97up-list-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 156



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny
FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
FTE 97up - clutch disks and pressure plates
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma
Re: FTE 97up - clutch disks and pressure plates
FTE 97up - Re: Oil Drain Valve
FTE 97up - Loud truck, and other assorted problems
Re: FTE 97up - Loud truck, and other assorted problems

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:51:47 PDT
From: Frank Spor
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny

My 5 Speed "clashes" when shifting down into second....either for additional
torque, or to come to a stop......It also seems to have a large amount of
backlash...When warm...It will make a prounounced noise when transitioning
from "pulling" to "coasting" I am at 6500 MI, and watching things closely.


>From: "Jeff Bridges"
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "97 up"
>Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny
>Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:27:44 -0400
>
>Greetings to all,
>
>I've been reading this list for a couple of months and really enjoy the
>info. This is my first post. Here goes...
>
>I have a 99.5 F250 SD SC V10 4x4 5sp with about 2500 miles. From the 1st
>week of ownership, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears have a "knock" only after the
>truck has been driven and warmed up. I took it to the dealership
>(fortunately it made the same noises there too) and the service manager
>seemed to think that it was "rough gears". He was going to order another
>transmission to replace mine.
>
>The service manager had his transmission guy drive my truck the next day
>and
>he couldn't hear the problem. The service manager pointed the noise out to
>him. The transmission guy said that was normal operation on this
>transmission and that's why he didn't notice it. So, the service manager's
>official word is "normal operation."
>
>Has anyone else had this noise in gears 1, 2, and 3 on the 5sp? It is
>definitely noticeable once the truck is warmed up.
>
>Other than that, (except for a hail storm) no problems. Great truck!
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff Bridges
>99.5 F250 SD SC V10 4x4 5sp, Chrome Nerf steps, Rhino liner
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:31:45 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny



It's not running flawlessly, take it back and make Ford put a different
tranny in it or repair the damage that is no doubt occuring in the one you
have now...make them give you a loaner to boot. We're talking major dollars
here for a heavy duty truck, there's no tolerance for those kinds of
problems in major drivetrain parts this early on...unless of course you've
driven it over a cliff or through the Mississippi River or something
similar...TAKE IT BACK AND DEMAND THE QUALITY YOU PAID FOR!!

Just my stern opinion,
C.K.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:44:23 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Hi,

I recently purchased a 97 Lariat ext cab with
a 5.4 and a tow package. I was told by the dealer
that it also had a limited slip rear end. Well, after
a few starts in the rain I doubted that fact. Last
night I jacked up the rear end and sure enough,
it's a wide open rear end.

I called the salesperson last night and he said he
would take it up with management, but assured me
that they would not replace the rear end. (which is
what I would really like to do)

I really like this truck otherwise, and would like to keep it.
It would be a major hassle to return it, since I've already made
a payment on it, insured and registered it, paid the sales
tax etc.

I am thinking of starting a claim in small claims court to
begin covering my interests. I can go to the local courthouse
and for about $15 start the paperwork. One can always
cancel these before the court date. I can sue for up to
$2000 dollars in small claims and don't need a lawyer. I've
used this once before against Toyota and won that amount.
I am NOT suit happy, I believe I have a clear case of fraud here.
(I made a point to ask the rep several times about the rear end,
and he confirmed the codes on the door panel, which now I know
do not show a limited slip code).

What do you all think? Should I start lining up my ducks now?

Thanks,
Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:31:55 -0400
From: Price CON James
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Stephen, I would really let them have it!

I had some problems with the dealer when I bought my 99 XLT. I wrote and
emailed Ford Credit and Ford Motor Company some nasty letters and threatened
legal action. It DEFINITELY got the dealer's attention and my problems were
cleared up. Ford Credit said that if the dealer misrepresents a vehicle,
then you CAN return it.

Jim Price, 99 F150 XLT.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:06:39 -0700
From: "Rivera, Max"
Subject: FTE 97up - clutch disks and pressure plates

I am having a hard time finding a clutch disk for my 1997 f150 4.2l 5speed.
It seems that only the dealer has the parts. Autopart stores, i have called
serveral, do not even carry it. It would seem that this is a normal item to
carry and would like to know if anyone else has had this problem.

Thanks

Maximo D. Rivera

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:42:14 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Hi Steve,
Did you buy it off the lot? I have found that these things happen much less
when you spec-out and order the truck from the factory. In any event, do
you have anything IN WRITING that shows the truck should have the Limited
Slip Rear Axle? If you do, then you are golden. If not, and it is just
your word against his, you still have a case, albeit a more difficult one.
Not directed at you, Steve, but in general, this is a good time to repeat
the oft-mentioned fact of "buyer-beware". People should try to get one of
the numerous books and or documents (Consumer Reports New Car Pricing
Service) or go to and download information from one or more of the numerous
internet sites (edmonds, autosite, etc.) and go into the dealership "armed"
to the teeth with this information and use it to question all the statements
made by the salesman (e.g., so Mr. Salesman, you say it has limited slip?
That means the door jamb plate, the window sticker and the rear axle itself
should show a code "XH6" or whatever the code is that year for the type and
ratio of the limited-slip axle you want).


