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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Delivery Times
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
FTE 97up - Clearence lights?
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show
Re: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?
FTE 97up - Jiffy Lube Fargo, ND ripoff
FTE 97up - '99 SD Weight
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Weight
FTE 97up - '99 SD tires
FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth
RE: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth
FTE 97up - SD 3.73 Ltd Slip (was SD ESOF and Ltd Slip (was...))
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires
Re: FTE 97up - SD 3.73 Ltd Slip (was SD ESOF and Ltd Slip (was...))
Re: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?
Re: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?
FTE 97up - PSD Chip
FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold
FTE 97up - 1997 up
Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires
FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold
FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:20:59 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Delivery Times

FYI - For Your Information. Often times this site has questions about =
delivery times so I thought I would share my experience. Ordered a 99 =
SD, Crew Cab, 4X4, PSD, 6Spd, XLT, Prefered Equip. Premium tires and =
wheels, Long box, SRW, Accent paint, Clearence lights, Limited slip, =
running boards, etc. on November 30, 1998. Manufacture date is Jan. 25, =
1999 with a ship date in early Feb. 1999. Actual delivery expected in =
mid to late Feb.
Dan - Wisconsin.
Ordered from a small local dealer in Clintonville WI. Second truck from =
this dealer. Both have been an excellent experience.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:23:00 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:28:36 EST, you wrote:

:I read on another site that some auto makers producing expensive cars,
:perform a brake in process on there engines, allowing them to sell them =
with
:synthetic oil in the oil pan. Normally synthetic or synthetic blend at =
break-
:in, is not recommended. New or rebuilt reciprocating aero engine are =
not to
:be babied, to insure the rings etc, seat correctly. I have read =
numerous
:service letters supporting this.
:Stuart =20

Well, this is one of those old wive's tales that just keeps going
around and around on the internet. Anyone can state any opinion
in a post, whether they really believe it, or not!

I'm not a scientist, nor an oil expert, but my general sense of
science, automotive engines, and the internet, tell me this is
*probably* just not true, but is an internet truism that just
keeps being repeated, regardless of whether or not there is any
truth to the thing!

I think that any good quality oil will work just fine during the
break-in period, synthetic, or otherwise.

Later,
Alan
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:50:55 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?

How do "clearance lights" work? I like their "look", but not quite sure
as to what function they are intended to perform. I can still add them to
my Super Duty since I have yet to receive a VIN on my 9/30/98 order.
But one thing that concerns me is: will they add to the overall height of
my truck (it's going to be close as is getting into my garage)?

Thanks,

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:04:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show

Fellow FTEs:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts plans to attend the 21st annual F100
Supernationals in Pigeon Forge, Tennesee this year. Don't
let the name fool you, this show features not only older
F100s but also new trucks too (last year was the first year
for new trucks). Over 800 Ford trucks were featured. This is
the largest Ford truck show in the country and its a blast.

Last year we had 30 list members attend the show. We have
more than twice as many list members this year and hope to
have 100 in attendance. If you're interested in going, send
an email to me (kpayne ford-trucks.com) and I'll add you to the
email list.

We're working on a group discount for the hotel and a
Saturday breakfast. We're hoping to have a pavillion at the
local park too. Peggy is getting in contact with the promoter
to get a booth.

We're going to have a bulleting board featuring several list
member trucks. This is a good way to show your truck if you
can drive it there. If you want your truck featured, whether
or not you attend the show, send a picture to:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Attn: PF Show Photo
PO Box 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

Include a detailed description of the truck.

The show dates are Thursday, May 13th until Sunday, May 16th.
Many vendors are there as early as Monday. We plan to be there
starting Wednesday.

Last year was great and helped to solidify many friendships
amoung list members. We hope to see you there!

Sincerely,
Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:59:57 EST
From: JudgeR aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?

the lights are mandatory in some states depending on the GVW of the vehicle
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:42:16 PST
From: "Lucien Lenoire"
Subject: FTE 97up - Jiffy Lube Fargo, ND ripoff

