97up-list-digest Thursday, January 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 002



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - SD, DRW brakes
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
Re: FTE 97up - SD250 4X4 rear height
FTE 97up - Re: Ford 3000 circa 1966 Diesel
FTE 97up - Several Issues
FTE 97up - Stinky Heater
FTE 97up - 99 PSD Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Stinky Heater
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
FTE 97up - ford diesle website
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
FTE 97up - Bed switch between 96 & 99 F350
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F150 fuel economy & fan clutch
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Several Issues
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
FTE 97up - re: decreasing mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
Re: FTE 97up - Several Issues
Re: FTE 97up - re: decreasing mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:07:41 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - SD, DRW brakes

My F-350 SD DRW Cab-chassis is permanently loaded to 10,500...The brakes
are proportioned totally wrong. The front brakes lock on snowy roads &
the rears do nothing untill I press the pedal another 2". This is the
truck that was built with vacuum boost & then changed to hydro-boost
brake booster, could it also have wrong proportioning valve or rear
calipers? It is 4W ABS & these do function, but DON'T put on the brakes
on a snowy curve! Has anyone else had this problem?
Lee Haefele
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:02:18 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

The DRL's may help prevent accidents but in this area they've caused about
as many as they've prevented. Too many people are driving at night using
their DRL's not realizing they don't have taillights. I hope Ford doesn't
make these standard, as I'd have to unhook them on my vehicles. Apparently
GM starting to hear about them also, as I've heard that on certain GMC
models they have become optional instead of standard.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring


>I believe studies were performed in Sweden and Canada. DRLs improved
safety
>by a statistically-significant amount.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bud Feuless & Miki Magara
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 11:24 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
>
>
>>Y'know... I've never really understood this whole daytime running lights
>>thing...
>>
>>Back near the end of World War II, the Army was experimenting with various
>>methods of camouflage. They found that the most effective way to hid a
>tank
>>in the middle of the desert, at that time, was to cover it with headlights
>>and turn them on. This, of course, refers to covering the whole vehicle,
>>not just turning on the standard lights. Myself, I have found that
running
>>lights really help only if they contrast strongly with the overall color
of
>>the vehicle. In other words, I find a black truck at day, running his
>>lights easy to see. I find a tan truck at day, running his lights either
>>less easy to see or not improved.
>>
>>Did someone out there actually do some ground-breaking research on this
>>topic at some time? Is there real reason or evidence behind this that got
>>the whole country interested? Or, is this another marketing ploy... like
>>low cholesterol (eating cholesterol has no direct correlating impact on
>>serum cholesterol, you're putting it into your stomach, not injecting it
>>into your blood) and today's low fat foods (that often have twice the
>>caloric content due to increase carbohydrate/sugar content, pure sugar has
>>no fat, try living on it for a few weeks and see if you lose weight!).
>>
>>Regards, Bud


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:44:05 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD250 4X4 rear height

We've only lowered a couple of trucks. Neither one has had any problems.
They look OK, unless your accelerating then they look like their going
uphill. If I HAD TO lower my own truck, I'd get a set of 1" spacers to put
back where the factory 4x4 spacers were located. This would make the truck
level and look good.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

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From: Gene Ball
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 6:16 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - SD250 4X4 rear height


>Super Duty F250 4X4 crewcab shortbed.
>Can I get some suggestions how to lower this thing!
>And do it right! Just the back!
>I am thinking about pulling out the blocks between the axle and spring
>and replacing them with 2wd pads? Will this work, how far will this drop
>it?
>I have heard something about vibration when the back is lowered?
>Is this due to the angle of the rear axel, can the axle be shimed up or
>down to copensate for this?
>Or better yet does anyone make a kit to do this, that is trouble free?
>Thanks for any and all advice!
>Gene Ball


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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:14:47 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford 3000 circa 1966 Diesel

I run Perkins marine engines and they all still come with Lucas CAV injector
pumps. Perkins was being distributed by Detroit Diesel and you may still be
able to get service there. If not, there are still a number of independent
Perkins dealers on the web and, while its not really a truck site, you can
visit www.boatdiesel.com, where you will find many parts for sale and info
on service.

