97up-list-digest Friday, May 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 142



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far
Re: FTE 97up - Bad news
RE: FTE 97up - Gears was 99.5 PSD - Straight Exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
RE: FTE 97up - My 351
Re: FTE 97up - Manual hubs
FTE 97up - New Superduty
RE: FTE 97up - Manual hubs
FTE 97up - please explain torque rating -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a Good Choice for Trucks" -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
FTE 97up - My 351
RE: FTE 97up - My 351
FTE 97up - Lightning engine. Was: My 351
FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD Straight pipe
RE: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD Straight pipe
Re: FTE 97up - New Superduty
RE: FTE 97up - Lightning engine. Was: My 351 - oops
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far
FTE 97up - help with driveline noise and dealer
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far
Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular Engines "Good Choice for Trucks?"
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far
FTE 97up - Where to Purchase Mobil Delvac Synthetic?
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
RE: FTE 97up - New Superduty
FTE 97up - SIGNAL MIRROR FOR SUPER DUTY
RE: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a Good Choice for Trucks"-Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - My 351
FTE 97up - opinions about the power sliding rear window

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:10:31 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far

For those of you with new Superduties, what kind of problems have you had
so far?

I am at 2500miles and have a few issues so far, although nothing serious.

1. The front right leaf springs squeak horribly. Ford is supposed to
have a fix for that shortly.
2. The dash squeaks where the passenger side air bad is housed.
3. The brake squeal when I initialy put them on. This does not surprise
me since I have had brake problems with ever Ford I have owned.
4. I have a rumble which seems to show up at about 50 - 60mph when I am
accelerating slightly. Not sure what this is yet. It may be a
drive shaft out of balance, bad rear U Joint, or tranny? Anyone
else experience this?


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD SC V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:05:02 -0400
From: "John Luft"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bad news

A guy on the RV list has a 99 PSD and had a similar problem (he was towing
at the time). Here is the text of his message:

>They decided front seal was gone, pump locked up (not necessarily in
> that order) and the tranny was toast. Now it gets really interesting.
> You owners of '99's listen up. There are NO R4100 transmissions in
> Ford's spare parts system for any of the '99's. They say they will have
> to go to the vendor that makes the tranny's for Ford and get one---week
> to 10 days!!!!

Not sure about the availability of the R4100 but this guy was not a happy
camper!


>>> Joseph Veres wrote:
When I called the dealer this morning to find out what they found out, I
was advised that when the transmission man took out the truck for a test
run, the tranny "crapped out" on him and they had to tow the truck back
to the dealer!


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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:14 -0400
From: "jim schang"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Gears was 99.5 PSD - Straight Exhaust

Nathan: Do you feel the difference in towing performance and fuel mileage
would justify changing a 4:10 rear end to 3:73. My SD Diesel pulls my
12,500 # trailer fine but the fuel mileage is not wonderful.

jim

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> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 9:01 AM
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> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD - Straight Exhaust
>
>
> It's questionable if it would be quiet enough to keep you out of trouble.
> We've got several of the old style Power Strokes running around with
> straight pipes and their fairly loud but not like a gas engine. They are
> loud enough that if a cop felt like it he could probably ticket you. I
> wouldn't expect much of a performance increase. I'd try the chip and see
> what happens (Get a pyrometer, though). As for gears the 3.73 (from my
> experience) will out pull the 4.10 so I sell 95% of the Diesels with 3.73
> (3.55 on older trucks).
>
> Nathan
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:04:43 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351

Put a SuperCharger on it.

Keith


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Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:23 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - My 351


>After reading all this I am starting to think that the 351 Windsors are
>pretty tough. What is wrong with mine? Yesterday I got beat off the line
by
>a Honda civic! That really chafes me. I put it to the floor, but it
barely
>responded. My brother had a 79 F-150 with a 351 that could turn circles
on
>the pavement. What is wrong with my truck? the only way I can get the
>wheels to chirp is by taking a corner too fast. It accelerates so slow I
>want to jerk the wheel into a g** d*** bridge embunkment! What could be
>wrong? I MUST HAVE MORE POWER!
>
>Power Hungry,
>
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:22:39 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My 351

What year is your 351? Is it injected or carburated?
What's your gear ratio/tire size?

If your brother had a 351 in a 79, chances are it
was a 351M (modified) which, BTW, were real dogs,
Although they had lots of torque.

