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In this issue:

FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?
Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?
FTE 97up - Re: Oil change
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal
Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?
RE: FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
FTE 97up - FTE T-shirts are ready!
FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
FTE 97up - first oil change
Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?
FTE 97up - Re: Re:First oil change
FTE 97up - Re: Re: Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:46:30 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?

It's my understanding that my rearseat on my Super Duty Crew Cab,
should lift up or fold foward? If it does, I can't figure it out?
Anyone know how? Where is the lever?
I can't seem to find it in my owners guide?
Thanks Gene

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:36:16 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

The 4R100 is not available in the F-150. I've been told the case is to
large. The lightning uses a special E4OD with some of the 4R100 parts in
it. Horsepower isn't an important factor in transmissions. Torque is what
causes the need for a bigger transmission. The E40D should more than handle
the power, and the 4R70w with some common sense should do fine, also. If
you want the E4OD you can get it with California emissions (I've also heard
that Flareside Supercabs might get the E40D).

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Heis
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny


>At 08:04 AM 1/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Nathan,
>
>My next questions, (1) Can you when you order a new 1999 F150 5.4 SC SB
>XLT order the 4R100 tranny? I eventually plan on upgrading the 5.4
>engine, after about 10,000 miles, to about 350 horsepower and 'think' the
>beefier tranny would be better with the increase in HP and torque. (2)
>What other items would have to be upgraded/changed with other components
>(axles, drivetrain, etc) to make this 4R100 happen? (3) Or is it a simple
>swap to 'special order' the 4R100? (4) What Ford trucks have the 4R100
>either as standard or available as an option. (5) What would you
>reccommend, is the 4R70w adequate OR should I opt for the stronger 4R100
>tranny?
>
>
>Thanks a million,
>
>Rick Heis
>
>>The F-150 with the 5.4L comes with the 4R70W (except with California
>>Emissions, then E4OD). The 4R100 is basically an E4OD on steroids. I
think
>>the case is slightly bigger and all the internal parts are stronger to
>>handle the extra torque of the Diesel this year. The E4OD is a stout
>>transmission and can handle lots of torque itself. The 4R70W is a good
>>transmission (haven't had to change any yet), but is different than the
>>E4OD. It is slightly smaller and seems to "eat" less power than the E4OD
>>making trucks with this tranny seem more responsive. It doesn't have the
>>ability to handle as much torque as the E40D but can still handle quite a
>>bit. The owner of the local transmission shop prefers this transmission
in
>>his truck due to snow plowing use. He says it can handle repeated
>>forward-reverse shifts better.
>>
>>Nathan Bernard
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:27:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

Just curious... what is the best way to squeeze 350 horses out of the
5.4?
- --
Douglas R. Floyd
"Cannot tell if this is true, or a dream." -- Die Krupps
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:22:34 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?

The SuperCab rear seat folds forward. I don't think the Crew Cab seat folds
forward. In the SuperCab, all you do is lift up on the rear of the bottom
seat, and pull a little strap to release the back of the seat for folding
down.



>It's my understanding that my rearseat on my Super Duty Crew Cab,
>should lift up or fold foward? If it does, I can't figure it out?
>Anyone know how? Where is the lever?
>I can't seem to find it in my owners guide?
>Thanks Gene
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:40:31 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?

In my SD F-350 Crew Cab, the rear seat folks forward, which is a good
thing, because the jack is stored behind it :) I forget where the level is
but I'll look later today.

-Dorn

On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 10:22:34AM -0500, Todd E. wrote:
> The SuperCab rear seat folds forward. I don't think the Crew Cab seat folds
> forward. In the SuperCab, all you do is lift up on the rear of the bottom
> seat, and pull a little strap to release the back of the seat for folding
> down.
>
>
>
> >It's my understanding that my rearseat on my Super Duty Crew Cab,
> >should lift up or fold foward? If it does, I can't figure it out?
> >Anyone know how? Where is the lever?
> >I can't seem to find it in my owners guide?
> >Thanks Gene
> >
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:48:23 -0600
From: "Dan Prescher"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Oil change

Rick, the owner's manual for my F-350 PSD recommends first oil change at
5,000 unless you're on a tough duty schedule such as off-roading, city
delivery or extreme dust, in which case the recommendation is 3,000.

