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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re:No overdrive
FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires
Re: FTE 97up - 1997 up
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold
FTE 97up - Fw: Synthetic oil
FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?
Re: FTE 97up - SD 3.73 Ltd Slip (was SD ESOF and Ltd Slip (was...))
Re: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package
FTE 97up - F-250 SD w/Camper Package
FTE 97up - Oil Changes - Slick 50
FTE 97up - RE: Dick's limited slip differential not working
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Dick's limited slip differential not working
Re: FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions
FTE 97up - Re: 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires
Re: FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth
FTE 97up - Opportunity
FTE 97up - Flowmaster on F-150?
FTE 97up - Another post!
FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE's 2nd anniversary
Re: FTE 97up - Opportunity

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:10:37 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:No overdrive

> Next question: Has anyone else noticed that their 4R100 tranny won't go
> into overdrive for the first couple of miles after sitting all night in
> the cold? Is there a reason for this?


The locking torque converter does not lock up until both engine & trans
reach warm tempeture. It is this way on all auto trans cars I have
owned since 87. Are you sure that it is still in 3rd & not unlocked
4th?
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:04:44 -0500
From: Rick
Subject: FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions

I'm interested in ordering a '99 E-350 van that's converted to
4 WD.

I believe that one way of getting a vehicle like that is to
use what's called a 'pass through' dealer...who actually does
the conversion and then delivers the vehicle to you.

Has anyone on the list had any experience with something like
this?

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:33:53 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires

Karl,

Goodyear's website http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.goodyear.com/nat/pclt_cat/truck.html
has tire sizes and specifications that include "load".

Can't help Norm with General's though.

Charles

Karl Nyhus wrote:

> Norm Brown wrote:
> > Anyone have information on the tires that came with my '99 SD PSD CC
> > General Tires 235/85/R16 "E" GRABBER AW
>
> Good luck finding this information ...for General
> and Goodyear tires

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:37:20 -0500
From: "John Luft"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1997 up

>> max wrote

>I ordered my 250 SD PSD CC SB Lariet (with every option except the 4
>x4)on Dec. 21. I got my "build" date on Friday being the Feb. 1, w/
>delivery Feb. 25. The PSD's g*t built faster than the v-10 because the
>V-10 is back ordered several months with 5.4 and PSD beinging readily
>avail. The dealer said he has 3 other v-10's on order with no build date
>as of yet and they were ordered 2 months before mine. My friend ordered
>a 250 v-10 and it took hime 7 months, which just madness. Can't wait to
>get mine...

>Max


What options were ordered on the F250 with a v-10 that's been on order for
7 months? I ordered my F-250 4x4 XLT SD CC SB 3.73(w/o ls) v-10 (auto)
around the 16th of December, the order was pulled the week after Christmas
and I'm picking the truck up tonight! When I ordered the truck, they told
me middle to end of February. Needless to say it was quite a pleasant
suprise. Maybe I got lucky and my dealer here in South Central PA has a
great allotment or just doesn't sell a lot of trucks.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:40:17 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold

That's part of the computer programming. Its been discovered that by
holding drive (and other gears) longer to speed up warm-up times. It will
increase overall mileage. Trucks have been this way for several years and
there is nothing wrong it's working normally.

Nathan

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From: RICK KANE
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:21 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold


>First, I want to thank everyone for the answers concerning the first oil
>change. I will be going to synthetic on my third oil change, at around
>6000 miles.
>Next question: Has anyone else noticed that their 4R100 tranny won't go
>into overdrive for the first couple of miles after sitting all night in
>the cold? Is there a reason for this?
>
>Thank you,
>Rick Kane
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:42:14 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: Synthetic oil

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To: unionaut adiis.net
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:54 PM
Subject: Synthetic oil


E296

I've had some customers ask about using synthetic oil. Is
there a break in time that should be used before switching to
synthetic oil? Does Ford have any other requirements or suggestions
on synthetic oil? -- Nathan Bernard, Union Auto, Inc. e-mail:
unionaut. adiis.net

Nathan,

According to Ford Truck Engineering, synthetic oils are OK so long as
the owner follows both the weight recommendations and the oil
company's change intervals. The owner could switch to a synthetic oil
at the first scheduled oil change, say the engineers.