Keith




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From: D'Amelio, Stephen M.
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:47 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma


>Hi,
>
>I recently purchased a 97 Lariat ext cab with
>a 5.4 and a tow package. I was told by the dealer
>that it also had a limited slip rear end. Well, after
>a few starts in the rain I doubted that fact. Last
>night I jacked up the rear end and sure enough,
>it's a wide open rear end.
>
>I called the salesperson last night and he said he
>would take it up with management, but assured me
>that they would not replace the rear end. (which is
>what I would really like to do)
>
>I really like this truck otherwise, and would like to keep it.
>It would be a major hassle to return it, since I've already made
>a payment on it, insured and registered it, paid the sales
>tax etc.
>
>I am thinking of starting a claim in small claims court to
>begin covering my interests. I can go to the local courthouse
>and for about $15 start the paperwork. One can always
>cancel these before the court date. I can sue for up to
>$2000 dollars in small claims and don't need a lawyer. I've
>used this once before against Toyota and won that amount.
>I am NOT suit happy, I believe I have a clear case of fraud here.
>(I made a point to ask the rep several times about the rear end,
>and he confirmed the codes on the door panel, which now I know
>do not show a limited slip code).
>
>What do you all think? Should I start lining up my ducks now?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve D'Amelio
>Systems Administrator
>CVS/Pharmacy
>1 CVS Drive
>Woonsocket, RI 02895
>401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
>mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:27:36 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SuperDuty Noisy Tranny -Reply

go and test drive another SD with the same tranny and listen for the noise. You can also open the fill plug in the
tranny and go fishing for metal in the case with one of those magnets on a spring used to fish out nuts. If any metsl
shavings or particles show up you have a legitimate reason for demanding service on the tranny. At 2500 miles a
problem is probably fixable if it is just a bad bearing, gear or shaft. Be sure to get paperwork documentation on each
visit to the dealer for this problem. If the dealer tries cheap fixes and the problem is recurring you might want to do
the lemon law thing in the future. Even the best vehicles have bad trannys once in a while. Don't let your dealer BS
you if it is a real problem.

my 0.02
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:40:55 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My limited slip dilemma

Steve;
I guess I'm not sure from your post whether or not you have confirmed the
code or whether you simply determined that the diff is functionally open.
It's possible the clutches are gone which would be a warranty issue and a
minor problem.

If the code says regular differential and the salesman gave you incorrect
information well yes, you have a case although it will depend on who the
judge believes is telling the truth and whether he thinks you should have
gone behind the salesman and verified. The good news is that it should be
less than $2000. The dealer might not think so but in fact aftermarket
limited slip units are about $400 to $500 (Eaton or Detroit) and it should be
only a few hours to install one if they have a savvy mechanic.

Fords in particular are fairly easy to work on since the whole mess comes out
the front end of the housing.

Good luck with your problem,

John G
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:29:31 -0500
From: "Karl Nyhus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - clutch disks and pressure plates

Max Rivera wrote:

>I am having a hard time finding a clutch
>disk for my 1997 f150 4.2l 5speed.
>It seems that only the dealer has the parts.
>Autopart stores, i have called
>serveral, do not even carry it. It would
>seem that this is a normal item to
>carry and would like to know if anyone
>else has had this problem.


Max, I'm sorry to hear your '97 needs clutch work already. I'm just
speculating now, but I don't think parts stores are expecting many "new"
trucks like yours to need clutch parts yet. It's not worth their shelf space
and inventory costs to carry yet. The after market manufacturers also would
have to think it's worth their while to design, test, and make the parts.
I'd expect to see aftermarket clutch parts in greater supply in another year
or two. Remember that you and I bought in the first year of a brand new
truck series. It takes a while for the after market to re-tool and catch up.

Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN--1997 Pacific Green Ford F-150 SuperCab XL, SB,
4.6L V8, 4WD, 5-speed, 3.08, VDO tachometer, LT255/70R16D BFG All-Terrain
T/A on steel, Better Built toolbox, Line-X spray-in liner, rust-proofed,
undercoated


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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:41:28 -0700
From: mvandyk catalina-inter.net (R. Michael Van Dyk)
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Oil Drain Valve

> Charles Abraham asked about part numbers for Fumoto drain valves.

I have a list of part numbers, but not an applicability chart.

My V-10 took an "F-106". Append an "N" to the part number if
you want to add the hose nipple - and it adds a couple bucks to
the price. If you call the phone number, they can advise you as to
the correct part number for your engine. (425) 869-7771

Mike



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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:17:36 EDT
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Loud truck, and other assorted problems

Hi all,
My 97 f-150 4.2L is very loud. It's embarassing to listen to it with
the windows open because it ticks, buzzes and hisses while accelerating. It
sounds mostly like an exhaust problem, not a leak, but more like there's a
bunch of loose stuff rattling around inside. Anybody else experiencing this?
It was in the shop for a catalytic convertor last week, and when I complained
of the noise, the service dept said it's normal.
Also, the darn thing has hardly any power when it's warm. I know this
is a small engine for such a big truck, but it can hardly get out of it's own
way, especially with the AC on. It is really sluggish until it reaches 25
mph (no tach.) then you can feel it take off. any suggestions on this one?
Finally, when I floored the throttle today, it stuck to the floor.
SCARY EXPERIENCE!!!! I had to put it in neutral and shut it off. I got it
un-stuck and drove home. Upon investigating, I think it may have got caught
on my floormat, but i'm not sure. I'd like to know ir there's a throttle
problem or if it's just a fluke.
Any comments or experiences with on these problems would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks

Tom Maciejewski
97 F-150 XL SC 4.2L V-6 (still love it, but it's starting to get on my nerves)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:26:09 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Loud truck, and other assorted problems

i have a 98 f-150 4.2L 5 spd. it almost has 20,000 mi on it. it is also....

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