>I ordered my F-250 SC SD PSD on September 2 and picked it up on Jan. 7.
>So far I have no complaints. When talking to my salesman the other day,
>he reminded me to bring it in at 5000 miles for my free first oil
>change. I said that would be my second or third change. He told me
>that Ford issued a bulletin saying that the oil shouldn't be changed
>before 5000 miles to allow everything to "seat". I've never run a new
>vehicle for more that 1500 miles before the first change.
>Has anyone else heard of this bulletin? When are you folks changing
>your oil for the first time? Any answers will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Rick Kane



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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:21:34 EST
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

While most of this is right, I *have* seen people ruin engines by using
synthetic oil too soon.
Synthetic oils (the 100% stuff, not the blends) is too slippery, and won't
allow the rings to seat properly. What happens then is, the engine will start
to smoke at about 20-30k miles, and this will be attributed to a "bad engine
from the factory; after all, the best oil was used." 100% synthetic shouldn't
be used for the first 6k miles, at least, to give the rings a chance to seat.
Bill

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From: dhmccla ibm.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

Alan,

I personally think its all BS and agree with Union Auto. Every service
department will tell you something different. That factory installed
oil is no different than any other major brand oil you can buy at any
major auto store.
I changed my first oil at 1700 miles (after 3 months) with 10w-30 Mobil
1 and specifically asked if there was a problem with using Mobil 1 and
the answer was absolutely no problem. Those days of a "break-in" oil
are long over. Never knew anyone to void a warranty or ruin an engine
changing the oil more often than recommended either.
You are on a good schedule now for oil changes, keep it up. Dave >>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:20:54 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.

That's great news Dick, glad to here you got your truck and it's a keeper!
Your right about Lariat's taking longer, I just checked with my dealer and
still no VIN number on mine (ordered Sept. 30th, '98).

Did you end up getting the ESOP or not? I been surprised by some recent
posts indicating that the ESOP failed at temps below zero.

On the limited-slip in two wheel drive, when the right rear drive wheel
began
to spin (or vice-a-versa), power transferred to the other wheel and kept the

truck going in the snow? If your get a chance to test it on ice, let me know

how it behaves.

Very good letter; you covered most of the issues on the minds of us still
waiting.
However, you didn't say if you got the elusive rubber gaskets on the bottom,
inside
edges of the doors, or only the holes? And don't forget to report your gas
mileage.

Thanks,

Charles.

Dick Dorff wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Our SD F250 CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto TTP Hitch (& Chrome Step Bumper,
> Privacy Glass, Deep Wedgewood Blue over Silver, Denim Int.) arrived at
> the dealer last Friday, Jan 8, 1999. Order was placed Oct. 27 and order
> was pulled Nov. 24, 1998, so that makes 10.5 weeks. Dealer said Lariats
> are still taking longer. Test drove it on Saturday, and paid for and
> took delivery on Monday. It's been parked there since until I can get
> the factory mud flaps installed (now "List"ing for $20/pr at the
> dealer), and perhaps do some undercoating. It's snowed or rained every
> day here in Mass since we've got it so I want to do any rust prevention
> stuff before it gets caked with salt and sand. Oh the pain; it looks
> so nice, and drives great, and wants to be driven.
>
> In case anyone's interested...
>
> Test drove it last Saturday and it seemed great; no vibrations at any
> speed (yet), accelerates and cruises down the highway like a dream, even
> at 80mph or so. The ride is slightly smoother than I remember from test
> drives. I suspect that might be the difference of the extra weight of
> the Crew Cab, hitch, and perhaps the front stablizer bar, while the test
> drives were of SuperCabs. Could entirely be imagination, or just being
> slightly more used to it by now though.
>
> Fortunately there some snow the night before the acceptance test drive.
> So I found an unplowed parking lot with 4-5" of snow still, and the
> limited slip 3.73 seems to have a marked affect in rear wheel-only
> traction. 4 wheel drive, well, what's there to say, even with the
> default General Grabber All Seasons (235/85) traction is great. I'm
> hoping they'll get us through the first Winter, and I'll then look for
> some Winter tires and rims, and keep the originals as 3-seasons.
> Braking seemed fine in the snow, using non-ABS braking methods, since it
> has the rear ABS only. Probably would prefer the 4WABS; maybe next
> time.
>
> Best of all, though not a complete surprise, it fits in the garage! If
> driveway approach was level, there'd be about 1-2" of height clearance
> in our 9x7'doors. Since driveway slopes up to the garage quite a bit,
> the entire crew cab roof is in the door before the back wheels get even
> close to garage level. Leaves about 6" of clearance at the closest.
> Yessssss! There's about 2' total clearance in length. Can just walk
> around both sides if the difference is split. Folded both TT mirrors in
> so width isn't a problem. Should be able to get away with just folding
> one in. With both out, truck width about exactly matches door opening
> width. That's actually one major reason I opted for the TT mirrors:
> the truck is skinnier with one TT mirror folded in than with both std.
> mirrors out. The TT mirrors fold in with surprisingly little effort,
> the bigges hassle is just lowering the window. A retracting/telescoping
> kit would be ideal.
>
> It looks awesome; though I'd have preferred the more distinguished
> truck look provided by the all Lt. Prarie Tan, the wife's choice of Dp
> W. Blue over Silver gives it a longer, less tall appearance. Has a bit
> of a 'b*rb*an look, though on steroids, more tastefully done, and a bed
> instead of the cover. The colors still look sharp though.
>
> More to come, though also not necessarily fascinating. Thanks for all
> the help everyone.
>
> Dick Dorff
> 99 F250 SD CC SB XLT V10 4x4 3.73ls TT Hitch Privacy.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:32:26 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

