97up-list-digest Monday, May 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 145



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Drop-In vs Spray Liners
RE: FTE 97up - Superduty problems, 351 Windsor
Re: FTE 97up - Drop-In vs Spray Liners
FTE 97up - F150 4.2L quick question
Re: FTE 97up - F150 4.2L quick question
Re: FTE 97up - Drop-In vs Spray Liners
Re: FTE 97up - quick question
FTE 97up - Re: Steering damper
FTE 97up - a little towing question
FTE 97up - ADMIN: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 06:49:15 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Drop-In vs Spray Liners

I had the bed of my '97 F250HD (old style) done by Rhino in March 1997, so
I now have over two years of experience with it. I don't recall Line-X
being an option for me at the time; are they fairly new? Or maybe at the
time I could not find a Line-X franchise locally (southern New England), I
can't recall.

Anyway, after two years I remain extremely pleased with the Rhino. The
heavily textured surface is very grippy, and I found immediately that it
was tough to slide in large, heavy objects (like 8' firewood logs for
example). So I threw in a sheet of 1/2" plywood "temporarily" - that
remains there to this day. Of course now the plywood is bearing the brunt
of the abuse ;) When it falls apart in another couple years I'll spend
another $15 and my bedliner will still be *perfect*.


Regards,
Steve O.

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:22:28 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superduty problems, 351 Windsor

At 08:26 AM 5/28/99 -0500, you wrote:

>On a side note, I have a 351 Windsor in my car...
>We should probably move this discussion
>to another forum, since I think all the 97-up trucks use Tritons or PSDs.

Not exactly. I have a '97 F250HD which is the old-style truck and it's
powered by the old-style 351. Maybe Ken would like to comment here, as I
do tend to agree that the INTENT of the "97up" list is to discuss the
newest offerings, and my truck's model-year merely represents an exception.
I like the "97up" discussion of the new stuff since I know I'll be owning
it someday. I keep meaning to also join the 80-96 list since this is
really where my truck belongs.

Best regards,
Steve O.

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:53:41 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Drop-In vs Spray Liners

I looked at the Rhino Liner at a dealer in Taunton, MA but wasn't too
impressed by the looks compared to LineX. I ended up going with a Scorpion
liner because it was similar to Rhino and the dealer seemed more reliable.
Big mistake. The Scorpion took a long time to fully "cure" and I damaged it
four days later when I was putting my fifth wheel hitch in. The repair is
crappy looking. I didn't go with the LineX at the time because my
converstions with the installers led me to believe that they were operating
on a shoe string and I wasn't sure they'd be around if I had a problem. I
wish I had gone with LineX.
There are LineX dealers in Plymouth, MA and Johnston, RI now if you ever
want to check them out. They probably weren't around in '67.

At 06:49 AM 5/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I had the bed of my '97 F250HD (old style) done by Rhino in March 1997, so
>I now have over two years of experience with it. I don't recall Line-X
>being an option for me at the time; are they fairly new? Or maybe at the
>time I could not find a Line-X franchise locally (southern New England), I
>can't recall.


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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:38:23 -0400
From: "Pete Elliott"
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 4.2L quick question

Dan (in Denver),

Mine's a 1999 F150 4.2L 2wd. Rear gears are 3.05:1, which was standard. I
only have about 4000 miles, but have also noticed that the thing seems to
run better and better. Can't tell if it really runs better, or if I'm just
liking it more and more. If it is really getting more power with increased
distance, it'll really be something at 100,000 miles!! I haven't towed
anything with it, but I have loaded it up a few times, and it always handles
the weight just fine. It's not a Super Duty :) but I never wanted it to
be.

- - Pete

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:57:33 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 4.2L quick question

my truck 98 f-150 4.2l 5spd tranny, i have loaded it down alot too and it ran
great. i hauled some dirt for my father in law last august, my half ton
pickup truck was loaded with a ton of dirt and it still sat relatively level.
tires didn't bulge very much, it seemed like it could have taken more load
than we put on it.

also, since i have the manual tranny, it can't tow as much, how much has
anone else towed with the same configuration as my truck??

Bill
Ccdolf aol.com
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:46:03 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Drop-In vs Spray Liners

Whoops, make that "they probably weren't around in '97".


