97up-list-digest Thursday, June 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 148



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
RE: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
RE: FTE 97up -Potatoes in the tailpipe--or Voice of Experience?
Re: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
FTE 97up - TSB's
FTE 97up - TSB's
Re: FTE 97up - TSB's
Re: FTE 97up - TSBs - New Recall???
FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box
FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...
Re: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
RE: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...
Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...
Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...
Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...
FTE 97up - Oil SAE30
Re: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?
FTE 97up - 5.4 running rich

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:18:27 -0400
From: davesomers
Subject: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

My SuperDuty has left the factory only 14 months after I ordered it.
[this is a specialized truck and some of the LPO options combined with
dealer allotment to delay]
The good news is it left the factory the week of May 10-15. The bad news
is it was temporarily misplaced along the way. It has been located, but my
dealer is concerned about rumours of a delivery strike that may strand it
at the railyard.
Has anyone else heard about such a strike?

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:33:18 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

The truckers were still negotiating as of yesterday and I have not heard yet
what the outcome was, but to answer your question, yes, there is the
possibility of a strike.

Mike Strukel

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Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:18 AM
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Subject: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?


My SuperDuty has left the factory only 14 months after I ordered it.
[this is a specialized truck and some of the LPO options combined with
dealer allotment to delay]
The good news is it left the factory the week of May 10-15. The bad news
is it was temporarily misplaced along the way. It has been located, but my
dealer is concerned about rumours of a delivery strike that may strand it
at the railyard.
Has anyone else heard about such a strike?

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:02:45 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up -Potatoes in the tailpipe--or Voice of Experience?

>
> Hmmm...Chris this leads me to believe that you might have been a bit
> mishevious as a younger man, not that you would hold to those
> same ornery
> standards today, would you? At least you did it to a GM
> product...
> One would assume you would never do that to a Ford Truck!
>
> C.K.

its POSSIBLE i may in the past have been INVOLVED with such pranks on
unloved teachers.
that one didnt turn out quite the way it was expected.... anyway, i dont
think it would work
on larger vehicles, as the tailpipe is much larger and cant hold the potatos
as well.

it was blind stupid luck it wasnt a ford, as in those days i was 150% a GM
fan, as every one of my
fathers company cars was a P.O.S. when i was growing up. several LTD's, a
Taurus, and a thunderchicken.. all
70's and 80's vehicles. in 1986 his company switched fleet buyers to a local
chevy dealership, and all the problems
went away.. to the tune of a significant reduction in fleet downtime...

my f-150 is my first NEW ford product, and i havta say i bought it not
because of any reasearch i did, but because i really like the looks, needed
a truck and the dealer GAVE it to me.(last '98 on the lot, XLT STX, std cab
short bed, 4.2, 5 speed.. kinda a hard truck to get rid of with '99s rolling
in). I havent regretted it since, and have already ordered my '00 lightning
from the same salesperson.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:46:53 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

Dave: What "specialized" options /add-ons / customization did you get??

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: davesomers
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 8:21 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?


>My SuperDuty has left the factory only 14 months after I ordered it.
>[this is a specialized truck and some of the LPO options combined with
>dealer allotment to delay]
>The good news is it left the factory the week of May 10-15. The bad news
>is it was temporarily misplaced along the way. It has been located, but my
>dealer is concerned about rumours of a delivery strike that may strand it
>at the railyard.
>Has anyone else heard about such a strike?
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:13:09 EDT
From: BIGDAAG aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - TSB's

does anyone know of a listing for 1999 superduty TSB's and where I could find
it?
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:28:31 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - TSB's

Check this out, it may be what you're looking for:

Click here: Welcome to ALLDATA.COM!

Or if the hyperlink doesn't work for you, copy and paste this into your
browser:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com

Best Regards,
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - TSB's

Here is another one:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/recalls.html

Keith
99 SD XLT SC V10 4.30

- --- RAMWORKER aol.com wrote:
> Check this out, it may be what you're looking for:
>
> Click here:
> Welcome to ALLDATA.COM!
>
> Or if the hyperlink doesn't work for you, copy and
> paste this into your
> browser:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:06:49 -0600
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - TSBs - New Recall???

The NHTSA site at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/ is a very good source of
current (AND UPCOMING) TSBs, recalls, and other safety information.