I want to warn people who live in or drive through Fargo, ND, about the
JIFFY LUBE location No 336. I stopped there on Jan. 15 1999 to get an
oil change. By the time I was finished, I had paid nearly $100 for
replacing an air filter and having a FUEL EMISSION CLEANING SERVICE,
plus $25.99 for the oil change. Ford recommends the air filter be
changed at 30,000 miles, NOT at 12,000 miles. Ford neither recommends
nor requires ANY service to the fuel emission devoces on the Ford F150
pickup truck. I have contacted the parent comp[any with the demand they
repay the amopunt I was ripped off by the location in Fargo, but they
have not found the time to reply. Check Mark Lessers page for another
horror story about his experience with this predatory company. My
advice is for people to not get their oil changed, or even go near Jiffy
Lube. I paid over $22,000 Canadian for my pickup; you all paid more
than that. Saving a couple dollars on an oil change and risking the
destruction of your engine is penny wise(?) and many dollars foolish.
If you must save money, do it yourself. Buy your oil. filters, etc.
from Walmart or Ford, and any person with a little mechanical ability;
sufficient to screw the top on a coke bottle; can do it. In addition
the clowns at this location tinkered with the low beams on my truck, and
they haven't worked properly since. I probably should count myself
lucky they didn't charge me for this SERVICE. This is like the bull to
the cow. Don't let the clowns working for this outfit tinker with your
pride and joy.
Lucien Lenoire

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:38:15 -0700
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD Weight

Your SuperDuty may weigh more than you think.
The invoice on my '99 250 SD PSD LB CC indicates a shipping weight of
5952 pounds. I weighed the vehicle with a full fuel tank, myself, wife
and dog. The total was 7020 pounds! (Ok, I am a little tubby)
The implication of this is that the towing limitation may well be the be
the difference between the actual vehicle weight and the GVWR (8800
pounds for this model/version). If you include a 5th wheel hitch and
additional gear, a tongue weight of 1500-1600 pounds may well determine
the selection of a fifth wheel.
Comments anyone?

Norm

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:59:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD Weight

There is a brochure at Ford dealers that lists the weight of each individual
option. Among the many options listed are: diesel engine, et al.

If one were to take the 5952 as a base weight and added up the options, the
total weight increases noticeably. My 99 PS supercab weighed also in the
7000 +s. I could run out the garage and check the facts, but from here, I
recall it weighed in around 7,250 lbs.

If you want a more precise set of figures, let me know.


At 01:38 PM 1/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Your SuperDuty may weigh more than you think.
>The invoice on my '99 250 SD PSD LB CC indicates a shipping weight of
>5952 pounds. I weighed the vehicle with a full fuel tank, myself, wife
>and dog. The total was 7020 pounds! (Ok, I am a little tubby)
>The implication of this is that the towing limitation may well be the be
>the difference between the actual vehicle weight and the GVWR (8800
>pounds for this model/version). If you include a 5th wheel hitch and
>additional gear, a tongue weight of 1500-1600 pounds may well determine
>the selection of a fifth wheel.
>Comments anyone?
>
>Norm
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:35:48 -0700
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires

Anyone have information on the tires that came with my '99 SD PSD CC
General Tires 235/85/R16 "E" GRABBER AW

A check on the General Tire Home page did not yield any information on
this tire nor did a deja news/yahoo search turn up anything.

Looking for tire inflation chart (pressure vs load), plus any other
comments.

Thanks....Norm


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:17:00 -0600
From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Todd Wozniak)
Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth

I recently had a muffler replaced on my current truck so that I could hear
the radio or talk to others in the cab. I regretted having to do so but
who knows when the SD will come in. I ordered a Lariat. Stop laughing!!!

So I was talking to the Jim the muffler guy, I asked him if he can do any
cat back type sytems or do a duel pipe system. He said that would be no
problem, he even could do 3 inch pipe as well. So then I asked if I would
see the increase in power as stated by many who choose or sell this option.
He laughed and said that the power would not rise any significant figure.
Jim said the power claims are inflated and the only benefit is the look of
the new pipes and the new sound, if you like that sort of thing.

I ran off names like Borla and K & H. He said that you are paying a lot of
money for shiney pipes.

He also said that with the way the computerized controls work these days
you need the back pressure created by factory exhaust to make the engine
work as it should. This of course would be different in a custom motor or
hot rod.

I appreciated his honesty. I was ready to have my new exhaust system torn
off as soon as I could.

What do you people think? Do any "experts" have any feedback? How about
current owners of cat back systems? Was it worth the money?

I appreciate your info!

Sincerely,

Todd Wozniak
Chicago


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:41:03 -0800
From: Tim Mattson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth

Todd,

I recently installed a Gibson 'super truck' cat back system on my 99
F150 SC 4x4 (5.4l). The system was relatively inexpensive ($150 + $60
install). I've put on approx. 3k miles since this upgrade(?). Alas I
must confess I have not seen any appreciable power gain or fuel savings
(as stated by the manufacturer). However, the exhaust tone is great and
the looks are nice. All in all the money was well spend.

