97up-list-digest Friday, June 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 149



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Fog Lamps
RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 running rich
FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
RE: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
FTE 97up - TSB for clutch engagement PSD, new Airbox
Re: FTE 97up - Fog Lamps
Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box
RE: RE: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
FTE 97up - FTE 97up Spray-in Liner installed today
FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box
Re: FTE 97up - Oil SAE30
Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:31:51 -0400
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fog Lamps

Good morning folks,

I'm still wrestling with the best approach for fog lamps on my 99 SD. The
Ford Accessories kit are a good pair of lamps but the factory mounting
arrangement has two major flaws. First, the lamps are only 18" apart (either
side of the license plate bracket) and second, they are much too high. Fog
lamps should be within 12" off the ground plane to be most effective.

I have seen a couple of SD's that appear to have an after market air dam or
valance mounted under the bumper with fog lamps in a much better location,
i.e. wide spread and close to the ground. The two rigs I've most recently
seen appear to have this air dam or valance in the charcoal grey color that
matches the factory piece under the front bumper.

Does anyone have some insight as to who makes this air dam and if the
factory light kit could be mounted in it? It's hard to tell the diameter of
the openings as a truck passes by you!

Thanks,

Bill Suarez

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:20:29 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 running rich

Since the initial poster asked this question, I
examined my tailpipe on my 97 5.4. It's clean
as a whistle. I can hardly scrape any carbon
off the inside of the tailpipe.

Considering they want your spark plugs to last
100,000 miles, I would not want to think of the
build-up that a "less than perfect" running engine
may deposit on the plugs.

BTW, I still average 15mpg, Of course I was elated
at this coming from my 10-12mpg 351.

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> From: Jack Harrison[SMTP:harrison mhtc.net]
> Reply To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:36 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 running rich
>
> I have a F250 SD SCLB auto trans. made 7/98 with the 5.4. 14K miles so
> far.
> I have the same black tailpipe problem and I believe it is definitely
> running very rich. I can often smell raw gas before the converter lights
> up
> and even when everything is hot the exhaust smells gassy. If you know
> what
> partially oxidized hydrocarbons smell like, that is it. I believe there
> is
> some variability on this because I see my avg. MPG vary. I get as much as
> 17mpg but have been averaging around 15 since the weather warmed up. I
> can
> really feel and hear the difference in the way the engine runs when the
> mpg
> is low or high. My service manager says that it must be in spec or else
> the
> check engine light should come on. I think there is something wrong here
> and Ford owes us an explanation. Maybe the only way a 5.4 will run right
> is
> when the mixture is very rich. My '88 302 had 215K on it when I sold it
> and
> the tailpipe was always clean until the last 30K when the O2 sensor got
> sluggish in its operation.
>
> Jack Harrison
> SW Wisconsin
>
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:46:39 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

One thing that really frosts me is somebody monkeying around
with my truck. Yesterday, my 99.5 Super is parked in the lot
at work in full view of the security camera and somebody steals
the inexpensive - but nice, chrome caps off the tire valve stems.
Probably kids took them for their bikes.

I put back on the stock black plastic ones but really enjoy the
look of the chrome ones. Short of removing them each time I park,
does anyone have a solution to this petty annoyance?

Charles
99.5 F250 PSD Auto 4x4 Off-Road 3.73LSD ESOF Lariat

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:30:10 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

I have had the same thing happen a couple of times. I tighten mine on
with a pliers now. That way someone can not remove them by hand.


Mike Strukel

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From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 8:47 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance


One thing that really frosts me is somebody monkeying around
with my truck. Yesterday, my 99.5 Super is parked in the lot
at work in full view of the security camera and somebody steals
the inexpensive - but nice, chrome caps off the tire valve stems.
Probably kids took them for their bikes.

I put back on the stock black plastic ones but really enjoy the
look of the chrome ones. Short of removing them each time I park,
does anyone have a solution to this petty annoyance?

Charles
99.5 F250 PSD Auto 4x4 Off-Road 3.73LSD ESOF Lariat

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:47:27 EDT
From: JCBANVILLE aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

In a message dated 99-06-03 10:26:11 EDT, you write:


does anyone have a solution to this petty annoyance? >>

You risk the possiblity of damaging the threads on the stem, but you could
tighten them down as much as you dare. More than likely, if someone can't
twist them off by hand, they'll be pretty safe (IMHO).

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:53:52 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

At work, hmm? Have you been nice to the secretaries lately? Do you have a
couple practical jokers as workmates? In the grand scheme of things, of all
the things that someone could do to your truck, taking your little
valve-stem covers is about the most innocuous thing I can think of. Save
your "frost" for real problems.