Ford Truck Engineering does not make any improved mileage claims or
engine longevity claims for synthetic oils. They also say that there
should be no warranty problems, given the owner follows the oil
company's change intervals.

Thanks for your questions; keep them coming! Good Selling!


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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:54:07 -0600
From: Philip Crooke
Subject: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil

Having seen much discussion about synethic and conventional oils, the
following URL contains considerable technical data concerning viscosity,
stabiltiy, and wear. For example, the coefficient of friction for unused
(new and named) between synethic (5W-30) and conventional (20W-50) is about
the same. Looking at the other graphs, there are differences between
conventional oil and different brands of synthetic. I guess that everyone
can make what they want of it.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.redlineoil.com/engoilti.htm

- --PC


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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:53:29 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?

He's right about the automatics. The easiest SD to get scheduled is a PSD
6 speed.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Todd Styles
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:30 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?


>
> I have the opportunity to buy a '99 F250SD SuperCab short bed 2
>wheel drive XLT with the PSD and 6 speed. It's quite loaded with the
towing
>package and 3.73 limited slip, power seat, CD, keyless entry and more.
It's
>new on a dealer's lot and they want $27K (MSRP is $30.4) How does this
>relate to what most people are paying? I went in looking at a new F150 and
>this caught my eye. Dealer says that everybody is wanting an automatic.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:39:48 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth

Todd Wozniak wrote:
>
> I recently had a muffler replaced on my current truck so that I could hear
> the radio or talk to others in the cab. I regretted having to do so but
> who knows when the SD will come in. I ordered a Lariat. Stop laughing!!!
>
> So I was talking to the Jim the muffler guy, I asked him if he can do any
> cat back type sytems or do a duel pipe system. He said that would be no
> problem, he even could do 3 inch pipe as well. So then I asked if I would
> see the increase in power as stated by many who choose or sell this option.
> He laughed and said that the power would not rise any significant figure.
> Jim said the power claims are inflated and the only benefit is the look of
> the new pipes and the new sound, if you like that sort of thing.
>
> I ran off names like Borla and K & H. He said that you are paying a lot of
> money for shiney pipes.
>
> He also said that with the way the computerized controls work these days
> you need the back pressure created by factory exhaust to make the engine
> work as it should. This of course would be different in a custom motor or
> hot rod.
>
> I appreciated his honesty. I was ready to have my new exhaust system torn
> off as soon as I could.
>
> What do you people think? Do any "experts" have any feedback? How about
> current owners of cat back systems? Was it worth the money?
>
> I appreciate your info!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd Wozniak
> Chicago
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Todd,

Just a few questions. Is Jim your muffler guy a mechanic,
or just a pipe fitter? Has he done any dyno tests on the
systems that he says are only shiny pipes? I have a vested
interest in the Borla that I installed on my 97 F-150, I
don't want to look like a fool for getting it.
Having said this one of the truck mags did a dyno test a
few years ago of a Cat back system (Borla) on a 97 F-150 and
they saw an increase of 10 hp at the rear wheels. Borla has
a 1 million mile warranty on their system. They have
replaced mine once, no questions asked. The inlet pipe had
split and it started to leak. Ask your muffler man about
his warranty. Yes I did pay a lot of money for a shiny
pipe, but after 2 yrs it is still shiny.
Others have used Gibson with similar results and also
custom fab pipes with a dynomax muffler. What it boils down
to is that you want to relieve some of the excess back
pressure in the Factory system. Just how much to relieve,
well that is where the testing comes in, Borla, Gibson and
all the big guys they test, I think your guy Jim just
guesses.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:38:35 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?

In a message dated 99-01-21 09:15:18 EST, you write:


He's right about the automatics. The easiest SD to get scheduled is a PSD
6 speed.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
>>
no kidding i found so many i could shake a stick at in AL and NC that were 6
spd and most all CC. Needless to say i had to hunt pretty hard to find a non
stripper w/ sc and auto.

RS
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:49:23 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 3.73 Ltd Slip (was SD ESOF and Ltd Slip (was...))