You can't order the E40D/4R100 on an F150; the 4R70W is the only
automatic offered.

Consider a '99 F250 Light Duty; it also has the new 5.4l, but has the
E40D, which internally is the same as the 4R100.

Dick Dorff
99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 3.73ls TT

> ------------------------------
> Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:24:12 -0500, from Rick Heis:
>
> Nathan,
>
> My next questions, (1) Can you when you order a new 1999 F150 5.4 SC
> SB XLT order the 4R100 tranny? I eventually plan on upgrading the
> 5.4 engine, after about 10,000 miles, to about 350 horsepower and
> 'think' thebeefier tranny would be better with the increase in HP and
> torque. (2) What other items would have to be upgraded/changed with
> other components (axles, drivetrain, etc) to make this 4R100 happen?
> (3) Or is it a simple swap to 'special order' the 4R100? (4) What
> Ford trucks have the 4R100 either as standard or available as an
> option. (5) What would you reccommend, is the 4R70w adequate OR should
> I opt for the stronger 4R100 tranny?
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:35:32 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal

A friend at work has a similar problem with his 98 Explorer and finally
the dealer diagnosed it as a seal in the front hubs, or something to
that effect (the technicals lost a little something on their way to my
ear). Dealer said Ford knows of the problem and is still searching for
a proper replacement seal. I think the FTE site maintains a "Small Ford
Trucks" email list (Rangers, Explorers etc). There might be some more
info in those archives, or available from some of those listmembers.

Dick Dorff.

> Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:05:51 EST, TSTorres aol.com asked:
>
> I live in the Chicago area, not a mechanic, and have a 98 Ford
> Explorer XLT. Since it has gotten cold, around 25-35 degrees, I'm
> hearing an occasional high pitched squeal in front driver side wheel
> area.


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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:48:03 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.

Hi Keith,

I can understand your desire to raise the front, and I suspect it'll
look quite sharp. For us, the only height mod we'll be doing would be
to lower the rear a bit to fit a fifth wheel trailer. I'll wait until
we purchase one to know exactly what the best height would be. Since
the truck fits in the garage, there's one less reason to lower the
back. Slightly improved access by the wife and kids to the cabin and
bed remain a bit of a reason. The height required by the trailer will
be the main factor (although they can be raised and lowered a bit too).
It was really neat to see ours tower what seemed close to a foot over my
brother's *b*rb*n when parked side by side this Sunday though .

I've done some 4WD already, but haven't noticed the whine yet. I was
sort of concentrating on everything, including just driving such a big
vehicle, so whether or not I noticed it has little bearing on whether or
not it's actually there. I expect some audible noise; the Bronco II
has some. Not a valid comparison I'm sure, so I'll keep a more accutely
tuned ear out next time.

Keep me or the list apprised of the K&N and exhaust mods. I'll probably
go those routes also. Most likely will do the K&N. I don't know if
I'll be able to bring myself to remove a perfectly good condition
section of exhaust though. Is the stock stainless? Is there hope of it
ever rusting out?

I live in Groton, work in Acton, drive through Sudbury every Sunday on
the way to church in Framingham, and grew up in Ashland.