Regards, Bud

>Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:19:08 -0500
>From: Claude King
>Subject: FTE 97up - Ford 3000 circa 1966 Diesel
>
>I know it is off topic but I need to get my injector pump rebuilt on my
Ford
>3000 3Cyl Diesel tractor, has lucas system last of ones built in England.
Any
>pointers would be helpful
>
>Thanks


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:47:03 -0600
From: greg_lewis metro.nashville.org
Subject: FTE 97up - Several Issues

I have a 1999 E-350 XLT Super Extended Wagon with a 5.4 liter engine. I
have 4000 miles on it and am getting 17 MPG on open road and around 12 MPG
in town. I am pleased as the vehicle weighs in at 9100 lbs.

I too am getting that "old ashtray with a hint of mildew" smell when I first
start the heater. If I turn it way up it goes away quickly -- if I leave it
on low it lingers for quite a while. I don't smoke so it is not latent
smoke smell.

Greg Lewis
Support Center
880-3812


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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:57:36 -0500
From: "M. David B. Robinson, C.A."
Subject: FTE 97up - Stinky Heater

I have a 98 F150 Lariat 4X4 ORP (29,000 Km) with the same problem. Ford has
issued TSB 98-2-7 on this problem. My dealer followed the TSB procedures
twice and the smell came back both times. It is caused by mold and mildew
due to a design flaw in the HVAC duct work that does not allow moisture (ie,
water) to drain from the system. This mold and mildew can cause respiratory
problems for people in the truck (Legionnaires Disease was attributed to
this same type of problem). The third time my dealer got further
instructions from Ford Engineering and tore the dash out, pulled all the
duct work, soaked it in anti-bacterial/anti-fungus solution and put it back
together again. 28 days later the smell was back. Ford of Canada is now
buying back this lemon from me and I am getting a 99 F150 Lariat 4X4 ORP LSD
which is supposed to be built the week of 01/18/99. I had a 97 F150 Lariat
4X4 ORP and had no problems with it at all. Be persistent with your dealer
until they get the problem solved for you.



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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:01:53 -0600
From: Jack
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PSD Mileage

When I first bought my 99 F250 PSD, and started pulling my 12K lb 5th
wheel, I averaged 9+ mpg irrespective of terrain. Now that the odometer
is approaching 10K, mpg has increased to 11+. It seems also that the
truck is pulling better; it no longer struggles to get up to highway
speed, or when pulling away from a traffic light.

On the otherhand, I've had more "bad luck" with this truck than with any
other that I've ever owned. Shortly after taking delivery, someone ran
into me at a traffic light and damaged the rear bumper. They replaced
that one, and just recently someone backed into me at a shopping center
and damaged the new one!

Noise in the cab continues to be a big problem for the first 10 minutes
or so after first starting the truck.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:38:45 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Stinky Heater

Come to think about it, my wife in her '97 Ranger has always opened the windows
for a brief period of time as she says, "to get the smell out" from the
heater/air.
It usually gone after a few minutes once the engine is warm. Hmmm....
Wonder if there has been any TSB on the '97 Ford Ranger for a similar problem?

David, your new '99 F150 scheduled to be built, has Ford given you any
reassurance
that the HVAC problem has been fixed and won't repeat itself on this vehicle?

Charles.

M. David B. Robinson, C.A. wrote:

> I have a 98 F150 Lariat 4X4 ORP (29,000 Km) with the same problem. Ford has
> issued TSB 98-2-7 on this problem. My dealer followed the TSB procedures
> twice and the smell came back both times. It is caused by mold and mildew
> due to a design flaw in the HVAC duct work that does not allow moisture (ie,
> water) to drain from the system. This mold and mildew can cause respiratory
> problems for people in the truck (Legionnaires Disease was attributed to
> this same type of problem). The third time my dealer got further
> instructions from Ford Engineering and tore the dash out, pulled all the
> duct work, soaked it in anti-bacterial/anti-fungus solution and put it back
> together again. 28 days later the smell was back. Ford of Canada is now
> buying back this lemon from me and I am getting a 99 F150 Lariat 4X4 ORP LSD
> which is supposed to be built the week of 01/18/99. I had a 97 F150 Lariat
> 4X4 ORP and had no problems with it at all. Be persistent with your dealer
> until they get the problem solved for you.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:56:15 -0500
From: "Larry Hackler"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

Interesting, I had the Ford DRL installed on my new F150. I noticed the
possibility of forgetting to put on the light (so I would have the tail
lights on) so I tried it. The instrument lights are not on so anyone
forgetting to do this would never have looked at the instrument panel. I
guess is possible but the interior of the car is so dark without the
instrument lights that I feel most people would notice something is wrong.