Dick Dorff wrote:
>
> Charles asked:
>
> > > On the limited-slip in two wheel drive, when the right rear drive
> > > wheel began to spin (or vice-a-versa), power transferred to the
> > > other wheel and kept the truck going in the snow? If your get a
> > > chance to test it on ice, let me know how it behaves.
>
> Dick responded:
>
> > Sunday, backing into my mother's driveway, in 2WD, with one rear
> > wheel on a low snowbank (
> > driveway, the wheel on ice spun, and the other never took over.
> > Needed 4WD to go backward, although I'm not sure if I tried forward
> > in 2WD before bailing out. I'm now confused. Does the Ltd Slip not
> > work in reverse, or not work well, or did I not actually get it on
> > the truck? The 3.73 LS was on the window sticker. Anyone know now
> > to verify if it's actually there? I don't think I saw it on the
> > door jamb sticker, but I've only taken a quick peek at that once.
> > (Truck's at home, I'm at work).
>
> Dick now follows up with:
Snip
> My guess is it does have the Ltd Slip, but I don't know why it didn't
> help in this instance. I'll try to test some more.
>
> -Dick Dorff
> 99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4(manual) V10 Auto 3.73ls TT Hitch PrivGlass
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Dick,

I have a 97 F-150 4x4 3.55 LSD. The LSD is just that a
limited slip, in extreme conditions only one wheel will
turn. One wheel in gravel and one wheel on pavement and
mash the go pedal and guess which wheel spins. Try a slight
application of the breaks and both wheels should turn. If
you can jack up your truck's rear, spin one wheel, if they
both turn in the same direction you have LSD if they spin in
opposite directions you have an open axle. My shop manual
has a section on the LSD and tests for verifying its
function, if you wish e-mail me off list and i will sent it
to you.

Regards

Jean marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:51:07 -0000
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?

It sounds like your in the ballpark. I went through
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.forddirect.com as a resource for dealer quotes.
Good Luck.

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From: Todd Styles
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 5:26 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?


>
> I have the opportunity to buy a '99 F250SD SuperCab short bed 2
>wheel drive XLT with the PSD and 6 speed. It's quite loaded with the
towing
>package and 3.73 limited slip, power seat, CD, keyless entry and more.
It's
>new on a dealer's lot and they want $27K (MSRP is $30.4) How does this
>relate to what most people are paying? I went in looking at a new F150 and
>this caught my eye. Dealer says that everybody is wanting an automatic.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:33:09 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:06 PST, you wrote:

:Maybe it is just an old wive's tale, But I have heard from numerous=20
:sources that it is not a good idea to switch to synthetic oil until the=20
:rings have seated....BECAUSE the lubricity of synthetic oil is so good=20
:that the rings will never seat....

Well, I don't know, but it sounds like one of those old wives
tales. And, of course, that's what happens with one of those
tales, people retell and retell and it just becomes a fact in
many people's minds -- only because they hear it everywhere, not
because there is any truth to it.
:
:Your money, your truck....Do what you want.
:
:I have a 1991 toyota Camry that my wife drives, I have changed the oil=20
:WHENEVER it needed to have a quart added, and at 187,000 miles, it is=20
:time to change it again...But I have never used synthetic oil in it.
:
:My 96 F150 got a quart of slick 50 at the first change, and it quieted=20
:down immensely now, at 50,000 miles it is time to add it again.
:
:When the new truck comes, I will listen to the piston slap, look at the=20
:mickey mouse gauges, and do whatever.

Those gauges might not tell you as much as you thing! The oil
pressure gauge on my truck doesn't tell me anything much in spite
of the fact that it has a "real" pointer and everything. It is
fed by a two-state sensor which is ON if the oil pressure is over
6 lbs, and OFF if the pressure is under. When the gauge is
getting "ON" from the sensor, it points to the middle of the
range. When it gets an "OFF" it slowly sinks down to the bottom
of the range.

And I kinda suspect the "voltmeter" is an idiot gauge like that,
too.
:
:But I promise, I will drive it hard, and put it away wet.
:
:Frank
:

BTW, I don't use synthetic oil, either, but I would never spend
money on an additive like Slick 50!