- -Dick

- ------------------------------
Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:16:49 -0500, "Keith Veren":

...
> Everything about the truck so far is perfect, however,
> 1. I am planning to install the 3 inch lift kit from Tuff Country
> (www.tuffcountry.com) in the Front (new springs w/positive arch, new
> "U" bolts, etc.) to even it up a bit, and
> 2. I am going to have the dealer check out what I think is a tad
> excessive whine from the front differential when I am in 4-wheel drive
> (high or low) and I go into "coast" or "float" mode (taking your foot
> off the gas). That is the only issue I have with the truck as of
> today. Does anyone with a similar set-up notice this kind of a
> whine??

> Also, I will eventually want to install a K&N kit (when developed for
> the V-10), a Borla Cat-back exhaust (I installed one on my '98
> Expedition XLT / 4X4 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / etc.) because it is a vast
> improvement over stock.

> Keith

> PS, where in Mass are you?
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:46:25 EST
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny


automatic offered.

Consider a '99 F250 Light Duty; it also has the new 5.4l, but has the
E40D, which internally is the same as the 4R100.

Dick Dorff
99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 3.73ls TT >>

The E4OD comes on 150's with California emissions. The 4R100 is not completely
the same internally as the E4OD. It has stronger clutches and a different
torque converter.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:51:05 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

Dick,

Why don't you just order a F-250 or 350 SuperDuty with the 5.4L or the V-10.
It seems to me you want heavy-duty. That's what I did, and I love my F-350
4X4 SuperDuty V-10.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dick Dorff
To: 97up
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny


>You can't order the E40D/4R100 on an F150; the 4R70W is the only
>automatic offered.
>
>Consider a '99 F250 Light Duty; it also has the new 5.4l, but has the
>E40D, which internally is the same as the 4R100.
>
>Dick Dorff
>99 F250 SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 3.73ls TT
>
>> ------------------------------
>> Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:24:12 -0500, from Rick Heis:
>>
>> Nathan,
>>
>> My next questions, (1) Can you when you order a new 1999 F150 5.4 SC
>> SB XLT order the 4R100 tranny? I eventually plan on upgrading the
>> 5.4 engine, after about 10,000 miles, to about 350 horsepower and
>> 'think' thebeefier tranny would be better with the increase in HP and
>> torque. (2) What other items would have to be upgraded/changed with
>> other components (axles, drivetrain, etc) to make this 4R100 happen?
>> (3) Or is it a simple swap to 'special order' the 4R100? (4) What
>> Ford trucks have the 4R100 either as standard or available as an
>> option. (5) What would you reccommend, is the 4R70w adequate OR should
>> I opt for the stronger 4R100 tranny?
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:53:56 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

This goes 'round and 'round.

Some new cars, high performance ones like Audis and StingRays
come from the factory with synthetic oil in them.

This tends to fly in the face of the concept of synthetic oil
preventing the "seating" of the rings.

It's probably something that was true back in the 50s and 60s,
but isn't true with modern engines and modern metallurgy.

Later,
Alan

On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:21:34 EST, you wrote:

:While most of this is right, I *have* seen people ruin engines by using
:synthetic oil too soon.
:Synthetic oils (the 100% stuff, not the blends) is too slippery, and =
won't
:allow the rings to seat properly. What happens then is, the engine will =
start
:to smoke at about 20-30k miles, and this will be attributed to a "bad =
engine
:from the factory; after all, the best oil was used." 100% synthetic =
shouldn't
:be used for the first 6k miles, at least, to give the rings a chance to =
seat.
:Bill
:
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:
:
: From: dhmccla ibm.net
: Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
:=20
: Alan,
:=20
: I personally think its all BS and agree with Union Auto. Every service
: department will tell you something different. That factory installed
: oil is no different than any other major brand oil you can buy at any
: major auto store.
: I changed my first oil at 1700 miles (after 3 months) with 10w-30 =
Mobil
: 1 and specifically asked if there was a problem with using Mobil 1 and
: the answer was absolutely no problem. Those days of a "break-in" oil
: are long over. Never knew anyone to void a warranty or ruin an engine
: changing the oil more often than recommended either.
: You are on a good schedule now for oil changes, keep it up. Dave >>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:03:36 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?

Gene, the latch is located on both sides of the seat back about 6-8 inches
from the bottom. It is "NOT" very accessible. When you find it and tilt it
forward , you should find a handy little box to store some accessories in.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:14:44 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal

I also have a 98 Explorer and have experienced the squealing problem you are
talking about. When it is cold out, it will make the noise when you first
start moving, then will disappear in a minute or so.