Tim Mattson
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From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov [mailto:ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 2:17 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth


I recently had a muffler replaced on my current truck so that I could
hear
the radio or talk to others in the cab. I regretted having to do so but
who knows when the SD will come in. I ordered a Lariat. Stop
laughing!!!

So I was talking to the Jim the muffler guy, I asked him if he can do
any
cat back type sytems or do a duel pipe system. He said that would be no
problem, he even could do 3 inch pipe as well. So then I asked if I
would
see the increase in power as stated by many who choose or sell this
option.
He laughed and said that the power would not rise any significant
figure.
Jim said the power claims are inflated and the only benefit is the look
of
the new pipes and the new sound, if you like that sort of thing.

I ran off names like Borla and K & H. He said that you are paying a lot
of
money for shiney pipes.

He also said that with the way the computerized controls work these days
you need the back pressure created by factory exhaust to make the engine
work as it should. This of course would be different in a custom motor
or
hot rod.

I appreciated his honesty. I was ready to have my new exhaust system
torn
off as soon as I could.

What do you people think? Do any "experts" have any feedback? How
about
current owners of cat back systems? Was it worth the money?

I appreciate your info!

Sincerely,

Todd Wozniak
Chicago


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:56:45 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: FTE 97up - SD 3.73 Ltd Slip (was SD ESOF and Ltd Slip (was...))

Charles asked:

> > On the limited-slip in two wheel drive, when the right rear drive
> > wheel began to spin (or vice-a-versa), power transferred to the
> > other wheel and kept the truck going in the snow? If your get a
> > chance to test it on ice, let me know how it behaves.

Dick responded:

> Sunday, backing into my mother's driveway, in 2WD, with one rear
> wheel on a low snowbank (
> driveway, the wheel on ice spun, and the other never took over.
> Needed 4WD to go backward, although I'm not sure if I tried forward
> in 2WD before bailing out. I'm now confused. Does the Ltd Slip not
> work in reverse, or not work well, or did I not actually get it on
> the truck? The 3.73 LS was on the window sticker. Anyone know now
> to verify if it's actually there? I don't think I saw it on the
> door jamb sticker, but I've only taken a quick peek at that once.
> (Truck's at home, I'm at work).

Dick now follows up with:

Door jamb sticker has "C1" for axle code, which, if it corresponds to
the "XC1" axle code in the ordering info available on-line (Edmunds
etc), would indicate I did get the 3.73LS. Rear differential case has
an aluminum (or something) tag stamped with "S 141 C / 3L73 105 8M14".
I'm guessing the "3L73" seems like it might be a code for 3.73 Ltd
Slip. There's a green sticker on the rear axle with "S 141 C" on it.
My guess is it does have the Ltd Slip, but I don't know why it didn't
help in this instance. I'll try to test some more.

- -Dick Dorff
99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4(manual) V10 Auto 3.73ls TT Hitch PrivGlass
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:09:11 -0500
From: Chris Akers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth

Todd Wozniak wrote:
> He laughed and said that the power would not rise any significant figure.

It depends on what you mean by "significant"... in an otherwise stock
5.4 or 4.6, with the factory catalytic converters, manifolds and
"Mr. Restricto" y-pipe in place, I wouldn't count on more than a
5-12HP increase from a cat-back system alone. Now if you do some
other mods, that number may rise as the stock muffler becomes the
performance bottleneck. The "bang for the buck" isn't great, but
along the par of an airbox, throttle body, etc. The factory muffler
is a killer, so a cat-back does become worthwile if you do other
mods.

> He also said that with the way the computerized controls work these days
> you need the back pressure created by factory exhaust to make the engine
> work as it should. This of course would be different in a custom motor or
> hot rod.

Why would it be different? An engine is really just an air pump when
you get down to it... taking away restrictions in breathing in air and
expelling air will yield more efficiency (i.e. better gas mileage and
better power). Even if you believe backpressure is good, the factory
manifolds, cat-cons and y-pipe will provide plenty of it. At the risk
of getting flamed, I also believe you could possibly gut one of the
pairs of converters and still pass emissions tests and not trigger
an OBD-II fault.... but that's all hypothetically speaking.

> I appreciated his honesty. I was ready to have my new exhaust system torn
> off as soon as I could.