To each his own....

Alan
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:15:05 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package

Matt,

Like you, a lot of people are reporting the over 7,000 lbs weight of a new SuperDuty.

I have an F-350 on order with the camper package. Ford has a brochure "1999 RV & Trailer Towing Guide" that lists the Cargo Weight Ratings(CWR) for slide in camper use. The camper package is not going to increase the overall GVWR but it does list the CWR for a gas F-250 SD SC 4x2 at 3,018 lbs. This rating also assumes a 150 lb passenger in each seating position.

With the camper package, Ford should be putting a CWR sheet in your glove box that specifies it for your truck. It will also indicate the Center of Gravity data that your camper should meet.

I would also get the Axle Weight Ratings for your truck and weigh each end when fully loaded to make sure you are not overloading either end. (don't forget the tongue weight from your trailer) While you are there, check the weight rating on your tires too. Blowouts when fully loaded with a camper and tow vehicle are not fun!

George

At 01/20/1999 06:59 PM, you wrote:
>I am the proud owner of a new F-250 SD SC V-10. I ordered the truck with the
>camper package which comes with the overload spring on the rear and
>stabilizer bars front and rear. Can anyone give me any info on how much this
>option increases the payload if any. The thing that concerns me is the
>weight of the truck, with my family and I in the truck (two small kids and
>two small adults) the truck weighs a wopping 7050lbs. With an 8800 gvw that
>doesn't leave but 1750 for my camper. Last year I carried my camper
>(2500lbs) and pulled my boat 2450lbs with an old 3/4 Chev. It did fine other
>than the lack of power but it only weight in at 5800 with the family in it.
>Any input would be appreciated.
>
>Mattb
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:46:39 -0800
From: Joe Zuk
Subject: FTE 97up - F-250 SD w/Camper Package

Hi Matt,
Welcome to the world of overloaded trucks. When I ordered the camper
package the sales man said that it would not incress the GVW of the
truck. The GVW will alway be 8800lbs (for a F250SD). But it will make
the truck handle better when carry the extra weight of the camper. When
you got the truck you should have also gotten a computer print out from
Ford. This will list what Ford says the truck can safely carry, it also
lists the center of gravity location. Since I don't know what options
you have I can't say what this weight will be, but it will be around
1500lbs. This number assumes that you have 6 people in the truck (for a
super cab) and each weigths 150lbs. That is 900lbs for the people, so if
you only have 600lbs of people you can add 300lbs to the payload. From
Fords stand point this is all the truck can carry. By the way if you add
a trailer you need to reduce your payload by the hitch weight and tung
weight. Also don't go over the CGVW.

I also taked to a Lance dealer, his take on this was that Ford
underesitmes the payload. His take was that if you take the axle loading
weights, this truck should take something like 11,000lbs. I think the
front axle is rated at 5000lbs and the rear 6000lbs. So if you use his
method (11000(axle rating)-7050(truck weight)) you can carry 3950lbs. He
also said that you have to use airbags to get more weight on the front
axle. To me this sounds like your are still overloading the turck and
asking for problems. Maybe you can talk to where you bought the camper
and see what they say.

Are you sure that old Chev. only weighted 5800lbs? Maybe you had that
thing overloaded and didn't know it? Anyway I am in the same boat you
are in, I am going to buy a new camper that weights in around 1200lbs. I
want to be safe and under the GVW. Maybe you can reduce the weight of
your truck, do you need the rear bumper (this there one built into the
camper?). The camper weight of 2500lbs does that include water, maybe
you can fill up at your camp site. Could you sift some of your weight
from the camper to the boat, just remember not to go over the CGVW.