If your truck is carbed, and you really want to invest
in some HP, putting on an Edelbrock intake, a
cam change, and a little head work can really wake up
a Windsor. I got one to dyno over 400ft/lbs and 380HP
without spending a fortune. But you better have an
alternate source for inspection stickers :)

Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - My 351
>
> After reading all this I am starting to think that the 351 Windsors are
> pretty tough. What is wrong with mine? Yesterday I got beat off the line
> by
> a Honda civic! That really chafes me. I put it to the floor, but it
> barely
> responded. My brother had a 79 F-150 with a 351 that could turn circles
> on
> the pavement. What is wrong with my truck? the only way I can get the
> wheels to chirp is by taking a corner too fast. It accelerates so slow I
> want to jerk the wheel into a g** d*** bridge embunkment! What could be
> wrong? I MUST HAVE MORE POWER!
>
> Power Hungry,
>
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:40:32 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Manual hubs

Occasionally, with my ESOF, I manually lock the hubs and drive in 2-wheel
drive just for "circulation". Or in temps below -20 right out the garage door.

As far as what is an "appropriate speed" to shift into 4-wheel-high, the manual says

one thing but in real life it can be much higher.

Charles.
99.5 F250 PSD SC SB Auto 4x4 Off-Road 3.73LSD ESOF Lariat

johny wrote:

> Sure can. You will probably notice some additional road noise, but not much.
> Does it cause additional wear? Sure, but not enough to be real concerned.
>
> Karaus, Dick wrote:
>
> > I will be ordering '00 F250 SD XLT 4x4 SB this summer. I would like to
> > order the manual hubs and not the shift-on-fly. My question is can I lock
> > the hubs in and drive on the street or highway (with transfer case in 2WD)
> > and shift into 4 wheel drive via the shift handle to the transfer case
> > whenever I need 4WD (at the appropriate speed, of course)? Thanks.
> >
> > Dick
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:46:54 -0500
From: "Don Marsee"
Subject: FTE 97up - New Superduty

Hello all,
I picked up my new truck last night. I ordered it on 4/16, so I am pleased
with the timely delivery. It's an F-250 XLT SD SC 8' box 4WD V10 Woodland
Green. As of my drive to work today, I have 71 miles on it. Nothing is
squeaking or acting quirky yet. This list will be the first to know if
anything comes up.

There are a few accessories that I "need" to add. So I'm looking for input.

Spray-in bed-liner or drop-in?
I've heard that some drop-ins are coming with extra "liners" to go between
the bed-liner and the truck bed. The extra liners are adhesive and made of
strips foam rubber (or similar material) and designed to be placed in
strategic points around the truck bed. This would help reduce noise and
prevent the bed-liner from moving (vibrating) which can cause scratches
which lead to rust...
The spray-in's are great but are they worth the $$?

Nerf bar type steps or running boards? Chrome or black?
I'm back and forth on this one.

Down the road I plan to install a K&N filter and maybe a chip and maybe a
different exhaust and maybe other items I read about on this list.

Thanks to all the list-members for the great info found here. I'm an infant
(maybe toddler) as far owning a truck is concerned and can use all of the
help this list offers.

Thanks
Don in Nashville

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:03:55 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Manual hubs

know tho that by locking your hubs in and driving in 2wd puts reverse strain
on your front diffs, ie, the wheels turning the ring/pinion as opposed to
the driveshaft. this can be very bad if you have a Limited slip or locker up
there, and *** will *** cause increased wear on your gears. the gears are
designed with the stregnth in the forward direction.. and will wear
irregularly when driven locked/2wd, and there is the potential for bindage,
although ive never seen it.

also, though i dont know the xfer case in the fords, i DO know that the dana
300, dana 20, nv241, nv242 NP205 and NP208 xfer cases all recommend NOT
driving locked in 2wd for highway driving. something to do with lubrication
and cut of the gears.



> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of johny
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 5:32 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Manual hubs
>
>
> Sure can. You will probably notice some additional road
> noise, but not much.
> Does it cause additional wear? Sure, but not enough to be
> real concerned.
>
> Living near the ocean in ca, I don't need to do this, but
> folks in alaska, or
> other areas where the weather is more severe, lock in
> november and unlock in
> april.
>
> Driving with the hubs locked *and* 4Hi engaged is a different
> issues altogether.
>
> I'll assume you know that's not recommended in high traction
> street usage.
>
>
> Karaus, Dick wrote:
>
> > I will be ordering '00 F250 SD XLT 4x4 SB this summer. I
> would like to
> > order the manual hubs and not the shift-on-fly. My
> question is can I lock
> > the hubs in and drive on the street or highway (with
> transfer case in 2WD)
> > and shift into 4 wheel drive via the shift handle to the
> transfer case
> > whenever I need 4WD (at the appropriate speed, of course)? Thanks.
> >
> > Dick
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:15:27 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - please explain torque rating -Reply

Torque is easily explained with a wrench and a bolt. Put the wrench on the bolt or nut and push on the end of the
wrench with your hand to begin turning the bolt. The torque is the force exerted on the end of the wrench multiplied
by the length of the wrench. So if you push on a 2 ft long wrench with 10 pounds of force you get a torque of 20 ft
lbs on the bolt. The obvious fact that quickly jumps out at you is that there are two ways to increase torque, puch
harder or get a longer wrench. Engine torque is measured the opposite way the engine turns a big flywheel and the
force needed to keep the engine "braked" to a constant rpm gives the torque at a given rpm.

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:32:11 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a Good Choice for Trucks" -Reply -Reply

>Wow
>
>Coming from a ford site and a ford employee this is a pretty damming

Ken Payne wrote
>Its an interview with a Ford employee. It is NOT a Ford site.

Ken this deserves a major flame but I will resist and only aquiese that "BLUEOVALNEWS.com, Information for the
Ford Enthuiast" is not a ford related site at all. I am so sorry for giving the impression that this article has any
legitimacy since it was only written by Ford haters who are out to discredit the ford motor company which never
makes errors or compromises in designing and building the Sacred Ford Truck which must not be critisized on this
list.


George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:23:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351

>
> Put a SuperCharger on it.
>
> Keith

I wonder what type of supercharger Ford is using for their Lightning, because
there seem to be two good brands available for the 5.4L -- Paxton, and
Vortech.

I wonder if there is a good truck performance place in Austin that is
worth checking out.
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:30:49 -0500
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - My 351

I'm pretty sure it is a roots type by Eaton.

similar to the ones used in the 3.8l T-bird SC

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:43:31 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - My 351

i think its the eaton... the 5.4 litre that is used in the lightning is
quite a bit different than the 5.4 in the stock trucks.

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Douglas R. Floyd
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:24 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351
>
>
> >
> > Put a SuperCharger on it.
> >
> > Keith
>
> I wonder what type of supercharger Ford is using for their
> Lightning, because
> there seem to be two good brands available for the 5.4L -- Paxton, and
> Vortech.
>
> I wonder if there is a good truck performance place in Austin that is
> worth checking out.
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:44:53 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lightning engine. Was: My 351

> i think its the eaton... the 5.4 litre that is used in the lightning is
> quite a bit different than the 5.4 in the stock trucks.

That is not correct. The Lightning engine is almost identical to the 5.4
used on the F-150 and Expedition. The only difference in the "long block" is
different forged pistons to handle the boost and lower the compression
(stock is hypereutectic). The block is the same, as are the rods, crank,
heads, cams, and exhaust manifolds. The major difference is found on the
intake side, where the stock intake is replaced with a lower intake that
houses the intercooler. On top of that is the Eaton supercharger (with 8lb
pulley) with a computer-controlled bypass like that found on the T-bird SC.
I wonder if this supercharger setup will ever come out in kit form. It would
seem to be superior in overall reliability than the aftermarket kits.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:57:03 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD Straight pipe

Thanks to all for the response on possibly trying a straight pipe on my =
99.5 PSD. I have looked at the Banks straight through muffler and like =
what I see. I have one ordered. BTW why would it be neccessary to use a =
pyrometer if you change the exhaust system? I was assuming the computer =
would control the fuel delivery to limit the maximum exhaust temp.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:20:32 -0700
From: "Kevin Mayer"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD Straight pipe

I just ordered the Banks Stinger kit and look forward to giving it a try. I
can't think of any reason the pyro would be necessary with just the muffler,
but its always a good thing to have. I actually decided I wanted to get a
pyro and boost gauge first, and then decided that since the banks kit came
with both of those, and a downpipe that had the pyro fitting, I would just
do the whole thing at once.

