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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: clutch disks and pressure plates
Re: FTE 97up - wipers
FTE 97up - Noisey Transmission
RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:06:27 -0400
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: clutch disks and pressure plates

You don't want an aftermarket clutch, just find a Ford dealer that will
give you a discount (most will) 25% is normal. The quality of
aftermarket clutches is terrible! I have re-replaced many, now use only
Ford. The last one I made the parts store pay the $250 labor, he is
still grumpy about it.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:43:10 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - wipers

Had that happen on a '92 F150 XLT, had switch replaced under warranty.


>From: "Joe Merchak"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: FTE 97up - wipers
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:00:47 -0400
>
>Has anyone else had this problem. I own a 99 Ranger XLT and about3 months
>after buying it the wipers would come on randomly. This has seem to be
>getting worse and sometime I need to put the control switch to one then off
>before they stop. Of coarse it does not happen when at Ford so they say
>there is nothing wrong.
>
>Thanks
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:44:06 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Noisey Transmission

Greetings to all,

I've been reading this list for a couple of months and really enjoy the
info. This is my first post. Here goes...

I have a 99.5 F250 SD SC V10 4x4 5sp with about 2500 miles. From the =
1st
week of ownership, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears have a "knock" only after the
truck has been driven and warmed up. I took it to the dealership
(fortunately it made the same noises there too) and the service manager
seemed to think that it was "rough gears". He was going to order =
another
transmission to replace mine.

The service manager had his transmission guy drive my truck the next day =
and
he couldn't hear the problem. The service manager pointed the noise out =
to
him. The transmission guy said that was normal operation on this
transmission and that's why he didn't notice it. So, the service =
manager's
official word is "normal operation."

Has anyone else had this noise in gears 1, 2, and 3 on the 5sp? It is
definitely noticeable once the truck is warmed up.

Other than that, (except for a hail storm) no problems. Great truck!


Repy:
I have a 99.5 F350 PDS 6 spd CC SRW LB and have experienced low RPM =
transmission "growling" since new, now have 1,800 miles on it. Between =
idle and 1,200 RPM when the transmission is warm I get a very loud =
"Growl" or "Resonant Vibration" in all gears. I don't think I would call =
it a knock though. I posted here twice and did not get any response so I =
figured it must be normal. It sounds to me like the input bearing is =
sloppy or the input gear to counter shaft gear is a sloppy fit. At =
higher RPM's (above 1,200) I do not notice any noise. I have checked the =
oil level and it seams okay. I also notice that it is difficult to shift =
into gear when the truck is stopped, like the sycronizors don't work =
properly or the shift collar is a very tight fit into the gear. I =
figured if it self destructs in the first 12,000 miles it wouldn't be my =
problem other than down time. If it gets worse I will definitely get it =
looked at. I plan to put about 4,000 miles on it in June pulling a =
8,000# trailer so maybe that will bring out any weak area of my =
transmission. Please post any findings, thanks.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:16:57 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

> ----------
> From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
>
> Hi Steve,
> Did you buy it off the lot?
>
Yes, It was used.

> . In any event, do
> you have anything IN WRITING that shows the truck should have the Limited
> Slip Rear Axle?
>
No, Just the word of the rep and the witness of my wife.

> If you do, then you are golden. If not, and it is just
> your word against his, you still have a case, albeit a more difficult one.
> Not directed at you, Steve, but in general, this is a good time to repeat
> the oft-mentioned fact of "buyer-beware".
>
Ya, I agree, except I was emphatic about this option. I also had the rep
look up the door code.
He must have just plain lied about it. The only things I required in the
truck were the 5.4, tow package,
limited slip and air. The Lariat had all (and more) than I wanted. In
hindsight I can see how
the sales rep might want to let the LS option slide.

The funny thing is he actually told me that the truck had a 3.73:1 ratio. I
knew that wasn't possible in a
150, so that's when I told him to look up the door code.

>
I priced out a new rear end today, $1,695.75 from the dealer. This is the
figure I will use when I
file suit tomorrow.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:06:08 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Look at your axle code on your door sticker. 18 is a standard 3.08:1 open
rear end, 19 is a 3.55:1 open rear end, H9 is a 3.55:1 limited slip rear
end. There is also a 3.31:1 rear end (I don't know the code for that one)
and yes, there is a 3.73:1 rear end available in the F150 (I don't know the
code for that one either). The 3.73 rear end is available only with the 5.4L
engine and automatic transmission combination.