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Dick Dorff [SMTP:ddorff nortelnetworks.com]
> Sent:Monday, January 18, 1999 11:36 AM
> To:97up
> Subject:FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal
>
> A friend at work has a similar problem with his 98 Explorer and finally
> the dealer diagnosed it as a seal in the front hubs, or something to
> that effect (the technicals lost a little something on their way to my
> ear). Dealer said Ford knows of the problem and is still searching for
> a proper replacement seal. I think the FTE site maintains a "Small Ford
> Trucks" email list (Rangers, Explorers etc). There might be some more
> info in those archives, or available from some of those listmembers.
>
> Dick Dorff.
>
> > Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:05:51 EST, TSTorres aol.com asked:
> >
> > I live in the Chicago area, not a mechanic, and have a 98 Ford
> > Explorer XLT. Since it has gotten cold, around 25-35 degrees, I'm
> > hearing an occasional high pitched squeal in front driver side wheel
> > area.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:50:48 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

The Corvette is started, run for 15 minutes at an idle, as the car gets
it wheels put on...Then the line drops it to the floor, and it is driven
into the Dyno....It then makes several full throttle runs....The ones
that "require adjustment" (or blow up) are moved aside.

Are the cylinders treated differently....Perhaps, do they use chrome
rings....All of these variables must be considered

But all metal things that slide along other metal things have
clearances, tolerances, and work best after some type of break in.

Frank



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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:13:34 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:50:48 PST, you wrote:

:The Corvette is started, run for 15 minutes at an idle, as the car gets=20
:it wheels put on...Then the line drops it to the floor, and it is driven=
=20
:into the Dyno....It then makes several full throttle runs....The ones=20
:that "require adjustment" (or blow up) are moved aside.
:
:Are the cylinders treated differently....Perhaps, do they use chrome=20
:rings....All of these variables must be considered
:
:But all metal things that slide along other metal things have=20
:clearances, tolerances, and work best after some type of break in.
:
:Frank
:
I have no doubt of that, Frank. Any new mechanical device with
close tolerances needs breaking-in. And I'm always careful with
a new car engine, for that reason.

What I doubt is that "regular" oil vs. "synthetic" oil has
anything to do with them "seating" properly.

Alan
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:52:43 -0500
From: Jody Villa
Subject: FTE 97up - non SOF?

Hi everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time. I have on order a 250SD PSD
CC SWB Lariat, this truck has been on order for 7 weeks. This I am told is
nothing, I'll have at least a 5-6 month wait for this truck. So off to the
internet I go truck shopping. I found a truck close to what I ordered
except it doesn't have shift-on-the-fly. Without SOF do you have to get out
of the truck to manually lock the hubs? Also, do you have to stop to go
from 2 wheel to 4 wheel?

Any info greatly appreciated, TIA


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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:02:40 -0500
From: Alan Schrager
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

Jody Villa wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time. I have on order a 250SD PSD
> CC SWB Lariat, this truck has been on order for 7 weeks. This I am told is
> nothing, I'll have at least a 5-6 month wait for this truck. So off to the
> internet I go truck shopping. I found a truck close to what I ordered
> except it doesn't have shift-on-the-fly. Without SOF do you have to get out
> of the truck to manually lock the hubs? Also, do you have to stop to go
> from 2 wheel to 4 wheel?
>
Jody,
Mine came in without SOF and man am I sorry I took it. It's a great
convienence.
Yes you do have to get out and turn the locks. And the center caps of
the wheels have nice little goofy holes in them to try to fit a big paw
like mine in.
No you don't have to stop to shift into 4 wheel high. But any you do to
go into low.

Alan
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:08:02 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

I can't answer your ? but you'll be happier if you wait for "your" truck

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:52:47 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

I asked the one of the service managers at my dealership about the new
transmissions a while ago, and this is what he told me...