At 08:53 AM 5/30/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I looked at the Rhino Liner at a dealer in Taunton, MA but wasn't too
>impressed by the looks compared to LineX. I ended up going with a Scorpion
>liner because it was similar to Rhino and the dealer seemed more reliable.
>Big mistake. The Scorpion took a long time to fully "cure" and I damaged it
>four days later when I was putting my fifth wheel hitch in. The repair is
>crappy looking. I didn't go with the LineX at the time because my
>converstions with the installers led me to believe that they were operating
>on a shoe string and I wasn't sure they'd be around if I had a problem. I
>wish I had gone with LineX.
>There are LineX dealers in Plymouth, MA and Johnston, RI now if you ever
>want to check them out. They probably weren't around in '67.
>
>At 06:49 AM 5/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I had the bed of my '97 F250HD (old style) done by Rhino in March 1997, so
>>I now have over two years of experience with it. I don't recall Line-X
>>being an option for me at the time; are they fairly new? Or maybe at the
>>time I could not find a Line-X franchise locally (southern New England), I
>>can't recall.
>
>
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>

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:10:59 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - quick question

My V-10 ('99 F-350 SuperDuty / 4X4 / SC / LWB / 3.73LS) certainly seems to
have gain power and the ability to rev "quickly" since it was new (it is 5
months and 1,500 miles old, it does not get used much yet, I am looking for
a '67 Firebird project car to fix-up w/396 Chevy engine, etc., and then I
will have something to tow). I have heard that the V-10 really gains a lot
of power (compared to other Triton engines), and it seems so. However, that
is only according to my "butt-dyno". I plan to take it to the same place I
took the '98 Expedition 5.4L to get dynoed.

Keith

PS. The steering damper (shock-absorber) in the steering linkage works to
dampen the effects of ruts, rocks, curbs (in snow), and other external
sources of tire-pushing items. If your tires are big enough, the effective
level-length that a rock has when you hit it just so can twist the steering
wheel right out of your hand. The steering damper absorbs that sudden
twisting motion so by the time you are past the rock, you don't even know
you hit it. However, they do have a downside. I was driving in Virginia on
a snow-packed road in my old '83 pickup (4X4) when the back end started to
slip down into the ditch due to the rather steep road crown. I immediately
went to counter steer because I only had a second to save it. I tried to
quickly twirl the steering wheel to the right (into the skid) but I could
barely accomplish that because I was fighting the steering damper. That
really taught me that they are a 2-edged sword!




- -----Original Message-----
From: Ccdolf aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 7:59 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - quick question


>to anyone who has a 98 f-150 4x2 reg cab 4.2L v-6 5 spd tranny. my
>truck is just this weekend 1 yr old. it has about 19000 mi on it. it runs
>great, just like all ford trucks do. it seems to have gotten more power
with
>the more miles i put on it. i'm no expert engine mechanic (just know the
>basics), but is that supposed to happen. it's geared 3.55:1, i think so
>anyway. i haven't towed with it yet, soon will though.
>it just seems to have alot more power than it used to.
>if anyone has any comments or ideas to enlighten me, i would greatly
>appreciate it.
>
>Bill
>Ccdolf aol.com
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:22:29 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Steering damper

Trucks that have the "Off Road" package get the steering damper. I think it
also comes with the heavy service suspension package. It's not listed in
any of the option printouts.

Nathan Bernard

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel M. Richmeier
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - quick question


> I have a '99 F-250 Super Duty Super Cab 4X4 5.4L. I've noticed that
> other similar trucks have a "shock absorber" type thing mounted
> horizontally on the front suspension. My truck does not have this part,
> although the metal mounting brackets for the part are present.
>
> Should I have this item on my suspension?
>
> Thanks in advance for any input!
>
> Dan in Denver
>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:29:11 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - a little towing question

i have the 98 f-150 4.2 5 spd tranny, if anyone has towed with this truck,
what is the max weight that you felt comfortable with towing??
i am thinking of getting a flatbed trailer(dual axle), and possibly a boat.

Bill
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 03:09:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce the following:

1. A new International Ford truck club, the Association of
Ford Truck Enthusiasts, has been formed. This club is an
independent non-profit club that has a license agreement
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for its members.

The club has many benefits:

Lots of web space provided for the members (5 or 10 meg
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Go to the web site for more information.

2. New chat. This chat engine should knock your socks off!
No registration is required, very easy to use and incredibly
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3. New bulletin board system. This system is a professional,
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7. New articles added to the web site Tech Articles.

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95% of the new site is complete and a few minor additions will be
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Let me know what you think and please report any problems.
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