Kevin

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Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 11:57 AM
To: '97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 97up - 99.5 PSD Straight pipe


Thanks to all for the response on possibly trying a straight pipe on my 99.5
PSD. I have looked at the Banks straight through muffler and like what I
see. I have one ordered. BTW why would it be neccessary to use a pyrometer
if you change the exhaust system? I was assuming the computer would control
the fuel delivery to limit the maximum exhaust temp.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:22:39 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New Superduty

In a message dated 5/27/99 9:48:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
DonMarsee home.com writes:


Hello all,
I picked up my new truck last night. I ordered it on 4/16, so I am pleased
with the timely delivery. It's an F-250 XLT SD SC 8' box 4WD V10 Woodland
Green. As of my drive to work today, I have 71 miles on it. Nothing is
squeaking or acting quirky yet. This list will be the first to know if
anything comes up.

There are a few accessories that I "need" to add. So I'm looking for input.

- -I have had both, spray-in Rhino is the only way to go.


Spray-in bed-liner or drop-in?
I've heard that some drop-ins are coming with extra "liners" to go between
the bed-liner and the truck bed. The extra liners are adhesive and made of
strips foam rubber (or similar material) and designed to be placed in
strategic points around the truck bed. This would help reduce noise and
prevent the bed-liner from moving (vibrating) which can cause scratches
which lead to rust...
The spray-in's are great but are they worth the $$?


- -I had the same dillema, why pay 300 for Chrome nerfs, when black are like
160-180. I got my black ones about 3 mon ago from Cabelas, they are holding
up great.

Nerf bar type steps or running boards? Chrome or black?
I'm back and forth on this one.


- -let me know when your ready for exhaust , i can point you in the right
direction


Down the road I plan to install a K&N filter and maybe a chip and maybe a
different exhaust and maybe other items I read about on this list.

Thanks to all the list-members for the great info found here. I'm an infant
(maybe toddler) as far owning a truck is concerned and can use all of the
help this list offers.

Thanks
Don i >>
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:36:05 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Lightning engine. Was: My 351 - oops

according to ford, SVT, you are absolutely correct.
for 1999, the 5.4 litre was redesigned, and is different than in 1998, which
I own (i have the 4.2, but was looking at the 5.4... and have the specs for)
the '98 5.4 and the '00 lightning(which I ordered three weeks ago) are very
different engines.



>
> > i think its the eaton... the 5.4 litre that is used in the
> lightning is
> > quite a bit different than the 5.4 in the stock trucks.
>
> That is not correct. The Lightning engine is almost identical
> to the 5.4
> used on the F-150 and Expedition. The only difference in the
> "long block" is
> different forged pistons to handle the boost and lower the compression
> (stock is hypereutectic). The block is the same, as are the
> rods, crank,
> heads, cams, and exhaust manifolds. The major difference is
> found on the
> intake side, where the stock intake is replaced with a lower
> intake that
> houses the intercooler. On top of that is the Eaton
> supercharger (with 8lb
> pulley) with a computer-controlled bypass like that found on
> the T-bird SC.
> I wonder if this supercharger setup will ever come out in kit
> form. It would
> seem to be superior in overall reliability than the aftermarket kits.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:35:42 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far

Hi Mike,
"So far" I've had no problems at all....

Vaughn





have you had so far?

I am at 2500miles and have a few issues so far, although
nothing serious.

1. The front right leaf springs squeak horribly. Ford is
supposed to have a fix for that shortly. 2. The dash squeaks
where the passenger side air bad is housed. 3. The brake
squeal when I initialy put them on. This does not surprise me
since I have had brake problems with ever Ford I have owned. 4.
I have a rumble which seems to show up at about 50 - 60mph
when I am accelerating slightly. Not sure what this is yet.
It may be a
drive shaft out of balance, bad rear U Joint, or
tranny? Anyone
else experience this?


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD SC V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:32:04 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far

I have a few very small imperfections in the paint job that I am the only
one who sees; PSD turbo not as fast as when the weather was cooler;
small tear in carpet on passenger side, but aside from those nothing else.

Mileage keeps climbing, now about 19.3 mpgs. Smooth riding and after
diesel warm-ups, pretty quiet too. I'd rate Ford quality on my truck a 9.

Charles.

