinions on this
issue that I haven't been reading the content of the posts anymore. If the
TSB was already detailed would someone mind reposting it?

Cheers, Don

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> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 3:33 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine
>
>
> Greg, et al,
>
> SIX quarts is correct. This is a common rip-off practice at the quick
> lubes. Get them to SHOW you TSB!
>
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:10:08 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine

At Mr. Lube I watch them open each bottle of Mobil 1 and I view the
dipstick right after. To get to the proper level on the dipstick in MY
5.4L EB, it takes more than 6 quarts. It may not need it, according to
other posts, but mine will take 6.3 quarts before it hits the full mark
on the stick.

Dave wrote:
>
> Greg, et al,
>
> SIX quarts is correct. This is a common rip-off practice at the quick
> lubes. Get them to SHOW you TSB!
>
> Too much oil will cause it to "foam" and you lose the lubricating
> abilities. One quart overfill may or may not do any damage.
>
> Dave
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:42:46 -0600
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Problems Starting 98 V6!

Have you checked the battery with a tester like they use at auto parts store
such as auto zone or pep boys? I had a D*o* g* that had a battery that went
out 12 months to the day after my purchase.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:15:57 -0600
From: Glenn S See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil capacity in 5.4 liter engine ( and 4.6L, too)

I guess my Ford service man is foaming at the mouth from too much
oil....as a hedge against any warranty claim debacles, I've been having
the local dealership do the recommended maintenance per the service guide
while the '98 F-150 XL SC 4x2 w/4.6L is still under warranty. With
15,000 miles on it since new they've been putting in 7 qts US for an
oil/filter change even though the manual in the glove box has it in black
and white the oil capacity is 6 qts. Maybe he use to work at Qwikky
Lube....... :-)

17-18mpg since the day I drove it off the lot......I guess the factory
broke in the englne before they installed the odometer.....LOL......

Steve
^----haulin' an F-550 butt on an F-150 budget.....haha
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:33:23 -0500 Dave writes:
>Greg, et al,
>
>SIX quarts is correct. This is a common rip-off practice at the
>quick
>lubes. Get them to SHOW you TSB!
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:13:13 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4L Oil Capacity

When I do an oil & filter change I would put in 5 4/5 litres of oil( 6
quarts US) this will bring it 1/3 in between the lines which is where
the owners manual says is sufficient. Just for curiosity if I add
another litre it will bring it to the top mark(max) So the manual is
correct by saying if its in between the lines do not add any more (6
Quarts US) although it will take more, it is not needed, but should not
hurt it. Most of my Ford engines I have had over the years seem to burn
any excess when filled to the max and stop doing so when the level
reaches approx 1/2 way between the lines.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:39:11 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - service today

Well got my 2nd service Done on my F 250SD PSD/SC/4x4 XLT, at Tallahassee
Ford, i was very pleased with the service, Got in and out within a hour or
two w/o appt. The Service writer was very knowledgeable as the the TSB for my
truck, the only one that came up was the Left rear brake line.
I also had a Tag light out! So, you guys best check your tag lights to make
sure there all working, he said they have had some problems with them. I
havent crawled under this truck yet too see about doing a oil change myself
yet, but i am going ot change to synthetic soon, i talked to a guy at Redline....

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