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FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE...
Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE...
Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.
Re: FTE 97up - Custom Dual exhaust
FTE 97up - 300HP Navigator
FTE 97up - (no subject)
Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.
FTE 97up - Re: '99SD GVWR 250 vs 350
FTE 97up - Super duty mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Super duty mileage
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Nov & Dec archives
Re: FTE 97up - Unscheduled Clean??
FTE 97up - Flowmaster Kit
FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 6.8
Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE...
FTE 97up - Engine Oil and Gasoline
Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.
Re: FTE 97up - Flowmaster Kit
Re: FTE 97up - Super duty mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Flowmaster Kit
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 97up - Surging 99 Powestroke FIXED!

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:53:37 PST
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE...

I am looking into leasing a new 250 superduty with either a 5.4 V8 or
6.8 V10 with an auto tranny. It will be 4WD and a supercab what can I
expect for gas consuption city and highway with a reasonably light foot?
Has anybody used a bed cover for better milage? Did it work? BTW, the
truck will have a 3.73 ring gear

Thanks all,
Bryan

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:45:49 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE...

I have a 4x4 crewcab 3.73gears V10 Shortbed
according to my built in average gas mileage meter
Iam getting 10mpg, but it only has 1500 miles on it.
I just put a tarp on the back , maybe this will help?
I think I could get 13mpg on the highway!
I do have a heavy foot!
Gene


Bryan Snyder wrote:

> I am looking into leasing a new 250 superduty with either a 5.4 V8 or
> 6.8 V10 with an auto tranny. It will be 4WD and a supercab what can I
> expect for gas consuption city and highway with a reasonably light foot?
> Has anybody used a bed cover for better milage? Did it work? BTW, the
> truck will have a 3.73 ring gear
>
> Thanks all,
> Bryan
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:48:31 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.

I have the exact truck and mine has the 5.4 in it.
The last time I checked my mileage, was a trip to
my parents house in the mountains of Pa.
Combination highway, backroads approx. 50/50 mix
I got 15.6 mpg.

Vaughn
99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 White


I am looking into leasing a new 250 superduty with either a 5.4
V8 or 6.8 V10 with an auto tranny. It will be 4WD and a supercab
what can I expect for gas consuption city and highway with a
reasonably light foot? Has anybody used a bed cover for better
milage? Did it work? BTW, the truck will have a 3.73 ring gear

Thanks all,
Bryan

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:40:01 EST
From: Bear6522 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Custom Dual exhaust

I just had a custom set put on my 97 Exp. I looked at borla and gibson, but
neither had the dual setup that i was looking for. A local shop (Baton Rouge)
installed a custom Flowmaster setup with dual tips angled out after the rear
tires. I've already gotten several comments about it. The sound is exactly
what i was looking for too.

Besides the fact that you don't see that many Exp with dual exhaust setups!

Todd Cole (La Bear)
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:06:30 EST
From: Jrhexp aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 300HP Navigator

Nathan, I have enjoyed reading your posts on the site. Was wondering if you
knew what they did to get the 300 HP out of the (I assume 5.4) Ford is
advertising in the 99 Navigator, Thanks , Jim Haynor
97 EB Exp.
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:08:29 EST
From: Rpdonnelly aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - (no subject)

I just took delivery of a 99 F150 extended cab. It came equiped with the
trailer towing package. In the plastic bag with the 4 prong adapter, there
are a couple of relays that are to be insatlled in order for the electronic
tow package to work properly(so says the literature that came in the package).
Does any one know if these relays should be installed at all times or just
during towing? Thanks

Ron Donnelly OKC,OK
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:34:55 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:10:05 -0800
From: "Harald Stenger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: '99SD GVWR 250 vs 350

Norm Brown wrote:
Based on the responses so far (Thanks!) I am beginning to think that
Disney's 2nd Law - "Wishing will make it so" may be valid in this case in
that the advertised GVWR is selected for MARKETING reasons.

Hi Norm,
I'm by no means an expert on GVWR of the new trucks, but I recall someone
looked up the part numbers for frame and springs and they are different for
F250 and F350. This was posted on a forum that's currently down for
upgrades. On a previous post to this list someone mentioned that the F350
gets overload springs, but actually F350's without the camper package don't
get the contact overload spring (except maybe with the heavy duty suspension
package). I've seen with my own eyes a F350 without the contact overload.

Harald

99 F350 SC, SRW, V10, 4.30, ESOF, ABS, Camper pkg.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:11:33 -0800
From: "mlester"
Subject: FTE 97up - Super duty mileage

Hi all

I am new to this list so please have patience.