I liked the system on a few rental cars that I drove that were completely
automatic (did have over ride if auto system failed). Maybe those that want
DRL will have to make sure they have an automatic light system.

Larry
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From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring


>The DRL's may help prevent accidents but in this area they've caused about
>as many as they've prevented. Too many people are driving at night using
>their DRL's not realizing they don't have taillights.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:52:32 -0800
From: johny
Subject: FTE 97up - ford diesle website

In the event you've had serious withdrawals...

is back up.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://216.98.64.253/users/jlester/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:47:38 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

In Canada DRLs have been mandatory on new vehicles for several years
now. My impression is that they definitely improve visibility
particularly in the winter when cars get coated with road salt and there
are more people driving to work during the dawn and dusk hours. My
opinion is that the extra visibility allows for improved reaction time.

As for night driving, there will always be people who drive without
their "night" lights on - it is only natural around dusk when lighting
conditions degrade rapidly. Better to have some lights (DRLs) than
none. Don't forget, your dash board lights don't illuminate until you
turn on your night lights, which provides a natural warning system. In
any event, like anything else you get used to new things over time.

Stats prove DRLs reduce daytime accidents significantly. Please see
below...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hwysafety.org/qanda/qadrl.htm


Nathan, thanks for all the great info you provide us Ford fanatics, I
for one appreciate your usual attention to detail and willingness to
provide us with the "inside info".

Regards,




Union Auto wrote:
>
> The DRL's may help prevent accidents but in this area they've caused about
> as many as they've prevented. Too many people are driving at night using
> their DRL's not realizing they don't have taillights. I hope Ford doesn't
> make these standard, as I'd have to unhook them on my vehicles. Apparently
> GM starting to hear about them also, as I've heard that on certain GMC
> models they have become optional instead of standard.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Veren
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
>
> >I believe studies were performed in Sweden and Canada. DRLs improved
> safety
> >by a statistically-significant amount.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bud Feuless & Miki Magara
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 11:24 AM
> >Subject: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
> >
> >
> >>Y'know... I've never really understood this whole daytime running lights
> >>thing...
> >>
> >>Back near the end of World War II, the Army was experimenting with various
> >>methods of camouflage. They found that the most effective way to hid a
> >tank
> >>in the middle of the desert, at that time, was to cover it with headlights
> >>and turn them on. This, of course, refers to covering the whole vehicle,
> >>not just turning on the standard lights. Myself, I have found that
> running
> >>lights really help only if they contrast strongly with the overall color
> of
> >>the vehicle. In other words, I find a black truck at day, running his
> >>lights easy to see. I find a tan truck at day, running his lights either
> >>less easy to see or not improved.
> >>
> >>Did someone out there actually do some ground-breaking research on this
> >>topic at some time? Is there real reason or evidence behind this that got
> >>the whole country interested? Or, is this another marketing ploy... like
> >>low cholesterol (eating cholesterol has no direct correlating impact on
> >>serum cholesterol, you're putting it into your stomach, not injecting it
> >>into your blood) and today's low fat foods (that often have twice the
> >>caloric content due to increase carbohydrate/sugar content, pure sugar has
> >>no fat, try living on it for a few weeks and see if you lose weight!).
> >>
> >>Regards, Bud
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:59:29 -0600
From: Mark Usnick
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed switch between 96 & 99 F350

Will a bed from a '96 F350 SRW pickup move to a
'99 F350 SRW with no modifications? I'm building
a flatbed to use on my '96 until I can talk Sweetie
Pie into letting me buy a '99 (more than likely a '00!).

I'm building it to just bolt to the frame using the
existing 6 bolts that hold a pickup bed on.

Are the 99 dimensions of bed, and placement of
bolts identical? What about cab height - I'll
go ahead and make the headache rack a little
taller now, but how much?