Searching hints:

Select Recalls.
Select the year.
Select the make (for example "Ford Truck" not "Ford")
Select the model (for example "F350" See note below.)
Leave the component type blank to see all of the items it finds.

IMPORTANT: Search on ALL possible models. For example, if you have a Super
Duty F-250, select "F Super Duty" and finish the search, THEN GO BACK and
select F250 and finish the search. I noticed that not all of the Super Duty
pickup truck items were found by the "F Super Duty" search.

Is there a new recall coming up???

An F250 (and F350) search showed a recall labeled NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number:
99V093000 regarding the fuel tank assembly. It says that owner notification
will begin during May or June 1999. Anyone know anything more about this
one??? My dealer's service manager says he hasn't heard about it, at least
not yet.

Alan





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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:52:04 -0600
From: "Daniel M. Richmeier"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up black box

I own a '99 F-250 S.D. 4X4 LWB 5.4L truck. This morning, I read a
story on the
AP News service web site that told how General motors has been placing
a "black box" in many of there vehicles built and sold over the past
several years. The article also stated that Ford has also installed the
"black box" in all of their '99 vehicles. This box is supposedly
intended to make a record of engine data, including mileage, stopping,
starting, braking, idling, etc., along with date and time of each
individual action. The article quoted a GM spokesman who said that the
boxes are intended to collect data for safety research purposes only and
are not intended to violate anyone's privacy. The article stated that
insurance companies are using this information to determine fault in
accident cases where there is a question of whether or not someone was
braking, or accelerating, or whatever, in the moments prior to an
accident. My question is: Where is this box located on my Ford truck
and how do I disable it.

Thank you in advance for any information!

Dan

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:44:20 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...

I'm thinking of upgrading the tires on my 97 ext cab.
I currently have 255/70 on 16" rims. Now, I can easily
visualize sizes like 31X10.5 and 33x12.5, but I'm
not sure about the metric equivilent with regard to
width vs. height.

It appears my current tire measures about 29" (compressed,
on the truck) so I assume the tire I have is about 30" off
the rim. I used to run large tires on trucks long since gone
(I had 33" and 35" BFG mud terrain and 38" Swampers)
but I've mellowed and am just looking to fill the wheel well a bit
without sacrificing too much low end.

I was thinking about a 32x11.5 or metric equivalent. Can anyone
give me a breakdown (in inches) on metric sizes? Suggestions
also welcome.
BTW, I have a 5.4L with 3.55:1 diffs.

Thanks,

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:40:10 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

I just heard that the delivery drivers have reached a tentative agreement,
so it looks like the deliveries will continue.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:57:58 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...

Steve,

Tire nomenclature of 255/70/16 reveals:

1) 255 indicates 255mm tread width (divide by 25.4 for inches)
2) 70 indicates (1) sidewall height of 70% of tread width (255mm x .7)
3) 16 indicates wheel size (in inches)

Henceforth, tire diameter is calculated:

1) 255mm / 25.4 = 10.039" tread width
2) 10.039" x .7 = 7.028" sidewall height
3) 7.028" x 2 = 14.056" for (2) sidewalls
4) 14.056" + 16" = 30.056" tire diameter

The tires you visualize bear traditional measurements, which mean exactly
what they say:

1) 31 x 10.5 indicates 31" diameter, 10.5" wide
2) 33 x 12.5 indicates 33" diameter, 12.5" wide
3) 32 x 11.5 indicates 32" diameter, 11.5" wide (metric equivalent would be
LT295/70/16 if such a size exists)

This is how I understand it... if I am off base, please advise.

Regards,
Mark

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M.
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 3:44 PM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...


I'm thinking of upgrading the tires on my 97 ext cab.
I currently have 255/70 on 16" rims. Now, I can easily
visualize sizes like 31X10.5 and 33x12.5, but I'm
not sure about the metric equivilent with regard to
width vs. height.

It appears my current tire measures about 29" (compressed,
on the truck) so I assume the tire I have is about 30" off
the rim. I used to run large tires on trucks long since gone
(I had 33" and 35" BFG mud terrain and 38" Swampers)
but I've mellowed and am just looking to fill the wheel well a bit
without sacrificing too much low end.

I was thinking about a 32x11.5 or metric equivalent. Can anyone
give me a breakdown (in inches) on metric sizes? Suggestions
also welcome.
BTW, I have a 5.4L with 3.55:1 diffs.

Thanks,

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
mailto:smdamelio cvs.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cvs.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:58:08 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...