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> "So far" I've had no problems at all....
>
> Vaughn
>
>
> have you had so far?
>
> I am at 2500miles and have a few issues so far, although
> nothing serious.
>
> 1. The front right leaf springs squeak horribly. Ford is
> supposed to have a fix for that shortly. 2. The dash squeaks
> where the passenger side air bad is housed. 3. The brake
> squeal when I initialy put them on. This does not surprise me
> since I have had brake problems with ever Ford I have owned. 4.
> I have a rumble which seems to show up at about 50 - 60mph
> when I am accelerating slightly. Not sure what this is yet.
> It may be a
> drive shaft out of balance, bad rear U Joint, or
> tranny? Anyone
> else experience this?
>
> Mike Strukel
> 99 F250 SD SC V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:35:40 EDT
From: BIGDAAG aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - help with driveline noise and dealer

Hi everyone, I need some help with a noise I have in my trucks front end.
It's a 99 superduty 250 v-10 with an auto trans. What happens, is when I
shift into reverse or drive, there is a loud CLUNK in the front end when the
tranny
engages
I took it in to the dealer and he said it was because I put a lift kit
on the truck. When I told him the noise was there even before the lift, and
that his service department installed the lift, his story changed. Now he
was telling me this is normal and not to worry. Well, I am worried. Has
anyone else had this problem, or Know what might be causing it?
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Keith Privratsky
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far

A fuel tank sending unit failure is the only thing
I've had so far.

Keith
99 SD V10 4.30
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Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:00:39 -0600
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular Engines "Good Choice for Trucks?"

Hello list members,

I'm curious. Did anyone see any mention of the credentials, position, expertise, or experience of the second person who was being
interviewed in the article (who apparently made the negative comments)? According to the Internet article, this person was "another
Ford powertrain employee." Maybe that person was highly experienced and knowledgeable, but I couldn't tell from the article. Did I
miss something?

While the article is interesting and worth considering, I'm more impressed with results than opinions in a case like this, and so
far, I haven't seen evidence of any problems that would put me off---at least not yet.

Personally, I wouldn't panic about using modular engines in trucks. My perception (so far) is that they have a very good
reliability history (and reliability projections), judging from a combination of consumer reports and anecdotal evidence, not to
mention some awards. Service people I've spoken with seem to like them, including a seasoned dealer mechanic whom I was chatting
with the other day who just bought a new V10.

I've heard that some changes were made to the V10 during the late '99 model production, but I don't have the details. And I don't
know if these changes apply to all of the modular engines or just the V10. Does anyone on this list have more data on these
changes?

Speaking of V10s, it wasn't really clear to me if the comments in the article were referring to ALL of the variants of the modular
engines. It seemed to concentrate on the 4.6L, except for a mention by Huston that the "new Triton V8 will tow more..." in which
case I assume he was talking about the 5.4L.

I don't have the specs for bearing shell width or journal diameter in front of me, but isn't the main bearing journal diameter on
the modular engines larger than on the old and reliable 351? I don't know about the modular's con rod bearing ID, nor do I know how
their bearing shell widths compare. In terms of bearing size requirements, there are other factors that must be considered, such
as block and crank rigidity, oiling system characteristics, vibration patterns, inertial changes and forces, presence or absence of
oiling grooves in bearings (that affect actual bearing surface area), etc.

>From what I've seen, I rather like the modular block design and the fact that it has a steel crank, and I would "guess" that for
the vast majority of modular engine applications, even in trucks, the engine would just plain wear out from long-term use before
you'd see a bottom-end failure. Of course, no matter what kind of engine you have, if you don't operate it or maintain it within
recommended parameters, you could end up with problems.

In trucks, I'm speculating that there may be an advantage to going with larger modular engines in terms of longevity, as there may
be less of a tendency to lug the engine due to the vehicle slowing down and running out of power in certain situations (for
example, if the driver fails to downshift soon enough, or if the driver accidentally pops the clutch). In this case, an automatic
transmission might help overcome poor driving technique, as it should automatically downshift rather than lug the engine, and you
can't exactly pop the clutch with an automatic..

Do you think that there might be some possible durability advantages to a V10 compared to a V8? Could the greater overlap of power
pulses smooth out forces and help reduce certain types of stress? Could spreading out the work load among 10 cylinders allow the
engine to do the same amount of work with lower combustion chamber pressures on any given cylinder? Are the vibration patterns
better or worse (this is a VERY complex subject)? Does anyone have any hard data on these or other factors?