TIA,

Mark

'96 F350 4x4
'90 Bronco II 4x4
'56 Willys CJ5 4x4
'41 Ford 9N

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:00:15 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F150 fuel economy & fan clutch

>>I just ordered an electric fan for my F-150. I'm going to yank the
>>engine-driven fan and install the electric as soon as time and weather
>>permit.
>>
>>Danny
>
>What did you order?
>---------------
>Ken Peterson, Portland, OR

I ordered a 16" Perma Cool fan (P/N 19115) and the wiring kit with temp
sensor (P/N 19001).

Danny
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:46:45 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

Union Auto wrote:
>
> The DRL's may help prevent accidents but in this area they've caused about
> as many as they've prevented. Too many people are driving at night using
> their DRL's not realizing they don't have taillights. I hope Ford doesn't
> make these standard, as I'd have to unhook them on my vehicles. Apparently
> GM starting to hear about them also, as I've heard that on certain GMC
> models they have become optional instead of standard.
>
> Nathan
>
Nathan,

Think about it, they have to be ignorant to drive at night
with only the DRL's. DRL's only power the High beams and
not the instrument panel. How can these people see how fast
they are going with no panel illumination? It sounds like
these people would have caused accidents even without
DRL's. DRL's are a good thing, up there with seat belts.
Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
of headlights when you turn on the wipers.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:24:05 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Several Issues

That is exactly what was happening with mine. If it was on Heat mode the
smell was not present, but when I would set it on Cool that smell would be
too much so I would just open a window.

- -----Original Message-----
From: greg_lewis metro.nashville.org
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:49 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Several Issues


>I have a 1999 E-350 XLT Super Extended Wagon with a 5.4 liter engine. I
>have 4000 miles on it and am getting 17 MPG on open road and around 12 MPG
>in town. I am pleased as the vehicle weighs in at 9100 lbs.
>
>I too am getting that "old ashtray with a hint of mildew" smell when I
first
>start the heater. If I turn it way up it goes away quickly -- if I leave
it
>on low it lingers for quite a while. I don't smoke so it is not latent
>smoke smell.
>
>Greg Lewis
>Support Center
>880-3812
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:42:42 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

>Nathan,
>
> Think about it, they have to be ignorant to drive at night
>with only the DRL's. DRL's only power the High beams and
>not the instrument panel. How can these people see how fast
>they are going with no panel illumination? It sounds like
>these people would have caused accidents even without
>DRL's. DRL's are a good thing, up there with seat belts.
>Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
>of headlights when you turn on the wipers.
>
>Regards
>
>Jean Marc Chartier

I've seen more than one person driving down the expressway
( slightly lighted ) with their headlights off.



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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:42:22 -0500
From: "Larry Hackler"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

New Jersey also require the headlights to be on when you are using your
wipers.

Larry
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jean Marc Chartier
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring



>Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
>of headlights when you turn on the wipers.
>


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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:02:08 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

Does anybody know what the dealer might charge for the DRL relay and how
much he might charge for the installation?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hackler
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring


>New Jersey also require the headlights to be on when you are using your
>wipers.
>
>Larry
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jean Marc Chartier
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 2:51 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
>
>
>
>>Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
>>of headlights when you turn on the wipers.
>>
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:24:50 -0700
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: FTE 97up - re: decreasing mileage

>My last tank was 10.9 MPG and my
>driving habits haven't changed. It only has 1800 miles >on it now and if
>the current rate of decline continues I will be getting >under 10 MPG in
>a month or two.
Do you live in an area that uses oxygenated fuel in the winter. I know my
mileage decreases significantly in the winter with oxy fuel. I got about 14
mpg last summer with my 5.4 4X4. This winter, I'm getting around 11 or 12.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:04:02 -0500
From: Larry Hackler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

I paid $54 for the DRL kit from ford and paid $163 to have them installed.
Seemed high, but they claimed that the instructions were wrong and it took
them a long time to find the correct wires to use because something was
different (don't remember what). They actually seem rather easy to put in a
couple of wares and fasten the controller somewhere. If anybody on the list
has any interest I can try to find the wire color codes on my '99 F150. I
just did not have the time or I would have attempted it myself.