Hi Steve,

This is real easy, here's an example of how it's done.
You currently have 255/70R16 tires, let's compute your
size.

255 mm divided by 25.4 mm (the metric equivalent of 1") =10.04"

this is the height in inches of your sidewall before we
consider the aspect ratio of 70, or . 7

10.04" X . 7 = 7.03"

Now we have your actual sidewall height, but there are
two sidewall heights to consider, therefore:

7.03" x 2 = 14.06"

now that we've got the sidewall height, we need to add
the rim diameter.

14.06" + 16" = 30.06"

Now that we've computed your tire height, what does it actually mean?
In reality, not a lot. The tire manufacturers are allowed a 7% variance
from the mathematically derived size and still call it by that designation.
In general, and this in general statement is important, the larger the tire
manufacturer, the closer they will stay to the computed size and vice versa.

I've been looking for tires for my old truck this week, I wanted a 32" or 33"
by 10.50 tire, but the only one I was able to find without a lot of effort and
hanging around four wheel drive shops (Too much temptation there) was a
Swamper TSL, and at $159.00 each, I quickly lost interest. So now I'm
going with a Goodyear GSA 31x10.5,but it's not really a 31" tire, Goodyear
lists it at 30.5," and at less then $100.00
each, I'm getting those, close enough to suit me.

Here's an example of a tire manufacturer going the other way on size.
Michelin 245/70R19.5 computes out at 33" tall, but is actually 33.5,"
now that's not a big discrepancy, but it's enough that it might spoil your
plans, so always check the catalog before purchasing your tires.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 6/2/99 1:51:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, SMDamelio cvs.com
writes:

> I'm thinking of upgrading the tires on my 97 ext cab.
> I currently have 255/70 on 16" rims. Now, I can easily
> visualize sizes like 31X10.5 and 33x12.5, but I'm
> not sure about the metric equivilent with regard to
> width vs. height.
>
> It appears my current tire measures about 29" (compressed,
> on the truck) so I assume the tire I have is about 30" off
> the rim. I used to run large tires on trucks long since gone
> (I had 33" and 35" BFG mud terrain and 38" Swampers)
> but I've mellowed and am just looking to fill the wheel well a bit
> without sacrificing too much low end.
>
> I was thinking about a 32x11.5 or metric equivalent. Can anyone
> give me a breakdown (in inches) on metric sizes? Suggestions
> also welcome.
> BTW, I have a 5.4L with 3.55:1 diffs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve D'Amelio
> Systems Administrator
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:47:02 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...

ok so explain to me how this would work with 60 series and 50 series tires
cus I guarantee you aren't gonna convince me a 255/60R/16 or 255/50R/16 is
10.039 inches wide on either tread...something's not right or I need a
better explanation to make this work with my experience with tires...it has
been my experience that the smaller the series ie: "50" the wider the
tire...

C.K.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:49:02 -0700
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...

visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/size.htm that explains it a
little better. I got that link about a year ago from a member on thelist
and still use it when I need a refresher course :).

Matt
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From: C. K. Hartline
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - never learned the metric system...


>ok so explain to me how this would work with 60 series and 50 series tires
>cus I guarantee you aren't gonna convince me a 255/60R/16 or 255/50R/16 is
>10.039 inches wide on either tread...something's not right or I need a
>better explanation to make this work with my experience with tires...it has
>been my experience that the smaller the series ie: "50" the wider the
>tire...
>
>C.K.
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:56:36 -0400
From: "Anthony Ciarfello"
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil SAE30

IS SAE 30 weight Oil ok to use in the 4.6L engines for summer? Will it hurt?

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:05:24 -0500
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ? Delivery Strike ?

The strike was a no-brainer, no cost to the manufacturer. The buyer has
always paid the cost.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:36:29 -0500
From: "Jack Harrison"
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 running rich

I have a F250 SD SCLB auto trans. made 7/98 with the 5.4. 14K miles so far.
I have the same black tailpipe problem and I believe it is definitely
running very rich. I can often smell raw gas before the converter lights up
and even when everything is hot the exhaust smells gassy. If you know what
partially oxidized hydrocarbons smell like, that is it. I believe there is
some variability on this because I see my avg. MPG vary. I get as much as
17mpg but have been averaging around 15 since the weather warmed up. I can
really feel and hear the difference in the way the engine runs when the mpg....


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