Keith


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From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 10:29 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance


>One thing that really frosts me is somebody monkeying around
>with my truck. Yesterday, my 99.5 Super is parked in the lot
>at work in full view of the security camera and somebody steals
>the inexpensive - but nice, chrome caps off the tire valve stems.
>Probably kids took them for their bikes.
>
>I put back on the stock black plastic ones but really enjoy the
>look of the chrome ones. Short of removing them each time I park,
>does anyone have a solution to this petty annoyance?
>
>Charles
>99.5 F250 PSD Auto 4x4 Off-Road 3.73LSD ESOF Lariat
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:38:48 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

Keith wrote>? In the grand scheme of things, of all
the things that someone could do to your truck, taking your little
valve-stem covers is about the most innocuous thing I can think of. Save
your "frost" for real problems.

Ok so when they decide to come back and get bolder because they weren't
caught stealing valve stems for their bikes, what then? We buy these trucks
whole, we care for them in a passionate manner to maintain them
than others>, and when someone violates what we've paid a small fortune to
obtain
we get very irrate. Take the guy or gal who swings their car door open at
the mall and chips the lower paint on the truck. Sure it's just a small
chip or scratch so who cares? I do, it shows carelessness and lack of
respect for my property. And even if no one else will ever notice that chip
or scratch, I'll know it's there, and I'll be annoyed that someone else did
it. Yeah sure we buy these trucks to use for work, but deep down we're
proud of our truck. We may even go out and attempt to make them a bit
unique from everyone else's truck, whether it's performance or appearance.
So yeah from a personal possession point of view I can see the relevance
about getting upset when someone stoops low enough to
steal a set of chrome valve stems.

C.K.



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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:36:09 -0500
From: Todd Styles
Subject: FTE 97up - TSB for clutch engagement PSD, new Airbox

I have a '99 F250 SD, w/ PSD 6-speed. The clutch engagement happens about
1/2 inch off the floorboard. This makes it difficult sometimes to get it in
gear at stoplights and slight difficultly shifting while rolling. I did a
little research on the NHTSA and ALLDATA websites and found 2 different
TSB's (98-24-7, 99-1-6) and my local dealer referenced a 'broadcast message
11838' that suggested bleeding the slave cylinder. Can anybody give me the
information that the two TSB's suggest for fixing this problem?

I also took the truck to the dealer for the airbox replacement and they
referenced the old TSB #98-16-11 (instead of 99-6-4) and put a new airbox
on, but it looks just like the old one. They also bled the clutch slave
cylinder (per the broadcast message) but it didn't fix the clutch engagement
problem. It's frustrating to have to get all of the information before I
bring it to them for repair.

thanks, Todd.
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:24:26 -0700
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fog Lamps

Something to consider.
I have a F350 4x4 SD.

I have some Pilot low profile fog lamps mounted below the bumper,
about the location of the tow hooks.
I'm finding that a combination of lower light output, and high cab height,
I can barely notice the fog lights.

If I had 100W bulbs, or larger fog lights, the location of the lamps might
be ok. In the current situation, I'm going to have to raise the lamps at least
into the position that Ford is locating them on the SD.

I too mounted them lower based on my "traditional understanding" of
fog lamp placement. These lamps would be fine on a bronco II,
ranger or some sedan


Suarez, William wrote:

> Good morning folks,
>
> I'm still wrestling with the best approach for fog lamps on my 99 SD. The
> Ford Accessories kit are a good pair of lamps but the factory mounting
> arrangement has two major flaws. First, the lamps are only 18" apart (either
> side of the license plate bracket) and second, they are much too high. Fog
> lamps should be within 12" off the ground plane to be most effective.
>
> I have seen a couple of SD's that appear to have an after market air dam or
> valance mounted under the bumper with fog lamps in a much better location,
> i.e. wide spread and close to the ground. The two rigs I've most recently
> seen appear to have this air dam or valance in the charcoal grey color that
> matches the factory piece under the front bumper.
>
> Does anyone have some insight as to who makes this air dam and if the
> factory light kit could be mounted in it? It's hard to tell the diameter of
> the openings as a truck passes by you!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Suarez
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> William J. Suarez - mailto:wsuarez netsilicon.com
> Director of Technical Services
> NETsilicon Inc.
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.netsilicon.com/
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:30:35 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

I probably should have been more clear. Yes, you should be annoyed at
anyone disturbing your truck, without question. I know I would not like
someone stealing my chrome tire-valve caps (yes, I also purchased and put on
chrome caps). But, considering they were probably taken off by a little
7-year old brat who just happened by, I would not get gray hair or lose
sleep over it. I may have overestimated the representation of your term
"Frosted".