The E4OD is no more...it was superceded by the 4R100 (basically, the
transmission numbering schemes have changed). The same thing with the 4R70W,
it was previously called the AOD-EW. FWIW, the "W" means wide-ratio, some of
the early AOD-E transmissions didn't have this gearset. The current 4R100
has 3 different cases and that may be why people still claim that the E4OD
comes on LD trucks. Two of the cases are for gas engines, one has the PTO
provision (this is probably what is being called the 4R100) and one doesn't
(this is what is still probably being called the E4OD). The 3rd case is for
the diesel. Dimensionally, the E4OD and 4R100 cases are the same size. So
the 4R100 fits in LD trucks. He told me that the easiest way to tell a E4OD
apart from a 4R100 was to look for the oil cooler bypass assembly on the
side of the transmission. If there is a tube connecting the oil cooler inlet
and outlet ports (sandwiched between the trans and the lines that go to the
actual cooler) then it is a 4R100. No bypass...it's an E4OD. You can see
this bypass line on the picture of the transmission on pg 27 of the current
F-series glossy (although I believe that the negative of this pic was
reversed).

I checked the trans on my dad's new 5.4L Expedition. It has the oil cooler
bypass and its owners manual claims that the 5.4L engines get the 4R100, so
I am assuming that is what that trans actually is. For comparison, I looked
under the '90 Bronco with a 5.8 and E4OD that he still has and the case of
the transmission pretty much looks the same externally, except it doesn't
have a cooler bypass and it's much dirtier ;-) Interestingly enough, that
owners manual still claims that the Expedition still has a 230hp 5.4L
engine. Wierd...

Since the Expy is a very close relitive to the 150/250LD, I'd assume that
the available transmissions on those trucks are the same (4R70W/4R100),
although I haven't seen the owners or service manuals for them so I can't be
certain. But that service manager said that the LD 5.4L trucks are getting
the 4R100 (I live in CA), and that the ordering code for that transmission
and the auto trans for the SD trucks are also the same, so I tend to believe
that he is correct.

Also, FWIW, I heard that the 4R70W was actually pretty strong. Baumann Eng.
has a writeup on it on their site and they claim that it is the 'Future of
Ford performance automatics'. This is probably the case only because the
E4OD/4R100 is too big to fit under a Mustang, but they gave info as to why
it is a stronger unit than the AOD. If I remember correctly, these included
bigger bands, better bearings, and larger servo pistons. Supposedly with
these upgrades, the 4R70W can absorb engines that put out a ton of power, so
it'd probably be OK behind the 5.4.

Rob



> The F-150 with the 5.4L comes with the 4R70W (except with California
> Emissions, then E4OD). The 4R100 is basically an E4OD on steroids. I think
> the case is slightly bigger and all the internal parts are stronger to
> handle the extra torque of the Diesel this year. The E4OD is a stout
> transmission and can handle lots of torque itself. The 4R70W is a good
> transmission (haven't had to change any yet), but is different than the
> E4OD. It is slightly smaller and seems to "eat" less power than the E4OD
> making trucks with this tranny seem more responsive. It doesn't have the
> ability to handle as much torque as the E40D but can still handle quite a
> bit. The owner of the local transmission shop prefers this transmission in
> his truck due to snow plowing use. He says it can handle repeated
> forward-reverse shifts better.
>
> Nathan Bernard

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:56:43 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

Rick,

If you want a 4R100, order the truck with CA emissions. Since the smog nazis
(called CARB) here in CA require the manufacturer to certify every engine,
transmission, and axle ratio seperately, they probably just chose to stick
with one transmission for the 5.4. I have also heard that the larger CA
catalysts have something to do with it, but haven't heard for certain the
actual reason...but I do know that overly big government is behind it :-(

rob

> At 08:04 AM 1/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
> Nathan,
>
> My next questions, (1) Can you when you order a new 1999 F150 5.4 SC SB
> XLT order the 4R100 tranny? I eventually plan on upgrading the 5.4
> engine, after about 10,000 miles, to about 350 horsepower and 'think' the
> beefier tranny would be better with the increase in HP and torque. (2)
> What other items would have to be upgraded/changed with other components
> (axles, drivetrain, etc) to make this 4R100 happen? (3) Or is it a simple
> swap to 'special order' the 4R100? (4) What Ford trucks have the 4R100
> either as standard or available as an option. (5) What would you
> reccommend, is the 4R70w adequate OR should I opt for the stronger 4R100
> tranny?
>
>
> Thanks a million,
>
> Rick Heis
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:41:03 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CrewCab rearseat?