Anyway, until I see more data, I'm not going to lose any sleep over the durability of the modular engines. I have a feeling that
they will prove to be a reliable powerplant series, even in trucks.

Alan



> >>> Charles Abraham 05/26/99 01:33pm >>>
> Enlightening interview with Ford's Powertrain Operations
> Vice President John Huston,
>
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:16:05 -0600
From: Alan Bowes
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far

I've been experiencing a slight, but consistent, pull to the left when I
first apply the brakes on my SD F250 4x4. It feels as though the left
caliper may be applying first. The dealer changed out the right caliper in
case it might have been hanging up, but it still pulls to the left a bit.
I'm taking it back to the dealer on Monday for more experimentation. There
are still a couple of things to check out. By the way, the wheel alignment
has been checked and all parameters are well within specifications. Anyone
else have a similar problem?

Alan


Keith Privratsky wrote:

> A fuel tank sending unit failure is the only thing
> I've had so far.
>
> Keith
> 99 SD V10 4.30
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:34:24 -0500
From: "David Moore"
Subject: FTE 97up - Where to Purchase Mobil Delvac Synthetic?

Can anyone inform me where I might purchase Mobil Delvac 1 /Synthetic/
(5W40) at retail?

Thanks,

david
dmoore dmoore.com

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:36:49 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351

How much does a supercharger cost?
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:39:43 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351

'84, carburated, i think the gear ratio is 3.05. How much would an Edelbrock
intake and cam change cost?
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:42:27 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351

How much would an Eaton supercharger cost?
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:14:02 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Problems so far

#2 Dash rattle. On rough dirt roads and very bumpy hard
surface the dash is a vibrating, rattling mess. I went to
the dealership and drove 3 other F250 on bumpy roads and
they all do it. When I get the time I'm going to line the
underside of the dash with 1/8" sheets of stick on sound
deadner.
#4 the 50 to 60 mph rumble, mines a 99 F250 V10 SD SC 2wd
and 1900 miles. When pulling a trailer weighting 9500# I
get a rumble between 30 and 60 mph can feel vibration in gas
peddle and seat. Running without the trailer I get the
rumble between 50 and 60 mph.
On the way home when I bought the F250 I blew a hole in the
transcooler, lost most of my fluid before finding it. Took
5 days to get it replaced.
Then with 100 miles on the truck the exhaust started to
rattle, pulled in to a Ford dealer and they found all the
clamps loose. I've owned a lot of Ford pickups, but this one
has been the most disappointing.

"Strukel, Mike" wrote:
>
> For those of you with new Superduties, what kind of problems have you had
> so far?
>
> I am at 2500miles and have a few issues so far, although nothing serious.
>
> 1. The front right leaf springs squeak horribly. Ford is supposed to
> have a fix for that shortly.
> 2. The dash squeaks where the passenger side air bad is housed.
> 3. The brake squeal when I initialy put them on. This does not surprise
> me since I have had brake problems with ever Ford I have owned.
> 4. I have a rumble which seems to show up at about 50 - 60mph when I am
> accelerating slightly. Not sure what this is yet. It may be a
> drive shaft out of balance, bad rear U Joint, or tranny? Anyone
> else experience this?
>
> Mike Strukel
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:11:51 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351

Typically, about $2,300 - $2,750 (parts only) to $3,500 - $4,250 (parts and
dealer installation). Dealer installation is recommended so there is no
doubt about warrentee issues.

Keith


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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My 351


>How much does a supercharger cost?
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:16:49 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New Superduty

Don,

I've had my new '99 F-150 for 4 weeks now... wasted no time in dropping in a
Rugged Liner bed liner. It is relatively stiff compared to others I
evaluated, and therefore exhibits no vibration or noise. It has a silicone
rubbery substance drizzled over the ribs for anti-slip properties. I expect
abrasion to be minimal... far less damage than a bare bed would experience.
I considered spray in, and bedrug, but cost was high. Rugged Liner was $139
installed. With the money I saved I am getting a Extang Saber tonneau cover
(no snaps)... should be in tomorrow. All I lack now is window tinting,
deflector, vent visors, and installing a powered subwoofer tube to enhance
the factory stereo (Hint: check out ubid.com, new JBL 80 watt 6 1/2"
powered bass tube... won bid on Friday 5/21 at $47 + $13.62 shipping and
received Tuesday 5/25... my installer was seriously impressed!)