Keith

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From: C. K. Hartline
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance


>Keith wrote>? In the grand scheme of things, of all
>the things that someone could do to your truck, taking your little
>valve-stem covers is about the most innocuous thing I can think of. Save
>your "frost" for real problems.
>
>Ok so when they decide to come back and get bolder because they weren't
>caught stealing valve stems for their bikes, what then? We buy these
trucks
>whole, we care for them in a passionate manner to maintain them
better
>than others>, and when someone violates what we've paid a small fortune to
>obtain
>we get very irrate. Take the guy or gal who swings their car door open at
>the mall and chips the lower paint on the truck. Sure it's just a small
>chip or scratch so who cares? I do, it shows carelessness and lack of
>respect for my property. And even if no one else will ever notice that
chip
>or scratch, I'll know it's there, and I'll be annoyed that someone else did
>it. Yeah sure we buy these trucks to use for work, but deep down we're
>proud of our truck. We may even go out and attempt to make them a bit
>unique from everyone else's truck, whether it's performance or appearance.
>So yeah from a personal possession point of view I can see the relevance
>about getting upset when someone stoops low enough to
>steal a set of chrome valve stems.
>
>C.K.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:31:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box

I know this used to be on various delivery vehicles, mounted on the hub.


>
> I own a '99 F-250 S.D. 4X4 LWB 5.4L truck. This morning, I read a
> story on the
> AP News service web site that told how General motors has been placing
> a "black box" in many of there vehicles built and sold over the past
> several years. The article also stated that Ford has also installed the
> "black box" in all of their '99 vehicles. This box is supposedly
> intended to make a record of engine data, including mileage, stopping,
> starting, braking, idling, etc., along with date and time of each
> individual action. The article quoted a GM spokesman who said that the
> boxes are intended to collect data for safety research purposes only and
> are not intended to violate anyone's privacy. The article stated that
> insurance companies are using this information to determine fault in
> accident cases where there is a question of whether or not someone was
> braking, or accelerating, or whatever, in the moments prior to an
> accident. My question is: Where is this box located on my Ford truck
> and how do I disable it.
>
> Thank you in advance for any information!
>
> Dan
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:38:54 -0400
From: davesomers
Subject: RE: RE: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

I guess I don't have to worry about the strike.

My dealer called this AM to say he was looking at
my truck in his lot. It's a F350 DRW CC LWB XLT
4x4 PSD 4.10LS AUTO HDsuspension with power cloth
captains chairs, remote entry, tinted slider,
electric tow mirrors, skidplates,LPO PTO, LPO idle
control, LPO ambulance alternators.
From what I can gather, it wasn't any one of the
options that really held it up (Although DRW PSD
XLT or Lariat certainly seems to slow you down), it
was the combination of all of them. Each week one
item on the list was on hold. Next week that
would be available, but another would not be.

The original order was placed in March 1998. The
salesman and manager kept saying it was coming, but
it never showed. The salesman left the dealer in
September and I started dealing with the manager.
At this point in the game, everyone was waiting
about that long for this combination (check the
archives here), so I wasn't too suspicious. When
the manager was on vacation in October, another
salesman offered to look it up on the computer and
found that my order had a priority 80! There were
a dozen other trucks that had higher priority, all
of which had been ordered after mine, but had
higher sales prices. (The original deal was $400
over invoice) I gave them a week to push me to
priority 10 and when they didn't I cancelled my
order. [I didn't even have to ask twice to get my
"non-refundable" deposit - they handed a check to
me right there.]

I then started a quest for another fleet dealer
(so I could get my LPO options) and signed up at
the beginning of this year. I've been sitting at
priority 10 but "dirty" for a while. I got my
build date (5/3)and VIN in late April, soon after
my dealer called to ask if I wanted to cancel and
order a 2000 instead (1999 orders were closing).
The delivery date of "week of 5/17" was missed - it
has apparently been sitting 50 miles from here in
a railyard since then, but after he started a
trace, they located it and sent it his way.

He's doing the prep today and installing LoJack
tomorrow, so I'll pick it up on Saturday.
(now if I could just remember how I was going to
pay for it....)

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:58:03 -0500
From: "Don Marsee"
Subject: FTE 97up - FTE 97up Spray-in Liner installed today

I just got back from having a LINE-X bedliner installed (sprayed in.) I
watched the entire process. I was impressed with their attention to detail
which says more about the owners than the product. However, the product is
pretty impressive as well. They told me to wait a day or so before I hauled
anything real heavy; otherwise, it's ready to go. If you want a bedliner
and live within driving distance of Nashville, I highly recommend LINE-X of
Nashville. (Email me if you need a phone number.)