Thank You Neil,
I found it !
I had looked about 3 times could not find
anything? I guess I didnt look very hard?
Like you said it is not very accessible!
Gene

Neil Plocek wrote:

> Gene, the latch is located on both sides of the seat back about 6-8 inches
> from the bottom. It is "NOT" very accessible. When you find it and tilt it
> forward , you should find a handy little box to store some accessories in.
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:17:26 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

I got the same "OMIGOD you want a V-10!!!, It Will Take 6 Months, Maybe You
Really Want The Nice 5.4L V-8" worry-wart remark from the dealer while I was
ordering my '99 F-350 SuperDuty / V-10 / 4X4 / SRW / SuperCab / XLT /
Longbed / Snowplow Package / Tow Package / Off-Road Package / all the other
goodies (i.e., shift-on-fly, remote locking, etc.). I ordered it September
26, 1998. Got it December 10, 1998! Only 10 weeks! Nobody knows when
these damn things get built, so wait for your order and , hopefully, be
pleasantly suprised. But call the dealer every week on Wednesday afternoon
to check on the status update (my dealer's ordering computers were updated
every Wednesday; however, this may differ among dealers, maybe Nathan can
add to this). Once your truck is "bumped" for build, you can get the VIN#
and an "expected delivery date". By the way, my dealer told me that they
were asked by Ford to "push" the 5.4L because so many wanted the V-10!


Keith




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From: Jody Villa
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 6:48 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - non SOF?


>Hi everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time. I have on order a 250SD PSD
>CC SWB Lariat, this truck has been on order for 7 weeks. This I am told is
>nothing, I'll have at least a 5-6 month wait for this truck. So off to the
>internet I go truck shopping. I found a truck close to what I ordered
>except it doesn't have shift-on-the-fly. Without SOF do you have to get out
>of the truck to manually lock the hubs? Also, do you have to stop to go
>from 2 wheel to 4 wheel?
>
>Any info greatly appreciated, TIA
>
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:21:16 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

You can shift on the fly with the manual shift 4x4 so long as you aren't
shifting into 4Lo, of course you can't shift into 4LO with the ESOF either.
I have the manual, and was thinking that not getting the ESOF was a
mistake, but I am now thoroughly convinced that the manual system is much
better. If the weather is bad, or if bad weather is expected, you can lock
the hubs manually before you go wherever you are going. You don't have to
engage the 4 wheel drive until you need it.

The reason I think this is superior to the ESOF, is that you are ensured
that the vehicle's hubs are locked, and it is a much more reliable system
than the ESOF. The manual gives me a much more secure feeling. The manual
system also reduces the number of components that can fail.

I currently drive around this time of year with the hubs locked, unless I'm
doing a lot of highway driving. That way I have 4x4 just a quick shift
away.


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From: Jody Villa
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 6:48 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - non SOF?


>Hi everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time. I have on order a 250SD PSD
>CC SWB Lariat, this truck has been on order for 7 weeks. This I am told is
>nothing, I'll have at least a 5-6 month wait for this truck. So off to the
>internet I go truck shopping. I found a truck close to what I ordered
>except it doesn't have shift-on-the-fly. Without SOF do you have to get out
>of the truck to manually lock the hubs? Also, do you have to stop to go
>from 2 wheel to 4 wheel?
>
>Any info greatly appreciated, TIA
>
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:49:40 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

I have the ESOF, and find that I feel very secure in it's function,
especially since I too can lock the hubs manually (the hub turns from
"automatic" to "manual") if need be.

Keith


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From: Todd E.
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?


>You can shift on the fly with the manual shift 4x4 so long as you aren't
>shifting into 4Lo, of course you can't shift into 4LO with the ESOF either.
>I have the manual, and was thinking that not getting the ESOF was a
>mistake, but I am now thoroughly convinced that the manual system is much
>better. If the weather is bad, or if bad weather is expected, you can lock
>the hubs manually before you go wherever you are going. You don't have to
>engage the 4 wheel drive until you need it.
>
>The reason I think this is superior to the ESOF, is that you are ensured
>that the vehicle's hubs are locked, and it is a much more reliable system
>than the ESOF. The manual gives me a much more secure feeling. The manual
>system also reduces the number of components that can fail.
>
>I currently drive around this time of year with the hubs locked, unless I'm
>doing a lot of highway driving. That way I have 4x4 just a quick shift
>away.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jody Villa
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 6:48 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - non SOF?
>
>
>>Hi everyone, I'm de-lurking for the first time. I have on order a 250SD
PSD
>>CC SWB Lariat, this truck has been on order for 7 weeks. This I am told is
>>nothing, I'll have at least a 5-6 month wait for this truck. So off to the
>>internet I go truck shopping. I found a truck close to what I ordered
>>except it doesn't have shift-on-the-fly. Without SOF do you have to get
out
>>of the truck to manually lock the hubs? Also, do you have to stop to go
>>from 2 wheel to 4 wheel?
>>
>>Any info greatly appreciated, TIA
>>
>>
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>>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:59:29 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

Todd E.,
Just out of curiosity, what kind of mpg do you get with the hubs in vs. out?
Do you have a v-10, 5.4, or powerstroke?