Good luck,
Joe
> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:59:35 -0800
> From: "Matt Bailey"
> Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package
>
> I am the proud owner of a new F-250 SD SC V-10. I ordered the truck with the
> camper package which comes with the overload spring on the rear and
> stabilizer bars front and rear. Can anyone give me any info on how much this
> option increases the payload if any. The thing that concerns me is the
> weight of the truck, with my family and I in the truck (two small kids and
> two small adults) the truck weighs a wopping 7050lbs. With an 8800 gvw that
> doesn't leave but 1750 for my camper. Last year I carried my camper
> (2500lbs) and pulled my boat 2450lbs with an old 3/4 Chev. It did fine other
> than the lack of power but it only weight in at 5800 with the family in it.
> Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Mattb
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:45:59 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Changes - Slick 50

A scientific study I once read - not the product manufacturer's claims,
concluded that teflon is the worst thing to put in an engine. Tests found
that teflon actually impeded the flow of oil in the engine much in the same
way that cholesterol can clogs the small arteries of your body. The engines
also ran hotter! Reason being this stuff doesn't stay suspended in the oil
but settles and collects in all the wrong places in your engine.

And once the damage is done there's no getting this stuff out of the engine.

One of the questions that should be asked when buying a used vehicle is
did the past owner add any oil additives that were telfon based.

Charles.


alannorthstar mindspring.com wrote:

> :My 96 F150 got a quart of slick 50 at the first change, and it quieted
> :down immensely now, at 50,000 miles it is time to add it again.
> :
> :Frank
> :
>
> I would never spend
> money on an additive like Slick 50!
>
> To each his own....
>
> Alan
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:24:18 -0800
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Dick's limited slip differential not working


Hi Dick,

I read with interest your comments about your LS differential spinning
one rear wheel and not even turning the other wheel. I bought a '97
F350 CC 4x4 5sp 460, 3.55LS last April (brand new left over). I had
several occasions to use the limited slip. On one occasion I was
going up a really STEEP road with mud and ruts and water flowing
through the ruts, and I happened to have my mechanic (not a ford
mechanic) with me. At the point where we were stuck for about an hour
using a "come along" and digging trenches for the tires, etc, my
mechanic, Jerry, says "hey, if your LS differential would just work,
we'd be out of here in 5 minutes!".

So, I took the truck to Jerry's shop, where he put it up on a lift and
he and one of his helpers played around with the truck and somehow
determined that the LS was probably defective.

I then took the truck to the Ford dealer and had them look it over.
They claimed that they took off the access plate and inspected the LS,
everything turned out to be normal, they test drove the truck and
decided that the LS was operating normally.

That was all about last May, a couple of times since then, I have
observed that the LS is still not working. Just like you, one wheel
turns, the other doesn't move and the truck doesn't go until I put it
into 4 wheel drive.

What do we do? I'd sure like to know the exact specification of how
much force should be generated in the stationary wheel when the other
one is spinning freely!

Any ideas how we can get this information?

- Stephen Witte

Poway CA
97 F350 4x4 CC 460 5sp 3.55LS

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:07:04 -0600
From: "Christopher T. Patrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Dick's limited slip differential not working

At 11:24 AM 1/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
> Hi Dick,
>
> I read with interest your comments about your LS differential spinning
> one rear wheel and not even turning the other wheel. I bought a '97
> F350 CC 4x4 5sp 460, 3.55LS last April (brand new left over). I had
> several occasions to use the limited slip. On one occasion I was
> going up a really STEEP road with mud and ruts and water flowing
> through the ruts, and I happened to have my mechanic (not a ford
> mechanic) with me. At the point where we were stuck for about an hour
> using a "come along" and digging trenches for the tires, etc, my
> mechanic, Jerry, says "hey, if your LS differential would just work,
> we'd be out of here in 5 minutes!".

took delivery wednesday of my '98 F150 4x2 (3.55 LS 17" rims). given the
crappy weather, and the nature of my 4x2, and 275/60-17 tires, ive had
plenty of opportunity to "test" the limited slip axle.... it works
perfectly, on my 7 day old truck. is this an item i should keep an eye on?
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:54:00 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions

There is a company in Pennsylvania that only converts 2WD vans to 4WD. I
cannot think of the name of the company now, but I do know they are one of
the few authorized by the major auto makers, and you keep your warranty!
Look through some van and/or 4-WD magazines and you will no doubt see an add
for them.