I have been researching the purchase of a F series trust since last August.

As I went along my needs changed. I bought a larger toy (travel trailer
7400 lbs)

I am now looking at the Super Duty F250 with either the V10 3.73 rear or the
Power Stoke Diesel with the 3.73

Can anyone give me an idea what kind of mileage I can get both towing and
unloaded on the flat freeway.

I know that is kind of a broad request, so even if only the unloaded mileage
would give me a good idea.

The unit will be 4 x 2 super cab with 8 foot bed and tow package.

Thanks in advance

Martial

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:57:16 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super duty mileage

In a message dated 99-01-24 14:13:55 EST, you write:


i love my powerstroke, i gets lots better mileage than any of the gas trucks i
have ever had, i dont think i will ever buy another gas truck. it gets great
mileage pulling, i have had 2 good pulls so far a 2 horse w/ dressing room
trailer 75 i dont know what kind of mileage exactly but i seemed really
good. Also when i went to sell my old F 150 4x4 i pulled it behind my new 99
PSD, w/ trailer that was around 7-8k and it got great mileage for about
300miles.

RS


I am new to this list so please have patience.

I have been researching the purchase of a F series trust since last August.

As I went along my needs changed. I bought a larger toy (travel trailer
7400 lbs)

I am now looking at the Super Duty F250 with either the V10 3.73 rear or the
Power Stoke Diesel with the 3.73

Can anyone give me an idea what kind of mileage I can get both towing and
unloaded on the flat freeway.

I know that is kind of a broad request, so even if only the unloaded mileage
would give me a good idea.

The unit will be 4 x 2 super cab with 8 foot bed and tow package.

Thanks in advance

Martial
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:59:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Nov & Dec archives

November and December list archives are now on the website.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:35:56 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Unscheduled Clean??

Some of the options are harder to get (Crew Cab, CD) but shouldn't be a
major thing. Your dealer just must not have the necessary allocation to get
it scheduled quickly.

Nathan

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 11:38 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Unscheduled Clean??


>Nathan,
>My dealer has told me that my 99 psd is listed as Unscheduled Clean, but it
>been that way for more than 30 days [11/10/98], here what I've ordered,
would
>like to know if anything on there may be holding it up.
>
>99 PSD 350 4X4 crew cab 172" [w31], white, 40/20/40 bench Demin, 617a
XLT,21m
>manual hubs, XD1 3.73 limited slip, carpet delete 166, cab steps 18L,
sliding R
>window 433, spare 512, pwr TT mirrors 54y, off road 55r, CD radio 58k, PTO
>trans 62r, 4 whl abs 67B, trailer Hitch 86R, Pwr Seat 90P, Privacy Glass
924,
>Keyless Entry 948, Aux IDle 961, Trailer tow 531, camper 532,
>
>Anxious
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:43:24 -0600
From: "Jackson Whitacre"
Subject: FTE 97up - Flowmaster Kit

Has anyone tried the new flowmaster kit for the 98-99 f-150? It is their
part No. 17222. I drive 35K per year and would like to know how loud it is
and if it helped perf & MPG...

Thanks,

Jackson Whitacre

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:56:59 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 vs 6.8

Can anyone tell me if the front of the blocks are similar if not the same.
I'm interested in using brackets made specifically for a 5.4 on the 6.8.
Anyone ever have a chance compare the two?

thanks
pk


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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:32:38 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE...

I have a 99 F-250 SD SC V-10 A/T. It's only got 1800 miles on it. So far the
best mileage I've seen was 12mpg on a 250 mile trip, mostly highway miles
but a lot of stops included. I'm hoping this improves over time but I'm not
going to hold my breathe.



>I am looking into leasing a new 250 superduty with either a 5.4 V8 or
>6.8 V10 with an auto tranny. It will be 4WD and a supercab what can I
>expect for gas consuption city and highway with a reasonably light foot?
>Has anybody used a bed cover for better milage? Did it work? BTW, the
>truck will have a 3.73 ring gear
>
>Thanks all,
>Bryan
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:12:15 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine Oil and Gasoline

I know we have been having a lot of discussions on Engine Oil Lately
regarding synthetic vs conventional. The link below has a lot of information
about the different grades of oil and also what the API codes actually mean
(you know the api symbol on the containers of oil that you buy). There is
also some usefull info on Gasoline as well.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.api.org/consumer/

Ron

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:26:19 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.