>You can shift on the fly with the manual shift 4x4 so long as you aren't
>shifting into 4Lo, of course you can't shift into 4LO with the ESOF either.
>I have the manual, and was thinking that not getting the ESOF was a
>mistake, but I am now thoroughly convinced that the manual system is much
>better. If the weather is bad, or if bad weather is expected, you can lock
>the hubs manually before you go wherever you are going. You don't have to
>engage the 4 wheel drive until you need it.
>
>The reason I think this is superior to the ESOF, is that you are ensured
>that the vehicle's hubs are locked, and it is a much more reliable system
>than the ESOF. The manual gives me a much more secure feeling. The manual
>system also reduces the number of components that can fail.
>
>I currently drive around this time of year with the hubs locked, unless I'm
>doing a lot of highway driving. That way I have 4x4 just a quick shift
>away.
>


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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:06:03 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

>I have the ESOF, and find that I feel very secure in it's function,
>especially since I too can lock the hubs manually (the hub turns from
>"automatic" to "manual") if need be.
>
>Keith
>
>I agree with you Keith, but my ESOF is kind of unreliable in the
cold...seems like it takes forever to kick in....if it is cold enough,
sometimes it doesn't kick in at all. At those times, I have to stop, get
out and manually lock the hubs...then it goes into 4x4....kind of defeats
the purpose in some instances.

- -Brandt

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:29:54 -0500
From: "tc73"
Subject: FTE 97up - first oil change

My dealer changed my oil at 2400mi due to lack of oil in engine. after that
every 3,000mi

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:59:49 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?

It should not be like that. I would take it in. Could be a vacuum leak or
something. Also, according to the manual, it may take up to 45 seconds to
kick in, especially if you are going too fast (over 50 or 60) and/or you are
spinning one wheel (or using the limited-slip function in the rear axle, if
you have a LS rear) at the time you select 4x4 high.


Keith


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From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - non SOF?


>
>
>>I have the ESOF, and find that I feel very secure in it's function,
>>especially since I too can lock the hubs manually (the hub turns from
>>"automatic" to "manual") if need be.
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>I agree with you Keith, but my ESOF is kind of unreliable in the
>cold...seems like it takes forever to kick in....if it is cold enough,
>sometimes it doesn't kick in at all. At those times, I have to stop, get
>out and manually lock the hubs...then it goes into 4x4....kind of defeats
>the purpose in some instances.
>
>-Brandt
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:57:28 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re:First oil change

>Amen, Alan:
>I have been changing my new vehicle's oil after the first 500 miles or so
to
>Mobil-1 synthetic and I was doing this even before it was "fashionable"
>(back in '87). Even went so far as to change gear oil, differential fluid

While I completely agree that the idea of not changing the oil for 5000
miles is ludicrous (the dealer just wants you back in at a time at which
other service might also be added to the bill for the "free" service), I
hesitate to agree with the use of synthetic before 10,000 miles.

While tolerances in today's engines are better than they every used to be
and break-in oil is a thing of the past, I believe there are still some
"break-in" issues with the engine, computer, brakes, etc... . In the case
of the engine, most of you may recall that Ford and other manufacturers
encourage you to vary speeds often during the first 500 miles or so. Is it
not correct that this is because you are forming a wear pattern in the
pistons and cylinder walls? If you do not follow these guidelines, for
instance by driving at highway speeds only for the first 500 miles, won't
the engine form a "preferred" spot, a problem often reported by drivers as
"this car just wants to go at its own speed, no matter what I do"? So, we
vary speeds to make sure we get an even wear pattern (and, of course, to
help the computer learn). As many on this NG have already noted, the
break-in really doesn't end until mpg's and performance stop rising, which
often seems to be 10,000 miles or so.

If all of the above is correct, the use of synthetic oils early in the game....


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