Keith



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From: Rick
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 8:00 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions


>I'm interested in ordering a '99 E-350 van that's converted to
>4 WD.
>
>I believe that one way of getting a vehicle like that is to
>use what's called a 'pass through' dealer...who actually does
>the conversion and then delivers the vehicle to you.
>
>Has anyone on the list had any experience with something like
>this?
>
>Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:15:23 -0800
From: "Harald"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package

Matt wrote:
I am the proud owner of a new F-250 SD SC V-10. The thing that concerns me
is the
weight of the truck, with my family and I in the truck (two small kids and
two small adults) the truck weighs a wopping 7050lbs. With an 8800 gvw that
doesn't leave but 1750 for my camper. Last year I carried my camper
(2500lbs)...

Hi Matt,

I can tell you that I found out the same thing with my 99 F350,V10,4.30,SC,
SRW,camper package. My camper weighs roughly 1000lbs more than yours when
all tanks and gear are fully loaded. The GVWR on my truck is 9900 and it
handles the weight just fine, even though it's technically overloaded. The
truck sits level, braking effort isn't excessive, no dangerous rolling
around corners and I can drive over mountain passes in Washington state at
the speed limit. Time will tell how much extra wear on the truck this
weight will cause. I only have the camper on the truck on average one
weekend a month.

Harald

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:07:15 -0600
From: Karl Nyhus
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires

Charles Abraham wrote:
> Goodyear's website http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.goodyear.com/nat/pclt_cat/truck.html
> has tire sizes and specifications that include "load".

It only has max load and inflation for each tire.
You don't usually run tires at max load. For
example my load range D tires (max inflation at
65psi) only need 40 psi to support my half-ton
truck.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:01:30 -0800
From: Brian K Moberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 WD Van conversions

I'm interested in ordering a '99 E-350 van that's converted to4 WD.

Take a look at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.quigley4x4.com/
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:54:52 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth

Replacing the stock muffler with a high performance muffler/system will
definitely increase horsepower. It will be measurably better, but you may
not notice the difference in normal, everyday driving. A friend used to
know someone who sold aftermarket mufflers (Flowmaster, I think). He would
guarantee an increase in HP. They used a shop that has a dyno and measured
before HP, did a quick swap, and measured HP again. I forget the numbers
he said they saw, but there was always a gain.

If you get, say, a 15 HP increase, you won't notice it in normal driving
but it is there and will make a difference. It's most noticable in the mid
to high RPM ranges, not where most people drive. But if you ran a 1/4
mile, did the swap and ran another 1/4 mile, you will see a faster time.

Danny


>I recently had a muffler replaced on my current truck so that I could hear
>the radio or talk to others in the cab. I regretted having to do so but
>who knows when the SD will come in. I ordered a Lariat. Stop laughing!!!
>
>So I was talking to the Jim the muffler guy, I asked him if he can do any
>cat back type sytems or do a duel pipe system. He said that would be no
>problem, he even could do 3 inch pipe as well. So then I asked if I would
>see the increase in power as stated by many who choose or sell this option.
>He laughed and said that the power would not rise any significant figure.
>Jim said the power claims are inflated and the only benefit is the look of
>the new pipes and the new sound, if you like that sort of thing.
>
>I ran off names like Borla and K & H. He said that you are paying a lot of
>money for shiney pipes.
>
>He also said that with the way the computerized controls work these days
>you need the back pressure created by factory exhaust to make the engine
>work as it should. This of course would be different in a custom motor or
>hot rod.
>
>I appreciated his honesty. I was ready to have my new exhaust system torn
>off as soon as I could.
>
>What do you people think? Do any "experts" have any feedback? How about
>current owners of cat back systems? Was it worth the money?
>
>I appreciate your info!
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Todd Wozniak
>Chicago

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:16:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Opportunity

Forwarded for "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"

All;

Well, my F-250 SD is supposed to arrive next week at the dealership, but,
without going into too many details, my situation has changed dramatically
and I've had to c*ncel my order. I know some of you have been waiting
forever, so I wanted to let you know that this one is up for grabs. If you
are interested, call Mack McCormick at Mac Haik Ford at 713-932-5074 or FAX
713-932-5016. I hope if one of you gets it that you live in another state.
If I see this going down the road in Houston, you may wonder why there's a
grown man on the sidewalk bawling his eyes out... ! Here are the
particulars (pricing is dealer cost plus the indicated markup):