Add one to the "Spray-in" column for LINE-X.

Don in Nashville
'99 F-250 SuperDuty SuperCab w/ 8' box, Woodland Green, V10, 4WD ORP,
Towing Pkg. and Mirrors, ...
Additions: Chrome Nerf Bars, Line-X bedliner
Coming Additions: Tool box, Bug Deflector, Vent Visors, ...

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Becks2
Subject: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

Hey,,,,,,





14 Months,,,,,,I though my wait was long....I waited 10 months for delivery plus 2 years for them to come out. What did you order in it??????


Adry,


99 F-350
Lariat
Crew-Cab
Dullie


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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:10:49 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box

On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:52:04 -0600, you wrote:

:I own a '99 F-250 S.D. 4X4 LWB 5.4L truck. This morning, I read a
:story on the
:AP News service web site that told how General motors has been placing
:a "black box" in many of there vehicles built and sold over the past
:several years. The article also stated that Ford has also installed the
:"black box" in all of their '99 vehicles. This box is supposedly
:intended to make a record of engine data, including mileage, stopping,
:starting, braking, idling, etc., along with date and time of each
:individual action. =20

The article I read stated that both manufacturers have been putting
them in "some" of their cars/vehicles, starting fairly recently.

Also, that the devices only hold :05 -- 5 seconds -- of information
so that they can determine why a crash might have happened. The
memory only holds :05 with the new constantly shoving the old out.

They expect this to spread. . . . .=20


Later,
Alan=20
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D



:The article quoted a GM spokesman who said that the
:boxes are intended to collect data for safety research purposes only and
:are not intended to violate anyone's privacy. The article stated that
:insurance companies are using this information to determine fault in
:accident cases where there is a question of whether or not someone was
:braking, or accelerating, or whatever, in the moments prior to an
:accident. My question is: Where is this box located on my Ford truck
:and how do I disable it.
:
:Thank you in advance for any information!
:
:Dan
:
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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:12:07 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil SAE30

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:56:36 -0400, you wrote:

:IS SAE 30 weight Oil ok to use in the 4.6L engines for summer? Will it =
hurt?
:
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It's too think to give you good lubrication when you start the engine
cold.

Use whatever the manual recommends. That's probably 10w30 or 5w30,
isn't it?

Later,
Alan
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:38:02 -0700
From: Nicolas Mosaquites III
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Petty Theft Annoyance

Charles what I do is tight them with a crescent wrench and that has
seem to detour the kids from taken them.


regards nick

> One thing that really frosts me is somebody monkeying around
> with my truck. Yesterday, my 99.5 Super is parked in the lot
> at work in full view of the security camera and somebody steals
> the inexpensive - but nice, chrome caps off the tire valve stems.
> Probably kids took them for their bikes.
>
> I put back on the stock black plastic ones but really enjoy the
> look of the chrome ones. Short of removing them each time I park,
> does anyone have a solution to this petty annoyance?
>
> Charles
> 99.5 F250 PSD Auto 4x4 Off-Road 3.73LSD ESOF Lariat
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:49:12 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box

As computer memory has gotten cheaper, more of this type of thing
is happening. I can tell you that in the "big" trucks, the computer has
a *lot* of memory, in fact, it has room for years of data. I mean everything
the computer monitors, speed, RPM, all the gauge data, the whole nine
yards. No more telling your local Ford dealer that you were just driving
along in your V8 Mustang, minding your own business, when the engine
just blew up for no reason at all! They'll know, if not now, soon, what was
actually going on with your vehicle, warrantee fraud is going to be much
harder to perpetrate. The possibility also exists for the manufacturers to
defraud us with these computers, they could give it instructions to erase
data that might be useful to you in a warrantee claim. "1984" is a little
slow to arrive, but it's definitely on it's way. When OBD-3 gets here,
Katy, bar the door!

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 6/3/99 6:11:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
alannorthstar mindspring.com writes:

> On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:52:04 -0600, you wrote:
>
> :I own a '99 F-250 S.D. 4X4 LWB 5.4L truck. This morning, I read a
> :story on the
> :AP News service web site that told how General motors has been placing
> :a "black box" in many of there vehicles built and sold over the past
> :several years. The article also stated that Ford has also installed the
> :"black box" in all of their '99 vehicles. This box is supposedly
> :intended to make a record of engine data, including mileage, stopping,
> :starting, braking, idling, etc., along with date and time of each
> :individual action. =20
>
> The article I read stated that both manufacturers have been putting
> them in "some" of their cars/vehicles, starting fairly recently.....

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