>From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'97up-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:16:57 -0400
>
>
>
> > ----------
> > From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > Did you buy it off the lot?
> >
>Yes, It was used.
>
> > . In any event, do
> > you have anything IN WRITING that shows the truck should have the
>Limited
> > Slip Rear Axle?
> >
>No, Just the word of the rep and the witness of my wife.
>
> > If you do, then you are golden. If not, and it is just
> > your word against his, you still have a case, albeit a more difficult
>one.
> > Not directed at you, Steve, but in general, this is a good time to
>repeat
> > the oft-mentioned fact of "buyer-beware".
> >
>Ya, I agree, except I was emphatic about this option. I also had the rep
>look up the door code.
>He must have just plain lied about it. The only things I required in the
>truck were the 5.4, tow package,
>limited slip and air. The Lariat had all (and more) than I wanted. In
>hindsight I can see how
>the sales rep might want to let the LS option slide.
>
>The funny thing is he actually told me that the truck had a 3.73:1 ratio. I
>knew that wasn't possible in a
>150, so that's when I told him to look up the door code.
>
> >
>I priced out a new rear end today, $1,695.75 from the dealer. This is the
>figure I will use when I
>file suit tomorrow.
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:36:20 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

I didn't realize there was a 3:73:1 offered in an F-150. My
owners manual (bear in mind I have a 97 and things may
have changed) does not list this for a 150, only an F-250.

At any rate, my axle code is 19. And I verified it's open
on the jack.

Here is the latest on my situation. The sales rep was
supposed to call me yesterday. No call, no voicemail.
So, at the end of the day I called the sales manager,
this is per Ford's webpage as to how to resolve a problem.
He stated that he knew nothing about the problem, and
offered no solution.

This morning I stopped at the courthouse and filed
suit for $1,895.75 against Patalano Ford in Franklin, MA.
I e-mailed them also and let them know what I did (and
gave them a docket number in case they thought I was bluffing).

At 11:30AM I received a voice mail message indicating I would
get a new rear end. I called back the sales rep and he was all
disappointed that I didn't give him an "extra day". I explained
that this was nothing personal, I only expected he would
behave the same way I would to my customers. If you
need an extra day, just take two minutes to leave me
a message stating that. I also said that the suit was just
the next logical step for me to pursue, and that I can
cancel it at any time prior to the court date. He got all
ticked off and transferred me to the service manager, I get my
new rear end next Tuesday.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com

> ----------
> From: Robert Brown[SMTP:rdbrown2 hotmail.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 12:06 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>
> Look at your axle code on your door sticker. 18 is a standard 3.08:1 open
> rear end, 19 is a 3.55:1 open rear end, H9 is a 3.55:1 limited slip rear
> end. There is also a 3.31:1 rear end (I don't know the code for that one)
> and yes, there is a 3.73:1 rear end available in the F150 (I don't know
> the
> code for that one either). The 3.73 rear end is available only with the
> 5.4L
> engine and automatic transmission combination.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:53:09 -0400
From: CnC
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Congrats!

- -----Original Message-----
From: D'Amelio Stephen M
To: '97up-listford-truckscom'
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma


I didn't realize there was a 3:73:1 offered in an F-150. My
owners manual (bear in mind I have a 97 and things may
have changed) does not list this for a 150, only an F-250.

At any rate, my axle code is 19. And I verified it's open
on the jack.

Here is the latest on my situation. The sales rep was
supposed to call me yesterday. No call, no voicemail.
So, at the end of the day I called the sales manager,
this is per Ford's webpage as to how to resolve a problem.
He stated that he knew nothing about the problem, and
offered no solution.

This morning I stopped at the courthouse and filed
suit for $1,895.75 against Patalano Ford in Franklin, MA.
I e-mailed them also and let them know what I did (and
gave them a docket number in case they thought I was bluffing).