X21 F250 4x4 SC 142" Wheelbase
UD Black CC
8 LTHR 40/20/40 - Med Prairie Tan
608A Pref Equip Pkg - Lariat Trim - Cab Steps
555 Pass Side SRS
572 Air Conditioning
648 Prem Al Whls - 4
65M Mid-ship fuel
90P Driver Power Seat
948 Keyless Entry
99F 7.3L Turbo Dsl
44E Elec 4-Spd Auto
T46 LT265 OWL A-S
XC1 3.73 Ltd Slip
Camper/TT Credit
Cmp/TT/Sp Dsl
153 Frt Lic Bracket
201 8800# GVWR Pkg
213 Electronic SOF
433 Sliding RR Wdo
47Z Amb Pkg Not Req
512 Spare Tire/Whl
54Y Power TT Mirror
55R Off-Road Pkg
58K Prem Cass/CD
59R Aero Headlamps
67B 4Whl ABS
76B Chrome RR Bmpr
86R Trlr Hitch Rcvr
924 Privacy Glass
531 Trailer Tow Pkg
532 Camper Package

11 US Gal Gas 16.50
FDAF and Deliv 150.00
Dest and Deliv 640.00
Total Base & Options 33226.50
* Spcl Added Disc * (this is on the
608a package)
SubTotal 32189.50
Markup 500.00
Title 85.05
(set by the state)
Tax 2042.94
(ditto)
Documentation 50.00
License Fee 108.25 (state
again)
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Total $ 34993.24

VIN is 1FTNX21F6XED31095, production date 11 Jan 1999, expected delivery is
25 Jan 1999.

I hope one of you is smiling soon, that'll take a bit of the sting off of
it.

Regards, Bud



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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:11:07 -0500
From: Bill Sullivan
Subject: FTE 97up - Flowmaster on F-150?

Hey,

Well, I just got my truck two days ago. I am loving it. Heres
what I had special ordered:

99 F-150 SuperCab Flareside XLT
5.4Liter Trinton V8
Auto trany /w OD (only option available /w 5.4liter)
Limited Slip Diff /w 3.55 Ratio
4WD on the floor
Cab Steps
Dark Toredor Red Exterior
Prairy Tan interoir.

It handles VERY nicely. This is my first V8 and I am pretty shocked by
the power the 5.4 V8 puts out, took it out on the freeway tonight, it
puts out to 100MPH with no problem at ALL, and I had pleanty of pedal
left at that point.

What I was wondering is, well right now, I like the sound it puts
out, but I wanted to get a Flowmaster 2 chamber put on. Does anyone
know if this would void the warranty? I am alittle bit worried about
that. Also, I was wondering about how it will sound with that muffler
on it. Will it give it a much deeper/richer sound then the stock
muffler on there now? Also, how about performance wise? Any expected
HP increase or Fuel economy increase? It's still on it's first tank of
gass, and only has 50 miles on the odometer (Which is wierd, because
it's digital, but very nice I might add)

Also, how about other performance stuff I could get? What chips are
out now for the 99 F150's? Who makes them, and is there different ones
to consider, which have different performance increase specs? Would
they void the warranty also? Well, if anyone has any info on this, it
would help me alot. I really appreciate it. Trying not to spend much
money on it just yet, as my payment is $474 a month, heh. Thanks for
your help in advance, everyone!

- -Bill Sullivan

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:31:53 -0500
From: Bill Sullivan
Subject: FTE 97up - Another post!

Hey,

Sorry for the second post, but I just read what you guys were saying
about the cat backs and exhaust issues. Most of my experience has been
with headers on my previous trucks, and that was an absolute nightmare.
Not to mention, on my '99 F-150 5.4liter, which I have absolutely NO
clue how they packed all that power under that small hood (It's really
amazing how it's set up).

