97up-list-digest Sunday, January 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 019



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Reasonable Price?
FTE 97up - Lowered SD 250!
Re: FTE 97up - Flowmaster on F-150?
Re: FTE 97up - Reasonable Price?
FTE 97up - Re: '99SD GVWR 250 vs 350
FTE 97up - Unscheduled Clean??
Re: FTE 97up - Using Synthetic Oil
FTE 97up - PSD filter drain

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:58:00 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Reasonable Price?

Hey guys my truck listed for $33.4 I got it for $27.5 !
I am also Aplan which seems to help.

Todd E. wrote:

> $500 over invoice is definitely reasonable. I bought mine at invoice, yes I
> found them on the internet, and I spent $400 flying to Ohio to pick my truck
> up. I still saved $700 over the lowest price I could get from the dirt bags
> in New Jersey, not to mention I got to stop over at a good friends house on
> the trip home. Your deal is not bad at all, and I believe the person who
> commented on the price did not take everything into consideration.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bud Feuless & Miki Magara
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 8:10 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Reasonable Price?
>
> >Hmmm... that's interesting...
> >
> >The price I was quoted was $500 over dealer cost + FDAF + TT&L, verified by
> >. I know the holdback on these trucks is pretty significant,
> >and I'd probably haggle more if I was talking to a salesguy on the floor,
> >but I figure the compromise of dealing with the fleet guy (with whom I want
> >to keep a good relationship) is that I don't have to haggle to get a fair
> >price. Not spectacular, but fair. What does everyone else think? Is that
> >just too much to pay or is it reasonable? If you recall, from my earlier
> >"Opportunity" note, I was going to pay around $35K, including TT&L out the
> >door for a 250SD SC 4x4,auto,PSD,Lariat,608A PEP, LT265 OWL,3.73 ltd
> >slip,ESOF,sliding rear w/priv.,spare,power tt mirrors,off road,
> >cass/CD,4wABS,chrome bumper, class 4 hitch, camper and t/t packages, + 11
> >gallons of diesel.
> >
> >I'd be interested to hear what others think is really reasonable to expect
> >to pay... and don't just say "I know a place on the Internet that sells for
> >$1 over dealer cost," because they all inflate their cost over what you
> will
> >find in the book or in or edmunds. Thanks for your
> >feedback...
> >
> >Regards, Bud
> >
> >>You got to be yanking my chain i would only pay around 32-33k for that, my
> >>sticker was 34,5 and i sqeezed him down to 32 125, i think he sweat couple
> >>gallons, but hey im hear to pay what i want, but i will have to give the
> >guy
> >>credit he was very nice to deal with and never tried to give me any of the
> >>other BS that i have gotten before at some of the other big town dealers,
> >I
> >>told him i know what your cost is plus you get a dlr. hold back on top of
> >that
> >>so heres the deal i will let you make a few dollars .....but not many.
> >Just
> >>for you guys reference it was Blountstown Ford ( panhandle FL area), very
> >>small dealer, it was the only F 250 they had.
> >>
> >>Ross Smith
> >>9sec93cobra
> >>99 F250 PSD/SC/4x4
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:15:40 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - Lowered SD 250!

Got my truck back from the dealer thursday nite!
They done a nice job lowering it !
I am very pleased, it looks much better sitting level,
it drives better and rides better!
Now I am going to get larger tires.
I am going to go with a 33.5 tire it has 31.5 on it now.
This should fill up the empty wheel space real nice.
Gene

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:41:06 -0500
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Flowmaster on F-150?

>Hey,
>
> Well, I just got my truck two days ago. I am loving it.
>
>>the power the 5.4 V8 puts out, took it out on the freeway tonight, it
>puts out to 100MPH with no problem at ALL, and I had pleanty of pedal
>left at that point.
>


Bill this is a most extraordinary break-in method. Are you going to use
synthetic or regular oil?

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:18:55 PST
From: "Dave Burdick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Reasonable Price?

>From a Dealer point of view We are here to make money 500 is a fair
price over invoice. If you go to sears to buy something there is no
haggling there and the have a mark up of anywhere from 21% to 35% please
take that into consideration when you make a purchase.