At 11:30AM I received a voice mail message indicating I would
get a new rear end. I called back the sales rep and he was all
disappointed that I didn't give him an "extra day". I explained
that this was nothing personal, I only expected he would
behave the same way I would to my customers. If you
need an extra day, just take two minutes to leave me
a message stating that. I also said that the suit was just
the next logical step for me to pursue, and that I can
cancel it at any time prior to the court date. He got all
ticked off and transferred me to the service manager, I get my
new rear end next Tuesday.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com

> ----------
> From: Robert Brown[SMTP:rdbrown2 hotmail.com]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 12:06 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>
> Look at your axle code on your door sticker. 18 is a standard 3.08:1 open
> rear end, 19 is a 3.55:1 open rear end, H9 is a 3.55:1 limited slip rear
> end. There is also a 3.31:1 rear end (I don't know the code for that one)
> and yes, there is a 3.73:1 rear end available in the F150 (I don't know
> the
> code for that one either). The 3.73 rear end is available only with the
> 5.4L
> engine and automatic transmission combination.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:28:18 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Outstanding! I like Ford vehicles, but their customer service certainly
leaves something to be desired (junk like that happens here in Oklahoma,
too). Be sure those guys re-calibrate your speedometer if you're going to a
different ratio. Ford parts has the numbers for each speedometer gear and
its intended application.


>From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'97up-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:36:20 -0400
>
>I didn't realize there was a 3:73:1 offered in an F-150. My
>owners manual (bear in mind I have a 97 and things may
>have changed) does not list this for a 150, only an F-250.
>
>At any rate, my axle code is 19. And I verified it's open
>on the jack.
>
>Here is the latest on my situation. The sales rep was
>supposed to call me yesterday. No call, no voicemail.
>So, at the end of the day I called the sales manager,
>this is per Ford's webpage as to how to resolve a problem.
>He stated that he knew nothing about the problem, and
>offered no solution.
>
>This morning I stopped at the courthouse and filed
>suit for $1,895.75 against Patalano Ford in Franklin, MA.
>I e-mailed them also and let them know what I did (and
>gave them a docket number in case they thought I was bluffing).
>
>At 11:30AM I received a voice mail message indicating I would
>get a new rear end. I called back the sales rep and he was all
>disappointed that I didn't give him an "extra day". I explained
>that this was nothing personal, I only expected he would
>behave the same way I would to my customers. If you
>need an extra day, just take two minutes to leave me
>a message stating that. I also said that the suit was just
>the next logical step for me to pursue, and that I can
>cancel it at any time prior to the court date. He got all
>ticked off and transferred me to the service manager, I get my
>new rear end next Tuesday.
>
>Steve D'Amelio
>Systems Administrator
>CVS/Pharmacy
>1 CVS Drive
>Woonsocket, RI 02895
>401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
>mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com
>
> > ----------
> > From: Robert Brown[SMTP:rdbrown2 hotmail.com]
> > Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 12:06 PM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
> >
> > Look at your axle code on your door sticker. 18 is a standard 3.08:1
>open
> > rear end, 19 is a 3.55:1 open rear end, H9 is a 3.55:1 limited slip rear
> > end. There is also a 3.31:1 rear end (I don't know the code for that
>one)
> > and yes, there is a 3.73:1 rear end available in the F150 (I don't know
> > the
> > code for that one either). The 3.73 rear end is available only with the
> > 5.4L
> > engine and automatic transmission combination.
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:28:29 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Good for you! I am amazed they did not just install the rear you wanted and
made you a happy camper. Sometimes businesses step over the dollars to pick
up the dimes!

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma


>
>
>> ----------
>> From: Keith Veren[SMTP:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> Did you buy it off the lot?
>>
>Yes, It was used.
>
>> . In any event, do
>> you have anything IN WRITING that shows the truck should have the Limited
>> Slip Rear Axle?
>>
>No, Just the word of the rep and the witness of my wife.
>
>> If you do, then you are golden. If not, and it is just
>> your word against his, you still have a case, albeit a more difficult
one.
>> Not directed at you, Steve, but in general, this is a good time to repeat
>> the oft-mentioned fact of "buyer-beware".
>>
>Ya, I agree, except I was emphatic about this option. I also had the rep
>look up the door code.
>He must have just plain lied about it. The only things I required in the
>truck were the 5.4, tow package,
>limited slip and air. The Lariat had all (and more) than I wanted. In
>hindsight I can see how
>the sales rep might want to let the LS option slide.
>
>The funny thing is he actually told me that the truck had a 3.73:1 ratio. I
>knew that wasn't possible in a
>150, so that's when I told him to look up the door code.
>
>>
>I priced out a new rear end today, $1,695.75 from the dealer. This is the
>figure I will use when I
>file suit tomorrow.
>
>Steve
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:36:06 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Steve, next time you go to Massachusetts to buy or have work done on your
truck, try Acton ford in Acton, Mass. They have top-notch mechanics and
good service dept.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: CnC
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma


>Congrats!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: D'Amelio Stephen M
>To: '97up-listford-truckscom'
>Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 1:44 PM
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>
>
>I didn't realize there was a 3:73:1 offered in an F-150. My
>owners manual (bear in mind I have a 97 and things may
>have changed) does not list this for a 150, only an F-250.
>
>At any rate, my axle code is 19. And I verified it's open
>on the jack.
>
>Here is the latest on my situation. The sales rep was
>supposed to call me yesterday. No call, no voicemail.
>So, at the end of the day I called the sales manager,
>this is per Ford's webpage as to how to resolve a problem.
>He stated that he knew nothing about the problem, and
>offered no solution.
>
>This morning I stopped at the courthouse and filed
>suit for $1,895.75 against Patalano Ford in Franklin, MA.
>I e-mailed them also and let them know what I did (and
>gave them a docket number in case they thought I was bluffing).
>
>At 11:30AM I received a voice mail message indicating I would
>get a new rear end. I called back the sales rep and he was all
>disappointed that I didn't give him an "extra day". I explained
>that this was nothing personal, I only expected he would
>behave the same way I would to my customers. If you
>need an extra day, just take two minutes to leave me
>a message stating that. I also said that the suit was just
>the next logical step for me to pursue, and that I can
>cancel it at any time prior to the court date. He got all
>ticked off and transferred me to the service manager, I get my
>new rear end next Tuesday.
>
>Steve D'Amelio
>Systems Administrator
>CVS/Pharmacy
>1 CVS Drive
>Woonsocket, RI 02895
>401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
>mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com
>
>> ----------
>> From: Robert Brown[SMTP:rdbrown2 hotmail.com]
>> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 12:06 PM
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>>
>> Look at your axle code on your door sticker. 18 is a standard 3.08:1 open
>> rear end, 19 is a 3.55:1 open rear end, H9 is a 3.55:1 limited slip rear
>> end. There is also a 3.31:1 rear end (I don't know the code for that one)
>> and yes, there is a 3.73:1 rear end available in the F150 (I don't know
>> the
>> code for that one either). The 3.73 rear end is available only with the
>> 5.4L
>> engine and automatic transmission combination.
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:15:23 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Steve;
Congratulations on your success, at least projected success. My guess is
that you will not get a "new" rear end, but a used one from somewhere. In
fact you may just get a "new used " hogshead since that would be the cheapest
and easiest route for the dealer to satisfy your problem. Two issues if he
goes used. Verify the ratio to be sure the speedometerwill be right. You
might have to do this yourself since the credibility of the dealer is now
suspect.

Since you have your own business I guess a caution about warrenty specific to
this change isn't needed.

Congratulations again on your success. And used car salesmen wonder why they
are put in the same class as politicians. Hmpf!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:43:49 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

> Congratulations on your success, at least projected success. My guess is
> that you will not get a "new" rear end, but a used one from somewhere. In
> fact you may just get a "new used " hogshead since that would be the cheapest
> and easiest route for the dealer to satisfy your problem. Two issues if he
> goes used. Verify the ratio to be sure the speedometerwill be right. You
> might have to do this yourself since the credibility of the dealer is now
> suspect.

Naah, you will not get a "used" axle. What they will do is pull the current
open differential out of the housing and replace it with a limited slip one.
The ratio will be the same because you will have the same ring and pinion
gearset that you started with. FWIW, a limited slip differential (like say
an Auburn) runs about $300-$400 w/o installation. You DO NOT need to replace
the whole rear axle assembly to get a LS axle.

Rob
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:50:27 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

>Congratulations on your success, at least projected success. My guess is
>that you will not get a "new" rear end, but a used one from somewhere.

The other possibility is that they will install the anti-slip clutch
package into the existing diff.

Last year my new F-250 came in without the LS that I had ordered, the
dealer's mistake. Order was keyed in wrong, and they took complete
responsibility. They simply upgraded the diff to LS; there's a kit for that
purpose. Maybe it's an option with yours.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:22:31 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

If he was promised a 3.73:1 they'll replace the current differential with
that and as stated earlier, rather than replace the entire third member, the
differential alone will be replaced. Most likely a Traction-Lok unit the
same as on pickups normally had with this option will be installed. As I
said earlier, MAKE SURE these guys replace the speedometer gear with the
correct part to correspond to your new rear end ratio.


>From: Ken Peterson
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:50:27 -0700
>
> >Congratulations on your success, at least projected success. My guess
>is
> >that you will not get a "new" rear end, but a used one from somewhere.
>
>The other possibility is that they will install the anti-slip clutch....


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