I agree it is refreshing to not get a total line of BS to sell you on
something. :-)

Later,
jC. '67 Camaro, '95 Z28, '98 F150 - lugnutz.com
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Celotek Corporation phone:919-462-1900 x259
P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:18:28 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires

Norm,
I feel your pain....I couldn't find anything about those tires that came on
my Superduty v-10..... I looked on the internet, General Tire stores,
etc....maybe I was just looking in all of the wrong places........I finally
traded them in on some more aggressive siped 255/85 all-terrain tires (Wild
Country TXR's) at Les Schwab...a northwestern tire store. I couldn't
believe the differece in traction and ride....good investment.
The only bad thing I can think of is the axle ratio change from 3.73 to
3.58...
Do any of you out there know how difficult it is to change the axle ratio
back and how much $$ it costs??


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:34 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 3.73 Ltd Slip (was SD ESOF and Ltd Slip (was...))

You need to introduce a little torque bias into the system in that type
of split mu situation. When one wheel spins freely and the other just
sits there, doing nothing, whether or not you have limited slip, you need
to apply the emergency brake a little to introduce some bias and get
the unpowered wheel turning again. Don't forget to release the brake
after you get moving again.
Try it the next time you get into that situation and see if it doesn't
help.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 1/20/99 5:02:15 PM Central Standard Time,
ddorff nortelnetworks.com writes:

> > > On the limited-slip in two wheel drive, when the right rear drive
> > > wheel began to spin (or vice-a-versa), power transferred to the
> > > other wheel and kept the truck going in the snow? If your get a
> > > chance to test it on ice, let me know how it behaves.
>
> Dick responded:
>
> > Sunday, backing into my mother's driveway, in 2WD, with one rear
> > wheel on a low snowbank (
> > driveway, the wheel on ice spun, and the other never took over.
> > Needed 4WD to go backward, although I'm not sure if I tried forward
> > in 2WD before bailing out.
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:11:42 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?

Add them if you can, because putting them on after you get your truck is a
real pain. Been there-done that! The lights shouldn't interfere with
putting your truck in the garage, they protrude about 1.5 inches above the
cab. Mine fits in the door with about 6 inches of clearance.

Some states may require cab ID lights depending on GVWR and if it is used in
commercial business, but most of us add them to the truck because it looks
good. If you are spending 30 grand + on a new toy, whats another 55$!

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:22:14 -0800
From: Brian K Moberg
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Clearence lights?

the lights are mandatory in some states depending on the GVW of the
vehicle

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Although the above may very well be true I have not heard of this in the
northwest. It is my understanting that clearance lights (three in the
middle and one on each side, front and rear) are required in most states
on vehicles over 80 inches wide. Even if you don't have a dually consider
if you will ever be towing a travel trailer or other trailer that might
be over 80 inches wide. (The 80 inch maximum does not include mirrors.)

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:53:15 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Chip

If you are looking for extra power for your Powerstroke Diesel. Install an
external chip on the truck's computer. I have used powerchips before on other
applications with little or no increase in power or fuel economy. This is not
the case with the PSD, I can feel the difference in the trucks performance.
Mileage has increased, but it is hard to say why, to many variables with the
weather. These chips are not cheap for the PSD, the purchased price was $400
and is made by Superchip. If you plan to purchase a powerchip, talk to other
people who have install this chip for comparison.
Note: I am not selling nor do I work for Superchip, just explaining some facts
about a product that increases the PSD by 100# of torque and 50 hp.

John Patterson
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:08:34 -0500
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold

First, I want to thank everyone for the answers concerning the first oil
change. I will be going to synthetic on my third oil change, at around
6000 miles.
Next question: Has anyone else noticed that their 4R100 tranny won't go
into overdrive for the first couple of miles after sitting all night in
the cold? Is there a reason for this?

Thank you,
Rick Kane

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:40:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - 1997 up

Forwarded for: "max gaub"

I ordered my 250 SD PSD CC SB Lariet (with every option except the 4
x4)on Dec. 21. I got my "build" date on Friday being the Feb. 1, w/
delivery Feb. 25. The PSD's g*t built faster than the v-10 because the
V-10 is back ordered several months with 5.4 and PSD beinging readily
avail. The dealer said he has 3 other v-10's on order with no build date
as of yet and they were ordered 2 months before mine. My friend ordered
a 250 v-10 and it took hime 7 months, which just madness. Can't wait to
get mine...

Max

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:48:18 -0600
From: Karl Nyhus
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 SD tires

Norm Brown wrote:
> Anyone have information on the tires that came with my '99 SD PSD CC
> General Tires 235/85/R16 "E" GRABBER AW
> A check on the General Tire Home page did not yield any information on
> this tire nor did a deja news/yahoo search turn up anything.
> Looking for tire inflation chart (pressure vs load), plus any other
> comments.