I have the F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / SuperCab / Longbed /
Snowplow Package / Tow Package / Off-Road Package / Power Take-off Provision
/ 3.73LS / All the Goodies.

I did a little snowplowing the other day. I got 5.468 miles per gallon.
Otherwise I get about 8 to 9, but I like to drive with a heavy foot and I
have not gone a roadtrip yet, so I presume the mileage will get better on
the highway.


Keith



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From: Vaughn (VDB)
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What can I figure for MPG for a superduty? MORE.


>
>I have the exact truck and mine has the 5.4 in it.
>The last time I checked my mileage, was a trip to
>my parents house in the mountains of Pa.
>Combination highway, backroads approx. 50/50 mix
>I got 15.6 mpg.
>
>Vaughn
>99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 White
>
>
>I am looking into leasing a new 250 superduty with either a 5.4
>V8 or 6.8 V10 with an auto tranny. It will be 4WD and a supercab
>what can I expect for gas consuption city and highway with a
>reasonably light foot? Has anybody used a bed cover for better
>milage? Did it work? BTW, the truck will have a 3.73 ring gear
>
>Thanks all,
>Bryan
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:33:57 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Flowmaster Kit

Jackson Whitacre wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried the new flowmaster kit for the 98-99 f-150? It is their
> part No. 17222. I drive 35K per year and would like to know how loud it is
> and if it helped perf & MPG...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jackson Whitacre
>
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I don`t know what the kit is like but I removed the stock 3" muffler
from my 99F-250SD 5.4 with a 2 chamber flowmaster, and it has a nice
raspy sound in the lower rpm range and not much louder in the higher rpm
range. It seems to be a lot quicker in the upper top rpm range (same as
when installed on my 5.0L Mustang) don`t know about mileage as I don`t
make that a big concern of mine.
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:43:34 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super duty mileage

If you are going with a 4X2, you may want to check into dual rear wheels,
especially if you tow a lot. It really adds stability. I got the F-350 4X4
single rear wheels with the V-10 3.73LS. Very happy with it, all the power
I need (it pushes a lot of snow with the plow).

Keith



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From: mlester
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 2:12 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Super duty mileage


>Hi all
>
>I am new to this list so please have patience.
>
>I have been researching the purchase of a F series trust since last August.
>
>As I went along my needs changed. I bought a larger toy (travel trailer
>7400 lbs)
>
>I am now looking at the Super Duty F250 with either the V10 3.73 rear or
the
>Power Stoke Diesel with the 3.73
>
>Can anyone give me an idea what kind of mileage I can get both towing and
>unloaded on the flat freeway.
>
>I know that is kind of a broad request, so even if only the unloaded
mileage
>would give me a good idea.
>
>The unit will be 4 x 2 super cab with 8 foot bed and tow package.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Martial
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:10:30 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Flowmaster Kit

Kent Tombs wrote:
>
> Jackson Whitacre wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone tried the new flowmaster kit for the 98-99 f-150? It is their
> > part No. 17222. I drive 35K per year and would like to know how loud it is
> > and if it helped perf & MPG...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jackson Whitacre
> >
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> I don`t know what the kit is like but I removed the stock 3" muffler
> from my 99F-250SD 5.4 replaced with a 2 chamber flowmaster, and it has a nice
> raspy sound in the lower rpm range and not much louder in the higher rpm
> range. It seems to be a lot quicker in the upper top rpm range (same as
> when installed on my 5.0L Mustang) don`t know about mileage as I don`t
> make that a big concern of mine.
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:42:01 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates

- - We now host the "Snake Oil" article directly after getting
permission from the publisher. This is a good article
dispelling the myths about Slick 50 and other oil treatments.
Go to the main page and click on the misc member contributions
link.

- - 30 new trucks added to the pictorial

- - 5 new links added to links pages

- - New article added to misc section (funny)

- - Event added to events section

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:01:25 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - Surging 99 Powestroke FIXED!

Hey all!
Thanks to all who replied and Nathan also, who may try this fix at his
dealership!
My Baltimore dealer said there was water getting inside the airbox and
when it got cold the filter was hard as a rock! There was a TSB update
on how to modify the airbox and relocate the opening. They said water
was coming up from the wheel well on the left side and getting into the
box, obviously when it got cold or freezing my filter was a solid block
of ice! The performed their fix and it has worked so far. I drove in
alot of rain last week and it cooled off and no more surging problems.

Also, they researched to see if my truck has the temperature feature and
they said NO! They don't know why except that some early production....


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