Larry

"Jose Pomposo Jr." wrote:

> Does anybody know what the dealer might charge for the DRL relay and how
> much he might charge for the installation?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Hackler
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
>
> >New Jersey also require the headlights to be on when you are using your
> >wipers.
> >
> >Larry
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jean Marc Chartier
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 2:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
> >
> >
> >
> >>Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
> >>of headlights when you turn on the wipers.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:16:12 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Several Issues

Jose Pomposo Jr. wrote:
>
> That is exactly what was happening with mine. If it was on Heat mode the
> smell was not present, but when I would set it on Cool that smell would be
> too much so I would just open a window.

Hi Jose:

I have been driving Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable for seven
years as my company has a rent/lease program and they were all
new up to 1998 and the mildew smell was present at times with
all of them especially when starting up in the morning on hot
summer days after having used the air conditioning the day before.

Likely like a lot of people I just dismissed it as being left over
condensation from the air conditioning system somehow and lived
with it like a dummy.

I believe we have a real issue here though as my Wife mentioned
this morning that our 99 Mazda B2500 with less than 1000 miles
on it had a faint odor about it when she started it up and turned
the heater on.

Michael
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:23:50 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - re: decreasing mileage

We have cold winters up here in Montana, and I know the cold definitely
decreases my fuel economy and always has even in other vehicles!! Not sure
why, but it just does.

- --Brandt (99 SD V-10)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Kindler
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 5:33 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - re: decreasing mileage


>>My last tank was 10.9 MPG and my
>>driving habits haven't changed. It only has 1800 miles >on it now and if
>>the current rate of decline continues I will be getting >under 10 MPG in
>>a month or two.
>Do you live in an area that uses oxygenated fuel in the winter. I know my
>mileage decreases significantly in the winter with oxy fuel. I got about 14
>mpg last summer with my 5.4 4X4. This winter, I'm getting around 11 or 12.
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:32:02 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

I ran into the same problem with the wiring for DLR's on a 96 Ranger that I
own. The colored wires indicated in the instructions could not be found in
the wiring looms. It was ordered from Ford and is made for multiple Ford
applications. I don't want DLR's enough to pay the installation costs. If
anyone wants it let me know. Pay the freight and it is yours.
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***

I paid $54 for the DRL kit from ford and paid $163 to have them installed.
Seemed high, but they claimed that the instructions were wrong and it took
them a long time to find the correct wires to use because something was
different (don't remember what). They actually seem rather easy to put in a
couple of wares and fasten the controller somewhere. If anybody on the list
has any interest I can try to find the wire color codes on my '99 F150. I
just did not have the time or I would have attempted it myself.

Larry

"Jose Pomposo Jr." wrote:

> Does anybody know what the dealer might charge for the DRL relay and how
> much he might charge for the installation?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Hackler
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
>
> >New Jersey also require the headlights to be on when you are using your
> >wipers.
> >
> >Larry
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jean Marc Chartier
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 2:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
> >
> >
> >
> >>Some of your States ( I believe NY is one) mandate the use
> >>of headlights when you turn on the wipers.

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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:10:57 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

> There is a service bulletin on lowering the rear end of the '99 SD's. It
> involves replacing the spacers, u-bolts, brake lines and shocks. It is a
> warranty item and will be done by the dealer at no cost to you. It lowers
> the truck about 4 inches at the tailgate.

The article I read about this procedure (Trailer Life magazine) said it was a
customer expense item even though Ford had issued a TSB defining the factory-approved
method for lowering. It substitutes the 4X2 blocks for the 4X4 and lowers the rear
4-5 inches. IMHO, following the Ford approved procedure is a must in case there is
any unexpected problem (such as drive train alignment) resulting from it.
- --
Gary Brinck
in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 03:04:49 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

In a message dated 99-01-06 21:22:44 EST, you write:

always nice to have somebody in Ocala natioanl forest, i have camped many
times around there.

RS
99 F 250 PSD/SC/4x4

The article I read about this procedure (Trailer Life magazine) said it was a
customer expense item even though Ford had issued a TSB defining the factory-
approved
method for lowering. It substitutes the 4X2 blocks for the 4X4 and lowers the
rear
4-5 inches. IMHO, following the Ford approved procedure is a must in case
there is
any unexpected problem (such as drive train alignment) resulting from it.
--
Gary Brinck
in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
>>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 05:05:44 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Lowering SD 4X4

You know I had one service manager tell me it was for dual wheel only?....

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