I recommend nerf bars, and color would depend on your truck color. I have
black factory nerfs on my white-over-tan '98 Mitsu Montero Sport, and they
look nice without drawing a lot of attention. Looks brawny compared to
running boards. Whatever you put on, use 'em! Otherwise, expect
mud/dirt/water down the back of your pants leg when departing the vehicle!
I don't anticipate adding them to my '99 F-150 2WD, but they would certainly
be a nice touch on your BIG rig!

Regards,
Mark in Jonesboro, AR

Vitals:
'99 F-150 XL 2WD Reg Cab Flareside, Rugged Liner, Extang Saber Tonneau,
Progressive 16x8 chrome steel wrapped in Chaparral 255/70/16 rubber (ditched
the Generals and factory steel!), 4.2L V6, 5-Speed, Factory CD premium sound
augmented with JBL powered bass tube, 1100 trouble free miles!

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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Don Marsee
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 8:47 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - New Superduty


Hello all,
I picked up my new truck last night. I ordered it on 4/16, so I am pleased
with the timely delivery. It's an F-250 XLT SD SC 8' box 4WD V10 Woodland
Green. As of my drive to work today, I have 71 miles on it. Nothing is
squeaking or acting quirky yet. This list will be the first to know if
anything comes up.

There are a few accessories that I "need" to add. So I'm looking for input.

Spray-in bed-liner or drop-in?
I've heard that some drop-ins are coming with extra "liners" to go between
the bed-liner and the truck bed. The extra liners are adhesive and made of
strips foam rubber (or similar material) and designed to be placed in
strategic points around the truck bed. This would help reduce noise and
prevent the bed-liner from moving (vibrating) which can cause scratches
which lead to rust...
The spray-in's are great but are they worth the $$?

Nerf bar type steps or running boards? Chrome or black?
I'm back and forth on this one.

Down the road I plan to install a K&N filter and maybe a chip and maybe a
different exhaust and maybe other items I read about on this list.

Thanks to all the list-members for the great info found here. I'm an infant
(maybe toddler) as far owning a truck is concerned and can use all of the
help this list offers.

Thanks
Don in Nashville

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:37:25 -0700
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: FTE 97up - SIGNAL MIRROR FOR SUPER DUTY

Good news guys....Muth Mirror Systems just sent me an E-mail regarding
signal mirrors for the Super Duty trucks. I am including the note from them
so you may contact them if you are interested.

Signal Mirrors are now available for the

FORD SUPER DUTY

We at Muth Mirror Systems are happy to announce the eagerly anticipated
availability of a Signal Mirror retrofit kit for the following vehicles:

1998-2000 F-250/350 Ford Super Duty, Aero Style Mirrors

1998-2000 F-250/350 Ford Super Duty, Trailer Tow Style Mirrors

Each retrofit kit includes the left- and right-hand mirror glass
replacements, wiring and instructions. A few things to note: The Aero style
mirror utilizes flat glass in both the left and right hand mirrors (just as
they come from the factory). Also, when completing an installation on the
Trailer Tow style, only the large, upper flat glass is replaced. The lower,
small convex glass remains unchanged.

The retail cost of this exciting retrofit kit is only $199.00!

When placing an order, we accept MasterCard or Visa. Shipping and handling
is $10.00. Please call 1-800-844-6616 to speak with a Muth Mirror Systems
sales representative.

We recommend a professional installation done by one of our preferred
installers. Please email us your area and zip code, or call our 1-800 number
for an installer in your area!

If you have any further questions or comments, please call 1-800-844-6616.

Have a great day! We look forward to hearing from you soon!

Sincerely,



Katie Meznarich
Sales Specialist

Email: kmeznarich kwmuth.com

____________________________________________________________________________
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MUTH MIRROR SYSTEMS
4221 High Tech Lane, Sheboygan, WI 53083 Phone: 800-844-6616 Fax:
920-451-2001
Website: www.kwmuth.com Email: sales kwmuth.com


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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:31:18 -0500
From: "pennhead"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ford's Modular V-8 "not a Good Choice for Trucks"-Reply -Reply

Amen.

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