Anyway, how are the cat's set up? I'm not sure. Is it basically a
free-flow cat, some stainless steel pipes opened up to 3" and dump out
where it does now, in the back? The price doesn't sound bad, but what's
the best system to get if I were looking into a cat? I am not too
worried about a performance increase, but more about the sound
difference I'll get. I don't know if just putting on a 2-chamber
flowmaster muffler would do the trick and make me satisfied with the
sound I get back from it..

Also, another thing I've noticed, and I know it's quite normal, but
basically, I have just about NO grip on the rear end. If I pull off
from a light ot what have you, I can EASILY spin out! Again, it's
limited slip (Would that be posi rear?) so I don't know if this is
suppost to help or not? I'm thinking I just have to get some weight in
the bed. It's the FlareSide bed, so it's only about a 6' bed (not sure
the exact size on the bed, anyone else?). But, I also still have to get
a bed liner and tonnaeu cover for it as well. Really I'm just hoping
the spin-off's from a stop point will be less if I get more weight back
there. Does anyone know how much weight should be put in the bed for
better traction? I know tonight I could barely keep it from spinning
(it was raining), partialy that I guess, and partialy because I'm not
used to the power:) Thanks again for all of your help everyone in
advance! Don't mean to be a nag but this is pretty much my first
ford/first NEW truck. I'm only 21:)

- -Bill

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:39:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: FTE's 2nd anniversary

Hi gang,

Someone just sent me an email asking me about FTE's 2nd
anniversary. The earliest archived email I have is from
January 16, 1997 and its an email asking to be removed
from the list! I started the list two weeks prior to the
first archiving of email so that means our anniversary
is on January 2. With the t-shirts and web site updates
I simply forgot.

We are the oldest and longest running Ford truck list(s)
on the Internet and I wish to express my sincere thanks
to everyone here. Both long-time members and newcomers
are important to our community. As we continue to grow,
so does our ability to do great things - this Christmas
we were able to help a fellow list member in his time of
need after a house fire. Only the 61-79 list participated
and I hope that next year all the lists can get involved
in yearly tradition of banning together for a cause.

Once the club gets going, we'll have even more opportunity
to build friendships and help one another. Its been a
great 2 years; sometimes frustrating, but always rewarding.
I have made more friends in the past two years than in the
28 prior to them and I thank you all.

Sincerely yours,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
(PS - t-shirts get shipped tomorrow!)

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:48:13 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Opportunity

In a message dated 99-01-22 00:22:10 EST, you write:

You got to be yanking my chain i would only pay around 32-33k for that, my
sticker was 34,5 and i sqeezed him down to 32 125, i think he sweat couple
gallons, but hey im hear to pay what i want, but i will have to give the guy
credit he was very nice to deal with and never tried to give me any of the
other BS that i have gotten before at some of the other big town dealers, I
told him i know what your cost is plus you get a dlr. hold back on top of that
so heres the deal i will let you make a few dollars .....but not many. Just
for you guys reference it was Blountstown Ford ( panhandle FL area), very
small dealer, it was the only F 250 they had.

Ross Smith
9sec93cobra
99 F250 PSD/SC/4x4


All;

Well, my F-250 SD is supposed to arrive next week at the dealership, but,
without going into too many details, my situation has changed dramatically
and I've had to c*ncel my order. I know some of you have been waiting
forever, so I wanted to let you know that this one is up for grabs. If you
are interested, call Mack McCormick at Mac Haik Ford at 713-932-5074 or FAX
713-932-5016. I hope if one of you gets it that you live in another state.
If I see this going down the road in Houston, you may wonder why there's a
grown man on the sidewalk bawling his eyes out... ! Here are the
particulars (pricing is dealer cost plus the indicated markup):

X21 F250 4x4 SC 142" Wheelbase
UD Black CC
8 LTHR 40/20/40 - Med Prairie Tan
608A Pref Equip Pkg - Lariat Trim - Cab Steps
555 Pass Side SRS
572 Air Conditioning
648 Prem Al Whls - 4
65M Mid-ship fuel
90P Driver Power Seat
948 Keyless Entry
99F 7.3L Turbo Dsl
44E Elec 4-Spd Auto
T46 LT265 OWL A-S
XC1 3.73 Ltd Slip
Camper/TT Credit....


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