Fred Lovell
Burdick Ford
Central Square NY
315-668-7102
burdickford hotmail.com

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>$500 over invoice is definitely reasonable. I bought mine at invoice,
yes I
>found them on the internet, and I spent $400 flying to Ohio to pick my
truck
>up. I still saved $700 over the lowest price I could get from the dirt
bags
>in New Jersey, not to mention I got to stop over at a good friends
house on
>the trip home. Your deal is not bad at all, and I believe the person
who
>commented on the price did not take everything into consideration.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bud Feuless & Miki Magara
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 8:10 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Reasonable Price?
>
>
>>Hmmm... that's interesting...
>>
>>The price I was quoted was $500 over dealer cost + FDAF + TT&L,
verified by
>>. I know the holdback on these trucks is pretty
significant,
>>and I'd probably haggle more if I was talking to a salesguy on the
floor,
>>but I figure the compromise of dealing with the fleet guy (with whom I
want
>>to keep a good relationship) is that I don't have to haggle to get a
fair
>>price. Not spectacular, but fair. What does everyone else think? Is
that
>>just too much to pay or is it reasonable? If you recall, from my
earlier
>>"Opportunity" note, I was going to pay around $35K, including TT&L out
the
>>door for a 250SD SC 4x4,auto,PSD,Lariat,608A PEP, LT265 OWL,3.73 ltd
>>slip,ESOF,sliding rear w/priv.,spare,power tt mirrors,off road,
>>cass/CD,4wABS,chrome bumper, class 4 hitch, camper and t/t packages, +
11
>>gallons of diesel.
>>
>>I'd be interested to hear what others think is really reasonable to
expect
>>to pay... and don't just say "I know a place on the Internet that
sells for
>>$1 over dealer cost," because they all inflate their cost over what
you
>will
>>find in the book or in or edmunds. Thanks for your
>>feedback...
>>
>>Regards, Bud
>>
>>>You got to be yanking my chain i would only pay around 32-33k for
that, my
>>>sticker was 34,5 and i sqeezed him down to 32 125, i think he sweat
couple
>>>gallons, but hey im hear to pay what i want, but i will have to give
the
>>guy
>>>credit he was very nice to deal with and never tried to give me any
of the
>>>other BS that i have gotten before at some of the other big town
dealers,
>>I
>>>told him i know what your cost is plus you get a dlr. hold back on
top of
>>that
>>>so heres the deal i will let you make a few dollars .....but not
many.
>>Just
>>>for you guys reference it was Blountstown Ford ( panhandle FL area),
very
>>>small dealer, it was the only F 250 they had.
>>>
>>>Ross Smith
>>>9sec93cobra
>>>99 F250 PSD/SC/4x4
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:20:23 -0700
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: '99SD GVWR 250 vs 350

Based on the responses so far (Thanks!) I am beginning to think that
Disney's 2nd Law - "Wishing will make it so" may be valid in this case in
that the advertised GVWR is selected for MARKETING reasons. If you rate
the 250 the same as the 350 (SRW) then who will pay extra for the 350?
Page 41 of the "Ford f-series ninetynine",section titled "Super Duty
F-Series Features and Options Cont." lists the same "specs" for the 250
and 350SRW.

The reason I am interested in all of this, is that I want to determine
the acceptable tongue weight for my 250 - which is only about 1400# after
subtracting the "wet" weight of the truck, cargo and hitch.

Norm

Norm Brown wrote:

> The GVWR for a 250 SD is listed at 8800# and a 350 SD (with SRW) is
> 9900#.
> It appears (unless I missed something in the brochure), that each has
> the same brake system and axle ratings.
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:27:10 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - Unscheduled Clean??

Nathan,
My dealer has told me that my 99 psd is listed as Unscheduled Clean, but it
been that way for more than 30 days [11/10/98], here what I've ordered, would
like to know if anything on there may be holding it up.

99 PSD 350 4X4 crew cab 172" [w31], white, 40/20/40 bench Demin, 617a XLT,21m
manual hubs, XD1 3.73 limited slip, carpet delete 166, cab steps 18L, sliding R
window 433, spare 512, pwr TT mirrors 54y, off road 55r, CD radio 58k, PTO
trans 62r, 4 whl abs 67B, trailer Hitch 86R, Pwr Seat 90P, Privacy Glass 924,
Keyless Entry 948, Aux IDle 961, Trailer tow 531, camper 532,

Anxious

//ck
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:36:56 EST
From: Ford4x4 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Using Synthetic Oil

Also check out

cat/m10a4e2.htm">Using Synthetic Oil (Demo)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.virtualsoftware.com/intellipro/happycar/Demo/Maestro/Lubricat/m10a4
e2.htm

Stewart
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:28:52 -0600
From: "Dan Prescher"
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD filter drain

Anybody have suggested size/dimensions for a hose to stick on the end of the
PSD fuel filter/water separator drain pipe so you can keep the stuff from....


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