Good luck finding this information. After months
of asking for specific inflation info for General
and Goodyear tires at numerous tire dealers,
searching on the web, e-mailing and calling
Goodyear, and talking to various service writers
at my Ford dealer, I came up empty. Until I bought
a set of BFGoodrich All-Terrains and emailed BFG
asking about them. (Their site is at
www.bfgoodrichtires.com) A helpful guy called with
specific recommendations and a follow-up e-mail
which I include here:

Subject:Re: BFGoodrich Tires Web Site Reply
Date:18 Jan 1999 13:38:27 -0500
From:"WebTire BFG"

To:snarl goldengate.net (Return requested)

Thank you for visiting our website and sending us
your message. The
following is air pressure/load data for tire size
LT255/75R16 LRD as
established by the Tire and Rim Association, Inc.

Size LT255/75R16 LRD - max pressure - 65PSI max
load - 2680 lbs

PSI/Load (lbs) --- 35/1720 40/1890 45/2050
50/2505 55/2360
60/2510 65/2680

Should you have any additional questions, please
constact us on our
toll free number - (877) 788-8899. Our office
hours are from 8:30 AM
until 6:00 PM Eastern time, Monday through Friday.

Thank you again for visiting our website.
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:59:35 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package

I am the proud owner of a new F-250 SD SC V-10. I ordered the truck with the
camper package which comes with the overload spring on the rear and
stabilizer bars front and rear. Can anyone give me any info on how much this
option increases the payload if any. The thing that concerns me is the
weight of the truck, with my family and I in the truck (two small kids and
two small adults) the truck weighs a wopping 7050lbs. With an 8800 gvw that
doesn't leave but 1750 for my camper. Last year I carried my camper
(2500lbs) and pulled my boat 2450lbs with an old 3/4 Chev. It did fine other
than the lack of power but it only weight in at 5800 with the family in it.
Any input would be appreciated.

Mattb

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:06 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

Maybe it is just an old wive's tale, But I have heard from numerous
sources that it is not a good idea to switch to synthetic oil until the
rings have seated....BECAUSE the lubricity of synthetic oil is so good
that the rings will never seat....

Your money, your truck....Do what you want.

I have a 1991 toyota Camry that my wife drives, I have changed the oil
WHENEVER it needed to have a quart added, and at 187,000 miles, it is
time to change it again...But I have never used synthetic oil in it.

My 96 F150 got a quart of slick 50 at the first change, and it quieted
down immensely now, at 50,000 miles it is time to add it again.

When the new truck comes, I will listen to the piston slap, look at the
mickey mouse gauges, and do whatever.

But I promise, I will drive it hard, and put it away wet.

Frank



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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:53:59 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold

The cold really seems to effect these transmissions. My '98 F-150 SC
(4R70W) doesn't have any problem going into overdrive, but when it's below
freezing, it won't even shift out of 1st until about 2,000 rpm and 15mph.
Not that that's such a horribly high speed, but it's always been a concern
because it's so dramatically different from when it's above freezing or
after the truck is warmed up.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering our veterans.

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From: RICK KANE
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:10 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Overdrive when cold


>First, I want to thank everyone for the answers concerning the first oil
>change. I will be going to synthetic on my third oil change, at around
>6000 miles.
>Next question: Has anyone else noticed that their 4R100 tranny won't go
>into overdrive for the first couple of miles after sitting all night in
>the cold? Is there a reason for this?



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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:19:13 -0600
From: Todd Styles
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F250 SD PSD... good deal?

I have the opportunity to buy a '99 F250SD SuperCab short bed 2
wheel drive XLT with the PSD and 6 speed. It's quite loaded with the towing
package and 3.73 limited slip, power seat, CD, keyless entry and more. It's
new on a dealer's lot and they want $27K (MSRP is $30.4) How does this
relate to what most people are paying? I went in looking at a new F150 and
this caught my eye. Dealer says that everybody is wanting an automatic.
What is your opinion? Thanks, Todd.
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:49:30 EST
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust Truth

Well, I just had a "Gibson" Cat Back Exhaust system installed and so far I
love it...I haven't really noticed much (if any) increase in power but it does
look great and sounds much better!

Chris
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:47:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F-250 SD w/Camper Package

Ford dealers have a brochure that lists the weight for every option, from
radio to diesel engine. I think there also is a base weight listed and to
that one can add all the options. It is aimed at camper applications, but,....


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